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Jul 22, 2007 1:58 AM

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<strong>THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE.</strong><br />----------------------------------------
<br /><br />Raw is out, so i caved and watched it. I really love time jumps and was really excited about this episode. This one didnt disappoint. Older Simon is really cool. Yoko and Nia are great as well. It was great to see those two little kids older and piloting Gunmen and beating Viral, who btw looks cool as well. With my Japanese knowledge, i managed to get about 50-60% of the audio. I loved it when Nia turned town Simon when he first asked her to marry her. I'll post more thoughts when the subs come out.

 
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Jul 22, 2007 6:52 PM

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I caved too.

Since you got the gist of what I got from it.
All I have to say right now is interesting enemy and preview.
 
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Jul 23, 2007 1:07 AM

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BSS released their .ass half an hour ago, gogogo!

Thought this ep rocked so hard, the only thing I didn't like was huge lack of Yoko :\ Hope she comes back from her excursion soon.

I'm guessing Anne was the millionth person in the city, kind of cool.

Rossiu sure turned into a prick, hope he and Simon can work it out.

NiaChannel ftw.

OH AND VIRAL. THIS PART'S IN CAPS BECAUSE, VIRAL.
HE TURNED GOOD!? EXCELLENT!!
/ME ADDS HIM TO FAVS
 
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Jul 23, 2007 1:14 AM

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Okay, you ruined my sleeping time.
But I'm stupid.
Anyways, how you get .ass to work again?
 
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Azndude said:
Anyways, how you get .ass to work again?

just have the name of the .ass file to match the raw file

Anyways, just watched it again with subs. Other than a few terms and some other things, I got the gist of it the first time.
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Rossiu sure turned into a prick, hope he and Simon can work it out. just dies.

Once he's gone, i can see an awesome Viral/Simon team. We just have to have that. Anyways, looking forward to the next episode.

 
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Faust721 said:
windy said:
Rossiu sure turned into a prick, hope he and Simon can work it out. just dies.

Once he's gone, i can see an awesome Viral/Simon team. We just have to have that. Anyways, looking forward to the next episode.

Ok I second that. Viral and Simon working together would indeed be amazing.

And... just thought of this... unless I'm wrong, why do the people wanting to live underground matter to Rossiu? I thought the Helix King said when 1000 monkeys live ABOVE ground is when the catastrophe will happen...
 
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Faust721 said:
Azndude said:
Anyways, how you get .ass to work again?

just have the name of the .ass file to match the raw file

Anyways, just watched it again with subs. Other than a few terms and some other things, I got the gist of it the first time.
windy said:
Rossiu sure turned into a prick, hope he and Simon can work it out. just dies.

Once he's gone, i can see an awesome Viral/Simon team. We just have to have that. Anyways, looking forward to the next episode.


Thankie.

But I don't see Rossiu dying. He still got that book he got when he left his village. All he needs now is someone to read it. I wonder whats the biological computer is about...

And yes, Viral and Simon duo would kick ass.
 
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Jul 23, 2007 1:35 PM

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windy said:
And... just thought of this... unless I'm wrong, why do the people wanting to live underground matter to Rossiu? I thought the Helix King said when 1000 monkeys live ABOVE ground is when the catastrophe will happen...

I'm guessing someone could easily sneak onto the surface from the underground.

But yeah, Rossiu's bugging me also. <_<;;
 
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Jul 23, 2007 4:10 PM

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That was an awesome episode.
The people evolved greatly after building the city, Viral being good was really cool, the proposal scene was really funny... But i hate Rossiu now.. hopefully he becomes a vilain so that Simon can destroy him.... And evil Nia was great too.
 
Jul 23, 2007 4:23 PM
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In terms of characters, I really liked Simon and Viral.
Sad too see so little of Yoko though, and this episode made me really miss Kamina.

Rossiu is being a jerkoff, I can see him going over to the enemies side somehow, or being a third enemy.

Cant wait to see a Simon/Yoko/Viral team.

 
Jul 23, 2007 7:56 PM

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I think they did an awesome job with the time skip so far. I also craved in and got the RAW of the episode earlier this morning thankfully that ass. file come out soon after it finally got done downloading. XD Really this seires is my favorite show airing.

Over all I really enjoyed this episode a lot. I loved seeing how every one had grown up and all. More so like every one else Simon and Viral. Viral isn't going to be the main bad guy after all which makes what I've said before wrong but I'm happy he didn't. He's even cooler now. XD

I laught so hard at when Nia refused poor Simon proposal cause of the way he asked. The whole part where she is with Kiyoh and Kiyal, the two sisters where to funny in the backround while Nia was on the phone.

I will say this, I don't think Rossiu is going to be an a-hole forever. He has his reasons but the brat better get over them or else.

By the way SS-BSS just put out this ep. in MKV. Also I was wondering if I was the only one that had a hard time playing there files? I was Media Player Classic to play it and it come out really laggy. So if any one is having the same problem or knows what I need to do the fit it please let me know.
 
Jul 24, 2007 8:33 PM

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Awesome episode, likeing the time skip so far. I'm hoping we'll see more Yoko soon, show seems different with so little of her :(
Just like everyone else was saying.. Rossiu has turned in to an ass, he got on my nerves many times throughout the episode.
 
Jul 25, 2007 12:00 AM

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Just finished watching the new episode a little while ago. The time skip was great, I really enjoyed seeing how all the characters had grown.

It looks like Rossiu is putting priorities and politics over the people.Worrying more about Lord Genome's prophecy than others. It almost seems like he's planning to start a coup. It'll be interesting to see what he plans on doing in the future.

During the preview for the next episode, was that Lord Genome in a rehabilitation tube? You'd think a gaping hole in the chest would prevent any sort of revival.
 
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JUST AS PLANNED.
 
Jul 26, 2007 12:15 AM

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hi windy you are awesome. oh and... yeah you are awsome.
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windy said:
BSS released their .ass half an hour ago, gogogo!

Thought this ep rocked so hard, the only thing I didn't like was huge lack of Yoko : Hope she comes back from her excursion soon.

Yoko = Roy Mustang, she'll show up when she's needed. remember the whole girl-falling-in-the-hole-with-her-rifle-blazing scene? yeah...

windy said:
Rossiu sure turned into a prick, hope he and Simon can work it out.

Rossiu probably won't fight anymore, who knows :S
personally i don't want him to die, just want him to wake up.

windy said:
NiaChannel ftw.

this was forseen x_x but totally dreaded =( NYAA!!!!!!!!

windy said:
OH AND VIRAL. THIS PART'S IN CAPS BECAUSE, VIRAL.
HE TURNED GOOD!? EXCELLENT!!
/ME ADDS HIM TO FAVS

Viral turning good = expected too? ;x i mean the whole him questioning the meaning of human existence, and the whole him not killing simon on the aircraft carrier ganmen.

Fisher said:

During the preview for the next episode, was that Lord Genome in a rehabilitation tube? You'd think a gaping hole in the chest would prevent any sort of revival.

his heart is gone, but his brain still exists, therefore Rossiu is using lord genome's body to get the answers he wanted ... wait ... that sounded wrong ... oh well it's just Rossiu so nobody really cares.
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Jul 26, 2007 1:21 PM

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It was a good episode.

But I'm confused as to why Nia went all, 'Exterminate Humans' on us. What is she really?
 
Jul 29, 2007 12:19 AM

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Like she mentioned during the little speech at the end, she is part of the Han-Rasen Tribe, the Anti Spirals. I'm guessing Lordgenome was one of them aswell, which points to how he knew this was going to happen to the Earthlings.

I'm going out on a limb here, but It also sheds the mystery when Lordgenome said in Episode 15 about how he was protecting the humans (Obviously by keeping them underground) and it was the only way the humankind could live on earth. Appearently for some reason the Han-Rasen don't want more than 1 million above ground? Just theorizing, but seems plausible.

Anyway, I loved this episode, it was good seeing most of the characters, though some changes were totally unexpected; I'm hoping to see Rossiu's reasons in the next episode and why turned into such a douchebag lol
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Oct 14, 2007 10:53 AM

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holy frickin frick, older simon is extremely sexy

lol, i JUST saw this episode. i'm really behind in the series o_o
but it's interesting~ evil nia o_o
 
Oct 16, 2007 4:11 PM

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black-order subs came out today,
so i also saw this episode just now.

great episode once again, the time jump just makes all the characters even better.
 
Jan 26, 2008 11:29 PM

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Heh, I wasn't really expecting that time skip. Heh, humanity has turned in a bunch of pricks. xD

Also... Rossiu and Kinon have changed a lot!! V_V I'm part of the ones who expect Rossiu to wake up, let's see what happens.

And... I already miss Yoko. =(
 
Jan 27, 2008 4:36 AM

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Awesome timeskip. 7 years seems too soon for civilisation to progress that much, I know this anime likes to play things loose, but still, the writers could have made it a longer period of time.

I like where the anime is going with things, its attempts at depth amid the wackiness is much appreciated. As long as Simon's path to victory remains complex and full of sacrifices, then I'll be content.

Regarding Rossiu, its not like the dude's evil, he's just a 'good' guy that happens to be a polar opposite of Simon. His character has been a bit of a bore through the series though, which I found disappointing. Its still possible to have a good character walk a diffeent path without being so stoic all the time, but oh well, with Viral's evilness toned down, we need an antagonist to counter Simon and Rossiu is it for the moment.
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Basically the series has gotten better since the time skip. I think that they were able to get such advanced technology so quickly is probably through reverse-engineering the technology that was in the capital already. Rossiu is pretty much becoming his father, he wants what's good for the whole but has to detach his feelings for the individuals who might have to suffer. Seeing Dari and Gimi taking the roles as the new pilots was pretty cool to see. I'm pretty sure that Yoko will be back once she hears that there's something threatening humanity. Also, that big flying thing and crazy Nia both look like something out of Tron, which was probably the best crappy movie ever made.


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May 25, 2008 1:59 PM

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Whoa, amazing episode! Simon is cool now ^^
 
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Whoa, amazing episode! Simon is cool now ^^


Mmh. He's 21 after the timeskip.

 
Jun 15, 2008 12:43 PM

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...............HOly Crap what happened to Nia!!!!!1 --_--
 
Aug 10, 2008 5:37 AM

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A Nia x Simon is fine too. Though I don't want Yoko to stay single forever.:(

And I always knew there was something about that hair.
Sure enough, she's a Lunarian.

I've never like Rossiu. Just maybe a little bit in his introduction episode.
But I HATE his as a Gurren Langann pilot. Of all people to be piloting alongside Simon, HIM?!?!?

It was so lame him being co-pilot.

I actually like him better now though. New Rossiu is pretty darn cool to me actually.
Instead of liking him less like a lot of people here do, I like him a lot more now.
Just don't ever get back down in that sacred seat alongside Simon. You are not worthy Rossiu, you never were. I always wanted to a see a Simon x Yoko or Simon x Nia cockpit duo, but no, I got Simon x Rossiu. Damnit.

Oh, I forgot to mention. Those two kids from the Ganmen cult now piloting Ganmen = pure win.
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Aug 14, 2008 11:12 PM

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really good ep. though.....hmmm... no Yoko? hope that's not a permanent thing(i know it's not but i hope its not too long either)


 
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I agree with Cihan...I really like how this episode added another layer to the show but still retaining the fast-pasted, silly essence. It's great to see the characters' older designs and how their personalities matured. I feel really sorry for Simon-all that paperwork to do. o.o

I loved the story of Simon's proposal to Nia. xD Like how she's still so innocent that she misunderstood Simon's attempt to be romantic at first. But how it worked out in the end was really sweet. I'm intrigued by evil!Anti-Spiral!Nia. Since she was created by Genome, maybe she's made up of something (for lack of a better phrase) that's somehow related to the Anti-Spirals? Well, at least her white/light-blue hair color makes a little more sense now, since it's lunar colors. :D

I guess I'm the second person to like new Rossiu better, since he's gotten a lot more interesting now. He did make a point there about how the Brigade members didn't know how to manage a government...after all, most of them have been living in underground villages (if I recall this correctly-since I skipped the clip show-it was just one guy ordering them what to do and trying to silence down if there would be anyone who should rebel, etc.; Rossiu's village, let me see if I could recall correctly again, had set rules and such) or wandering around fighting Ganmen like the Black Siblings, so they do basically have to start civilization over. It's also apparent how his upbringing in Adai is showing through, as Simon mentioned.

Viral's back! And I agree that a Simon-Viral duo would be awesome. I wonder in what ways would his immortality play in the future plot.

Hopefully, Yoko will be back next episode...? ^^b
 
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By far my favourite ep so far. And yes, I agree with most people who think Rossiu needs to die now XD
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Damn, I suspected Nia of being something more, maybe an enemy trap, but this is just overkill :(
 
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It's funny seeing everyone older. Although Rossiu is now an arse. However, Viral is still around, so that's pretty cool. It'll be interesting to see where this whole anti-spiral thing goes.
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viral lives! everyone (almost) looks cooler now xD
anyways, it's amazing how they advanced that much in a matter of seven years 0_0 and rossiu is somewhat getting more annoying >.< he kinda relates with the whole population control thing too, considering the village he came from..

slackerpaul said:
really good ep. though.....hmmm... no Yoko? hope that's not a permanent thing(i know it's not but i hope its not too long either)

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Great episode... I hate Roshiu now. :P

The best scene was where Simon proposed to Nia... and then she said "No way!"
Best "sudden fall to the ground" (another anime concept i can't explain) moment ever :P

This new enemy seems interesting, and all the characters are good apart from Roshiu. I found it weird but quite cool that Kiyon and Dayakka's baby was the one that tipped it over the edge and started the whole process of crazy shi- going on.

 
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Whoah new opening! Seems they started with the second verse of Sorairo Days this time. Grown up Simon looks so freaking GAR! Nia looks pretty as always....Gimmy and Darray looks cool/cute too :3 Rossiu looks really cool too, Yoko looks...sexy as ever but more mature, Kittan and the others don't seem to have changed much at all o.o Viral is WTH GAR TOO! and lastly Boota hasn't turned into a big yummy steak yet. What gives? All based from the opening :3 Looots of pause rewind play going on haha. Overall the new opening is good imo, since it's the beginning of a new arc.

On to episode critique!
Nice name for a city, Kamina city :3. Giant Kamina statue was nice to see too. I can't believe that old man is a beastman lol. Did anyone else notice the T.V. screen next to the poster of young Simon and Kamina? It played the scene from episode 1 where Simon and Kamina are riding on the Mole-Pigs to try to break through the ceiling :].

SIMON AND NIA HAVE TO GET MARRIED! ARGH WHY DO THEY DO THIS TO US!?

And that Rossiu..what is he planning :(.

This arc will be so freaking exciting!
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Nov 2, 2008 11:29 AM

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omg naruto shippuuden but gurren lagann like infinity times better :). i dont like Rossiu at all now D:
 
Nov 21, 2008 5:47 AM

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Episode 17 = More DBZ + Code Geass + Eflen Lied + 12 Monkeys + Independence Day

So, 7 years, Simon is 21 huh ? I've expected him to become at least an adult with some more brains, but unfortunately he doesn't seem to grow up at all.

Ah, and Roshiu's turn to become the villain now. Interesting ! :)

Still miss Yoko and Kamina. I hope he comes back to life, somehow...
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Dec 5, 2008 12:54 PM

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Oh wow. The epicness is back already ! Great episode, i loved that turn of events. Rossiu is so great now. Simon also has a nice look :)

Can't wait to see more !
 
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And... I already miss Yoko. =(


Me too ):

 
Dec 18, 2008 6:29 PM
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I had to watch this raw. I really like time jumps so this episode was pretty good to me.
 
Jan 9, 2009 11:33 PM

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NIA'S AWFUL HAIR IS BACK D:D:D:1!11!1!

Oh well, at least Forehead doesn't look as stupid.
 
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Interesting change of settings. Will Rossiu become the new "bad guy"?
 
Jan 30, 2009 3:39 PM

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Nice episode, Simon is still cool :)
but Rossiu is now an annoying bastard.
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Ok, this episode definetly changed my point of wiew of TTGL, still not what im expecting, Simon grow up is the sexy shit. Anyway i hope Rossiu gets aids, seriusly... why the hell he has turned like this?

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NIA'S AWESOME HAIR IS BACK :D:D:D1!11!1!

Oh well, at least Forehead doesn't look as stupid.


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The funny thing is they haven't realised they have reacher over 1 million "apes" on the planet, I loled alot when they suspected anti-government troops were the ones who sent that faceless ganmen. When are they finally going catch on?

As to why Rossiu is a PMSing lil bitch, it's probably because of his sense of responsibility. Before he came to the surface he had to look after the underground city and its inhabitants, since he feels the same way about Kamina City he feels he has to play the role of the protector now. Rossiu doesn't see Simon doing anything, so he feels he has to "step up to the plate". Even though his actions are understandable, it doesn't make them any more justifiable; he's still a little bitch.

Cmon, give us a Viral/Simon with a little bit of Yoko team!
 
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Wow, this time skip was awesome. Simon is just so cool now. And I loved when Nia turned him down :-------DDDD
This seems now lot more interesting ~~


 
Jul 15, 2009 9:24 AM

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This episode was a bit slow, the time skip was interesting. Cant wait to see what will happen next.
 
Jul 16, 2009 9:06 AM
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It's almost like a new show with the time skip... and I'm definitely liking where it is heading.
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Jul 20, 2009 9:42 PM

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People who want Rossiu to die or otherwise hate him, I guess you hate when characters become interesting. Anime needs pricks, you know. He's becoming an important foil to Simon's emotional outbursts. Simon acts on his heart, and Rossiu wants to be cold and calculating.

Same thing when people couldn't appreciate Nina from CG just because she's a racist and a bitch and crazy. That's why she's great!

Rossiu went from a character I strongly disliked in the first 15 episodes to a character whom I enjoy and want to see more of. Whether he'll end up being a misunderstood good guy or flip to the dark side, I don't know yet.
 
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It is interesting to see Rossiu and Viral's personalities in this other perspective, it makes the story more "intelligent" since there isn't a clear distinction between what is good and what is evil. By the way, loved the militarized character of Simon's new dictatorship, it kinda reminds me of the good ol' days in Latin America. =P
 
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