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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- Crazy episode again. The demon invading the school in the following,  is one mother fucker that is strong and insane. Not only is it big but powerful too. On the other hand the scenery is rather really well done in the spoiler Other than that, Gekkou earned my love with the following,  That Himea sword pointing and almost killing her! While I did like Andou here being a teaser. Of course her panties service in the spoiler I loved Gekkou’s faces in the following spoiler In regards to Himea in the following points
Other elements that were a great success to make a nice impact in various areas IMO.
Let me put this straight as of this episode, I hate Himea x Taito, I hope that Haruka finds out about the kiss and kills Himea out of pure jealousy and I just hope Himea suffers more with stuff like what Gekkou did to her in this episode with his sword. On the other hand I can guarantee you 100% that Haruka is with high class God level entities because at the end of last episode she was in a galactic space where the nebula shown are God forms speaking, well that is IMO. So yeah Haruka, Gekkou/Andou and the action/elements keep it rolling for me will RAGE gets fueled up with Himea x Taito, although this episode it was more rolling eyes around since too much Himea x Taito not enough Gekkou x Andou. Although there was some that explained stuff. About thee ED, very simple to see. Himea wears a string that is blue in the following spoiler |
Yumekichi11Aug 5, 2011 8:13 PM
| Once again, some more crazy shit going on this episode. By the end, it seems there's some sort of resolve, but the end shows Haruka meeting Kurenai. |
Elite60Aug 5, 2011 5:17 PM
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| You are so cruel sometimes Yumekichi and evil. ^_^ Well Himea is weak person, I guess only a bit sadness made her otherself awake. Haruka don't know anything, maybe she is godness, witch or something. Ramiel Lilith? Who can that be? I believe that is Haruka. |
BlackbirdAug 5, 2011 4:31 PM
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Blackbird said: No, I am just doing a IMO, anyone can bitch at my tastes but remember one notion because of Himea Taito will never be human and thus his humanity was robbed from him whether Himea did it for her reasons or Taito's happiness got fulfilled.You are so cruel sometimes Yumekichi and evil. ^_^ Blackbird said: Oh silly you, you should know it a direct reference to her:Ramiel Lilith? Who can that be? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lillith I only take the notion that she was the first women but a failure and cast away. Thus I would not be surprised it being Himea that being cursed and all. |
| Gekkou has got to be one of the most infuriating character I've ever seen. At the very least, this show has finally decided to go somewhere interesting. |
| I'm waiting for Gekkou to bite someone to death. |
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| It's starting to really get into the story it seems. Next few episodes should be awesome. |
| As a proud lover of fanservice (who also didn't read the LN) I rather enjoyed Himea showing off a ton of skin this episode ;) I do find I have a generally more positive view of her after this episode, wonder why ;) Tho I'm personally a bigger fan of Haruka x Taito than Himea x Taito, if the former was going to be the dominant pairing we wouldn't have a show to begin with. Or it'd be a boring slice-of-life school romance rather than a gorgeously animated supernatural romance with naked snow-cone-hair witches with more personalities than a crazed ex-Spirit Detective. Honestly, the animation is probably the most gorgeous I've seen this season. So bright, colorful and magical. The fact that there's plenty of fanservicey female flesh receiving the same treatment doesn't hurt matters at all, of course. I'm sure fangirls love Gekkou, he's so very bishie even if he just drips Sasuke vibes. The Seraphim looked badass as hell, and I did notice that it took pains to point out to Gekkou that it was talking about "Ramiel Lilith", not Himea. If I had to guess, the golden-eyed being possessing Haruka is the true endboss, and is none other than Lilith herself. Which makes me kinda sad, since the series could end with Himea killing Haruka after she turns into a monster. I hope that's not how it turns out tho. :/ 5/5 |
| Don't know if anyone would agree but Himea not knowing about Ramiel Lilith seemed like a badly acted feign of ignorance. Didn't like the episode regardless. Seems to be slipping and it wasn't very good to begin with. As if being taken over by ba'alskra and the cringe worthy battle that followed wasn't enough. Himea goes and immediately gets taken over again and by a spell this time? Give me a break. |
| Too much Taito and Himea namecalling. As much as I like nude Himea, I just cant be bothered with this anymore. Even the post ED song part cant compel me to continue when the next episode title is about extracurricular activities. Dropped. |
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| Not a bad episode. But I am tired of unexplained monsters and magic spells like the Rapture, Seraphim and Ramael Lilith. Was the Rapture a special magic spell created by Himea to chase away her loneliness? And who is Lilith? The ecchi scenes and the kiss between Himea and Taito weren't bad. And Haruka is an annoying and boring bitch who cares only about stupid stuff like foods. I hope she will disappear soon. |
gilas said: I posted a link to her from wiki above and in this anime it remains to be seen but being branded a world destroyer makes senses because mythological Lilith wanted to destroy the world that casted her away due to her malfunction in being the first woman to be taken as a prototype to duplicate. Instead Eve succeed her.And who is Lilith? So it goes in the sense of "The world cast me away therefore I shall get rid of it." sense. |
| This show feels like it's trying to make a fairly simple plot more convoluted than it needs to be. It's not that I don't get what's going on, it's just I think I don't. Does that make sense? Also, dear lord, Haruka. While I suppose her scenes are supposed to make us feel sympathy/pity for her (which I do), at the same time they seem unnecessarily cruel when the remaining 15-20 minutes of the episode are a freakin' steamroller for Himea x Taito. Fuck it, I'm shipping her with Hinata o_O |
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LightningRamiel said: Also, dear lord, Haruka. While I suppose her scenes are supposed to make us feel sympathy/pity for her (which I do), at the same time they seem unnecessarily cruel when the remaining 15-20 minutes of the episode are a freakin' steamroller for Himea x Taito. Fuck it, I'm shipping her with Hinata o_O LMAO! Now that'd be a pairing, wouldn't it? The two girls both ditch Taito and go on to set up a magic yuri field between all the random things possessing Himea and the Seraphim/Lilith in Haruka. Maybe Taito can go be Gekkou and Andou's playtoy in that pairing universe. :P In all seriousness I do agree about it seeming just cruel to do to Haruka when she tries so hard but the rest of the show just constantly rams home the primary pairing. I'm sure all that angst is going to come out in a big way when whatever's inside of her, whether working for or against the Seraphim, decides to show its face ... |
Yumekichi11 said: gilas said: I posted a link to her from wiki above and in this anime it remains to be seen but being branded a world destroyer makes senses because mythological Lilith wanted to destroy the world that casted her away due to her malfunction in being the first woman to be taken as a prototype to duplicate. Instead Eve succeed her.And who is Lilith? So it goes in the sense of "The world cast me away therefore I shall get rid of it." sense. Only if you follow one particular interpretation of Lilith and her role. There are others (just read down the wikipedia article a bit and you'll find them). I think in the context of this show there seems to be an obvious syncretism between Lilith and Dark Mother Kali (more commonly known as the Destroyer than Lillith). And it wasn't the world that cast Lillith away--just one particularly misogynistic deity. In any case, Himea doesn't seem to fill the role of Destroyer since her goal is to remain with Taito forever (including possibly surving the end of this universe). Haruka on the other hand would seem to be a better choice as a vessel for Ramiel/Lillith (and we should also give equal time to the Ramiel half of the entity as there is also considerable mythology around that fallen angel). Also interesting in this episode was Taito passing on the sexual invitation from the Rapture persona/spell, and holding firm until he can reclaim the real Himea. The eventual kiss cements a deeper relationship between the two in my mind (and not having read the LN I might be way off base). |
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Blind_Guardian said: LightningRamiel said: Also, dear lord, Haruka. While I suppose her scenes are supposed to make us feel sympathy/pity for her (which I do), at the same time they seem unnecessarily cruel when the remaining 15-20 minutes of the episode are a freakin' steamroller for Himea x Taito. Fuck it, I'm shipping her with Hinata o_O LMAO! Now that'd be a pairing, wouldn't it? The two girls both ditch Taito and go on to set up a magic yuri field between all the random things possessing Himea and the Seraphim/Lilith in Haruka. Maybe Taito can go be Gekkou and Andou's playtoy in that pairing universe. :P In all seriousness I do agree about it seeming just cruel to do to Haruka when she tries so hard but the rest of the show just constantly rams home the primary pairing. I'm sure all that angst is going to come out in a big way when whatever's inside of her, whether working for or against the Seraphim, decides to show its face ... I said Hinata, not Himea. Which is arguably more cracked out ;) |
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| Well, again they've cut-- Right, no more comparing with the LN. No actually... not comparing this would make my Himea look looser than she's supposed to look. I mean, there was no reason for her to get naked, was there, Zexcs? Just because you lost some money by not having fanservice everywhar in LOLHeroes doesn't necessarily mean you have to fill this to the brim, does it? Cutting plot and adding mindless fanserice? Not cool, Zexcs. Not cool. Like, seriously, what? I hardly know what I'm even watching right now. Ahem, on another note, I liked Haruka's long-haired friend. Just sayin'. And why do they have to keep changing the ED? D: Well, this one wasn't horrible, but it's not nearly as good as Shikata Akiko. |
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rodac said: Exactly but Dark Mother Kali, I am not familiar at all. TBH like I mentioned, I only follow certain aspects of truth in regards to Lilith rest are either fiction to me or plain BS that I don't believe in.Yumekichi11 said: Only if you follow one particular interpretation of Lilith and her role. There are others (just read down the wikipedia article a bit and you'll find them). I think in the context of this show there seems to be an obvious syncretism between Lilith and Dark Mother Kali (more commonly known as the Destroyer than Lillith). And it wasn't the world that cast Lilith away--just one particularly misogynistic deity.gilas said: I posted a link to her from wiki above and in this anime it remains to be seen but being branded a world destroyer makes senses because mythological Lilith wanted to destroy the world that casted her away due to her malfunction in being the first woman to be taken as a prototype to duplicate. Instead Eve succeed her.And who is Lilith? So it goes in the sense of "The world cast me away therefore I shall get rid of it." sense. rodac said: According to the following:In any case, Himea doesn't seem to fill the role of Destroyer since her goal is to remain with Taito forever (including possibly surving the end of this universe). Haruka on the other hand would seem to be a better choice as a vessel for Ramiel/Lillith (and we should also give equal time to the Ramiel half of the entity as there is also considerable mythology around that fallen angel). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramiel I don't see why would Ramiel be with Lilith or even melded with Lilith. An Archangel considered as Uriel to be with Lilith is total BS inventing if ever. However I would love if Ramiel does put up a fight with Lilith whom Himea may be corruptible enough for her to take over Himea just like that Balhskra dude did. Ramiel would be totally interesting to see in fight with a vessel like Haruka, although I would have chosen a male version instead due to the nature of Ramiel's story, oh well. rodac said: Just proves that he sees her not in a sexual way but in a loving way.Also interesting in this episode was Taito passing on the sexual invitation from the Rapture persona/spell, and holding firm until he can reclaim the real Himea. |
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| I have no idea what's happened in this episode. This was one of the most confusing episodes from an anime I've watched in a while. Also the pacing feels too rushed for me. The only good thing in this episode was the kiss between Himea and Taito. Also, the changed the ED...again. -_-. Why can't they stick with the same ED? I dunno if I should look forward to the next episode or not. |
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HawthorneKitty said: Her bite isn't necessary as her presence alone can do so.I'm waiting for Gekkou to bite someone to death. Ah so love saves the day again huh? >.> And can't Himea just die by choking on her own hair? Being that lame of a victim of solitude and shit like that is annoying. And Taito's affection towards her are clearly not romantic-- at least, until now for sure. Suck-y show with pathetic female characters and lame guys, well except the one voiced by FukuJun. |
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| this still makes no sense. what the hell was Bahlskra? who is Lilith? I've seen no reason for him and Himea to be so attached.... so far she's kinda annoying. what the hell is a Tenma? at least Hinata is back. |
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| who has time to read through that wall of text.... i feel the need to read the manga.... |
| This show could be so good but it like just manage to fail everywhere. |
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kisami said: Even the manga is not moving forwards that much but the LN is your best bet.who has time to read through that wall of text.... I feel the need to read the manga.... DaiTomodachi said: Because it was a tribute to Taito x Himea kiss.Also, the changed the ED...again. -_-. Why can't they stick with the same ED? |
| Ummm.. WTH is going on? |
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| No offense to Haruka, but I'm completely a Taito and Himea fan, and she really doesn't stand a chance. Like most, I'm also thinking that she might be Remiel Lilith. And Taito hiding that bento from Himea...I hope he knows who he's in love with instead of coming up with the lame excuse that he's confused. |
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| well considering haruka "was broken by solitude" i guess my best bet's with the majority saying haruka = ramiel lilith i really hope taito's gonna be firm with himea (taitoxhimea ftw) and not go all in denial in front of his classmates >_>; poor haruka but meh her chance slipped away the moment taito remembered himea gekkou = pro as always tsundere but pro lulz looks like another hibari appeared :3 |
| It seems this series couldn't help but go down the generic path IMO... - Average, mellow male and typical personality type for a tsundere victum gets close to a girl who makes threats - typical - The girl's a suppernatural, unlike her love interest; she threatens to kill on a whim and we're suppose to assume she can - not typical - The girl, dispite coming across as 'strong' becomes a moe, just as her man becomes her knight in shining armor - typical - Sweet girl* (opinion) admiring him from a far, yet not being bold enough to open her gob - typical - The nice guy's rival is a moody bishounen who has a fangirl-esque female at his side - typical Storytelling or marketing? I'll stick to this and hope for a plot some time soon; I had high hopes down to all the hype. |
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larethian said: Queen_Stars said: It seems this series couldn't help but go down the generic path IMO... - Average, mellow male and typical personality type for a tsundere victum gets close to a girl who makes threats - typical - The girl's a suppernatural, unlike her love interest; she threatens to kill on a whim and we're suppose to assume she can - not typical - The girl, dispite coming across as 'strong' becomes a moe, just as her man becomes her knight in shining armor - typical - Sweet girl* (opinion) admiring him from a far, yet not being bold enough to open her gob - typical - The nice guy's rival is a moody bishounen who has a fangirl-esque female at his side - typical Storytelling or marketing? I'll stick to this and hope for a plot some time soon; I had high hopes down to all the hype. eh? you're talking about plot or character archetypes; I'm confused? seems to me you are talking more about character types than plot (why not tell me a character archetype which is totally new? the way you categorize it hmm, seems like all shows are like that though, or is there a show which has a totally new character archetype recently??) well, nevermind that, even though they probably will skip the Entolio brothers arc (so that Gekkou gets them for free), get ready for mass insanity from episode 7 onwards, ie. if they do the plot parts right for volume 5 and 6. though I'm getting another insane twist in volume 8. XD If you're confused, just ask? I was infact highlighting character 'types' and plot. Plus, less the passive aggression when conversing directly with others... If a plot is coming, great, that's what I hoped for (and stated), as plot, IMO is most importiant and can over-ride cliche character traits and cliche situations; examples of which are what I listed. I'm interested in interesting characters and stated nothing about wanting 'original' characters, yet the set-up's listed are well used and take up a lot of time in this anime which has yet to kick off, therefore, it does seem as though the writer (whoever's in charage) is riding heavily on what's commonly popular. |
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| This is getting intense, this anime gets better every time imo. I think I understand what's going on here, so no confusion for me. I am guessing Ramiel is either Himea or Haruka, can't wait to find out. Ahh, as every episode goes by I end up loving Himea even more. I ain't sure that Taito has decided who he really loves yet, seems like there is still confusion there. He better pick Himea over Haruka >.>. |
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wheresthehandle said: Whoops, forgot to turn my brain back on. This show makes no sense, and i can tell there is a lot of stuff being packed into these episodes... This is an issue. The storytelling sucks because they are trying to tell it too fast - in the end the last two episodes were flashes between saying 'i love you' and explaining random crap that doesn't make sense. Seraphim? Split personality? Rapture spell? It is pretty weird that a show in this sense has so much plot it causes an issue, it is usually the other way around. Praying i don't have to drop this soon. Not enjoying it atm. |
helur said: wheresthehandle said: Whoops, forgot to turn my brain back on. This show makes no sense, and i can tell there is a lot of stuff being packed into these episodes... This is an issue. The storytelling sucks because they are trying to tell it too fast - in the end the last two episodes were flashes between saying 'i love you' and explaining random crap that doesn't make sense. Seraphim? Split personality? Rapture spell? It is pretty weird that a show in this sense has so much plot it causes an issue, it is usually the other way around. Praying i don't have to drop this soon. Not enjoying it atm. Exactly. I won't drop this since I'm halfway through, but the storytelling is pretty bad. This could have been a good love story or a good action story, but through 5 episodes it's neither. |
wheresthehandle said: Whoops, forgot to turn my brain back on. helur said: This show makes no sense, and i can tell there is a lot of stuff being packed into these episodes... This is an issue. The storytelling sucks because they are trying to tell it too fast - in the end the last two episodes were flashes between saying 'i love you' and explaining random crap that doesn't make sense. Seraphim? Split personality? Rapture spell? It is pretty weird that a show in this sense has so much plot it causes an issue, it is usually the other way around. Praying i don't have to drop this soon. Not enjoying it atm. Adam_R said: Exactly. I won't drop this since I'm halfway through, but the storytelling is pretty bad. This could have been a good love story or a good action story, but through 5 episodes it's neither. This is terrible storytelling. But I don't think it's merely because they're in a hurry. Nor is there too much plot. However, there is an incoherent plot. And there is a lot of waste that could have actually been used to drive the plot. The interminable scene with the red tentacles last episode is an example of this waste. All of the characters feel compelled to speak arrogantly at all times. Everyone is humourless. Everyone is seriously serious. The show's creators feel compelled to beat every bit to death. Somehow, this episode took it to a new level. It isn't enough that Taito is constantly killed six times. It seems he can only die six times. But this episode, he got to die 12 times. Brilliant! It's incredible what waiting fifteen minutes can do to develop a story. Will he die 18 times next episode? The possibilities are nearly endless. I don't know if I'll drop it or not. I found it very hard to watch episode one completely. Then I found the same with episode three. So I gave up for a while. Having forgotten everything, I started again from the beginning. And now my impression is that they're trying to create a new 11eyes and failing badly. |
| Again, for me it's not that the series doesn't make much sense. The concepts of magic, tenma and witch is quite cliche and easy to get. The main problem is that the characters are quite annoying (no likeable character...). There is no substantial personality and the pacing is all over the place. |
bla bla bla The endless debate between fans and haters. At one point, after spending a lot of time on MAL, you just realize it's totally pointless.Niko-kun said: On MAL, everyone who has used the lame rating system becomes a critic and an intellectual by default, haven't you heard? |
Mockman said: wheresthehandle said: Whoops, forgot to turn my brain back on. helur said: This show makes no sense, and i can tell there is a lot of stuff being packed into these episodes... This is an issue. The storytelling sucks because they are trying to tell it too fast - in the end the last two episodes were flashes between saying 'i love you' and explaining random crap that doesn't make sense. Seraphim? Split personality? Rapture spell? It is pretty weird that a show in this sense has so much plot it causes an issue, it is usually the other way around. Praying i don't have to drop this soon. Not enjoying it atm. Adam_R said: Exactly. I won't drop this since I'm halfway through, but the storytelling is pretty bad. This could have been a good love story or a good action story, but through 5 episodes it's neither. This is terrible storytelling. But I don't think it's merely because they're in a hurry. Nor is there too much plot. However, there is an incoherent plot. And there is a lot of waste that could have actually been used to drive the plot. The interminable scene with the red tentacles last episode is an example of this waste. All of the characters feel compelled to speak arrogantly at all times. Everyone is humourless. Everyone is seriously serious. The show's creators feel compelled to beat every bit to death. Somehow, this episode took it to a new level. It isn't enough that Taito is constantly killed six times. It seems he can only die six times. But this episode, he got to die 12 times. Brilliant! It's incredible what waiting fifteen minutes can do to develop a story. Will he die 18 times next episode? The possibilities are nearly endless. I don't know if I'll drop it or not. I found it very hard to watch episode one completely. Then I found the same with episode three. So I gave up for a while. Having forgotten everything, I started again from the beginning. And now my impression is that they're trying to create a new 11eyes and failing badly. Hahaha, when I saw this episode, first I thought was; 11eyes.. |
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| The students of their school are in for another long vacation. Anyway, a lot of crazy things just happened, and for a moment there I thought Gekkou had abandoned his slaves allies to gain more power. That would've been so cliche, but I'm glad he didn't. Haruka is definitely hiding something very important, so much that Hinata appeared because he needs her for that something. |
Sanguis said: Gekkou has got to be one of the most infuriating character I've ever seen. At the very least, this show has finally decided to go somewhere interesting. Man, you aren't wrong, everytime that guy opens his mouth, I just start begging to see a sword randomly impale him, the only character I've ever seen in an anime that I disliked more than him (bad guys included) was that lead character from Gantz, Kurono Kei It's obvious that he seems to be such an integral part of the story, so I doubt we're going to be losing him anytime soon, but a guy can dream, eh? |
| Great episode the way Himea's character changed so drastically was just great especially at the near ending it was really epic! That upper being in that other dimension seemed quite sick! Lets see what's next, that ending sure was beautiful! |
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| welll there is more than meets the eye... we may learn more |
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