Metaler said: It's not a ban, people. It's a restriction, it'll be something akin to what the ESRB does for games, which is ratings. You people are falling under Sankaku Complex's sensationalism, you know that? Jesus... This whole ordeal reminds me of the idiots who watch Fox News PRESIDENT OBAMA IS A SECRET KENYAN MUSLIM TERRORIST...IT MUST BE TRUE, SAW IT ON FOX NEWS |
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Lefake said: Curse you Ishihara! >:( Now where am I supopse to get my incest related content? That's my thought!!! |
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kaminakun said: Lefake said: Curse you Ishihara! >:( Now where am I supopse to get my incest related content? That's my thought!!! This is why someone should scantilate the Baby Princess light novels which are Ishihara proof. |
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bergil said: The title of the thread is misleading.The Aki-Sora manga is already completed what's discontinued is the PRINTINGS OF THE MANGA VOLUMES.Manga's itself has ended in the 25th volume of Champion RED Ichigo magazine on April 5. Also there is still possibility that the manga volumes will be published with an adults-only stamp. You can read the full (and true) news here : http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2011-04-21/2-aki-sora-manga-books-to-no-longer-be-printed-after-july This. i guess Sankaku over-exaggerates things once again? Metaler said: And the content wasn't banned entirely. It was restriced: it must not be shown to teens and children. Just like how you can't show blood and gore to kids in videogames. That's why stuff like M and 18+ ratings exist. i think we all know its very hard to get your stuff to sell when it gets stamped with the 18+ logo. sure there are some but it probably won't be enough to motivate the authors to continue working on their stories. Cashdaxxx said: dtshyk said: lol...Incest Manga was important? xDHe said it's a great loss for the manga culture that one of the motifs has been banned as a result of the Tokyo's ordinance. actually not just manga..literature since Heian already touched on the incestuous theme..just took a course on Japanese literature and and like half of the stuff talked about it lol. imo ishihara's just using this to eliminate the otaku culture given his sexual novels are not in effect >_> |
| Not that I've read Aki sora, but it's stupid to see it being discontinued due to it's contents... I hate that something like this is able to happen. |
Onibokusu said: I understand the situation completely.Every post in this thread is hilarious. Half the posters don't understand the bill, and the other half are backing incestuous relations being marketed to Under 18s. The question is would something with a high-quality plot and/or genuine artistic merit but little in the way of actual sex sell if it was labelled in the same way as a generic hentai. If it doesn't, then we can say bye-bye to anything that is even slightly controversial, because manga publishers are only interested in money and will refuse to publish things that probably won't sell. Something like Aki-Sora can survive this, but those are not the kinds of series I am concerned about I'm more concerned about series like Koi Kaze and Bokurano. Do you think that Narutaru or Bokurano would have sold well enough to have anime adaptations if they had a 18+ label stuck on them along with the kids on the cover, thus implying that they were child pornography as a result? I certainly don't, and that is where the problem with this ordinance bill lies. |
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ariapokoteng said: Keep thinking that way and they'll go for something you like...And nothing of value was lost. Agreed. |
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| I LOL'D. Aki-Sora was just a sex romp, anyway. TIP OF THE HAT TO YA. |
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Gogetters said: ariapokoteng said: Keep thinking that way and they'll go for something you like...And nothing of value was lost. Agreed. Ishihara wants to destroy everything otaku and gaming related, maybe instead of a manga you like, he may go for a game you like next, do not say nothing of value is lost if Ishihara is to blame (even indirectly), because he will make sure you lose everything of value even if it takes 30 years. |
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dtshyk said: He said it's a great loss for the manga culture that one of the motifs has been banned as a result of the Tokyo's ordinance. I don't know if I call it culture, but I don't like the ban, just publish it online and charge? |
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bergil said: Also there is still possibility that the manga volumes will be published with an adults-only stamp. You can read the full (and true) news here : http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2011-04-21/2-aki-sora-manga-books-to-no-longer-be-printed-after-july Well, who knows, on the same article the author mentions that "these volumes do not meet the criteria for an adults-only stamp". I wonder, are the mangas that don't apply to get an "adults-only stamp" gonna be left censored completely? NietonoNoNani said: Incest or not. This is against Freedom of Expression. |
Onibokusu said: Wah! What are we going to post on the forums? *Pomf*Every post in this thread is hilarious. Half the posters don't understand the bill, and the other half are backing incestuous relations being marketed to Under 18s. Interesting point for someone with an avatar from a loli incest doujin. Also, what's not to understand about the bill? The printing for two of the volumes has been stopped. there's nothing to understand there, you don't even need to know about the law, that's the fact. I care the fuck not, if the manga has incest, rape, serial killers murdering and raping little girls so they can sell their tears on the black market, or whatever. If all the shounen, full of kids killing each other, can be sold. Why can't this be sold without the need of the 18+ stamp? It's just an excuse to try an eliminate these types of manga. |
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| And so it begins. I knew it. I thought this bill was "not going to affect manga nor anime" as some of you people said? |
| is these mean candyboy manga will stop to and what about "Seikon no Qwaser II" and is these will stop H-manga |
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Hoppy said: Gogetters said: ariapokoteng said: Keep thinking that way and they'll go for something you like...And nothing of value was lost. Agreed. Ishihara wants to destroy everything otaku and gaming related, maybe instead of a manga you like, he may go for a game you like next, do not say nothing of value is lost if Ishihara is to blame (even indirectly), because he will make sure you lose everything of value even if it takes 30 years. Again, nothing of value was lost. |
almozayaf said: is these mean candyboy manga will stop to and what about "Seikon no Qwaser II" and is these will stop H-manga Qwasar could easily get an 18 stamp Candy Boy is yuri (gets banned instantly) Hentai anything and light novels such as Index and Baby Princess are not affected. |
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| WTF IS THIS SHIT??? First, they cancelled the printing of the past volumes and now they cancel the manga itself!!!!! This is too much. D:< FUKC YOU ISHIHARA IMMA MURDER YOU TONIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! D:<<<<<<<<<<<< |
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hazama said: WTF IS THIS SHIT??? First, they cancelled the printing of the past volumes and now they cancel the manga itself!!!!! This is too much. D:< FUKC YOU ISHIHARA IMMA MURDER YOU TONIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! D:<<<<<<<<<<<< Take a chill pill ,kiddo. Nobody is cancelling the manga.Read the news more carefully and turn off your caps lock. |
Hoppy said: Yeah, these people are walking on a nice slippery slope, and have no idea of what's at stake here.Gogetters said: ariapokoteng said: Keep thinking that way and they'll go for something you like...And nothing of value was lost. Agreed. Ishihara wants to destroy everything otaku and gaming related, maybe instead of a manga you like, he may go for a game you like next, do not say nothing of value is lost if Ishihara is to blame (even indirectly), because he will make sure you lose everything of value even if it takes 30 years. First they came for Aki-Sora, and I didn't speak out because I'm not into incest. Then they came for general hentai, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't into any kind of hentai. Then they came for the Seikon no Kwaser, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't into ecchi. Then they came for anything with fanservice and there was no one left to speak out for me. |
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Hoppy said: Gogetters said: ariapokoteng said: Keep thinking that way and they'll go for something you like...And nothing of value was lost. Agreed. Ishihara wants to destroy everything otaku and gaming related, maybe instead of a manga you like, he may go for a game you like next, do not say nothing of value is lost if Ishihara is to blame (even indirectly), because he will make sure you lose everything of value even if it takes 30 years. So basically it's the Reagan years except with neckbeards and plastic figures instead of hippies and drugs then? |
| the thread deserves to be renamed to "ISHIHARA HATE THREAD".. otherwise, please just lock it.. |
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Onibokusu said: It's like you don't know that there'll be a label along with the 18+ rating stating as to why it is 18+, as is standard with absolutely every rating system on Earth. Stop trying to make it look like you understand the situation, when you actually don't. er so what exactly are you trying to imply. i have yet to see you mention any knowledgeable insights on this topic other than being all arrogant and looking down on other people, disrespecting their thoughts. if you don't agree with them, stop trolling and make an argument. |
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seiyuu said: Manga Aki-Sora To Be Discontinued Due to Incestuous Contents What's there to misunderstand? funny you said that yourself lol. i'll re-quote the comment for ya bergil said: The title of the thread is misleading.The Aki-Sora manga is already completed what's discontinued is the PRINTINGS OF THE MANGA VOLUMES.Manga's itself has ended in the 25th volume of Champion RED Ichigo magazine on April 5. Also there is still possibility that the manga volumes will be published with an adults-only stamp. You can read the full (and true) news here : http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2011-04-21/2-aki-sora-manga-books-to-no-longer-be-printed-after-july Aki-Sora's not really going to be discontinued yet (although it's heading there), just that volumes 1 & 3 won't be reprinted. |
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bergil said: Aki Sora is completed so it can't possibly be discontinued. BTW, how many volumes of Aki Sora are there? I'm only up to about chap 25 and I couldn't find more. |
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bergil said: Aki Sora is completed so it can't possibly be discontinued. i meant discontinuing in the sense of reprinting. Lefake said: bergil said: Aki Sora is completed so it can't possibly be discontinued. BTW, how many volumes of Aki Sora are there? I'm only up to about chap 25 and I couldn't find more. currently 5. 6th one (also the last) is going to be released on may 20th |
| Don't care since its not my couple of tea anyways although I might read it for the lols. Besides if the bill goes after works that have huge fanbases like Naruto, Bleach, or One Piece for example I doubt the manga publishers are just going to sit down and let that faggot Ishihara do what he wants. |
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Onibokusu said: Well, yes, but that label will probably say something like "contains sex/nudity involving children", because it does contain some, with the first example in Bokurano being in Mako's character arc, but it isn't explicit and only plays a minor role in the story. Will the label account for that? Probably not.Do you think that Narutaru or Bokurano would have sold well enough to have anime adaptations if they had a 18+ label stuck on them along with the kids on the cover, thus implying that they were child pornography as a result? It's like you don't know that there'll be a label along with the 18+ rating stating as to why it is 18+, as is standard with absolutely every rating system on Earth. Stop trying to make it look like you understand the situation, when you actually don't. Also, you are forgetting about sales restrictions. Any manga with this rating will be treated in the same way as a NC-17 movie or an AO video game in that sales and advertisment of such series will be severely restricted, even if the content would only be severe enough to justify a R or a M rating in those systems I mentioned, which would almost certainly be the case for something like Koi Kaze, if not Bokurano/Narutaru. I'm not advocating the sale of such manga to children, but the stigma that would be attached to a manga with such a rating would probably be great enough for it to take a nose-dive in sales from adults too, regardless of its artistic merit. Yeah, some adults are uptight that they refuse to buy any "porn", regardless of whether it is actually porn or using less explicit version of themes found in porn for the sake of artistic merit. Let's not forget that some times, true art is offensive, although I admit that that isn't really an argument for putting things on general sale since everything is subjective, but still... BrickBreak said: Except that they won't come for general hentai because they are already under these 18+ restrictions, and rightly so. They mostly exist to get the viewer sexually excited. They know who they are targeting and there is no reason why they should be sold where children could see them.Then they came for general hentai, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't into any kind of hentai. |
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Onibokusu said: Well, it looks like we have some common ground at least. Now that we have established that implied sex or nudity perhaps shouldn't make something 18+ on its own, I can now get to the point.FOE-tan said: "contains sex/nudity involving children", because it does contain some, with the first example in Bokurano being in Mako's character arc, but it isn't explicit and only plays a minor role in the story. Will the label account for that? Probably not. There's a difference between 'minor', 'implied' and 'explicit'. 'Involving children' wouldn't even be brought up, it'd most likely state 'may contain mild nudity', but only on said volume it appears it. It'd hardly make it hit the 18+ rating. It may not be (and probably isn't) the main intention of the bill to do this, but as a side effect of its enforcement, publishers will probably start to be a lot more cautious about what they publish as a result, and any manga that could provoke the slightest bit of controversy due to child nudity or implied sex involving children will probably get rejected or watered down when it probably shouldn't be. That's the main point I have been trying to get across. Take it or leave it. If you disagree, fine. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, and that is mine. But really, only time will tell how this bill affects the industry. |
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| Oh. Then the thread should be 'Aki-Sora Manga Reprints To Be DiscontinuedDue to Incestuous Contents' >.> so misleading. Anyways, if those last prints got through the internet then I guess there's no problem. |
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MadDogV2 said: Hoppy said: Gogetters said: ariapokoteng said: Keep thinking that way and they'll go for something you like...And nothing of value was lost. Agreed. Ishihara wants to destroy everything otaku and gaming related, maybe instead of a manga you like, he may go for a game you like next, do not say nothing of value is lost if Ishihara is to blame (even indirectly), because he will make sure you lose everything of value even if it takes 30 years. So basically it's the Reagan years except with neckbeards and plastic figures instead of hippies and drugs then? Pretty much sums it all up. |
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FOE-tan said: BrickBreak said: Except that they won't come for general hentai because they are already under these 18+ restrictions, and rightly so. They mostly exist to get the viewer sexually excited. They know who they are targeting and there is no reason why they should be sold where children could see them.Then they came for general hentai, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't into any kind of hentai. I know, I just couldn't think of anything else to put in that second line. I knew it was incorrect, but I didn't had an intermediate example: it's not like I'm properly into these genres, I'm just seeing the whole picture. I just had to post that quote, because that is exactly what is going to happen. If we give Ishihara an inch, he'll take that and then some. |
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FOE-tan said: Very well said, I think you share the same view I do in regards to the bill. The bill itself isn't banning the sale of anime or manga but it may lead to publishers censoring and/or discontinuing a lot of projects due to the increased risk in sales. Let's not forget they aren't just sticking a rating on the product. The 18+ rating would also mean that the product is immediately banned from family stores or any place where kids can easily access them. Esentially they would be sold alongside hentai as if they were one and the same.Onibokusu said: Well, it looks like we have some common ground at least. Now that we have established that implied sex or nudity perhaps shouldn't make something 18+ on its own, I can now get to the point.FOE-tan said: "contains sex/nudity involving children", because it does contain some, with the first example in Bokurano being in Mako's character arc, but it isn't explicit and only plays a minor role in the story. Will the label account for that? Probably not. There's a difference between 'minor', 'implied' and 'explicit'. 'Involving children' wouldn't even be brought up, it'd most likely state 'may contain mild nudity', but only on said volume it appears it. It'd hardly make it hit the 18+ rating. It may not be (and probably isn't) the main intention of the bill to do this, but as a side effect of its enforcement, publishers will probably start to be a lot more cautious about what they publish as a result, and any manga that could provoke the slightest bit of controversy due to child nudity or implied sex involving children will probably get rejected or watered down when it probably shouldn't be. That's the main point I have been trying to get across. Take it or leave it. If you disagree, fine. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, and that is mine. But really, only time will tell how this bill affects the industry. Also, many people tend to forget it but the bill isn't judging adult material just things dealing with sexuality. It lumps a lot of things under a vague term which esentially allows them to pick and choose what topics are "dangerous" for children. It is very similar to the law they tried to pass in California where they ALSO wanted to judge deviant games and the justices pretty much said "so what do you consider deviant" because the word is not clear cut. Everyone has a different opinion of what is deviant or dangerous. |
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