| I've been reading the Nichijou manga ever since the anime came out. and just like Lucky star, the manga is OK at best. The anime is FAR superior to the manga for both Lucky Star and Nichijou, and even K-ON manga is nowhere near as good as K-ON anime. I've genuinely been impressed by how Kyoani can keep making popular anime from titles that NO ONE has ever heard from. So this leads me to ask: Is KyoAni the best anime studio? Is it just Otaku that have made these series so good??? Then how do you explain Clannad, FMP TSR, and Kanon. It seems that everything Kyoani does turns to gold. Of course with the exemption of ENDLESS FUCKING EIGHT....may you rot in hell!!!!! |
| well, they're butthurt when it comes to ecchi stuff like it happend in K-On Manga a few times, but aside from that I totally agree with you, they're my favourite Studio by far. |
| I'm not going to say that any studio is the 'best', because I think that there are quite a few who are better at certain things, but I do think that KyoAni are the best- or, at least one of the best- at adapting and improving source material (...other than Endless Eight, of course) |
ocathalainMay 9, 2011 8:36 AM
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| I wouldn't say the absolute best. That's the only point in your post I don't absolutely agree on. Great studio nonetheless, more power to them so long as they use it smartly. |
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| Nope. Kyoto Animation lacks diversity. Their shtick is getting really old... Can't argue about the studios artistic merits though. Kyoto Animation knows how to animate. |
KrazyKobun said: Nope. Kyoto Animation lacks diversity. Their shtick is getting really old... Can't argue about the studios artistic merits though. Kyoto Animation knows how to animate. This exactly. Best studio is P.A. Works IMHO. |
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STM said: Agreed. They like almost never dissapoint, and Hanasaku Iroha this season is so motherfucking good.KrazyKobun said: Nope. Kyoto Animation lacks diversity. Their shtick is getting really old... Can't argue about the studios artistic merits though. Kyoto Animation knows how to animate. This exactly. Best studio is P.A. Works IMHO. |
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| Anime studios are overrated imho. Just because you produce a good title doesn't mean you ALWAYS produce good titles. Everyone makes mistakes. Even Blizzard Entertainment do, even after their decade worth of development for each game they produce. Then again, I have yet to encounter an animation studio that has the same dedication to anime as Blizzard has for games. Sure, it's only better than original simply because it got animated. Many of the original works pretty much does average in the manga medium so of course you will feel it's "better" in anime. That doesn't say much about the actual content of the series. Take a very good manga series and see if you can make it better. I doubt it. Plus, Nichijou is not for everyone, it takes at least a few episodes before you can get into it..... |
wakka9caMay 9, 2011 5:31 PM
bla bla bla The endless debate between fans and haters. At one point, after spending a lot of time on MAL, you just realize it's totally pointless.Niko-kun said: On MAL, everyone who has used the lame rating system becomes a critic and an intellectual by default, haven't you heard? |
theindievisual said: Still, Gainax is definitely a better studio, JC staff has done a hell of a lot more, and even Shaft has shown off a broader and more diverse repertoire. KyoAni hasn't done anything really legendary, imo, they're just really good at making moe things for otaku to go crazy over. Gainax???? You mean the studio that trolls it's viewers by giving the most ridiculous anime endings ever??? J.C Staff has produced many hits..... However it's also produced many BAD adaptations and below average animation on it's lesser projects. Shaft has had many problems as well, they almost ruined Bakemonogatari, because they had budget problems, and they FUCKED UP on Negima.... Seriously, how do you screw up so badly on NEGIMA, how hard is it to open the manga and animate each chapter??? You guys are forgetting that it's not about quantity, it's about Quality. Kyoani only does about 1 or 2 anime each year, and it's almost always a hit or has outstanding merits in animation, voice acting, music, and other important factors. I also wanted to HIGHLIGHT the anime Kyoani has done, and how it reflects here on MAL: 2003: FMP Fumoffu (8.50 rating) (#47 on the Popularity list) 2005: Air (7.86 rating) (#50 on the Popularity list) 2005: FMP TSR (8.30 rating) (#67 on the Popularity list) 2006: Kanon (8.55 rating) (#79 on the Popularity list) 2006: Haruhi (8.44 rating) (#7 on the Popularity list) 2007: Clannad (8.60 rating) (#14 on the Popularity list) 2007: Lucky Star (8.28 rating) (#18 on the Popularity list) 2008: Clannad AS (9.10 rating) (#43 on the Popularity list) 2009: K-ON! (8.11 rating) (#28 on the Popularity list) 2010: K-ON! 2 (8.32 rating) (#121 on the Popularity list) So as you can see, Kyoani has an amazing track record here on MAL, basically ALL of their anime is HIGHLY rated and VERY POPULAR, a powerful combination that is rarely seen. Other studios have their big hits and great series too, however, I don't see ANY other anime studio that is this impressive. BTW NO, I didn't put "Haruhi 2" because that's the only blemish that Kyoani has in it's resume, and besides that, we all know that about the Endless 8 nonsense and the trolling that Kyoani did to everyone, let's just pretend it never happened. |
--ALEX--May 10, 2011 2:18 AM
| KyoAni made K-ON, automatically disqualified for best studio ever. Yes, I'm forcing my opinion, just like everyone else. Oh and, I personally like Bones, but that's just me, I guess. |
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OrochiPL said: Agreed. They like almost never dissapoint, and Hanasaku Iroha this season is so motherfucking good. Hanasaku Iroha is definitely P.A.'s best anime to date. My expectations were incredibly high and I wasn't disappointed. I love that anime. alexcampos said: <insert unnecessarily long post here> Wow, do you really think MAL's scores are that reliable? High scores on MAL and a high popularity ranking does NOT make an anime good. KyoAni is mostly a one-trick pony, they produce soppy dramas and slice-of-life comedies featuring cute teenage girls. I'm not saying they're bad, I quite enjoy their shows. I'm just saying they're starting to get repetitive and they should leave their safe zone for once. And Haruhi 2 wasn't that bad as everyone makes it out to be. Sigh Arc was absolutely splendid, but most "fans" were too butthurt to recognize its greatness. Oosran said: KyoAni made K-ON, automatically disqualified for best studio ever. Yes, I'm forcing my opinion, just like everyone else. Oh and, I personally like Bones, but that's just me, I guess. Y U LIKE BONES AFTER GOSICK I-It's not like I'm forcing my opinion on you! B-Baka! |
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STM said: By pretending that it isn't Bones.Oosran said: Y U LIKE BONES AFTER GOSICKKyoAni made K-ON, automatically disqualified for best studio ever. Yes, I'm forcing my opinion, just like everyone else. Oh and, I personally like Bones, but that's just me, I guess. I-It's not like I'm forcing my opinion on you! B-Baka! |
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Oosran said: STM said: By pretending that it isn't Bones.Oosran said: Y U LIKE BONES AFTER GOSICKKyoAni made K-ON, automatically disqualified for best studio ever. Yes, I'm forcing my opinion, just like everyone else. Oh and, I personally like Bones, but that's just me, I guess. I-It's not like I'm forcing my opinion on you! B-Baka! OU |
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STM said: Wow, do you really think MAL's scores are that reliable? High scores on MAL and a high popularity ranking does NOT make an anime good. It doesn't make sense to make that argument.... Whether you like it or not, MAL is a good "SAMPLE SIZE" of the population of casual anime fans. Think about polls in real life.....yeah they're not perfect.....they're a "SAMPLE" of the population. But guess what, they are usually pretty accurate. Popularity IS important, because it shows that your anime is watchable and re-watchable. Even if an anime is "GOOD" if it's not popular then there's a problem. For an anime studio to be GREAT, they need to excel on BOTH sides.....GREATNESS and POPULARITY. Kyoani has done that.....very efficiently, and for you guys saying that Kyoani is a "one trick pony".....you're wrong. FMP TSR (Shounen, Mecha) Haruhi (Mystery, Shounen) Clannad AS (Drama, Shoujo) Lucky Star (Slice of Life, comedy, parody) K-ON! (Comedy, Music) It seems to me they've hit on most genres except ECCHI and we all know how much MAL HATES ECCHI anime. |
--ALEX--May 10, 2011 2:37 PM
| I like how there is zero mention of Munto. You also have to factor in that the majority of KyoAni's works are adaptations of existing material that has already garnered a substantial following of their own prior. So I'll give KyoAni props for making sound marketing decisions in picking up popular works and making decent adaptations but I'd hardly call them "the best." Also, for the last several years, everything they've done after FMP (excluding Munto), has been pretty much catering to all the moe lovers. KyoAni is successful because they play it safe. They grab a bunch of popular works that has a bunch of moe moe girls and animate it knowing that the otaku will eat it all up. I can bet that in the next five years, we'll see KyoAni possibly adapting another Key work full of big eyed moe girls and more K-ON. "The best" studios IMO, needs to have the balls to make their own shit and make it succeed. Experiment with different styles and the like, not just animate what's already popular. Until they pull out some original material that can rival the likes of other recent highly praised original material like TTGL, Geass, KnK, etc., I won't be naming KyoAni as "the best studio ever." |
WasabiMay 10, 2011 6:15 PM
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| K-ON! - Overrated, although not bad. Definately nothing amazing Endless Eight - Self explanatory Lucky Star - Utter shite. Three examples of why KyoAni aren't the best studio. Yeah, their animation quality is high and they have made some impressive stuff like the first series of Haruhi and Disappearance, plus Clannad is definately worth the watch. Also, pretty much everything they've done has a school setting. Nichijou, Lucky Star, Clannad, K-ON!, Haruhi, FMA, all of their major shows are in the same damn setting. Yes, KyoAni are a decent studio, but they aren't the best. Frankly I'd put Gainax, SHAFT and Production I.G. above them, and potentially Bones as well. Hell, even with Madhouse's recent slew of terrible Marvel adaptations they've still brought way too many good things to the table to discredit them from being one of the best as well. But hey, at least they aren't Studio DEEN. |
| lol people still don't get that the concept of "which studio is the best" is overrated... Seasonreaper said: Frankly I'd put Gainax, SHAFT and Production I.G. above them, and potentially Bones [...] even with Madhouse's recent slew of terrible Marvel adaptations they've still brought way too many good things to the table to discredit them from being one of the best as well. You just named more than half of the major studios there. You just showed that each studio has their strengths and weaknesses. Some fare better than others, but that is in no way a guarantee on the quality of future productions (i.e. anyone can flop once in a while) |
bla bla bla The endless debate between fans and haters. At one point, after spending a lot of time on MAL, you just realize it's totally pointless.Niko-kun said: On MAL, everyone who has used the lame rating system becomes a critic and an intellectual by default, haven't you heard? |
| Certainly one of the top tier studios, the animation and direction in Nichijou alone make them deserving of praise, not to mention all their other top quality titles. But for me to personally rank them as the best, they need to make another epic action show. FMP TSR was really awesome, but too short and incomplete (even if they DID properly tie up the seasons storyline). In short; KyoAni need to make FMP TTR, at 26 episodes or more. Personally I think a lot of the staff has to be pretty pumped about doing action, considering how intense they make EVERYDAY SITUATIONS in Nichijou. All we can do is hope. |
alexcampos said: But Madhouse has more anime in the top 100 than KyoAni.But there's another studio/director combination that's every bit as well-received as the KyoAni/Ishihara combination (Kanon, Air, Clannad, Haruhi etc.) that you seem to love. Let's look at the anime made by combination now, shall we? 2007: Baccano! (8.75 rating) (#53 on the Popularity list) 2008: Natsume Yuujinchou (8.42 rating) (#204 on the Popularity list) 2009: Zoku Natsume Yuujinchou (8.69 rating) (#379 on the Popularity list) 2010: Durarara!! (8.68 rating) (#39 on the Popularity list) 2010: Kuragehime (8.42 rating) (#550 on the Popularity list) That's the scores for all of the anime made by Brains Base with Omori Takahiro as director. The combination obviously isn't as popular (how many people know Brains Base as a studio, and not just the anime they make, anyway?) as the Kyoto Animation one, but it's a lot more consistent, with not a single anime made by them being rated below 8.40, while Air (since I'm only counting Ishihara-directed anime) had a measly score of 7.96. Admittedly, that was his first job as director (Takahiro was already highly experienced as a director when he joined Brains Base). It is also worth noting that Tatsuya Ishihara worked under Omori Takahiro quite a bit back in their early days with Pierrot (of all studios) on anime like Fancy Lala and Aka-chan to Boku, so Ishihara would have probably learned a lot about directing anime from him as a result. And for the record, some selected Brains Base titles which weren't directed by Omori Takahiro: 2005: Kamichu! (7.71 rating) (#684 on the Popularity list) 2008: Kure-nai (7.85 rating) (#347 on the Popularity list) 2009: Denpa Teki na Kanojo (8.18 rating) (#556 on the Popularity list) (derp) 2009: Spice and Wolf II (8.45 rating) (#159 on the Popularity list) (to be compared with TSR due to being a LN adaptation studio switch between the first and second season) |
Rosa_FOEtidaMay 12, 2011 3:54 AM
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| Bones. |
| In terms of actual animation, I don't think there should be any doubt in Kyoto Animations position. They're easily the best. They can do everything and they can do it well. That doesn't mean that the shows that they animate are the best though. K-On!, while good, does not have enough substance to be called one of the best. The animation stands out in the show. Nichijou is the same, while it is one of the best comedy anime I've seen personally, it isn't one of the best anime ever. However, they have proven that they can do amazing work. Clannad + Clannad ~AS~ follow Kyoto Animations usual cuter style, but have a ton of substance and emotion. Clannad ~After Story~ is generally seen as one of the best anime ever created by a large amount of people, so that puts things into perspective. They have also proven they stand firm on action ground. Full Metal Panic TSR, parts of Air and even the parts of Haruhi that were action-oriented are very well handled. However, in terms of actual animation quality, this goes to Kyoto Animation for sure. They animate everything perfectly. The standards are very high too, all of their shows generally do well and they are vital to anime as entertainment. |
PsychodrakeMay 15, 2011 6:45 AM
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| SHAFT is best. Kyoto Animation is second. |
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| Hell yeah! But I <3 love Madhouse......and Bones......and P.A. works. I like anything besides Deen. |
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| I'll give you that KyoAni is probably the animation studio with the most consistent quality. If something is from KyoAni you can pretty much guarantee that it'll be at least pretty good. I can't say the same for any other studio. However, I wouldn't call them the best. Their material lacks true variety which shows an unwillingness to take risks. |
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| Kyoto has done a lot of great anime and it is one of my favorite anime studio. Other than Bones, Sunrise, Shaft, Toei, and Gainax. Personally, I love Deen as well, but their animation alone is not the greatest, only their artwork on it.. It's just that most of my favorite anime are produced from Studio Deen. (ex: Fruits Basket, Hakuouki, Vampire Knight, Junjou Romantica) |
| Nope. Their animation is amazing, I'm not going to deny that, but half of their series (K-ON, Clannad, Air, Kanon, and of course Haruhi's E8) is mediocre at best. Brains Base ftw. |
| personally, i don't have any "best studio" preference... i don't usually look at the studio when picking up a show, anyway.. well, if we're talking about how good a studio adapts a source material, i can't tell who does well, as i rarely read manga/LN anyway.. though i'm pretty sure JC Staff sucks at this one.. for animation quality meanwhile, a lot of studios are good... though i'd say Bones has so far the best i've seen... anyway, since we're in a thread supposedly related to Nichijou, i'd say KyoAni did quite a good job here... i'm enjoying the show, and i guess that's what really matters... |
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| KyoAni is definitely a studio company worth praising for. Yeah they made K-ON! and Haruhi, which has a lot of haters, but they are successful franchises. Besides these shows, KyoAni has made great anime that everyone enjoys. Kanon, Clannad, and Air for those who are into romance/drama animes. Full Metal Panic for all the action types. And the rest for comedy (Lucky Star, Nichijou) I believe everyone has a show from KyoAni that they like and its based on that note that KyoAni has been successful. Also this is coming from a guy who watches most of their works. And I have to say all of them are really good. Everytime I watch one of their shows, it just gets me interested. Iono how they do it, but they have the chemistry to make shows that appeal to me. I mean there are other animation companies out there that I respect (A-1 pictures for right now because of AnoHana) but I think when it comes to success, KyoAni takes the cake. They have made such great works in anime and I don't think they will have a miss for quite a while. |
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| No, there are many other studios I prefer over Kyoto Animation. Most of the anime they make just don't appeal to me, that does not mean they are a bad studio, I haven't watched enough of the anime they produced to come to a conclusion like that. Studios I prefer: Madhouse, Production IG, Bones. btw love the guys who say that every studio has made some bad anime too like they just discovered the ultimate truth or something, saying this about studios is like saying that if it rains and you go outside you will get wet. |
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alexcampos said: Of course with the exemption of ENDLESS FUCKING EIGHT....may you rot in hell!!!!! You're a butthurt when you talk about Endless Eight. And yes, I'm a troll. |
| There is like 2 weeks delay in my recent reading list I randomly bought discount/second hand manga with cute/mysterious cover.  Use Personal Blacklist extension in Chrome if you just want to Google for a series synopsis, without google slapping MAL score in it. 3/1 |
| I still find that Idea Factory are the best. Followed by KyoAni, GAINAX and Bones. |
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| I really love KyoAni works! that's it! |
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| I think the best is Sunrise, responsible for Gundam, Planetes, Outlaw Star, GaoGaiGar and Cowboy Bebop, the creators of the latter would later form their own studio called Bones, which comes second, creators of both FMA and FMA: Brotherhood and RahXephon. Afterwards comes Kyoto, my favourite anime from that studio is FMP: Fumoffu. |
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| KyoAni is my Favorite. But I think Madhouse is consistent and better. |
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