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Mar 26, 2011 10:21 PM

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Jiggy Pepper....

I'm gonna miss hearing that name in engrish... I laugh my ass off every time...
Mar 26, 2011 10:56 PM

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Man I thought they killed of Gauche/Noir......
Well it wasn't bad of an ending from the last few episodes but it left a billion questions unanswered. Needs a Season 3.

Tegami Bachi OKASAN or whatever Artificial Sun is in Japanese
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Mar 27, 2011 2:49 AM

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for a anime only ending it was ok but i'm pretty sure the manga ending will be much better^^
Mar 27, 2011 7:37 AM

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i knew Noir will survive :)

there are still many questions with answer, and i dont think this will get another season
Mar 27, 2011 12:12 PM

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i have to say, i am a bit disappointed the first half and a bit of this series was so great, i would of given it a 9. then what i heard to be the fillers started, i haven't read the manga but i thought that this ending felt quite empty. i just hope for another season, and for it to be as good as the first part of the last one. that being said i recon this deserves a 7-8, maybe i will give it a 7 because i am thoroughly unsatisfied with the second half, even if it is giving the first half an unreasonable rating.
Mar 27, 2011 12:41 PM

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it was a great anime!
i enjoyed it a lot ^^
sad that its finally over ~
Mar 27, 2011 1:57 PM

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too bad it's over :(
I really like tegami bachi.

But this ending is totally unsatisfying. In the end nothing really got explained and there's too much still unknown :/

I'm hoping for a 3rd season, though I don't think that will happen ;;
Mar 27, 2011 2:05 PM

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Gah it ended in the middle of nowhere. We only get to see his mother's face, but we didn't get the answers of what the artofficial sun is(well we get how its fueled..but), whats the power Lag has and what does Nitche's older/twin sister mean by "He is only in human form". I really wish there is atleast a special or an Ova that clears some of the questions.
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Mar 27, 2011 6:43 PM

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Void_Seeker said:
I'm guessing that they purposely leave everything open and questions unanswered so that if they ever want to do a 3rd season, they can adjust the plot to match the manga.
I totally agree!! I was satisfied and I do think they did it this way because you can easily continue the story if you want to.
Mar 27, 2011 8:10 PM

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xdeath_bunnyx said:
But I heard the manga is different from the anime...does anyone know which chapter the anime diverts from the manga?
I don't actually know the chapter number off the top of my head....
but I think it (the manga and anime) start to diverge around the point Gauche/Noir leaves again after being Lag's Dingo for one day

anyway....about this ep. It was ok but I'm a little annoyed about the unrealistic-ness in that....well....
Why did none of the characters seriously wonder "zomg...why can Lag shine like the artificial sun?!" I would've at least thought they might slip something like

Thunderland examined him for a bit but couldn't conclude anything
but nay. Most of them all act like it wasn't anything special. PFFT!
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Mar 28, 2011 2:03 AM

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:( This series is over. I am already missing it!
I would like a third season of course. I will gladly watch that if that comes along.

At first I thought Noir was dead, but when I saw him alive I was relived. The hugging scene was so cute and I admit it made me cry a bit.

lol @ Zazie's special someone! Cats ftw!

8/10 for this series. Like the first season, though I felt this season was better but it's not enough for me to rate higher.

Just noticed that I finished season 1 exactly a year ago!
Mar 28, 2011 8:56 AM
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This season really peaked with the Maka arc and the Aria arc. It's a shame, there was so much potential there to be something amazing, but the last leg of the series was just...bland. I can't really put my finger on it, but all the excitement was gone after Gauche woke up.
Mar 28, 2011 10:51 AM

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Absolutely loved the Maka arc and for me it was the best of the whole series.

8/10 for the second season. At the point where the anime diverges, the whole thing becomes sort of mediocre except for the characters. Noir was certainly not as interesting as before. There was too little of Lag and Niche.

Even though Season 1 had many fillers, it didn't lose that mysterious and epic feel of the background story and there was a lot more of Niche compared to the anime original part of Season 2. Maybe this season should have been a 12 episode season. If they had finished like D.Gray-Man at least a third season might have been possible.
Mar 28, 2011 4:17 PM
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I can help but feel dissapointed about the whole Noir business. I mean, it's very nice that Noir ended up caring about Lag as a friend and that Lag feels happy, it's even very sweet to think that Gauche "died" to bring Lag's mom heart to him... but I still feel very sad to think Lag could never actually bring back the real Gauche... and to think they are still hoping to bring back Sunny's memories... what's all that about?
Mar 28, 2011 4:32 PM
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I know I shouldn't mix anime and manga and judge them seperately but mehh , in this case I just don't care . They took a story and kinda killed it (which ok , it was obvious since the anime at some point caught up with it) . Instead of going till they could and change the last like 3-4-5 epis (like Pandora Hearts) or change the plot (like Kuroshitsuji) , they started the changes from the first epis and that ruined the atmosphere a lot for me -_- Lag in the manga seems way smarter than in the anime and it hurts to see him so in denial every time here x.x
So for me story gets 6/10 cause I'm nice >.>
I actually just stared at the screen when I saw Lag's mother and Gauche on her lap >_> When Noir was shot in the previous epi , I was kinda hoping he would rly die . That'd be a "good" fitting ending for me . I never adored Noir but he fell in mah eyes in the series . But ofc he lived and left them . Kinda surprised at the fact he didn't manage to get his heart back but I guess it's better than having him oh-so-suddenly get it back .
As for a 3rd season ... just no ... They'd go even further off the manga story and it'd kill me x.x
Mar 28, 2011 8:52 PM

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I definitely enjoyed this show. I find it a little disappointing though how the ending doesn't feel like enough of an ending.
Mar 29, 2011 7:37 AM
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Not exactly what I expected, but it could have been worse. In fact, Studio Pierrot managed to invent something not THAT bad.

But well, whoever is reading the manga, knows that Tegami Bachi is "so much better" than the thing we watched here

Zepwich said:
Jiggy Pepper....

I'm gonna miss hearing that name in engrish... I laugh my ass off every time...

Ahahahah, so true xD

Btw, don't expect another season, I think they just blew it already, the differences between manga and anime cannot be fix'd xD.
Mar 30, 2011 7:50 AM

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liked it better than the first season 7/10
Mar 31, 2011 2:45 PM
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The ending was actually quite good. One of the best I've watched in terms of anime original endings. It was touching and I'm glad that Noir survived. However, there were lots of questions left unanswered and that's the only thing preventing me from giving this season a 10.

The plot was amazing and the characters are as awesome as always. If they had given it proper closure it would have been great. But no, I have to be left wondering what really happened in the Day Of The Flicker, what Lag really is, what's his mother's role at Akatsuki and what were the government true intentions. It also pisses me off that Amberground continues on with that stupid hierarchy system and no one seems to care. That just sucks. But overall I loved it. It was way better than the first season so I'll give it a 9/10.
Apr 3, 2011 2:54 AM

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Well, they should do something about the artificial sun. That could fill another season. This end only affects Gauche. Go search your mother, Marc- Lag!

Although is such a cliché, it was nice to see Lag again in his super-saiyan mode.
Apr 4, 2011 2:35 AM

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I'm so glad that I haven't catched up with the manga yet and I could watch this only as an anime viewer. I really liked the ending and it left me quite satisfied. Seems like everything is settled though there are a lot of secrets left concerning Lag's mother.
I'm also glad because of Sunny is alright. :D
I enjoyed this season a lot more than the first so I gave this a 9/10.
Apr 4, 2011 6:03 AM

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So anyway, all I really have to say, except that this was pretty good for an anime-original ending,;
So, Lag is a spirit. (As opposed to "those who could not become spirit".)

And... what did Lag's mom have to do with anything, anyway?
Is it just me, or were we actually never told anything about her?
As far as I know, she's just sitting there under the man-made sun for no apparent reason.
Seriously, why?

Oh well, at least this is an actual ending, so we won't get some anime-original 3rd season.
Also, puff-cheeked Aria was kinda win.
And lastly, Jiggy Pepper is cool as usual, Largo too, aaaand Zazie and his cats. ┐( ̄ー ̄)┌
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Apr 6, 2011 4:07 PM
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Most people aren't satisfied after watching this season but I think it gives some big clues and the plot can be not as difficult to understand as it seems.

What do we know:
On the Day of Flicker, the sun flickered for a moment. The airship crew saw a giant fetus on the sun and lost sight while looking in its eye. They also heard a strange voice screaming "mother, mother". It's the day when Lag was born. And the sunlight had been weakening for some time before that day.

My theory:
I think the fetus is Lag! The eye which make the crew lose sight is a left eye of the fetus, and Lag has a Spirit Amber in his left eye. The sun had been weakening little by little while his mother had been pregnant, and it flickered when he was being born. It was "a true form of Lag" (a spirit? Spirit Amber itself?) who was screaming. When Lag was born, the sun started to shine normally again.

Maybe Lag is a part ("human form") of "something" which forms the sun and which hasn't been mature enough yet. To be mature (and become a "real form") it needs people's hearts. A human form is born to deliver hearts to it. Lag doesn't know anything about it because his mother wanted to protect him and went to Akatsuki to "steal" hearts instead of him, having the same or similar power.

The government for some reason wanted this "something" to mature more quickly, so they made "those who couldn't become spirit".

Of course it doesn't explain everything (what is the role of the government, how people's hearts make the sun shine, etc.), but it seems to be quite logical to me. ;-)
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Apr 11, 2011 8:24 PM

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In the end... Steak was never eaten.... how sad....
Apr 21, 2011 5:52 PM
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@nisha: very interesting theories.

Also, Lag's mother seen in Gauche's memory looks pretty much exactly like her:

Apr 25, 2011 6:36 AM

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When the last episode of the season got an ending, we can except a third season.
May 1, 2011 11:31 AM

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Bittersweet ending. I like how it ends, despite of Gauche hasn't returned. And I know this is actually an ending. But I'll miss this wolrd, crying Lag and all other characters. I'll miss this show ;_;

I enjoyed this season as much as previous one, so 9/10
May 1, 2011 5:52 PM

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I liked it. Of course there are a lot of open questions, but at least not everything is left unanswered, some stuff, like what happend to Gauche is answered. Even some things about Lags mother are answered, like what happend to her (not in great detail, but at least you know she got there, and shes alive etc.)

I also really enjoyed the goodbye scence. Not the scence per se, they had a lot of those, and Lags crying everytime etc., but the reminscencing of the goodbye in the first season, where Gauche/Noir delivered Lag, and he said "We are friends. Roda to". Especially the fact that Roda said "Farewell, my friend" while looking back to Lag. She couldn't really say it in episode 2, as she was a dog, but she didn't forget about it, and neither did the producers.

Nice little detail.
Jul 7, 2011 12:34 AM
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I want it to continue D; there has to be more some how idk why this anime felt so unique compared to other animes =/ man i rly hope dey continue it :(
Aug 13, 2011 6:04 AM
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The ending is so disappointing.
First off Lag failed his promised to bring back Gauche
Gauche Suede's heart is not back, although he deserve a happy life with his sister and his lover Aria.
Noir should know that that body is belong to Gauche and at least find a way to help Gauche.
Noir is a cool guy but Gauche is so much better, Gauche joins the Bee to fix his sister's legs but Noir doesn't care and what about Lag's mother??? The one stolen away Gauche's heart.
To be honest I'm a fan of Gauche x Aria and I was watching the series and hoped to see the real Gauche to come back and meet Aria at the Bee Hive and says: " I'm back"
Gauche deserves all those happiness but the ending is disappointing and sucks.
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Sep 6, 2011 12:56 PM

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Eh not very satisfied, it was great up to episode 18 but after that the rest was too predictable and i don't know..wasn't as good..and they just left us with more question in the end :\
Doubtful if they would make another season, though it would be nice to have another season but can't say i am looking forward to it much.

I was going for 9/10 up to episode 18 but the rest was disappointing especially this one;
Overall 8/10.
Oct 1, 2011 11:24 PM

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TO MUCH left unanswered.

It was a really great anime, but way to much was just left up in the air.
-Lag never got to see his mother and so his mother never gets to find out if "her heart" was delivered to him.
-The governments "secret" experiments seemed..completely ignored, like everyone was all "who the heck cares about that anymore?"
-Roda to.. is that really the real Roda inside there? She said she was fused with all manner of beasts, but still.
-Aria never got to even talk to Noir/Gauche.. seriously. Aria hardly said a word to him, ever.
-I'm confused as hell who that girl is on the picture that Sandra and Jacob hold dear still. Thought they'd have an episode dedicated to that and be all touching, but nope.
-Oh..not to mention..what the heck "is" Lag. Like Niches sister said, hes just taking the form of a human. And Dr. Thunderland realizing he has so many memories inside of him that should not even belong to him or have ever been experienced.
-I also assumed Niche may get that "emotion" surge and actually grow up a little. As her sister kinda foreshadowed that, but nope..she never grew up whatsoever.

It's like everyone is just all "well lets keep delivering letters and not care about what the Governments really doing even though we all found all this evil stuff out."

Gaaah.. my minds exploding at the end of this series.
Feb 2, 2012 9:54 AM

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yap disappointing. Many questions still lingering in the air.

Roda is supposed to be a human child who was fused with Roda dog, right? So she is only partially Roda.

The most stupid and senseless thing is though, Aria and Gauche´s relationship.
I mean, they didnt talk a word, or even tried to. Second, how is it possible that Gauche still has "feelings" left for Lag, which was a kid he only saw once.
It has logic that Gauche would keep feelings for his sister Sylvette, but for Lag?

He knew Aria since their childhood, and was always with her even working with her, how is it possible that he doesnt recall someone who´s been with him all his life? and she loved him so much!

also i noticed some Roda x Noir vibe. Basically Aria does not have a chance. T_T

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Mar 4, 2012 1:00 PM

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llamaben said:
Decent ending I guess... The first 18 episodes of the season were brilliant, but something just didn't feel right in the final 7, especially after how bad ep 19 was.

I would have given this season a 9 if it kept it up, but sadly it didn't. I'm still giving it an 8 though as most of this season was still very good.

Me too. :(

Yup. I liked the Zazie and Connor chat. It was funny. Zazie and his cats! <3

I dislike how they portrayed the mother... it was kind of lame... and Lag got superpowers... >>
Jul 31, 2012 1:08 AM
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so they let the government off the hook for doin all the shit to the ones who couldnt become spirit?? they just overlooked it?? wtf lag
Dec 22, 2012 10:12 PM

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rushed ending because it kinda felt emotionless at a few times and thats what this show thrives off! argh
Aug 18, 2013 10:55 AM
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I loved the first season but the second season,not so much.

It started off strong but Lag became more & more useless as it went on..
But what was worst was the ending..It left such a void & they never described Lag's origin & many other things like how Aris dealt with Gauche's leaving as Noir and all..It was all so hastefully ended after a wonderful start..
But still this Anime has some very strong points too :D
Sep 28, 2013 5:27 AM

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So Gauche's heart cannot be restored anymore. :(
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Dec 16, 2013 10:25 AM

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ok, I really wanted to give 2nd season also 10, but last 4 episodes totally threw me off with that decision and I'll give 8.

UNANSWERED, EMPTY, RUSHED and CONFUSING Ending which left me totally unsatisfied and speachless. Many questions and last episode was totally contradicting to story and characters.
Now. I can't believe no one realised it beside me that

and WTf then Noar can't be Gauche if he still remember something even if it's from memory of lag's pistol but it's familiar to him. I didn't like the fact that Lag also surrenders and accepted Noar instead of Gauche, since it's Gauche it's not Noar it's obvious. Noar is just made of his new delusions of Reverse and empty heart.
Then I can't believe no one brought the fact most important why Gauche went to Akatsuki to work - cause of his sister to heal her legs. I thought it will be brought along the way of some episode to help Gauche remember most important why he needs to obtain heart again.. and then it goes with the thing that he is leaving his sister alone despite the fact she is the main of all his work when he had heart..
and um other who were abandoned why the heck they all left with Noar? O.o they should stay to provide doctor enough material and also help others in the city.. why leaving I don't get it? it's not like they had disease T_T
now Lag.. who is he actually? I mean his shining,special light, eye and the fact Niche's sister Maka told in last episode that he is human just outside.. including his mom who is special case..

and the most ridiculous thing at the last 2 episodes.. WHY THE HECK THEY ACCPETED ARTIFICAL SUN even if it eats hearts of people? and it ate heart of Gauche also.. O.o they stopped Kaberne but why? even if Lorens sacrificed himself I can understand him, since the sun is really dangerous one and harmed him and other people but ordinary people they don't know.
what's the point in that artifical shining if it kills people inside? O.o I don't get why Gauche accepted finishing of Kaberne and not destroying sun? since his purpose was at the end to just save those abandoned people who were about to be given as sacrifice. But since Lorence sacrificed himself then why?
also why Director and other Letter Bees accepted everything despite those things they saw, and the people who were harmed and experimented on cause of that sun..

I really don't get the ending, to be preicise totally disappointed in ending.
But also it's sad for Gauche to finish like such pathetic character and to stay as Noar.. since to Sunny it seems pretty fine as they expect her back again, but on Gauche they gave up O.o

also it pissess me of that hierarcy system of Amberground and Akatsuki officials, and why the heck bees are so obsessed over katasuki worshiping them like some saints even after all those thing they did and they saw it by their own eyes.. I don't get it.

I hope there will be 3rd season, and I don't think I ill give manga a try, cause the ending of 2nd season really made me totally disappointed and heartbroken. x.x
ending gives me feeling like this: happy go lucky, and forget everything we are letter bees ~~ O.o


and also I think Doctor will make a way to at least bringing a part of hearts back to those abandoned ones including Gauche (Noar).. but firstly other questions need to be answered.

but all in all Jiggy Papeer was soo coool :3 ahhh Nakai Kazuya always gives voice to good characters XD and Zazi was nice ~
I really though feel sorry for Aria :((( it's really painful for her.. and Gauche haven't paid attention to her not a bit after returing and then leaving :/

ehhh.. I need some refreshing things after this huge disappointing and pissing off cause of this ending..
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Oct 10, 2014 9:54 AM

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This ending, I'M CRYING </3

Why is it over? WHY? WHY IS THE RUM GONE?

This is up there in my absolute favorites, now. Gonna go read the manga now, then.
Nov 18, 2014 9:41 AM
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Didn't like this season that much and the ending was meh and not good at all, in my opinion the first season was way better, actually the entire series was decent to me

Lag was a little bit annoying with his crying.
Feb 21, 2015 10:22 PM

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That ending was so great!!
Gauche is in Blue Notes Blues living with the people who were experimented on. I'm glad he's alive. He's so cool. T_T

Connor and Sunny! That's so cute ^,^

Zazie and cats lol I love Zazie.

It's been about 2 years since I've read the manga, so I don't remember what exactly was different. I do remember this one character who was in the manga that they took out of the anime though. I was sad that they took him out...(In the spoiler)

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Apr 25, 2015 12:45 AM

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That liar from season 1 finally became a best seller huh?

The big battle with Cabernet was pretty cool but I've never been a fan of the gaichuu fights. I was hoping they'd have done something else with the finale, especially considering all of the great build up this season had throughout with Reverse and Noir. I wasn't too moved by Lag crying when parting with Gauche/Noir. The problem with a character who cries over everything is that the emotional moments where it really counts lose effect.

Tegami Bachi Reverse is what I'd consider a good anime that didn't use its great potential. This season leaves too many unanswered questions and loose ends hanging in the wind, completely at the whim of either going to read the manga or hoping a third season comes along once it ends. Lag's mother and her role in Akatsuki, Akatsuki itself, the government's exploits for the artificial sun, and the creature dwelling in the sun are but some of the several unresolved pieces of this series. Most of this felt more like an afterthought rather than the big issues that they really were. "Oh, Lag's mom just happens to be in Akatsuki feeding the sun. Oh, the gov't is committing atrocities. Oh well, maybe one day..."

But with that rant aside, I still do believe that this was a good series regardless. Definitely a solid follow up to season 1 and I enjoyed the stronger focus on the main plot as opposed to the episodic deliveries (which were still welcome). I agree with the sentiment that this series was fantastic up until around episode 20, where it began to lose momentum until this so-so happy open ending. I did at least like how it captured the mood of Tegami Bachi at the end. The POV shot of Lag delivering the letter made it feel like he was delivering the finale to me right at my door.

My thoughts on season 1 sum up how I feel about the overall delivery of this series. A one of a kind experience with a very surreal and enticing atmosphere. I do hope they decide to go through with another season as the manga is approaching its end.

Oct 4, 2016 8:51 PM
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I really enjoyed this anime but what's kicking me is how many loose ends there are! I really hope we get blessed with a third season; I can't handle that kind of open ending. The final manga volume did come out not too long ago, so here's to hoping there'll be an announcement for it sometime in the near future!
Dec 4, 2016 6:54 PM

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so i guess that the rest of the story continues in the manga since the people reponsible for the whole mess didnt appear or given the blame too. and still... the mother
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Jan 28, 2017 2:43 PM
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So he's Noir because the Reverse leader told him, bullshit.
May 9, 2017 9:10 PM

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I'm totally super disappointed in this ending and it's all because of my selfishness that I wanted the real Gauche to return. I pretty much knew it wasn't going to happen as soon as they started making Noir a sympathetic character but I held out hope and was heartbroken anyway. I kind of want to read the manga since I know the plot is different in some ways but I don't want to want to waste time reading 20 volumes if I'm just going to be disappointed again
Jul 16, 2017 6:23 PM

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Took me a "while" to end this^^ 5/10
Dec 10, 2017 6:56 AM

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Not bad overall, but I could tell, even before learning for a fact that from episode 14 on it no longer follows the manga, that the second half was anime-original because of how things became too simple, too predictable and too cliche. Well, time to go read the manga I guess.
Sep 4, 2018 1:31 PM
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This season was entirely weaker than the first one, however, I drowned in the atmosphere of this universe every episode and now I guess I'm gonna miss these special aura characters have been creating for us. I wish it were one more season for this series...
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