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Jun 29, 2011 4:23 AM

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Best. Love how Kurisu was so worried about Okabe. Okabe x Kurisu forever!
And the part-time warrior was so amazing! Beat down 5 armed man with just bare hands... Too awesome for words.

Was also pretty pissed off with the little girl who pushed Mayuri down the tracks although it was supposed to happen. Oh well. Really hopes that Mayuri gets revived :(
 
Jun 29, 2011 4:32 AM

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Dammit Mayuri! My heart! T_T

Jacut said:
Someone needs to use the D-Mail in order to save Mayushii (on the down side, that could make the Shinkansen black - I'm joking but the scene with the mother and her child is clearly here as a future indicator of whether or not the time lines have been changed or not -).


This exactly. After a few more tries he'll see that he can't change it by time leap and he has to change something way back in the past to change Mayuri's fate.

And also, what will happen if Okabe doesn't have the opportunity to get back to the time leap machine? Damn this series is killing me. It's awesome.
 
Jun 29, 2011 5:32 AM

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Onyxthegreat said:
Dammit Mayuri! My heart! T_T

Jacut said:
Someone needs to use the D-Mail in order to save Mayushii (on the down side, that could make the Shinkansen black - I'm joking but the scene with the mother and her child is clearly here as a future indicator of whether or not the time lines have been changed or not -).


This exactly. After a few more tries he'll see that he can't change it by time leap and he has to change something way back in the past to change Mayuri's fate.

And also, what will happen if Okabe doesn't have the opportunity to get back to the time leap machine? Damn this series is killing me. It's awesome.


Except that D-mail usage can lead to bad things.


You send yourself a message to order vegetables instead of meet in the cafe and suddenly this leads to dinosaur alien invasion through some crazy probability. Chaos theory is a tricky thing. :)

Personally participating in the change allows a more finesse to the situation and ensures that his attemps are more forceful.

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You can't just "change" theory behind the time-trave you usel, just because of different kind of info being sent. Its against the reality that is known as science.
Even the original theories are science fiction. They're just hypothetical situations with essentially zero evidence since nobody has a time machine to test it out, and most scientists agree that traveling into the past is likely impossible because of math and physics implications. Obviously there are plenty of liberties taken in S;G.... in assuming memory transfer is possible for example, and all the hand waving of the compression feedback loop thing... and that's just this episode. Don't think too hard about it lol.


yeah. Memory compression stuff bugged me heavily too, but that could be understandable on the plot purposes as well as the possibility of using black hole to compress data.

So far the show has been REALLY consistent in the time travel theories it uses. The time-travel theory change is entirely unneeded and reasonless and stupid. Not to mention that it directly breaks the logic behind what was fairly grounded show.
 
Jun 29, 2011 5:39 AM

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Suzuha was badass in the beginning of the episode.

Ahhh, I laughed when Mayuri was hit by the car.
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Jun 29, 2011 6:32 AM

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Okabe x Kurisu

agreed those two are much better the Obabe x Mayuri.
a thought if Kurisu died before his first jump doesn't that make Kurisu death fate as well. so Kurisu and Mayuri deaths at this point are fate. Okabe is going to have to jump further back in order to save everyone and prevent fate.
 
Jun 29, 2011 6:43 AM

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I was thinking about this after I rewatched this episode.... Why are they so keen on killing off Mayuri? They say she's not "needed" but what about the other lab members, Ruka & Rumiho? They know about the time machine aswell, or will they be killed off later too?
 
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RealScreamer said:
I was thinking about this after I rewatched this episode.... Why are they so keen on killing off Mayuri? They say she's not "needed" but what about the other lab members, Ruka & Rumiho? They know about the time machine aswell, or will they be killed off later too?


You can assume that they will be wanted and killed if captured. They weren't in the lab at the time it happened so you wouldn't know for sure.

EvilSniperTom said:
All aboard the crazy train! Fuahahahaha!

But in all seriousness, with the whole Time Leap and D-Mail discussion I've seen I've come to my own understanding of the situation.

We all think D-Mail changes the world line. It sends a text back which changes a persons mind about something causing the world line to split off into a new one because it is a new line in which they have decided to go with that option.

I would say the Time Leap is pretty much the same apart from it is sending a persons consciousness back. Their memories are transferred back down the SAME World Line and then the moment they do something different from the original World line they were on it causes the World line to split off, like the D-Mail. I think this anime is all about getting back to the original World line. (Which if you did read properly, is possible without a paradox)

If you also analyse what has gone on so far you can pretty much predict what's going on and what has happened. From what I can tell, the FIRST D-Mail is what caught SERN's attention. In the first episode we see a satellite land on the building, with what looks like Suzuha in front of it. Then Okarin finds Kurisu dead and then sends the D-Mail, which changes when John Titor arrive and also how the Satellite landed. Which they could of guessed something happened from a similar thing happening as their experiment or the massive Satellite randomly crashing into a building out of nowhere without destroying anything else in the process.

So I think they'll have to stop Okabe sending the original D-Mail, although this would end up causing Kurisu to die and Mayuri to live. Which still causes problems. I also think he does try to save Kurisu either through D-Mail or some other method, possibly Suzuha? because you also have the bit in episode one where she talks to him, saying that he was desperately talking to her 15 minutes before but he doesn't remember this. Also when Okabe hears a scream in episode 1 it sounds exactly like himself, so maybe he did try to come back but failed and saw her death?

I also don't see how the D-Mail made John Titor come at a different time, so it suggests that he had to go back to 2000 after the events of these episodes so that it gives Okabe all the thoughts on John Titor in the first episode.

I haven't played the VN sadly and I'm not sure if there's manga, I assume so. So this is all speculation on my part. There's a lot more plot points and thinking outside the box I can think of and such but it's too long to write down. I've also been analysing the episodes weekly using NOTEPAD FUHAHAHAHA!


Bravo. Your thought process is going in the right direction.
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Jun 29, 2011 7:17 AM

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Fai said:
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D-mail:"Don't hack SERN" Problem solved and they will live happily ever after.

...but then again that would kill the epicness XDD Everyone likes to see Okarin desperate and fail miserably...



Jacut said:
Someone needs to use the D-Mail in order to save Mayushii (on the down side, that could make the Shinkansen black - I'm joking but the scene with the mother and her child is clearly here as a future indicator of whether or not the time lines have been changed or not -).

GarLogan78 said:
So it seems like a time leap can't change the future, just how it happens. Only a D-Mail can shift the world lines. Like others have suggested, a D-Mail might be a better way to try and save Mayuri. Or just tell her to spend the night at her cosplay friend's house.


*facepalm*

ITS THE SAME DAMN THING, JUST IN ONE CASE YOU SEND INFORMATION TO AFFECT RECEIVERS AND IN OTHER CASE YOU SEND A COPY OF YOURSELF TO DO THE SAME DAMN THING.

YOu CAN'T travel to actual past of your wordline due to causality paradox.

People can be so dense sometimes.


Sorry if I sound ignorant but I don't understand the point you are trying to make.

I just want to say that there is a difference between d-mails and time leaping. Sending D-mails changes the world line which can be thought of another world branching off from the world you sent it in. This would lead to very noticeable outcomes. In contrast, time leaping is like a rewind in the same world line, meaning things that is supposed to occur in this world, WILL occur regardless of what you (actually it would be Okarin) try to do to stop it. The only thing you can really do is delay it or change how you arrived at the situation. With d-mails, you can definitely change what you couldn't by time leaping.

I've played the VN so I would know.

Disregard this post if this is what you meant or if it is irrelevant to what you are saying.



ANd now i am going to call bullshit on this one.


Discussed this with at least three to four people who played VN, they all seem to agree with the fact that LEAP IS IDENTICAL TO DMAIL, IT STILL CHANGES TIMELINE INTO ALTERNATE ONE.

NOWHERE in the VN does it state that it changes the existing worldline. The only thing that differs is what is being sent.
 
Jun 29, 2011 7:23 AM

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Ohh my GAWD!!! this is so Higurashi i feel bad for Okarin having to come back and failing to save Mayuri so many times...if he still keeps his sanity like Rika maybe after 1145+ attemps he might get it..

Well Nae did surprise her in a not so good way..
 
Jun 29, 2011 7:24 AM

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she has already died 3 times, poor Mayuri. i bet Okabe is going to go crazy, i want him to save her, will next episode be another 2 more of her deaths or will some ting different happen? i'm looking forward to it ether way but dang this is such a good anime!

badbluesplayer said:
Ohh my GAWD!!! this is so Higurashi i feel bad for Okarin having to come back and failing to save Mayuri so many times...if he still keeps his sanity like Rika maybe after 1145+ attemps he might get it..

^this
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Jun 29, 2011 7:31 AM

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It won't center on saving Mayushii countless times now, will it?
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Jun 29, 2011 8:20 AM

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Fai said:
DesolateOne said:
Fai said:
DenjaX said:
D-mail:"Don't hack SERN" Problem solved and they will live happily ever after.

...but then again that would kill the epicness XDD Everyone likes to see Okarin desperate and fail miserably...



Jacut said:
Someone needs to use the D-Mail in order to save Mayushii (on the down side, that could make the Shinkansen black - I'm joking but the scene with the mother and her child is clearly here as a future indicator of whether or not the time lines have been changed or not -).

GarLogan78 said:
So it seems like a time leap can't change the future, just how it happens. Only a D-Mail can shift the world lines. Like others have suggested, a D-Mail might be a better way to try and save Mayuri. Or just tell her to spend the night at her cosplay friend's house.


*facepalm*

ITS THE SAME DAMN THING, JUST IN ONE CASE YOU SEND INFORMATION TO AFFECT RECEIVERS AND IN OTHER CASE YOU SEND A COPY OF YOURSELF TO DO THE SAME DAMN THING.

YOu CAN'T travel to actual past of your wordline due to causality paradox.

People can be so dense sometimes.


Sorry if I sound ignorant but I don't understand the point you are trying to make.

I just want to say that there is a difference between d-mails and time leaping. Sending D-mails changes the world line which can be thought of another world branching off from the world you sent it in. This would lead to very noticeable outcomes. In contrast, time leaping is like a rewind in the same world line, meaning things that is supposed to occur in this world, WILL occur regardless of what you (actually it would be Okarin) try to do to stop it. The only thing you can really do is delay it or change how you arrived at the situation. With d-mails, you can definitely change what you couldn't by time leaping.

I've played the VN so I would know.

Disregard this post if this is what you meant or if it is irrelevant to what you are saying.



ANd now i am going to call bullshit on this one.


Discussed this with at least three to four people who played VN, they all seem to agree with the fact that LEAP IS IDENTICAL TO DMAIL, IT STILL CHANGES TIMELINE INTO ALTERNATE ONE.

NOWHERE in the VN does it state that it changes the existing worldline. The only thing that differs is what is being sent.


First of all, calm down and don't disrespect other people's opinions. Second, the reason for this whole D-mail and time leap is different is because of the difference of what happened to Kurisu and Mayuri who shared the same fate. Kurisu was originally killed, but saved when Okarin sent a D-mail to the past. Unlike Mayuri, she didn't face death again in another fashion, but stayed alive for a much longer period of time. But Mayuri was never saved. Instead, death found it's target one way or another. And since Okarin used the time leap, and not the D-mail, people assume that it works differently. This is just a way for fans who haven't played the VN to believe that Mayuri can be saved.
 
Jun 29, 2011 8:27 AM

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Fai said:
ANd now i am going to call bullshit on this one.

Discussed this with at least three to four people who played VN, they all seem to agree with the fact that LEAP IS IDENTICAL TO DMAIL, IT STILL CHANGES TIMELINE INTO ALTERNATE ONE.

NOWHERE in the VN does it state that it changes the existing worldline. The only thing that differs is what is being sent.

Indeed the timeline changes. But it's so minor dat u can't tell a difference on the Divergence Meter. So why Okabe couldn't save Mayushii from her fatal death? Sum certain char will explain it in a few episodes, and dat's when the 1% fantasy thing is accounted for.
 
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Few things I have noticed,
  • Notice in both times of Mayuri's watch it stopped at 7pm in the spoiler
    well I found out something about that number right here. Apparently it may hold some magical/manifesting value that I hold may have something to do with that tomb scene with Mayuri's grand-mother.

  • Mayuri's death was close 8pm. Once again tried to find something about the number and came into this source right here. The ifnity and cycle notions were very interesting considering that is exatly what Mayuri is going through.

  • I have tried to corellate Metaphysics whom information is here and Necrosis whom the information is here. Strangely enough I concocted something of Mayuri's presence being somehwat of a poison due to the whole necrosis state notion and also due to the sudden wall looking strange here. In any case IMO it may have something to do with Ergosphere notion. Where balck hole particles from Mayuri's soul are affecting the world and hence Moeka may have paranoia that they can kill Okabe since he is human but little does she know that Okabe already has those in his body.

  • Ever though what Rembrandt lighting is? Well it is rather interesting to see what is right here. A rather interesting technique in photography.


Some questions that would be nice to have answered,
  • I do wonder what that guy's symbol in the spoiler
    exactly means?


  • I don't understand how just by pulling something it made so much smoke in the spoiler
    what was that thing pulled out?

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this ep reminds me of higurashi no naku koro ni kai
 
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Few things I have noticed,
  • Notice in both times of Mayuri's watch it stopped at 7pm in the spoiler
    well I found out something about that number right here. Apparently it may hold some magical/manifesting value that I hold may have something to do with that tomb scene with Mayuri's grand-mother.

  • Mayuri's death was close 8pm. Once again tried to find something about the number and came into this source right here. The ifnity and cycle notions were very interesting considering that is exatly what Mayuri is going through.

  • I have tried to corellate Metaphysics whom information is here and Necrosis whom the information is here. Strangely enough I concocted something of Mayuri's presence being somehwat of a poison due to the whole necrosis state notion and also due to the sudden wall looking strange here. In any case IMO it may have something to do with Ergosphere notion. Where balck hole particles from Mayuri's soul are affecting the world and hence Moeka may have paranoia that they can kill Okabe since he is human but little does she know that Okabe already has those in his body.

  • Ever though what Rembrandt lighting is? Well it is rather interesting to see what is right here. A rather interesting technique in photography.


Some questions that would be nice to have answered,
  • I do wonder what that guy's symbol in the spoiler
    exactly means?


  • I don't understand how just by pulling something it made so much smoke in the spoiler
    what was that thing pulled out?


i am always amazed by your observations..really helpful ^^
 
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Okabe x Kurisu

agreed those two are much better the Obabe x Mayuri.
a thought if Kurisu died before his first jump doesn't that make Kurisu death fate as well. so Kurisu and Mayuri deaths at this point are fate. Okabe is going to have to jump further back in order to save everyone and prevent fate.


Kurisu getting shot before Okabe's first leap wasn't a fatal shot, it was on her shoulder.

If it was really in her neck, she wouldn't even have the power to even yelp.

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Fai said:

ANd now i am going to call bullshit on this one.


Discussed this with at least three to four people who played VN, they all seem to agree with the fact that LEAP IS IDENTICAL TO DMAIL, IT STILL CHANGES TIMELINE INTO ALTERNATE ONE.


You misunderstood me. Obviously it does change the timeline and proof of that was in this episode where Mayuri died multiple times in different ways. However, the fact still remains that Mayuri died, and its something their time leap machine cannot correct.

Fai said:

NOWHERE in the VN does it state that it changes the existing worldline. The only thing that differs is what is being sent.


It's implied because of the reason above. Afterall, you are just sending memories to yourself in the past. Okabe even says it himself that he did not feel the Reading Steiner activate. The buildings and everything from the last D-mail was there. He merely went back in time. Sure, the events that unfold afterwards will perhaps change the future, but he just altered the wordline he was in. He didn't create a parellel wordline. Things that will happen will be limited to this world, not branch out into another one.

Regarding the paradox issue of meeting yourself differs here (you can say its because its not truly a time machine) but later on in this show, the paradox will come up and there will be a simple way to circumvent this.

 
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Shit!! It's not just SERN. From the last scene it seems the universe is after Mayuri and wants to kill her no matter what. The universe can be one big pain in the ass opponent.

The question is why is the universe so keen on killing her? Why is her existence not acceptable? I don't think is just a matter of death following people trying to cheat him because otherwise Kirisu should be dieing too since she also got shot before Okabe times leaped.
It seems like a specific matter with Mayuri.

Btw last death was most cruel because not only she died but it also destroyed the life of the little girl that will feel terrible forever. Thankfully Okabe won't give-up. At least if he can't save her she might as well die from those Sern guys that don't give a shit instead of getting killed by an accident from a person that loves her and will feel horrible.
 
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First of all, calm down and don't disrespect other people's opinions. Second, the reason for this whole D-mail and time leap is different is because of the difference of what happened to Kurisu and Mayuri who shared the same fate. Kurisu was originally killed, but saved when Okarin sent a D-mail to the past. Unlike Mayuri, she didn't face death again in another fashion, but stayed alive for a much longer period of time. But Mayuri was never saved. Instead, death found it's target one way or another. And since Okarin used the time leap, and not the D-mail, people assume that it works differently. This is just a way for fans who haven't played the VN to believe that Mayuri can be saved.


\If that was speculation then oh well, I could let it pass, but the person in question CLAIMED that he/she has read the VN and that it works the same there, which is nonsense.
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Fai said:

ANd now i am going to call bullshit on this one.


Discussed this with at least three to four people who played VN, they all seem to agree with the fact that LEAP IS IDENTICAL TO DMAIL, IT STILL CHANGES TIMELINE INTO ALTERNATE ONE.


You misunderstood me. Obviously it does change the timeline and proof of that was in this episode where Mayuri died multiple times in different ways. However, the fact still remains that Mayuri died, and its something their time leap machine cannot correct.


However it still creates a new timeline separate from previous one, hence the mechanics are pretty much the same.

You CAN'T enter the past point of the same timeline you are.
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Fai said:

NOWHERE in the VN does it state that it changes the existing worldline. The only thing that differs is what is being sent.


It's implied because of the reason above. Afterall, you are just sending memories to yourself in the past. Okabe even says it himself that he did not feel the Reading Steiner activate. The buildings and everything from the last D-mail was there. He merely went back in time. Sure, the events that unfold afterwards will perhaps change the future, but he just altered the wordline he was in. He didn't create a parellel wordline. Things that will happen will be limited to this world, not branch out into another one.

Regarding the paradox issue of meeting yourself differs here (you can say its because its not truly a time machine) but later on in this show, the paradox will come up and there will be a simple way to circumvent this.

ANd in DMAIL you are just sending text into the past. Its the same thing - data transmission into the past-point of alternate timeline.

yes he "went back in time", in time of an alternate timeline. If the same timeline resets - that means that he never left to the past, thus the timeline had no reason to reset. If he is just sent in fixed timeline into his previous body, then that alone would mean that at that certain time he left to the past he would NOT thus he could not be in the past, hence causality paradox. Its NOT about "meeting yourself". The stuf in this episode shows Okarin transfering data into past-okarin of alternate timeline.

His powers seem to "activate" when timeline moves. This time its not timeline moving into place below him, its his memories moving into different alternate timeline.

And you see thats where the bullshit is. YOU CAN'T change the same worldline you traveled from. The very act of him SENDING those memories creates a new wordline. Otherwise, causality paradox.

Let me explain it simply:
I travel to the past and kill my past self.
Past self as result does not travel into the past.
Then how could I travel into the past?
If i did not travel into the past, I could not have killed my past self.
If I did not kill my past self, my past self travels into the past
cue paradox.
 
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The way she was killed by Nae was stupid, pathetic and sad .I feel bad for Okabe.
 
Jun 29, 2011 12:10 PM

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soooo yea okabe is going to go full on BUTTERFLY EFFECT and make is so that he tells mayuri never to talk to him again so they can all live happily ever after. i bet he ends up with kurisu tho. i lovvvee kana hanazawa but kurisus character was definitely better. GO RED HAIR
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It so hard to change when someone is meant to be dead hmm

in this episode, you will die horribly... *laughs just as shion*
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DesolateOne said:
Fai said:

NOWHERE in the VN does it state that it changes the existing worldline. The only thing that differs is what is being sent.


It's implied because of the reason above. Afterall, you are just sending memories to yourself in the past. Okabe even says it himself that he did not feel the Reading Steiner activate. The buildings and everything from the last D-mail was there. He merely went back in time. Sure, the events that unfold afterwards will perhaps change the future, but he just altered the wordline he was in. He didn't create a parellel wordline. Things that will happen will be limited to this world, not branch out into another one.

Regarding the paradox issue of meeting yourself differs here (you can say its because its not truly a time machine) but later on in this show, the paradox will come up and there will be a simple way to circumvent this.
They're merely exploring the popular rationalizations of the grandfather paradox with time travel.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grandfather_paradox#Scientific_theories

The only original thing here is that parallel universes and self-consistent universes can coexist, where you d-mail to move world lines or time leap back on the same consistent world line. They are not contradictory if different time travel methods are used, so it makes sense to me.
 
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Yumekichi11 said:
Few things I have noticed,
  • Notice in both times of Mayuri's watch it stopped at 7pm in the spoiler
    well I found out something about that number right here. Apparently it may hold some magical/manifesting value that I hold may have something to do with that tomb scene with Mayuri's grand-mother.

  • Mayuri's death was close 8pm. Once again tried to find something about the number and came into this source right here. The ifnity and cycle notions were very interesting considering that is exatly what Mayuri is going through.

  • I have tried to corellate Metaphysics whom information is here and Necrosis whom the information is here. Strangely enough I concocted something of Mayuri's presence being somehwat of a poison due to the whole necrosis state notion and also due to the sudden wall looking strange here. In any case IMO it may have something to do with Ergosphere notion. Where balck hole particles from Mayuri's soul are affecting the world and hence Moeka may have paranoia that they can kill Okabe since he is human but little does she know that Okabe already has those in his body.

  • Ever though what Rembrandt lighting is? Well it is rather interesting to see what is right here. A rather interesting technique in photography.


Some questions that would be nice to have answered,
  • I do wonder what that guy's symbol in the spoiler
    exactly means?


  • I don't understand how just by pulling something it made so much smoke in the spoiler
    what was that thing pulled out?



i think it was one of okabe experiments , i think we saw it before , i might be wrong.
 
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my favourite episode so far, feel so bad for okabe and mayuri


edit: just found out what i mentioned was already in a topic below :p
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I don't think my heart can handle Mayuri dying again.


Same.

I hated it. Dx

I watched this episode as soon as I got up today, and I have been thinking about it every sense. (ALL DAY LONG.) I can't get it outta my head. I'm about to go watch it again, but I don't like seeing Mayuri die. T.T , I hope Okarain can save her. Its so sad. I don't know if I have ever wanted next week to get here so fast.
 
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I j-just w-w-w-watched Steins; Gate episodes 12 & 13



this i-is s-s-so epic'

I want the next episode, I need the next episode

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I-I-I can't get myself to even write the horrible events of that episode

T_T

Forgive me
 
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Who's ready for Endless;Gate?


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Fai said:
Let me explain it simply:
I travel to the past and kill my past self.
Past self as result does not travel into the past.
Then how could I travel into the past?
If i did not travel into the past, I could not have killed my past self.
If I did not kill my past self, my past self travels into the past
cue paradox.


That IS a paradox, but how about this?

Instead of me actually killing myself, let us say I maimed myself (let's say I end up in a coma) and thus could not send memories into the past.

I sent memories into the past and maimed myself.
As a result, past self did not send memories into the past.
What happens?

I'm simply maimed after having received my memories and now must live my life as such. I do not need my past self to send memories of myself to the past, as I have already done so once. No one but myself knows that I know what happens in the future.

What I'm trying to say is that it appears to have happened sequentially and not simultaneously. I received, and then I acted, and therefore I got the result. Not I received and acted and got the result at the same time, therefore did not send, thus not acted, and thus never got the result, (continues endlessly like your paradox).

It's like hitting backspace on a word. ie. "money". You send memories of to your past self and end up erasing it so it just spells "mone". There never was a physical time where you typed "money". You just remember being as such. The time in between was erased and begins at the time you received your memories.


Having said all that - truthfully, it's not said in the VN whether the time-leap causes a shift into an alternate world line or if it stays in the same one. My opinions are based on how I interpreted what happened in the game and the cause behind it. To me, it points to a single world line. Yes - what happens after the D-mail and time-leap does change the world, but you say it branches off into an alternate worldline while I say it stays in the same one.

Maybe if you continue watching the series until the end, your opinions may differ (or stay the same).

 
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I gave up trying to argue with Fai 6 pages ago. They seem set on the idea that the rules of Steins;Gate universe correspond with the the theories of our own instead of looking at it the way it really is in the story. If you don't make a dent in their logic this time around there's probably no hope.
 
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I just noticed Kiryuu Moeka and Amane Suzuha look like each other so much.

http://imageshack.us/f/52/amanesuzuhakiryuumoeka.jpg/

Could they be the same person?
Humm, I think someone would turn into jellyman if teleported to the past... but they are so very muck like each other!!
 
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DesolateOne said:
You can assume that they will be wanted and killed if captured. They weren't in the lab at the time it happened so you wouldn't know for sure.


Yeah. I just thought it seemed weird for them to only focus on Mayurii & not give a hint about the other two members that Okarin would probably want to save too, if he knew...

harimasora said:
I just noticed Kiryuu Moeka and Amane Suzuha look like each other so much.

http://imageshack.us/f/52/amanesuzuhakiryuumoeka.jpg/

Could they be the same person?
Humm, I think someone would turn into jellyman if teleported to the past... but they are so very muck like each other!!


Lol, if they were the same person - why would she try to kill "herself".
 
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i can't take it Mayushii is just too Kawaii to die.and she doesn't deserve it!

 
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As the subway headlights slowly started to appear, I was saying to myself "No, no, no, no, no..."

After the car crash, it clicked to me the Mayurii can't escape death. I really wanna see how long Okarin will keep this up until he realizes that he can't save Mayruii. Perhaps he already knows and just doesn't wanna give up.
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harimasora said:
I just noticed Kiryuu Moeka and Amane Suzuha look like each other so much.http://imageshack.us/f/52/amanesuzuhakiryuumoeka.jpg/
Could they be the same person?
Humm, I think someone would turn into jellyman if teleported to the past... but they are so very muck like each other!!
Lol, if they were the same person - why would she try to kill "herself".
Also it would be impossible for all Suzuha may have to do is to touch Moeka and both are gone. They are therefore not the same person.

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This episode was good but there's one thing that I tough was really retarded.

When Mayuri died for a second time I cannot start to understand how the fuck did Okabe managed to pass megane and her evil army of soldier that were armed, god she even had a car (nice hit on mayuri between) to get to his lab and to do a second time loop.

I wouldn't get surprised if the scene was much more detailled in the VN but in the anime it was really retarded and I mean really.
 
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God says it her time.....and there is no cheating death....no matter what you do she will die..one way or the other!
 
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this is realy heating up although i dont think i can take it anymore if mayuri dies again but with repitition comes a solution

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Wow, this show has gotten amazing all of a sudden. It's going to suck waiting for the next episode.
 
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This episode was good but there's one thing that I tough was really retarded.

When Mayuri died for a second time I cannot start to understand how the fuck did Okabe managed to pass megane and her evil army of soldier that were armed, god she even had a car (nice hit on mayuri between) to get to his lab and to do a second time loop.

I wouldn't get surprised if the scene was much more detailled in the VN but in the anime it was really retarded and I mean really.


Yeeaahh I got confused at that part. How did he manage to outrun a car and a bunch of agents to get to the lab?

When Mayuri died at the subway, I was fully expecting the doors to open and Meoka to be standing there. That would've been some pretty lolz shit.
 
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This episode was good but there's one thing that I tough was really retarded.

When Mayuri died for a second time I cannot start to understand how the fuck did Okabe managed to pass megane and her evil army of soldier that were armed, god she even had a car (nice hit on mayuri between) to get to his lab and to do a second time loop.

I wouldn't get surprised if the scene was much more detailled in the VN but in the anime it was really retarded and I mean really.


In the VN both Okabe n Mayuri got hitted by the car, and Okabe still had the strength to knock out Moeka, then dashed all the way back to the lab. Haha. =(

And they too skiped 2 death scenes b4 Mayuri got run over by the train, I dun know if they will put them back in the following episodes so ill use a spoiler tag.

SPOILER AHEAD
 
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Also it would be impossible for all Suzuha may have to do is to touch Moeka and both are gone. They are therefore not the same person.


Again people are assuming pre-defined time travel "logic" without understanding how it works in this story. Exactly what proof do you have that a future version of ones self touching a current version of ones self would result in such cataclysmic events? This has been mentioned in a couple sci-fi movies and books over the course of history, but never backed by any evidence theoretical or otherwise. Stop regurgitating this garbage without a second thought and evaluate the possibilities yourself... That said I don't think they are the same person, but your thought process is crap.
 
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Yumekichi11 said:
Also it would be impossible for all Suzuha may have to do is to touch Moeka and both are gone. They are therefore not the same person.


Again people are assuming pre-defined time travel "logic" without understanding how it works in this story. Exactly what proof do you have that a future version of ones self touching a current version of ones self would result in such cataclysmic events? This has been mentioned in a couple sci-fi movies and books over the course of history, but never backed by any evidence theoretical or otherwise. Stop regurgitating this garbage without a second thought and evaluate the possibilities yourself... That said I don't think they are the same person, but your thought process is crap.


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Fuck, not even Takuto's libido is enough to save Mayuri.


Well done.

 
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Hypno-girl said:
This episode was good but there's one thing that I tough was really retarded.

When Mayuri died for a second time I cannot start to understand how the fuck did Okabe managed to pass megane and her evil army of soldier that were armed, god she even had a car (nice hit on mayuri between) to get to his lab and to do a second time loop.

I wouldn't get surprised if the scene was much more detailled in the VN but in the anime it was really retarded and I mean really.


In the VN both Okabe n Mayuri got hitted by the car, and Okabe still had the strength to knock out Moeka, then dashed all the way back to the lab. Haha. =(

And they too skiped 2 death scenes b4 Mayuri got run over by the train, I dun know if they will put them back in the following episodes so ill use a spoiler tag.

SPOILER AHEAD
Well that explains it better so we will all assume he KO Moeka wihtout us seeing it as in most animes it happens like that anyway. Right?

In regards to the spoiler, I hope that gets done. The order may just be changed. That also happens in anime.

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Yumekichi11 said:
Also it would be impossible for all Suzuha may have to do is to touch Moeka and both are gone. They are therefore not the same person.


Again people are assuming pre-defined time travel "logic" without understanding how it works in this story. Exactly what proof do you have that a future version of ones self touching a current version of ones self would result in such cataclysmic events? This has been mentioned in a couple sci-fi movies and books over the course of history, but never backed by any evidence theoretical or otherwise.
Well that's exactly the thing, that I saw it in a movie and since a lot of time travel is not well proven from the sci-fi then it's quite possible once time travel becomes a reality.

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Yumekichi11 said:
hikaricore said:
Yumekichi11 said:
Also it would be impossible for all Suzuha may have to do is to touch Moeka and both are gone. They are therefore not the same person.
Again people are assuming pre-defined time travel "logic" without understanding how it works in this story. Exactly what proof do you have that a future version of ones self touching a current version of ones self would result in such cataclysmic events? This has been mentioned in a couple sci-fi movies and books over the course of history, but never backed by any evidence theoretical or otherwise.
Well that's exactly the thing, that I saw it in a movie and since a lot of time travel is not well proven from the sci-fi then it's quite possible once time travel becomes a reality.
When If time travel becomes reality sometime in the future, I'll go back in time and hit myself in the face to disprove that theory. Just sayin'.
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In D-mail, Okabe shifted World Line, thats why things changed. But Time Leap Machine, he goes back in time but in the same World Line. That proves why Mayushi cannot escape her death.
 
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In D-mail, Okabe shifted World Line, thats why things changed. But Time Leap Machine, he goes back in time but in the same World Line. That proves why Mayushi cannot escape her death.
Best simple logic expressed. Hence why I think Moeka should just be shot and die! :D Then that what causes the death of Mayuri is gone.

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