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Jun 17, 2011 6:54 PM

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Koi-Miru said:
StormViruz said:
Still wondering as to who the hell is this "above" from whom he's following orders.


Imma placing my bet on the tentacle thing that 'ate' part of the financial district *cough*cthulhu*cough*


Might as well be cthulhu. LOL
 
Jun 17, 2011 7:16 PM
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negativedemyx said:
Koi-Miru said:
StormViruz said:
Still wondering as to who the hell is this "above" from whom he's following orders.


Imma placing my bet on the tentacle thing that 'ate' part of the financial district *cough*cthulhu*cough*


Might as well be cthulhu. LOL


Yea, after that I can't take this series seriously anymore....

C works better as a simple shounen. All that economy bullshit adds a bit of exoticism and novelty but you really have to turn your brain off to avoid the absurdity of all this.

This episode was good. I liked the action sequences.
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The endless debate between fans and haters. At one point, after spending a lot of time on MAL, you just realize it's totally pointless.
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Jun 17, 2011 7:54 PM

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Wow, the series has been getting faster and faster paced. I found the beginning pretty interesting so I think that they could've stretched this out a few more episodes to slow down the pace.

I think I'll have to rewatch the past few episodes later because this whole [c] bzns has been going over my head. :U I watch this show as I eat dinner so naturally my attention is divided, but it looks like I'll need to pay more attention to get this. xD

I dunno though, is it just me or does what Yoga and Satou[?] did in the end seem kind of contradictory. They want to save the future and yet that hyper inflation they did could potentially destroy Japan [or] the financial district but the former would destroy the future anyway, and from what I've gathered, the latter could also have a similar effect.

And Mashyu's macroflation didn't seem all that impressive in comparison to what we've seen in the past, but I still have to admit that it wasn't too terrible or anything. Georges's macroflation had a great effect but it wasn't as flashy as I've come to expect from this show. xD

Well, either way I'll be looking forward to seeing what they pull for the finale.
 
Jun 17, 2011 9:37 PM

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Will they ever explain what [C] really is?
Even when I was in crowd, I was always alone
 
Jun 17, 2011 11:49 PM

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Great episode this week as usual, this anime seriously is one of the best this season.

I hope Masyu ends up with Kimimaro in the end and not have the crap Father-Daughter shit like that of Saber Marionette where the 3 girls got turn into the main protagonist daughters.
 
Jun 18, 2011 1:05 AM

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Blah blah blah, give me more Mashyu and I'm happy.
 
Jun 18, 2011 1:10 AM

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Okay, you've got a pissed anime watcher here.

For the sake of god, I feel like rage-quitting so badly. Mikuni sees [C] get reflected back and thinks 'god-dammn rich America, time to roll out the money press again.' Last time he sacrificed 20 years of his life, we can presume he is sacrificing something of equivalent value this time around (case in point: Masasaki asks him if he is fine with the possibility that he will have no future left).

What's the big problem here? Jennifer and whoever are really fucking stupid. After rolling off this spiel about how we shouldn't sacrifice the future for the present or whatever hypocritical bull-crap they were spouting off, they completely destroyed the Japanese economy. Goddammit, DO YOU KNOW WHAT HYPERINFLATION DOES TO A NATION? No, it's not just another '-flation attack'... All this bull about 'let's make people lose TRUST in the Yen!' is just pathetic - not even Hitler was this cruel.

Let's take a quick spin back to Economics 101.
Hyperinflation = mass printing and distributing of currency (in this case Yen) in a short period of time = Yen becomes worthless.
Problem? Japanese people are savers - a large majority of income is typically invested or saved in the bank. It's an Asian thing, really.
Result?

You've just devastated the livelihood of tens of millions of people who have stored their life's savings in banks. You've destroyed - not just destroyed, but completely and utterly fucked over the Japanese economy. This isn't some little country with a population in the thousands. There are a hundred million people living in Japan - and not only that, people worldwide will be seriously affected, with the rise of globalism and all that capitalist crap.

Oh, but surely it can't be THAT bad right? We can just switch to the US dollar! Whoohoo~ Or maybe the Chinese Yuan, or the Euro? WELL GUESS WHAT, IT DOESN'T WORK THAT WAY.

Yes, that's right. There's no quick fix to this fucking huge problem you've created.

And the worse part of this is? Mikuni's hard work over the past years - gets completely nulled by Kimimaro's deux ex machine. 'Oh, look, guess what I found? I have a BLACK CARD too! How lucky~' Couldn't the writers pull something a bit more clever than that? Jeez.

You know what, I seriously can't be bothered to rage about the fail economics anymore.

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Blah blah blah, give me more Mashyu and I'm happy.


This.
 
Jun 18, 2011 2:04 AM
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Hands down the best episode in any anime this year. That's about the most you can do in an animated TV series at the moment as far as direction, scenario, character development, music and battle sequences go.

This
I can't even describe...
Its so intense!!! I love it

AngelicFeces said:
Blah blah blah, give me more Mashyu and I'm happy.

This & info about Kimimaro's future. Then I'll be happy :D

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Wow, the series has been getting faster and faster paced. I found the beginning pretty interesting so I think that they could've stretched this out a few more episodes to slow down the pace.

A longer Second season? Plz?

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All that economy bullshit adds a bit of exoticism and novelty but you really have to turn your brain off to avoid the absurdity of all this.


Anime and fiction requite a bit of, how do you say... the ability to entertain fictional ideas that exist in a another world? So i can get past the absurdity, because its worth it.

Everything changed once Kimimaro entered the Financial District, so i didn't really expect accuracy.
 
Jun 18, 2011 2:12 AM

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Okay, you've got a pissed anime watcher here.

For the sake of god, I feel like rage-quitting so badly. Mikuni sees [C] get reflected back and thinks 'god-dammn rich America, time to roll out the money press again.' Last time he sacrificed 20 years of his life, we can presume he is sacrificing something of equivalent value this time around (case in point: Masasaki asks him if he is fine with the possibility that he will have no future left).

What's the big problem here? Jennifer and whoever are really fucking stupid. After rolling off this spiel about how we shouldn't sacrifice the future for the present or whatever hypocritical bull-crap they were spouting off, they completely destroyed the Japanese economy. Goddammit, DO YOU KNOW WHAT HYPERINFLATION DOES TO A NATION? No, it's not just another '-flation attack'... All this bull about 'let's make people lose TRUST in the Yen!' is just pathetic - not even Hitler was this cruel.

Let's take a quick spin back to Economics 101.
Hyperinflation = mass printing and distributing of currency (in this case Yen) in a short period of time = Yen becomes worthless.
Problem? Japanese people are savers - a large majority of income is typically invested or saved in the bank. It's an Asian thing, really.
Result?

You've just devastated the livelihood of tens of millions of people who have stored their life's savings in banks. You've destroyed - not just destroyed, but completely and utterly fucked over the Japanese economy. This isn't some little country with a population in the thousands. There are a hundred million people living in Japan - and not only that, people worldwide will be seriously affected, with the rise of globalism and all that capitalist crap.

Oh, but surely it can't be THAT bad right? We can just switch to the US dollar! Whoohoo~ Or maybe the Chinese Yuan, or the Euro? WELL GUESS WHAT, IT DOESN'T WORK THAT WAY.

Yes, that's right. There's no quick fix to this fucking huge problem you've created.


It makes sense in-universe. What's the alternative, anyway? Mikuni's hard work was always for nothing. I think Jennifer and her pimps realized the gravity of the shit they're pulling.
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Jun 18, 2011 2:38 AM
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ArcrexK said:
Okay, you've got a pissed anime watcher here.

For the sake of god, I feel like rage-quitting so badly. Mikuni sees [C] get reflected back and thinks 'god-dammn rich America, time to roll out the money press again.' Last time he sacrificed 20 years of his life, we can presume he is sacrificing something of equivalent value this time around (case in point: Masasaki asks him if he is fine with the possibility that he will have no future left).

What's the big problem here? Jennifer and whoever are really fucking stupid. After rolling off this spiel about how we shouldn't sacrifice the future for the present or whatever hypocritical bull-crap they were spouting off, they completely destroyed the Japanese economy. Goddammit, DO YOU KNOW WHAT HYPERINFLATION DOES TO A NATION? No, it's not just another '-flation attack'... All this bull about 'let's make people lose TRUST in the Yen!' is just pathetic - not even Hitler was this cruel.

Let's take a quick spin back to Economics 101.
Hyperinflation = mass printing and distributing of currency (in this case Yen) in a short period of time = Yen becomes worthless.
Problem? Japanese people are savers - a large majority of income is typically invested or saved in the bank. It's an Asian thing, really.
Result?

You've just devastated the livelihood of tens of millions of people who have stored their life's savings in banks. You've destroyed - not just destroyed, but completely and utterly fucked over the Japanese economy. This isn't some little country with a population in the thousands. There are a hundred million people living in Japan - and not only that, people worldwide will be seriously affected, with the rise of globalism and all that capitalist crap.

Oh, but surely it can't be THAT bad right? We can just switch to the US dollar! Whoohoo~ Or maybe the Chinese Yuan, or the Euro? WELL GUESS WHAT, IT DOESN'T WORK THAT WAY.

Yes, that's right. There's no quick fix to this fucking huge problem you've created.

And the worse part of this is? Mikuni's hard work over the past years - gets completely nulled by Kimimaro's deux ex machine. 'Oh, look, guess what I found? I have a BLACK CARD too! How lucky~' Couldn't the writers pull something a bit more clever than that? Jeez.

You know what, I seriously can't be bothered to rage about the fail economics anymore.


Hasn't Kimimaro's card always been black? If so then everyone really is bad at noticing obvious things. My first thought when they mentioned the 'Black Card' is that Yoga already had one so they were kinda wasting time..

To counter your other points, while they are destroying the present (And the future honestly) by hyper-inflating the economy and then subjecting it to a shockwave from Singapore's collapse, at the rate Mikuni was using the Press he would have erased Japan all together, hurting all the other Districts (Except America) and absolutely destroying all hope of a future.

It looks like a lesser of two evils choice to me.
 
Jun 18, 2011 3:40 AM

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StormViruz said:
Still wondering as to who the hell is this "above" from whom he's following orders.

Same here, I wouldn't be surprised if it was just himself =P
 
Jun 18, 2011 4:46 AM

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Macroflation was AWESOME!!! O_O
This episode was amazing >D I can't wait for moar!!!
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Jun 18, 2011 9:12 AM

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Sense, this show makes none.
*laughs*- Agreed.
And with only one episode left, nothing will ever be explained.
 
Jun 18, 2011 9:54 AM

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Hasn't Kimimaro's card always been black? If so then everyone really is bad at noticing obvious things. My first thought when they mentioned the 'Black Card' is that Yoga already had one so they were kinda wasting time..

Yes, but now it has a tentacle monster on the front, and control the magical tentacles from the heavens that bring down the money press.
 
Jun 18, 2011 10:36 AM

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jennifer dying made me shed mental tear
 
Jun 18, 2011 10:42 AM
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Xieon said:
This episode was awesome.

I still don't get how the fights work (I understand all of the economics terms they are using, but I don't actually get the fights, but I guess it's supposed to be like that, they don't really need a reason to explain it, a lot of it is more of a metaphor).


The same way all fight in naruto-like animes work. "Cool guy" loses because he is a fking moron, but then he says some shit like "I cant allow that" or "I wont forgive you" and wins with one hit. ez game.
 
Jun 18, 2011 12:19 PM

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This episode was seriously amazing
Biggest cliffhanger ive seen in a while
 
Jun 18, 2011 12:23 PM

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Hands down the best episode in any anime this year. That's about the most you can do in an animated TV series at the moment as far as direction, scenario, character development, music and battle sequences go.

You're kidding, right?
 
Jun 18, 2011 12:50 PM

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Japanese people (and most people, I guess) are savers, as someone posted above. They trust something that doesn't have any 'real' value, just a completely arbitrary one, and that's why it works. Because you see, a check for example, is a promise, a promise to pay [x] quantity of money to [y] person on a [z] date. What sometimes people tend to forget is that money is also a promise. A promise of payment in "another currency" which doesn't exist, in other words... *ta-dá* a debt. And I could go on and on.

As you know, without trust, people don't make promises. And without these, money doesn't circulate, and then, the economy goes down the drain.

tl;dr Informator guy is boss. Don't trust on thing without real value. Paper is just that.
 
Jun 18, 2011 1:30 PM

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Absolutely amazing. If the final episode is this good, I'll forgive the weak mid-season eps and up this to 10.

Too bad there's just one episode left... and three foes to face: Mikuni, America (like hell) and the Midas Bank itself...
"Tonight, I sit in the eye of the storm. As fire boils around me, I press forward, winds and lightning lashing my wings. I am no match for what I face. Yet I will not back down, and though fear may place it's stranglehold on my heart, courage will see me through. With tears in my eyes, I hit full throttle. My engines become an inferno, and my weapons light up, awaiting my command.

If I die tonight, I will do so fighting for everything I believe in."


 
Jun 18, 2011 5:13 PM
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i know Inflation will come in this anime one day and another good episode im hyped for the last episode now
 
Jun 18, 2011 6:09 PM

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Killer episode imho, tons of fighting even if it doesn't make much sense. Mikune is a fuckin BEAST and I'm sure it's gonna be a nasty fight with Kimimaro. Jennifer had the weakest Macro I thought, though Asset stealing is a nasty effect. Overheated Economy was freaking awesome (way better than Scorched Earth) and Cannibalize was creepy as hell but insanely powerful.

Can't wait for the final battle, and I wonder how Kimimaro plans on fixing things. I'm sure he'll beat Mikune, being the main character and all, but I can't really see any way to set right all that's been done in this series. Lives and entire countries wiped off the map by this reality-warping Financial District nonsense. Wonder who the real boss of all this is, the 'higher ups' that command the Misakakis. Mammon? Cthulhu? Certainly not God...
 
Jun 18, 2011 7:04 PM

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so Mikuni is the antaganist of the series? Loving this series! I can't really blame him. He just wants to do right.

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Jun 18, 2011 7:26 PM

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talk about fast forwarding.
 
Jun 18, 2011 8:06 PM

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This episode was awesome.

I still don't get how the fights work (I understand all of the economics terms they are using, but I don't actually get the fights, but I guess it's supposed to be like that, they don't really need a reason to explain it, a lot of it is more of a metaphor).

Does anyone know if there's any talk to do more with this series? A manga, or more anime?

Or is it just going to end? Because personally I love this show, one of the best of this season, and I'm sad to see it end. It could definitely be longer, or a manga could be really good.

Any help is appreciated :)


As you know assets symbolise their entree's future while the financial district symbolise the country's future.
Entree are allowed to borrow money from the midnas bank at the cost of their future but they can also earn it in deals which they are obligated to participate at least once a week.

The principe of a deal is simple, there is three type of attack that Asset can use that correspond to the number of money the entree is wishing to bet on it.
The most money that is put into an attack, the more likely will it be stronger. I say likely because this isn't totaly exact.
An entree's money is also his future and the future is a very complex thing. Let's say if Kimimaro is betting 50% of his money into an all out attack, do not expect Mikuni to be able to block it without putting at least that much effort into it.

If the attack miss then the money is wasted, if it hit then it'll steal as much future as what was invested by the entree to it's opponent. I say future because future cannot be calculated with money, basically what they are trading is future but with the means of money.
If Mikuni want to shoulder C, it won't cost him money, he is trading his future for a future where he would have been able to shoulder C through money because money = future.

I still think that this story would do much better as a novel than an anime.
It is still interesting to think about why is the financial district is even there?
If a financial district lose all of it's money then it disapear, it's whole future is taken away by an unknown entity.
Let's take this a step further, what if the other planets in the galaxy were habited by human but earth was the last one standing with it's financial district and every other plannets's inhabitant disapeared. The earth being the last one standing the finantial district divided itself into country, when there'll be only one country remaining it'll seem as this country is the whole world and then city may have their own financial district then when there'll be only one city standing it will divide once again until it took the whole universe's future.
The only way to fight such an entity would be to spread the money and population, basically to not stay shut in in the confort of it's money but expanding the human race where it couldn't go and to use money to the greater good.
 
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Hypno-girl said:
Xieon said:
This episode was awesome.

I still don't get how the fights work (I understand all of the economics terms they are using, but I don't actually get the fights, but I guess it's supposed to be like that, they don't really need a reason to explain it, a lot of it is more of a metaphor).

Does anyone know if there's any talk to do more with this series? A manga, or more anime?

Or is it just going to end? Because personally I love this show, one of the best of this season, and I'm sad to see it end. It could definitely be longer, or a manga could be really good.

Any help is appreciated :)


As you know assets symbolise their entree's future while the financial district symbolise the country's future.
Entree are allowed to borrow money from the midnas bank at the cost of their future but they can also earn it in deals which they are obligated to participate at least once a week.

The principe of a deal is simple, there is three type of attack that Asset can use that correspond to the number of money the entree is wishing to bet on it.
The most money that is put into an attack, the more likely will it be stronger. I say likely because this isn't totaly exact.
An entree's money is also his future and the future is a very complex thing. Let's say if Kimimaro is betting 50% of his money into an all out attack, do not expect Mikuni to be able to block it without putting at least that much effort into it.

If the attack miss then the money is wasted, if it hit then it'll steal as much future as what was invested by the entree to it's opponent. I say future because future cannot be calculated with money, basically what they are trading is future but with the means of money.
If Mikuni want to shoulder C, it won't cost him money, he is trading his future for a future where he would have been able to shoulder C through money because money = future.

I still think that this story would do much better as a novel than an anime.
It is still interesting to think about why is the financial district is even there?
If a financial district lose all of it's money then it disapear, it's whole future is taken away by an unknown entity.
Let's take this a step further, what if the other planets in the galaxy were habited by human but earth was the last one standing with it's financial district and every other plannets's inhabitant disapeared. The earth being the last one standing the finantial district divided itself into country, when there'll be only one country remaining it'll seem as this country is the whole world and then city may have their own financial district then when there'll be only one city standing it will divide once again until it took the whole universe's future.
The only way to fight such an entity would be to spread the money and population, basically to not stay shut in in the confort of it's money but expanding the human race where it couldn't go and to use money to the greater good.


No they don't need to participate in deals once a week. They can skip it as long as they want just like what the blonde chick with good Engrish skills is doing. About her final bout with Mikuni; did she really die? o.O

Hope it will be resolved in the final ep. Though I doubt, seeing that there are lots of subplots that needs solving and the pacing is awfully rushed.

The anime doesn't make sense but still I'll give it credits for being bad-ass plus its cool ending song.

And I a 100% agree with you on it being a novel rather than an anime.
 
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shiett only one ep left... can't be right nor enough to explain how the assets are their future.
 
Jun 19, 2011 1:37 AM

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Great episode this week as usual, this anime seriously is one of the best this season.

I hope Masyu ends up with Kimimaro in the end and not have the crap Father-Daughter shit like that of Saber Marionette where the 3 girls got turn into the main protagonist daughters.


Why people assume that Mashyu is Kimimaro's daughter? from what we have seen no one else have had a dream that foresaw their future, so it could be simply a dream... besides by saying she's his future, it becomes so ambiguos that she could be anything! heck, she can even be his future house xD, well jokes aside, this is what I think :)
 
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A rather nice episode.
 
Jun 19, 2011 4:18 AM

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Ahhh... A cliffhanger...

Msyu <3

Well, you know how Georges was transferred to Kimimaro? I wonder if its worth is in Yen, or US Dollars? If it's in dollars, Mikuni is going to get pwned so bad, with the yen dropping in value.
 
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It is time for final fight!? ;]

in this episode, you will die horribly... *laughs just as shion*
lightness vs. darkness
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Pretty epic. Loved Msyu's attacks and the Engrish ;D Too bad for Satou though.
 
Jun 19, 2011 6:03 AM

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StealMate said:
Hypno-girl said:
Xieon said:
This episode was awesome.

I still don't get how the fights work (I understand all of the economics terms they are using, but I don't actually get the fights, but I guess it's supposed to be like that, they don't really need a reason to explain it, a lot of it is more of a metaphor).

Does anyone know if there's any talk to do more with this series? A manga, or more anime?

Or is it just going to end? Because personally I love this show, one of the best of this season, and I'm sad to see it end. It could definitely be longer, or a manga could be really good.

Any help is appreciated :)


As you know assets symbolise their entree's future while the financial district symbolise the country's future.
Entree are allowed to borrow money from the midnas bank at the cost of their future but they can also earn it in deals which they are obligated to participate at least once a week.

The principe of a deal is simple, there is three type of attack that Asset can use that correspond to the number of money the entree is wishing to bet on it.
The most money that is put into an attack, the more likely will it be stronger. I say likely because this isn't totaly exact.
An entree's money is also his future and the future is a very complex thing. Let's say if Kimimaro is betting 50% of his money into an all out attack, do not expect Mikuni to be able to block it without putting at least that much effort into it.

If the attack miss then the money is wasted, if it hit then it'll steal as much future as what was invested by the entree to it's opponent. I say future because future cannot be calculated with money, basically what they are trading is future but with the means of money.
If Mikuni want to shoulder C, it won't cost him money, he is trading his future for a future where he would have been able to shoulder C through money because money = future.

I still think that this story would do much better as a novel than an anime.
It is still interesting to think about why is the financial district is even there?
If a financial district lose all of it's money then it disapear, it's whole future is taken away by an unknown entity.
Let's take this a step further, what if the other planets in the galaxy were habited by human but earth was the last one standing with it's financial district and every other plannets's inhabitant disapeared. The earth being the last one standing the finantial district divided itself into country, when there'll be only one country remaining it'll seem as this country is the whole world and then city may have their own financial district then when there'll be only one city standing it will divide once again until it took the whole universe's future.
The only way to fight such an entity would be to spread the money and population, basically to not stay shut in in the confort of it's money but expanding the human race where it couldn't go and to use money to the greater good.


No they don't need to participate in deals once a week. They can skip it as long as they want just like what the blonde chick with good Engrish skills is doing. About her final bout with Mikuni; did she really die? o.O

Hope it will be resolved in the final ep. Though I doubt, seeing that there are lots of subplots that needs solving and the pacing is awfully rushed.

The anime doesn't make sense but still I'll give it credits for being bad-ass plus its cool ending song.

And I a 100% agree with you on it being a novel rather than an anime.


The only way to pass a deal is to pay half your asset which means half your future which is a very harsh price to pass only one deal, hence why about nobody do it.
The blond girl was participating in deal but she was betting low to gain low, she didn't participated to deal to makes money but rather because she was obligated to.
 
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Yoga finally reach up in the same level as Mikuni the next final battle gotta be the most epic one out of all the other episodes !!
 
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Basically, everything was said in this post and this one.

Gakkari da yo. I'm dissapointed. Don't get me wrong, the scuffles were awesome, maybe even better than Kimimaro's initial fight and Mikuni vs Kikuchi fight, and that's saying something. If nothing else, this anime certainly knows how to make epic fights. But battles are not the main reason I watch it. The motifs and concepts behinds them are. Or rather, were.

It was kind of sad to see that Jennifer's way of solving the Financial District's existence problem and subsequential huge economic problems actually boils down to 'let's take the most powerful entre down and see what shit it lends us into afterwards', as I was afraid. Such hatred and downright insults from her feel really undue, since I can't see how that brilliant plan of hers is in any way better than what Mikuni came up with. Heck, till now she was doing exactly what he was, trying to win or lose by a small margin. I take it, she just has a lifelong wish to disappear off the face of Earth together with Japan, and Mikuni happens to stand in her way of doing exactly that.

Taketazaki taking sides? Not cool, man, not cool at all. What's in it for him, anyway? The sadistic pleasure of stealing fortune from Mikuni and ganging up on him to stab him in the back, or joy of plummeting the yen down into the depths of nothingness?

And I still don't fully get the reason behind Isurugi's betrayal. Just his lust for money and nothing else? So boring.

Kimimaro suddently being granted the Darkness Card = Deux ex Machine in action, in all its glory. And it will get much worse in the next ep, I bet. No different from your typical shounen. And I hoped so much this show will steer clear of overused wtf-s like this till the end. Now it's not even the question who's gonna win, since we're back to your tyrical boring shounen route where MC can't possibly lose to any-effing-one despite all odds against him. And especially I hate the-good-guy-suddenly-turning-out-to-be-The_Evil_Incarnate/the-bad-guy-suddenly-turning-out-to-be-A_Saint cliche which they used in this ep.

The funny thing is if the Midas Bank superiors (Cthulhu-like thingie?) suddenly issued a black card for Kimimaro, it means Mikuni's actions hurt them somehow, more than Kimimaro's ever will, and they want Mikuni stopped and crushed - by using Kimimaro for that purpose. And Kimimaro didn't even get that. I know he's pretty dense, but not to question a thing like that is just...

So, in the end, just like somebody guessed in the previous episode's thread, we are to believe that taking Mikuni down will make all characters' and Japan's problems miraclously disappear. All after the anime team put such effords into clearly establishing that there's no correct answer to the main question of the show (future vs present, one is meaningless/non-existent without the other), that the-supposed-to-be-the-antagonist is not a bad guy by nature and has very noble intentions, and the real Big Bad is the Midas Bank... and what we got in the end is an asspull... What's the meaning of having 3 dimensions, if you end up flattening to only one?

All in all, while I'll certainly watch the last battle, if will be just for the battle itself, and not for the deeper meaning behind it, because that meaning was screwed up in this ep.
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Just 1 episode left.. shame.
Promises to be a good one though. :)
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Sugoku kakkoii, when masakaki told yoga he has a black card, I was like YEAH, go kick Mikuni's butt!!! (not that I don't like Mikuni's but ATM he is killing mirai!

I lovE those Macroflation overheated economy!

Though the battles were short, but I liked the theory behind it and makes me want to dig in more. I also wished the characters I liked with good intentions. It was a shame that the white hair girl went bankrupt hOpe she won't be erased :(

There is one thing I don't understand, maybe I didn't watch it carefully, but why did things and ppl have to disappear? I mean they already existed! Is Midas related to the string of fate or something?
 
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I like how some people were saying, "I must have missed something, I need to go back and rewatch some of the earlier episodes."
You didn't miss anything, this was badly strung together plot-wise. They intended to gloss this over with Engrish power up moves, similar to how most shonen battle stories go. But in those stories, the emphasis is on the moves, so they at least attempt to explain it. In C, they don't. And instead of Kanji, they use economic terms the average Japanese ( and English) viewer doesnt know as finishing moves. This is independent of anything real-world economy wise, just a typical move an anime studio would pull.

For those of you who don't know, there is a finite amount of resources in this world, and finite amount of money. It might be in the quintillions, but its still a finite amount. When one country gets richer, its usually at the expense of another country, or the earth (resources). It's seriously just survival of the fittest. Japan is looking out for themselves, and America is looking out for themselves. Nobody wants to be bankrupt, so to try and justify your own country as superior, correct, or righteous, is just like a frog trying to piss out of a well. It's real world consequences, versus stuff you learn in school.

Oh and in case you're not aware of it, everyone casts other countries as the villlian role. They do this to make it popular, by playing to nationalistic tendencies. Just like how America usually casts Asians as nerds. Unless its a kongfu movie. But if its a kongfu movie where the main character is a black kid, then the asians are villlians again.
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I like how some people were saying, "I must have missed something, I need to go back and rewatch some of the earlier episodes."
You didn't miss anything, this was badly strung together plot-wise. They intended to gloss this over with Engrish power up moves, similar to how most shonen battle stories go. But in those stories, the emphasis is on the moves, so they at least attempt to explain it. In C, they don't. And instead of Kanji, they use economic terms the average Japanese ( and English) viewer doesnt know as finishing moves. This is independent of anything real-world economy wise, just a typical move an anime studio would pull.

For those of you who don't know, there is a finite amount of resources in this world, and finite amount of money. It might be in the quintillions, but its still a finite amount. When one country gets richer, its usually at the expense of another country, or the earth (resources). It's seriously just survival of the fittest. Japan is looking out for themselves, and America is looking out for themselves. Nobody wants to be bankrupt, so to try and justify your own country as superior, correct, or righteous, is just like a frog trying to piss out of a well. It's real world consequences, versus stuff you learn in school.

Oh and in case you're not aware of it, everyone casts other countries as the villlian role. They do this to make it popular, by playing to nationalistic tendencies. Just like how America usually casts Asians as nerds. Unless its a kongfu movie. But if its a kongfu movie where the main character is a black kid, then the asians are villlians again.


Very well said.

The anime which is called C simply doesn't make sense. Even the title Money of Soul and Possibility Control while being very catchy with a nice rhyme to it is nothing more than a bait to lure fans in. It relies on "cool" terms that involves economics thus the "macroflation" whatever to make it sound/look deep but it's nothing more than a shallow piss on concrete.

And this. On this episode they tried to pull a magic trick as a means to solve the problems regarding their shitiness in storytelling but too bad the audience won't buy it.
 
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The idea for this show was appealing but the direction it took was a bit questionable. There seems to be a lot of thought behind the deals and rules within the Financial District. I have a feeling the writers were banking on the fact that they would receive 24 episodes this season but for some reason was cut to 11. Perhaps popularity of other shows won the bid to make a 24 episode series. In any case, everything is clearly rushed as there is some desperate attempt to wrap up this series with some decency. The past couple episodes were I admit, plot driven and action packed but again, it feels all crammed at the end with no real reason on why certain things happened; like how Jennifer or the organization she works for came up with the idea to macroinflate the economy for real. Maybe they'll explain in the finale.

If this does NOT end "happily" I'm not sure what to expect. It actually might be more interesting to see what happens to Japan once it gets eaten by that tentacle monster (what the heck is that anyway?) Sort of like a black hole mystery
 
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What's the big problem here? Jennifer and whoever are really fucking stupid. After rolling off this spiel about how we shouldn't sacrifice the future for the present or whatever hypocritical bull-crap they were spouting off, they completely destroyed the Japanese economy. Goddammit, DO YOU KNOW WHAT HYPERINFLATION DOES TO A NATION? No, it's not just another '-flation attack'... All this bull about 'let's make people lose TRUST in the Yen!' is just pathetic - not even Hitler was this cruel.

Let's take a quick spin back to Economics 101.
Hyperinflation = mass printing and distributing of currency (in this case Yen) in a short period of time = Yen becomes worthless.
Problem? Japanese people are savers - a large majority of income is typically invested or saved in the bank. It's an Asian thing, really.
Result?

You've just devastated the livelihood of tens of millions of people who have stored their life's savings in banks. You've destroyed - not just destroyed, but completely and utterly fucked over the Japanese economy. This isn't some little country with a population in the thousands. There are a hundred million people living in Japan - and not only that, people worldwide will be seriously affected, with the rise of globalism and all that capitalist crap.


re-watch the ep, seriously. It was done to devaluate the yen AND as a side effect, devaluate the midas money in japan, weakining mikunis assessts so Jen cause use her -flation and buy them (well 2). it works, except Q was to strong.

also, i think the [c] they refer to in the episode could be clearing? probably not but just an idea.

and yes, Yogas' card was always black, it just seems nobody noticed.
 
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The idea for this show was appealing but the direction it took was a bit questionable. There seems to be a lot of thought behind the deals and rules within the Financial District. I have a feeling the writers were banking on the fact that they would receive 24 episodes this season but for some reason was cut to 11. Perhaps popularity of other shows won the bid to make a 24 episode series. In any case, everything is clearly rushed as there is some desperate attempt to wrap up this series with some decency. The past couple episodes were I admit, plot driven and action packed but again, it feels all crammed at the end with no real reason on why certain things happened; like how Jennifer or the organization she works for came up with the idea to macroinflate the economy for real. Maybe they'll explain in the finale.

If this does NOT end "happily" I'm not sure what to expect. It actually might be more interesting to see what happens to Japan once it gets eaten by that tentacle monster (what the heck is that anyway?) Sort of like a black hole mystery


It's noitaminA. It's expected to be 11 episodes.

Usagi Drop will be its replacement for next season which is also of course, 11 episodes.
 
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HOLY CRAP, THIS EPISODE WAS SO FREAKING EPIC. THE FIGHTING! Plus, did it seem like the music was AMAZING too? ;O
So by devaluing the yen it will make Mikuni weaker ... but wouldn't Yoga become weaker as well? Or maybe not, who knows lol. It seems like Mashu somehow recovered from the second press use, and they defeated that guy. The "final macro attack" was really awesome *_*
Mikuni is basically trading the future for the present. Too bad he defeated Jennifer, I liked her ... and she DIED?! O_O I didn't really understand Q's abilities nor Mikuni's direct (with the red bubble with the numbers). Seems like USA is trying to take over things, with their strong economy or something? Plus lol English then Engrish :P
Was Yoga's card always black and they just never realized? :P So they can both operate the press, final battle next episode probably. I want to know about this whole "higher ups" business, maybe they're all just playing into their hands after all ... ;O
 
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Okay, you've got a pissed anime watcher here.

For the sake of god, I feel like rage-quitting so badly. Mikuni sees [C] get reflected back and thinks 'god-dammn rich America, time to roll out the money press again.' Last time he sacrificed 20 years of his life, we can presume he is sacrificing something of equivalent value this time around (case in point: Masasaki asks him if he is fine with the possibility that he will have no future left).

What's the big problem here? Jennifer and whoever are really fucking stupid. After rolling off this spiel about how we shouldn't sacrifice the future for the present or whatever hypocritical bull-crap they were spouting off, they completely destroyed the Japanese economy. Goddammit, DO YOU KNOW WHAT HYPERINFLATION DOES TO A NATION? No, it's not just another '-flation attack'... All this bull about 'let's make people lose TRUST in the Yen!' is just pathetic - not even Hitler was this cruel.

Let's take a quick spin back to Economics 101.
Hyperinflation = mass printing and distributing of currency (in this case Yen) in a short period of time = Yen becomes worthless.
Problem? Japanese people are savers - a large majority of income is typically invested or saved in the bank. It's an Asian thing, really.
Result?

You've just devastated the livelihood of tens of millions of people who have stored their life's savings in banks. You've destroyed - not just destroyed, but completely and utterly fucked over the Japanese economy. This isn't some little country with a population in the thousands. There are a hundred million people living in Japan - and not only that, people worldwide will be seriously affected, with the rise of globalism and all that capitalist crap.

Oh, but surely it can't be THAT bad right? We can just switch to the US dollar! Whoohoo~ Or maybe the Chinese Yuan, or the Euro? WELL GUESS WHAT, IT DOESN'T WORK THAT WAY.

Yes, that's right. There's no quick fix to this fucking huge problem you've created.

And the worse part of this is? Mikuni's hard work over the past years - gets completely nulled by Kimimaro's deux ex machine. 'Oh, look, guess what I found? I have a BLACK CARD too! How lucky~' Couldn't the writers pull something a bit more clever than that? Jeez.

You know what, I seriously can't be bothered to rage about the fail economics anymore.


Mikuni's hard work? He is the entre that is most responsible for the Japanese crisis.

What he has done is to borrow from the future Japan so that the present Japan can keep up with unsustainable expenses. The economy is overheating while he is running the money prints and adding fuel to the fire, which happens to be a great way to cause hyperinflation in the real world. In the C world I assume the fact that they borrow from the future keeps the inflation down, instead creating massive debts for Japan.

It is an obvious parallel to the recent bank crisis and also to the current situation in Greece. Another parallel is the fact that the earth can't sustain our resource usage, effectively sacrificing the life standard for future generations so that we can live comfortable lives.

What is needed to solve a situation like this is extreme measures to save the economy and thus the future while accepting that the present will become harsh for a while, which is what Kimimaro's "group" is trying to accomplish.

I expect them to end the series with the future being saved with heavy sacrifices. As long as they don't try to save the present for some super happy ending there shouldn't really be anything that contradicts elementary economics. It hasn't been the greatest anime series ever but I think it had a really interesting concept with great analogies to the real world.
 
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Best episode yet! The fights were amazing and looked so cool. We finally got some Macros as well which I was really looking forward to.
I also agree with an earlier post that every district probably has it's own Masakaki since each one has it's own color scheme.
I'm really looking forward to the last ep but I just can not see Mikuni as a villain. His reasons for doing what he does is reasonable. Kimimaro had is his and so does Mikuni. I don't even know how I want this to end but I'm gonna (hopefully) enjoy it!
 
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Mikuni's hard work? He is the entre that is most responsible for the Japanese crisis.

What he has done is to borrow from the future Japan so that the present Japan can keep up with unsustainable expenses. The economy is overheating while he is running the money prints and adding fuel to the fire, which happens to be a great way to cause hyperinflation in the real world. In the C world I assume the fact that they borrow from the future keeps the inflation down, instead creating massive debts for Japan.

It is an obvious parallel to the recent bank crisis and also to the current situation in Greece. Another parallel is the fact that the earth can't sustain our resource usage, effectively sacrificing the life standard for future generations so that we can live comfortable lives.

What is needed to solve a situation like this is extreme measures to save the economy and thus the future while accepting that the present will become harsh for a while, which is what Kimimaro's "group" is trying to accomplish.

I expect them to end the series with the future being saved with heavy sacrifices. As long as they don't try to save the present for some super happy ending there shouldn't really be anything that contradicts elementary economics. It hasn't been the greatest anime series ever but I think it had a really interesting concept with great analogies to the real world.


Heavy? Harsh? From what was shown it will be more than just 'heavy' and 'harsh', it'll be hell, literally hell to pay in the present.

I'm kinda getting tired of how everybody keeps chanting 'the future, the future'... what makes Kimimaro, or you for that matter, think that the future he's so obsessed with will be all shiny and bright? What exactly is he basing this belief on? I see nothing, absolutely nothing that would suggest that what the future has in store for the country in question and its people isn't one big neverending misery. In fact, what I see is that utter poverty and despair in the present lead only to more poverty and more despair in the future. Look at many developing coutries, for example.

Now, just like you said, there's not enough resources (by resources I mean money, food, etc) in the present to support all the supposed-to-be-saved-by-Kimimaro populace, those who won't be able to get enough resources to survive will be left to suffer through hell. You'll get skyrocketing crime and suicide rates, anarchy, despair, hunger and no hope for the future. We were shown that even with Mikuni's wide-scale support of social-relieving measures desperate mothers hang their children, because they couldn't afford even bare necessities for them.

If anything, painlessly disappearing/being erased from the reality is more merciful than having to go through hellish anguish of both mental and physical suffering before eventual death. And Kimimaro's approach, which basically constitutes to 'let's leave it all alone and let everything just take its course, doing nothing to change/impede it', logically dooms hundreds of thousands, maybe even millions of people to the latter option. That is in case Japan even remains on the world map after C hits it. We saw the result of that passive approach in action with Singapour and the Carribean Respublic - they disappeared off the face of Earth, for crying out loud.

All in all, while Mikuni's way of fixing things is quite terrible, Kimimaro's hasty and ill-considered one is even worse. And no other alternative was implied to exist.

And don't forget to take into account the fact, that Kimimaro's suddenly being granted the Darkness card, obviously for the purpose of defeating Mikuni, implies that his way suits the Midas Bank's goals (pure evil) better than Mikuni's.

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and yes, Yogas' card was always black, it just seems nobody noticed.
It wasn't. There're 4 types of cards:
- Normal - dark gray in color with the moon on it; this was Kimimaro's card till now.
- Gold - gold with the crescent; Jennifer's card, if I remember correctly.
- Platinum - silver in color with a skull; I remember Taketazaki having it in one of earlier eps.
- Darkness - black with that tentacle-thingy; in this ep it was said only Mikuni possesses it, but earlier, in ep.4, we saw Kikuchi having it as well. Either Kikuchi went bankrupt, or after his big loss to that fat guy his Darkness card was revoked and converted back into one of lower prestige, leaving Mikuni's the only owner of such card in the Far East Financial District. Or maybe the Guild just defeated all the black card entres, when they were collecting funds to fight off the first wave of C.
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Heavy? Harsh? From what was shown it will be more than just 'heavy' and 'harsh', it'll be hell, literally hell to pay in the present.

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I don't expect the the future to be all shiny and bright, it will take a long time before it is even possible for a decent life. However at least there will be a future. Sure you say screw future generations, lets just use all the natural resources and nuke the planet to oblivion when they run out and it might even be the logical thing to do from an egoistical perspective, but most people would think it's wrong to do that.

It isn't possible to save everyone but how long do you think Japan will last if Mikuni keeps running the money prints every other day? That's just the final step before complete collapse and once that happens everything is gone. The reason those countries disappeared from the face of the Earth is because they had no future left and the only way to stop that is to somehow return the midas money to the bank. Kimimaro's method might be hasty and the consequences will be enormous but it's the only way to save the country from disappearing.

As for the Midas bank I don't know what the goal of it is. It kind of feels like a "God is bored so he creates a game for humans to play". So why did Kimimaro's card turn black? Maybe God wanted to see if he could save the future. Another possibility is because he got another asset, when he did that he became responsible for another persons future and the black card gives you the power to control many people's futures.
 
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As for the Midas bank I don't know what the goal of it is. It kind of feels like a "God is bored so he creates a game for humans to play". So why did Kimimaro's card turn black?


Because it is MAGIC!!!

No really, it got burned by the macroflation attack thingy.
 
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So fucking retarded.
 
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My credit card could beat any of these goons.
 
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