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Apr 20, 2011 5:19 PM

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THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE.
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I like how the story was told, although one may consider it as a typical josei where the touch of realism was there. Yep, I went along with the ending. I think it's better than a happy ending that we usually expect in most stories.

If she stayed and got married with Hisao, my guess that she might also regret it. After all, her plan/dream was to go out of that town and not be like what her sister did (graduate, got married, and stayed in that place).

Hmm, I thought about her gluttonous tendency at night. Since she's doing that, I think that she should at least clean her mess after the act. Even so, I sympathize for her and her husband also. Both were at fault. Her husband for being silent about it prolly not to create a fight or simply don't care for her anymore. Ah yes, her husband prolly knew that the child was not his, so he went to have a affair of his own.

When she went to visit Hisao with her son, I like what she did. She lied about the exact age of her son knowing that Hisao was married. She was also careful not touch Hisao's finger when he handed the pastry bag to her.

Ah sorry for the messed up comments. Anyway, that was good for a short or one shot show.

BTW, what do you think will Hisao do if she answered no when Hisao asked her if she's happy? I have few assumptions myself but I'd like to hear yours? ^_^
 
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Apr 21, 2011 8:11 AM

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That was a very good special t_t..

Poor Hisao I think the kid was his son 0_o..

As for the question I think he would divorce his wife and go with her t^t

 
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Apr 21, 2011 7:20 PM

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Amazingly well executed. For the short length it was, I was amazed. Definitely one of the better anime out there.

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Yeah, this anime had so many small details in it,

Like when she and Hisao are walking alongside the river before she is about to leave for Tokyo: she first walks behind him, then starts to speed up and ends up walking in front of him not looking back until Hisao has already taken another route. They were propably just each returning to their own house at that time, but it was such a nice analogy to their situation.

This was honestly the first time when I noticed that details like these can offer you a much more richer watching experience. (Hence the urge to write up my first review)
 
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Maskonna said:
Poor Hisao I think the kid was his son 0_o..
Yes he was Hisao's son. That was the whole point...


I think Hisao realized that she was lying about hertheir son's age, hence why he asked her if she was happy after. His lingering hands after she takes the bag was a sad scene; he was expecting her to slightly touch him like before.

Anime like this is why I still watch anime. The story was told wonderfully and I really enjoyed it. 9/10
 
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I think Hisao realized that she was lying about hertheir son's age, hence why he asked her if she was happy after. His lingering hands after she takes the bag was a sad scene; he was expecting her to slightly touch him like before.
Right on spot.


"A Legend is but a tale of a beautiful lie."
 
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Apr 24, 2011 7:28 AM

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That was amazing. There should really be more anime like this rather than all the moe/ecchi stuff we get every season.
 
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Apr 28, 2011 11:06 AM

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It turned out to be better than what I was expecting. I liked it a lot!
 
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Naruleach said:
Maskonna said:
Poor Hisao I think the kid was his son 0_o..
Yes he was Hisao's son. That was the whole point...


I think Hisao realized that she was lying about hertheir son's age, hence why he asked her if she was happy after. His lingering hands after she takes the bag was a sad scene; he was expecting her to slightly touch him like before.

Anime like this is why I still watch anime. The story was told wonderfully and I really enjoyed it. 9/10


This. Beautiful story... she will ache for him the rest of her life.... 9/10
 
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That chick's a WHORE! Her wedding was in three mounths and yet she goes and bangs her highschool love interest? Now,that's slutty! I mean...ok,she loves him...but then why did she decide to marry that other guy? And why didn't she accept Hisao's offer and stay? She wanted more from life? She didn't want to be just a housewife in her small hometown? Not like her sister - "a plain woman whom no one would notice" was it?
In the end,everything that's left from her big pretensions are a ruined marriage and a kid who will never know his real father. Good Job !!! WHOOOOOORE

Maybe I'm looking at it from a wrong angle but I just can't see that story as a very beautiful one.Rather,to me it's more of a reminder of how women shouldn't be trusted completely.

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That chick's a WHORE! Her wedding was in three mounths and yet she goes and bangs her highschool love interest? Now,that's slutty! I mean...ok,she loves him...but then why did she decide to marry that other guy? And why didn't she accept Hisao's offer and stay? She wanted more from life? She didn't want to be just a housewife in her small hometown? Not like her sister - "a plain woman whom no one would notice" was it?
In the end,everything that's left from her big pretensions are a ruined marriage and a kid who will never know his real father. Good Job !!! WHOOOOOORE

It would be great if life would be that simple, but emotions and motivation are complex things.
Like you said we never saw the circumstances of her marriage and judging her past choice biased on the (not forseeable) outcome of her relationship and her life is a rather harsh thing to do.

She was attracted to Hisao and even if she considered staying with him being the right choice - there are times in ones life where it is indefinitely hard to make this choice because your worries or hopes outweigh it.

I think the story was beautifully told - we all struggle with life to achieve at least a little bit of happiness and I believe her life and future is not as bleak as some see it.
 
Aug 1, 2011 8:26 PM

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just beautiful i loved it
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Aug 26, 2011 3:24 PM

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Didn't pay attention to the file size, or total time, so was hoping it would be longer than that. Half an hour very well spent, lovely story. Life can be a bitch.
 
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An incredibly nuanced portrayal of the complexities involved in modern life and relationships. The short length made the story all the more poignant and the heroine's internal conflicts all the more real. A lovely little gem.

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That chick's a WHORE!

I take my hat off to your clueless misogyny, ChaosLegion. It must have taken you a while to come up with such an intelligent response to this work. One would hope you didn't strain yourself too much.
 
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missdeep said:
An incredibly nuanced portrayal of the complexities involved in modern life and relationships. The short length made the story all the more poignant and the heroine's internal conflicts all the more real. A lovely little gem.

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That chick's a WHORE!

I take my hat off to your clueless misogyny, ChaosLegion. It must have taken you a while to come up with such an intelligent response to this work. One would hope you didn't strain yourself too much.


Well in all due respect, ChoasLegion does seem to have a point. He may state his opinion in a crude form but it seems he has a point regardless. Saying assumptions such as the main character is dealing with a complexity isn't entirely correct, humans in general are pretty simple creatures, to think of emotion as something complex is a bit too "superior thinking" if that makes sense. The main character acted very irrationally, having intercourse just because she had an urge to (while engaged) is not in any sense understandable, not even if it was a highschool crush 10 years ago. She's a "whore/slut/whatever" due to her inability to make a decision, bent sense of loyalty, and selfishness of wanting the best of both worlds. She brings it upon herself with her selfishness on acting on sexual impulse. In crude terms, she was in "premarital heat" who couldn't hold her "nether region"..

tl;dr: Cheating is not ok! Marriage on a lie is even worse! Idk if having an illegitimate child without the others knowledge (both hisao and her husband) is the icing or really a whole separate cake. All with a reason of I felt like succumbing to urges and not following through? Its not like she was forced to make the wrong decision, she had a choice and literally chose every wrong decision. Crudely "whore" character indeed.

Though I gave the series an 7 ^_^ Lovely artwork and music, plus finally some realism.. no moeblobin >.>;
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ChaosLegion said:
to me it's more of a reminder of how women shouldn't be trusted completely.

LOL credibility gone
 
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slut
 
Apr 3, 2012 5:45 AM

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Wow that was short, I didn't feel the 25 minutes pass by. Too bad the kid didn't know his real father yet.

Lieila said:
Hmm, I thought about her gluttonous tendency at night. Since she's doing that, I think that she should at least clean her mess after the act.


Looks like the symptoms of bulimia nervosa but I could be wrong. I agree with you though she should at least should have cleaned up after. That and "giving in" to her sexual urges to somebody three months before her wedding somehow makes her irresponsible in my perception.

Anyway I still liked this for the realism, life's pretty complicated sometimes that you may not really know what's gonna happen to you next.
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I didn't think that 25 minutes would be so beautiful.
The bittersweet ending killed me in the end, but the dabbling into sorrow and glimpses of happiness made for an amazing watch.
 
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tofei said:
Wow that was short, I didn't feel the 25 minutes pass by. Too bad the kid didn't know his real father yet.

Lieila said:
Hmm, I thought about her gluttonous tendency at night. Since she's doing that, I think that she should at least clean her mess after the act.


Looks like the symptoms of bulimia nervosa but I could be wrong. I agree with you though she should at least should have cleaned up after. That and "giving in" to her sexual urges to somebody three months before her wedding somehow makes her irresponsible in my perception.

That was the first thing I thought of, bulimia nervosa. And considering her mental state cleaning up after purging herself was not in her mind. He mental state was compromised when she did have that one night affair and illegitimate child.
This also filled in why her husband cared more about work than her. I bet it didn't take long for him to know that the child wasn't his and decided that he'd rather be at work than with her. Add all these things up and you get one messed up life. The one thing she did mention was the possibility of a divorce. Seems that could be another bad choice since how Hisio is now married with his own family, so that door is now closed. I would hate to think that somehow they (esp. her) would choose to mess up another family with an affair.

Anyway I still liked this for the realism, life's pretty complicated sometimes that you may not really know what's gonna happen to you next.
That's why I like slice-of-life animes. It shows life isn't scripted with an opening, climax and happy ending. The decisions we make now could come back years later and some effect on us or others.
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Siva said:
Naruleach said:
I think Hisao realized that she was lying about hertheir son's age, hence why he asked her if she was happy after. His lingering hands after she takes the bag was a sad scene; he was expecting her to slightly touch him like before.
Right on spot.

Good catch. Love those subtle little moments. My favorite is around 2:30-2:40 when, from the car window, she catches a nostalgic glimpse of a young couple.
 
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I wasn't expecting anything THIS good, but yet it surpriesed me.
I really liked this anime, the art and the cure of details.. perfect.
Kinda short but very beautiful.

Naruleach said:
I think Hisao realized that she was lying about hertheir son's age, hence why he asked her if she was happy after. His lingering hands after she takes the bag was a sad scene; he was expecting her to slightly touch him like before.


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Like when she and Hisao are walking alongside the river before she is about to leave for Tokyo: she first walks behind him, then starts to speed up and ends up walking in front of him not looking back until Hisao has already taken another route. They were propably just each returning to their own house at that time, but it was such a nice analogy to their situation.


Indeed. those, and many others, are the details i talk about. I liked really much the cure for all those details.
Also, i agree with the ones who say that life isn't like a movie, all simple and predictable, is quite complicated actually.
I was, myself, hoping in a happy ending, but to be honest that bitter ending was more real-like, as happy ending in life are quite rare, sadly.
When she swallowed the pain inside herself, and replied him she was happy, she finally did a responsible choice, not to wanting to ruin his family as well and accepting the fact that she wont be happy, despite all of us are always searching at least a bit of happiness.

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BTW, what do you think will Hisao do if she answered no when Hisao asked her if she's happy? I have few assumptions myself but I'd like to hear yours? ^_^


I think he would've felt somewhat responsible and sad for her.. I think he would've felt even a tiny "guilty" for not trying to stop her going to america more than once :/
Tho i dont think he would've eventually divorced by his wife for her, even if it was clear that those two protagonists were in love for eachother.
But, maybe..just maybe, in the "happiest scenery" his wedding wasn't going very well either and then he would've left his wife for our protagonist. Just, this is not what usually happens in life :|

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That was amazing. There should really be more anime like this rather than all the moe/ecchi stuff we get every season.


^THAT. i couldn't agree more. So damn true.


 
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Ahhh, this story was wonderful. I can't believe I put off watching it for so long!

It's nice to see a story that provides an in-depth look into basic human relationships. What Noriko did to Hisao and her husband was a terrible thing, but it was good to see that she seemed to have remorse over the matter. It's saddening that Motoki will probably never know his actual father, but at the same time it would be very difficult for Hisao if he were to find out after so much time has passed. I agree with some of the others' posts; I feel as though Hisao probably had an idea that Motoki was his son, but at this point there is little he can do about it. He could confront Noriko, but that would undoubtedly cause conflict in both of their relationships.

Poor Noriko. She was young and thought she knew what she wanted, and she saw her husband as her was to escape the town and her previous life. I think it would be very difficult to live with that decision, but despite everything, she has Motoki by her side, at least.

My primary worry with the ending is that, with the way things were left with Hisao, I almost fear that Noriko would choose to not divorce her husband in the end. It's not that I think she expected anything from meeting Hisao again, or that she wanted to leave her husband for him (obviously not the case). But maybe the situation might cause her to rethink moving back home, and that she should stick it out with her husband a little while longer. Who knows, I suppose.

Either way, fantastic story. I really wish there was more anime out there with similar feelings and perspectives.
 
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Wow, that was amazing. It's sad how this short is so underrated. The hints towards Motoki being Hisao's son were great; I loved the woman's quick reaction. What a beautiful story. I'm glad there was no cheesy happy ending.
 
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Most interesting part was how she describes a cliche dysfunctional marriage then it turns out it might be quite her fault but I'm not sure the story demonstrates an awareness of that.
 
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Naruleach said:
I think Hisao realized that she was lying about her their son's age, hence why he asked her if she was happy after. His lingering hands after she takes the bag was a sad scene; he was expecting her to slightly touch him like before.
The bakery scene was well executed. I honestly loved this one shot. I wasn't quite sure what to expect, but came out with a sad, lingering feeling. They nailed the bittersweet ending.
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Ahhh, this story was wonderful. I can't believe I put off watching it for so long!


so am i...

love how it end...
 
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That chick's a WHORE! Her wedding was in three mounths and yet she goes and bangs her highschool love interest? Now,that's slutty! I mean...ok,she loves him...but then why did she decide to marry that other guy? And why didn't she accept Hisao's offer and stay? She wanted more from life? She didn't want to be just a housewife in her small hometown? Not like her sister - "a plain woman whom no one would notice" was it?
In the end,everything that's left from her big pretensions are a ruined marriage and a kid who will never know his real father. Good Job !!! WHOOOOOORE

Maybe I'm looking at it from a wrong angle but I just can't see that story as a very beautiful one.Rather,to me it's more of a reminder of how women shouldn't be trusted completely.

Your post made me disappointed, since you've managed to totally miss and ignore the beautiful point of this piece. To enjoy this, you have to be able to sympathise with the protagonist, and if you can't it's either because you're too young, too inexperienced or too heartless.

Yes, this woman was unfaithful (or as you put it, whoring) one. single. time. Instead of stopping there, and go on a total rampage because of this point, you're meant to ask why she did this?

People make choices through life, and since no one is perfect, one's choices aren't necessarily perfect either. She had to leave her hometown, that was her big dream. She didn't want to be one of the people that blend in with the cityscape. That, she had always believed, and in retrospect, it might have been a shallow dream, but who is to judge? Her belief wavers when she becomes pregnant with a coworker and it still doesn't feel right. She becomes insecure of what she wants. Didn't she want this? She's living her dream life, yet she isn't happy? When she meets her old crush in her hometown, while saying goodbye to her parents, she ends up succumbing to her pressure, and seeks what might have given her happiness. Afterwards she makes a choice to ignore him after all and she leaves. Was that the right choice? For her, at that moment, the force of her dream was stronger, but when she looks back, she feels that her dream was a lie. Her dream didn't bring her happiness (well, at least that's how I interpret it).

We don't know what will make us happy, but we keep going, fumbling for that thing which will save us. Some are luckier than others, but I believe that it is a part of growing up to feel a sense of loss and melancholia about some parts of your life. Some experience it earlier than others, but believe me, it'll come.

Life is built of "what if"'s, and some people realise that their alternate option would have made them happier. What about it? That's life, and it's up to you how you act upon it.

About your conclusion to not trust women, I'll let this quote speak for itself: "In terms of infidelity, the theory states that when sex-ratios are high, men are more likely to be promiscuous and engage in sex outside of a committed relationship because the demand for men is higher and so this type of behaviour, which is desired by men, is more accepted. On the other hand, when sex ratios are low, promiscuity is less common because women are in demand and since they desire monogamy and commitment, in order for men to remain competitive in the pool of mates, they must respond to these desires. Support for this theory comes from evidence showing higher divorce rates in countries with lower sex ratios and higher monogamy rates in countries with higher sex ratios (ibid.)" / Source: Wikipedia
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Wow, that was really saddening at the end. And all the small subtle hints were really amazing... I guess that was his son...? Or wait wasn't she sick before she spent the night with him?

Watched this raw (with my fail Japanese skills) and I still picked up more or less of the story... Some details are fuzzy but the story still came through to me. ><

THE KID IS SO CUTE. "Hey mama, I think you get it wrong... I'm not three, I'm four years old!" And he was counting his fingers!! QQ
 
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Wow, that was really saddening at the end. And all the small subtle hints were really amazing... I guess that was his son...?

It was indeed Hisao's son, thats why she lied about Motoki's age. If she said 4 than he would know it was his child too, because they made love 3 months before Noriko left for Amerika and 9 months of pregnancy would make 5 years and she lived in Amerika for 5 years.

Beautiful story, I loved it!
 
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SLUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUT

Ok now that's out of the way.

For the amount of time they had to tell the story, they did a wonderful job. 25 min and they were able to get the MC's past life growing up, her family life (esp coming back together after all these years) and what the big secret is while throwing in foreshadowing. I think we all have a basic plan on how we want it to go. MC doesn't want an ordinary life. She wants to stand out, like her sister did until she became married and pregnant. I guess that's why she didn't feel attracted to Hisao right away since in middle school she even explicitly says that he didn't stand out much.

She was able to break out and get a job in Tokyo against her parents and probably society's wishes (Japan is still big on the whole housewife thing and Tokyo is the center of everything). I liked how they made her background from the countryside with the different dialect, showing the contrast even more.

Now that's she's gonna be married soon, she was probably feeling trapped and pressured and ran to her prince, the one with the slender, beautiful fingers. I shouldn't have to mention that the kid is his.

Fast forward and now she's feeling distanced from her husband and sees Hisao. I wonder if she would have tried to get back with him had he said he was still single. My guess would be yes.

This story did a great job in showing how life isn't that simple. We makes plans and sometimes they don't go our way and other times it goes too well. That's the struggle MC is left with. How would her life have turned out if she stayed in the country with Hisao. Very well done.

Yeah it's a shame about Hisao not knowing his kid or the poor husband who was cheated on. That's why I had to let my first statement off since well, it really sucks for them.
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I don't know why, but I have the feeling that will rip my heart if the other 3 stories are this good
 
Aug 16, 2014 11:08 PM
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very nice plot twist at the end.

However I still think that she needs to get back with her husband and live in the US of A.

Just because she is having a shitty life, doesn't mean she needs to take her son's happiness down with her. The boy did nothing wrong, let him grow up in the big USA city instead of your rural Japanese town.

Much more opportunities there.
 
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fml im so sad now

I really liked this. Josei anime is truly the best. It was very bittersweet, realistic, and had lots of small details. I'd love to see a full length (one cour+) anime with this type of style.

When she lied about the age, my reaction as like "OHHHHH THAT'S WHY."

Onto the next one..

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that was really cool, the only thing I didn't like was the 10 year reunion interaction, it felt so nonchalant and unnatural lol. Like they'd only been apart a day.
 
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It was nice slice-of-life I guess. Very true to problems of modern society. Kinda sad to know she married wrong man though.

Animation-wise it wasn't bad though it took me some time to get used to those car-filmed sequences.

On the other hand I liked those little details like Noriko silencing his son in front of Hisao for him not to know he is his son. Hint that he would be willing to divorce his current wife only to be with Noriko again. He never stopped loving her even after all those years. That she knew that and lied intentionally.

I didn't expect them putting in bulimia for main character.. that was some heavy theme in there. But I guess that would go with the stress she had due to relation with her husband. But in the end it seems she won't be divorcing him anytime soon. She was denied of that espace.

Really interesting movie that deals with those words starting "what if..." that many people are dealing with in their lifes.

7/10
 
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I'd watch 100 episodes of this.
 
Dec 27, 2015 5:16 PM

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Awww this is beautiful. I wonder what will happen if Noriko and Hisao ended up together. Will they happy? I have this feeling why Noriko lied about Motoki's real age akkkk I wish this would be longer but oh well
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Typical Josei. Sad ending.
 
Apr 19, 2016 11:56 AM

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Very touching, beautiful and bittersweet.
Many small details.
This is why I love Josei, we need more of it.
 
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Wow, that was so well executed, I was sucked in right from the beginning and didn't even realize the 25 minutes had gone by already. I only watched this because I heard the main character had an eating disorder, but holy cow I was not expecting such a nuanced and mature portrayal of human relationships and emotions. And focused on adult characters instead of teenagers!! This was a masterpiece.
 
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What the hell, that was really good. How have I not heard of this before?
 
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Siva said:
Naruleach said:
I think Hisao realized that she was lying about hertheir son's age, hence why he asked her if she was happy after. His lingering hands after she takes the bag was a sad scene; he was expecting her to slightly touch him like before.
Right on spot.


It was obvious after she abruptly cut off her son when he wanted to say about his age. In general, quite a nice and sentimental story. I feel that this plot also had the unspent potential for continuation.
Level of my english is still too poor, so ask not particularly angry because of my terrible grammar.