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Apr 6, 2011 11:39 PM

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This looks pretty interesting. I was debating if I should watch this, then I heard it's somewhat related to Chaos;head. I thought that show was interesting so I decided to give this a try.
 
Apr 7, 2011 1:19 AM
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I think ep1 was OK. I didn't like this mad scientist laugh and behaviour - well, I don't like mad scientists at all. But I like time travel stories so I hope that will tolerate this guy somehow.
 
Apr 7, 2011 1:26 AM

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The most promising new comer of the spring season -so far. It's absolutely interesting and compelling though the main character is too quirky for my taste. Overall 4.5/5. Looking forward to the rest!
 
Apr 7, 2011 7:55 AM

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What just happened ?

lol @ the banana part
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Apr 7, 2011 9:35 AM
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Oh, forgot about the OP and the ED.
The OP and the ED man... They are so. Fucking. AWESOME. Seriously.
Itou Kanako did another great job. As expected of her. She's incredible.
I didn't know what to expect of the ED, but when I first heard it I was speechless. It was... amazing. I just... don't know how to describe it.
Is there even a OP and ED in the advanced screening whatsoever? O.o Besides that they'll probably just use the OP n ED from the VN of it.
Well, no. It wasn't in the advance screening. Though if you know where to look for what, you can find both the OP and ED. Which for that matter aren't the same as the VNs OP/ED.

Where do I look for the OP and ED? :S And what's a VN?
 
Apr 7, 2011 11:49 AM

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OP is 10 minutes into the ep? WTF!

Good and mysterious ep though
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Apr 7, 2011 11:52 AM

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I was so confused xD but I'm giving up on it just yet. It does have potential. Though Okabe Rintarou aka the MAD SCIENTIST is a funny and interesting character who I already like.
 
Apr 7, 2011 3:03 PM

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pretty good episode ^^
but it was a little confusing in the end XDD


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Apr 7, 2011 7:06 PM

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ok this started out pretty good...i think. i just hope half way thru it doesnt bring in something totally ridiculous and ruin it like a similar anime i know of...
 
Apr 7, 2011 10:48 PM

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pacing's pretty shitty so far, to be honest... i was disappointed, but the banana part LMFAO.

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Apr 7, 2011 11:19 PM

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Interesting episode some parts were confusing but I can sort of get the time traveling thing and now i need to know more
 
Apr 8, 2011 6:31 AM

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I hope the next episode gives more clarity >.>
I honestly don't freaking get why do some people always ask for clarity, explanations and answers when watching anime?! I mean, come on! You will get them in time! Otherwise watching the anime would be pointless!

And who would rate an anime based on the fact that the first episode was confusing? That is extremely stupid...

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well guess next episode should atleast clear things up
Don't count on that. It's a mystery anime.
 
Apr 8, 2011 10:26 AM

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People actually went into a science-fiction thriller anime thinking everything would be clear when watching the first episode?
I've lost all hope in humanity.

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OP is 10 minutes into the ep? WTF!

That's because at that exact part the OP started playing the VN. They wanted to stay close to the source material. I was quite happy they started playing the OP there.
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Apr 8, 2011 10:48 AM

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werr-y said:
Personas said:
I hope the next episode gives more clarity >.>
I honestly don't freaking get why do some people always ask for clarity, explanations and answers when watching anime?! I mean, come on! You will get them in time! Otherwise watching the anime would be pointless!

And who would rate an anime based on the fact that the first episode was confusing? That is extremely stupid...

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well guess next episode should atleast clear things up
Don't count on that. It's a mystery anime.



You don't watch a lot of mystery-esque series, am I right?(about the "otherwise the show would be pointless")

But, I kind of agree with you, but for another reason; if it's MADE to be confusing, YOU have to think about it. Saying everything in the second episode would ruin all the fun and be boring as hell. Theorize like crazy during 15 episodes, and then let the anime tell you if you were right or wrong... if you're lucky and it does it.

I've seen a lot of people expressing how much they adore the opening and ending themes, but I can't bring myself to agree. Once you've heard one or two Kanako Itou songs, you've truly heard them all. Urgh.


...what,
I could understand if you were talking about Find the blue/FDD, but hacking to the gate is so different from other songs by Kanako taht I believed that it wasn't from her during a moment...

People actually went into a science-fiction thriller anime thinking everything would be clear when watching the first episode?
I've lost all hope in humanity.


...this + your picture= my first thought: "He's awesome".



Anyway, after watching it 5+ times, it is in fact a LOT more confusing that it seems at first view. I remember someone saying that it is easy and the only thing is that Kurisu survived, well, No. If you look closely, the timeline is a complete mess even before this and everything is confusing as hell.
 
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puella-magi said:
I've seen a lot of people expressing how much they adore the opening and ending themes, but I can't bring myself to agree. Once you've heard one or two Kanako Itou songs, you've truly heard them all. Urgh.

And they're all great, aren't they?
And they're not that alike. Hacking to the Gate is very different from, let's say School Days' songs, Myself;Yourself's ED and ChäoS;HEAd's OP.
But I can't help it. I'm just a huge fan of her music. <3

willardhwright said:
Anyway, after watching it 5+ times, it is in fact a LOT more confusing that it seems at first view. I remember someone saying that it is easy and the only thing is that Kurisu survived, well, No. If you look closely, the timeline is a complete mess even before this and everything is confusing as hell.

And it will most likely get way more confusing later on.
But I loooove confusing mysteries, they're THE best. You won't hear me complaining when Steins;Gate turns into one of those. <3
 
Apr 8, 2011 1:18 PM
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that laugh...hahaha
 
Apr 8, 2011 5:05 PM

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Bland and boring animation. Flat and annoying characters. Bad direction and pacing. Too much unnecessary talks that could be reduced and replaced by more meaningful dialogs. Cliche theme. Only decent thing is character interaction which is ever so slightly funny.

What to hope for in the next ep:

_ Graphics improvement but that's quite unlikely as it seems to be the style this show will thereby adopt.

_ In-depth character development of the currently shallow main cast, is there more revelation about their character that we're unaware of thanks to the horrible 1st ep?

_ Apperance of a candy eye to gain more motivation (red-head girl) because there's none for now with a megalomanical (self-proclaimed mega-super-faggot-scientist?) ugly MC, a moe shit air-headed girl who has nothing better to do than buying Dr.Pepper, and a closet fat-ass otaku.

_ The plot/theme will finally be unfolded besides trashy sci-fi talks and the overused time-traveling device. And maybe even better if they can pull of some decent plot-twists but that sounds like hopeful wishing for now...

Too soon to say anything conclusive about the show as a whole but as far as ep 1 goes, it's close to garbage.

1/5



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Apr 8, 2011 6:55 PM

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Someone tell me if this was a good adaptation of the VN... please... I need to know. Usually the anime tends to ruin the VNs so I must know before I watch any more of it.
 
Apr 8, 2011 10:10 PM

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CRAZEH247 said:
Someone tell me if this was a good adaptation of the VN... please... I need to know. Usually the anime tends to ruin the VNs so I must know before I watch any more of it.


So far when I read in 2ch, receptions are mostly positive from VN readers except some fast pacing.
 
Apr 9, 2011 4:30 AM

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Someone tell me if this was a good adaptation of the VN... please... I need to know. Usually the anime tends to ruin the VNs so I must know before I watch any more of it.

I didn't play the whole vn, but I checked it out, and I'll have finished it by the next episode of the anime. From what I can say so far, it actually isn't deprived of this strange and chilling atmosphere. Characters are basically the same, what is a very good thing, as most vn to anime adaptations tend to leave characters underdeveloped and change their personalities altogether. So far, so good. What bugged me a bit, was how fast everything was proceeding - they're not taking their time, but they're not overdoing it, too. Even though it was a bit disturbing, I believe it may turn out to be a good choice to fasten things up a bit. As we all know visual novels' adaptations are either too rushed, or their content is cut down by half or so. Here, with 24 episodes and such pacing... hmm, I'd say it's possible to contain the whole story and not rush it to the extent known from UBW or Umineko. I really, really hope that after decent After Story, we will finally have the chance to watch another fairly good adaptation of a vn. Let's keep our fingers crossed and hope that the studio responsible for above-average Katanagatari won't fail to deliver the quality we're looking forward to.
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Apr 9, 2011 8:35 AM

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This show is interesting, even though I didn't think it would be like this :p.
 
Apr 9, 2011 9:10 AM

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So far so good, hope it keeps up and for the love of God does not turn into another Chaos;Head..
 
Apr 9, 2011 9:23 AM

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CRAZEH247 said:
Someone tell me if this was a good adaptation of the VN... please... I need to know. Usually the anime tends to ruin the VNs so I must know before I watch any more of it.

I didn't play the whole vn, but I checked it out, and I'll have finished it by the next episode of the anime. From what I can say so far, it actually isn't deprived of this strange and chilling atmosphere. Characters are basically the same, what is a very good thing, as most vn to anime adaptations tend to leave characters underdeveloped and change their personalities altogether. So far, so good. What bugged me a bit, was how fast everything was proceeding - they're not taking their time, but they're not overdoing it, too. Even though it was a bit disturbing, I believe it may turn out to be a good choice to fasten things up a bit. As we all know visual novels' adaptations are either too rushed, or their content is cut down by half or so. Here, with 24 episodes and such pacing... hmm, I'd say it's possible to contain the whole story and not rush it to the extent known from UBW or Umineko. I really, really hope that after decent After Story, we will finally have the chance to watch another fairly good adaptation of a vn. Let's keep our fingers crossed and hope that the studio responsible for above-average Katanagatari won't fail to deliver the quality we're looking forward to.

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Apr 9, 2011 3:04 PM

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Well I expected this much of confusion since this was came from the same author who wrote ChaosHead. But the ending made it clear that that was the early event of the beginning of the episode. If you remember what Kurisu asked Rintarou "15 minutes ago, you were trying to tell me something, right?" that was where he came out of the elevator with a surprising face after seeing Kurisu is still alive at the end of the episode.
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Apr 9, 2011 4:36 PM

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Wow. I'm sufficiently confused, but I guess that that's only natural since I watched this episode in 2 hours because of a bunch of other distractions. :U
 
Apr 9, 2011 11:03 PM

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It feels a little fragmented which accounts for the confusion I'm experiencing. Nevertheless I'm curious to see how this would play out. Definitely watching this.
 
Apr 10, 2011 12:59 AM
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Personally, I love confusing things. I love episodes that get me wondering about what's going on and I loved every single detail in this episode. The characters seem to be great as well. I think it was a great start to this series: it didn't disappoint me at all. I just hope the rest of it meets the expectations thins episode was able to build and doesn't leave anything unexplained.
The OP and ED were both great. Not only the songs but the animation as well. Loved it.
 
Apr 10, 2011 3:14 AM

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This might turn out to be a rather interesting anime, with a start that includes :
Texts sent into the past
Interesting Trio
Etc.
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Apr 10, 2011 7:55 AM

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I am LOVING this.

Finally anime worth checking out(after quite a long time).


I am interested on which theory exactly will they use to explain the time fluxes and on if it will be more like Donnie Darko or more like Primer(or something in between those two with a mix of If Only).


I would not be surprised if at least one of his two companions is already dead or has not been born yet, which would fit into whole time continuum disruption surrounding them three..

His delusions are also an interesting thing. Will it be just usual psychosis or is it something like the psychical state Donnie Darko was in - an insanity that leads towards a certain point in time.


Its sad to see so many viewers confused though.

this story involves time travel. don't expect anything explained by the laws of normal reality. Most time travel stories involve certain kinds of causality paradoxes and are very heavy on time travel mechancs. Not to mention that if this is as confusing as Primer, viewers themselves will need to sort out what happened and when happened.



+10 for not overusing background music. Its nice to see anime that respects the power of silence. Ever since Buffy episode in season 5 "Body", I haven't really seen any show or anime that could use complete lack of BGM as BGM.
+10 for time travel hijinks and causality paradoxes.
+10 for no overly cute char designs.
+10 for artistic washed out color palette.
+10 for good cliffhanger.

Overall: 5/5


P.S. Anyone feel that Falling satelite will be used in similar way as Plane was used in Donnie Darko movie? It sort of gives me the same feeling.


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Poor mans version of Welcome to the NHK + scifi.


Then you clearly did not understand anything in the plot. This was nothing like NHK and so far its not much into scifi but into the plausible contemporary scifi, that is if they use any of quantum theories to explain the time travel, it is realistically plausible.

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It feels a little fragmented which accounts for the confusion I'm experiencing. Nevertheless I'm curious to see how this would play out. Definitely watching this.


Of course its fragmented.


ITs a time travel story with at least 6 different parallel timelines already. There's no straight timeline.

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_ Graphics improvement but that's quite unlikely as it seems to be the style this show will thereby adopt.
_ In-depth character development of the currently shallow main cast, is there more revelation about their character that we're unaware of thanks to the horrible 1st ep?
_ The plot/theme will finally be unfolded besides trashy sci-fi talks and the overused time-traveling device. And maybe even better if they can pull of some decent plot-twists but that sounds like hopeful wishing for now...


- Animation is not needed for this kind of show. Its not action or drama kitsch. So far its pretty much hard scifi story.
- We already know more about these charracters than we do in shows like gintama or ef-tale of memories :) Each character is succesfully distinct and stands out
- The plot theme is time travel and causality paradoxes. Certainly hope they won't add anything cliched like love stories or defeat-the-badguy type of stuff. Its nice to see a philosophical approach to time travel in anime.

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People actually went into a science-fiction thriller anime thinking everything would be clear when watching the first episode?
I've lost all hope in humanity.


This this.


Too much crap is being fed to general audience nowadays. Viewers start to expect being held by the hand through everything, with nothing unexplained or open.


Thats why many great things that require viewer to interpret stuff get a lot of bashing from general public.


IMO so far this show is the only one worth following this season.
 
Apr 10, 2011 8:00 AM

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kinda hard to follow because i didnt played the game. but its not bad for the 1st ep.
 
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kinda hard to follow because i didnt played the game. but its not bad for the 1st ep.


Game is just as hard to follow, if not more, since anime is more fast paced than game was.
 
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Fai said:


STM said:
People actually went into a science-fiction thriller anime thinking everything would be clear when watching the first episode?
I've lost all hope in humanity.


This this.


Too much crap is being fed to general audience nowadays. Viewers start to expect being held by the hand through everything, with nothing unexplained or open.


Thats why many great things that require viewer to interpret stuff get a lot of bashing from general public.


IMO so far this show is the only one worth following this season.



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STM said:
Blackiris said:
CRAZEH247 said:
Someone tell me if this was a good adaptation of the VN... please... I need to know. Usually the anime tends to ruin the VNs so I must know before I watch any more of it.

I didn't play the whole vn, but I checked it out, and I'll have finished it by the next episode of the anime. From what I can say so far, it actually isn't deprived of this strange and chilling atmosphere. Characters are basically the same, what is a very good thing, as most vn to anime adaptations tend to leave characters underdeveloped and change their personalities altogether. So far, so good. What bugged me a bit, was how fast everything was proceeding - they're not taking their time, but they're not overdoing it, too. Even though it was a bit disturbing, I believe it may turn out to be a good choice to fasten things up a bit. As we all know visual novels' adaptations are either too rushed, or their content is cut down by half or so. Here, with 24 episodes and such pacing... hmm, I'd say it's possible to contain the whole story and not rush it to the extent known from UBW or Umineko. I really, really hope that after decent After Story, we will finally have the chance to watch another fairly good adaptation of a vn. Let's keep our fingers crossed and hope that the studio responsible for above-average Katanagatari won't fail to deliver the quality we're looking forward to.

You can understand Japanese?

I can't say I'm fluent and I'd probably have huge problems with talking to a native, but when it comes down to understanding written text, I can manage. And you can always use AGTH+Atlas to look up what you cannot fully understand... It takes much, much longer than reading it in English (even though I'm not a native), but it's not impossible and with those 300 or so kanjis, and the aforementioned tools, one can comprehend 90% of the text + 5 additional percent from the context.
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Fai said:

ITs a time travel story with at least 6 different parallel timelines already. There's no straight timeline.


Fufufu. So I'm not the only one who thought about this?

although I only saw 5 timelines personally. Maybe 4 if I'm REALLY nice about some parts where I'm not sure about it because I lack informations, it will depend of ep2, but that's an absolute minimum. 2 are not enough to explain everything in this episode (The thing is, most things are not as obvious as people disappearing).)

All the random phone shots, sometimes unexplained, are also curiously well placed compared to this, by the way.
But I'm still confused about the phone undergoing disturbances. I've one or two ideas, but nothing effective for the moment.



- The plot theme is time travel and causality paradoxes. Certainly hope they won't add anything cliched like love stories or defeat-the-badguy type of stuff. Its nice to see a philosophical approach to time travel in anime.


They probably will. But as long as it is a DETAIL and something well done, which contribute to the story, It's not a problem for me.
But yeah, complex time travels are quite rare. And not only in anime.

Too much crap is being fed to general audience nowadays. Viewers start to expect being held by the hand through everything, with nothing unexplained or open.


Thats why many great things that require viewer to interpret stuff get a lot of bashing from general public.


Well, you know, asking people to use their brain is waayyy too much nowadays. Everything must be perfectly clear and explained after two episodes.
Ho. And don't forget to bash the show after this because "it was too obvious".



I can't say I'm fluent and I'd probably have huge problems with talking to a native, but when it comes down to understanding written text, I can manage. And you can always use AGTH+Atlas to look up what you cannot fully understand... It takes much, much longer than reading it in English (even though I'm not a native), but it's not impossible and with those 300 or so kanjis, and the aforementioned tools, one can comprehend 90% of the text + 5 additional percent from the context.


Translation aggregator is also really good, if you need it.
I should do it in japanese soon... when I'll be less lazy.
It should not be too long, I'm used to japanese VN thanks to umineko ~~
 
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wasnt planning to follow this one but decided to give it a chance and now i'm so glad i did! its so good + interesting :)

Completely off-topic, but what an interesting username you've got there.
 
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When I saw that Texhnolyze's director was handling this, I immediately thought "Fuck yes.".
 
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FIRST POST AS AN MAL MEMBER!!

But anyway this might be a little late but my impression of the show was that it was all over the place. From what I have seen, the show should turn out to be interesting but the first episode was kind of blah to me. I don't know. Maybe the second one will spice things up a bit.
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I just finished practically non stop watching ChäoS;HEAd so I could watch this and I really hope it was worth it
It was a kinda strange 1st episode so i hope it gets better
 
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I just finished practically non stop watching ChäoS;HEAd so I could watch this and I really hope it was worth it
I have now lost count of all the people who are dead set about having to watch ChäoS;HEAd before Steins;Gate.
It's still not like they really have anything to do with each other.
And yes, this was a pretty useless post, oh well.
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Apr 12, 2011 8:52 AM

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Too fast for the first episode imo.
But great nevertheless.
 
Apr 12, 2011 9:35 PM

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Although I have no idea what is going on, I do like the fact that Rin is voiced by Miyano Mamoru.
 
Apr 13, 2011 8:53 AM

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Work your brains.
 
Apr 14, 2011 7:46 PM
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If it wasn't too dark it was too bright everywhere. Despite these things the ep itself was interesting.
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Apr 15, 2011 3:55 PM

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I dun get it. Loving the op and ed though.
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interesting...interesting...
 
Apr 17, 2011 7:24 PM

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Really interesting and great characters, but I'm confused
 
Apr 20, 2011 9:46 AM

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A pretty good first ep :D I liked the pacing xD Had it's funny moments and wtf moments spaced out quite nicely.

Gosh..I was thinking that Rintarou sounded like Miyano and I was bang on. xD Nice to see him voicing a psychotic mad scientist character <3 He's amazing at the role, as he is with most.
 
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The first episode looks awesome. ^^
 
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not making senseee 0.0
 
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