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Mar 21, 2011 11:34 AM

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I've been looking to Crimson Shell as a potential indicator of the tone and death toll of PH ending too, and I see no evidence there that everyone will die. There's a decent death toll in Crimson Shell, but nothing shocking or staggering... mainly the 2 Black Roses and Xeno. So I don't think PH will have any more deaths than necessary for the plot.
 
Mar 21, 2011 11:56 AM
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Vincent is what I would consider to be Chaotic Good. He has good intentions (he wants whatever is best for Gil, even though he's cooperating with the Baskervilles for unspecified reasons), but he has a psychopathic personality.

The opposite would be Fang. He's a Lawful Evil. He was one of the bad guys, but he was a fair fighter and he sacrificed himself to save Lily.



And about the death toll, Pandora Hearts is a series, while Crimson Shell was just a oneshot. I do think that Pandora Hearts will have a larger death toll (Break is guaranteed to die in the near future, and I can't see Oscar living to the end of the series either). The best part about Jun is that she is not afraid to go for the kill (literally) by killing off fan-favorite characters. Fang was much more popular than Doug, and Eliot was waaay more popular than most of the other characters.
 
Mar 21, 2011 12:06 PM

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Break still has a very large role to play in the plot so I don't see him dying in the "near future." Currently he's the only person who can kill Baskervilles and he also has to fulfill Alyss' wish before he dies. Alyss' wish is to understand her connection to the Tragedy of Sablier, and I don't think that'll be revealed until the very end. Hence, I doubt Break can die until the very end. He still has 2+ years of chapters to go.
 
Mar 21, 2011 1:33 PM

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I don't think that Break will die soon either... He's still too important.

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Alyss' wish is to understand her connection to the Tragedy of Sablier.

That was her wish? oo
Lol, thanks, I obviously missed that part. And I've been wondering about her wish for ages. Fail.
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Though I think shit-flinging should also have standards - no personal, no behind the scenes.
 
Mar 21, 2011 2:08 PM

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misherux said:
Elliot's one of my favorite characters and every chapter I love him more and more. He's such a tragic character and his death just makes it more tragic. I'm sad that he died but at the same time I'm so proud of him for dying so honorably.


THIS. Exactly >~<

I'm really anticipating the inevitable confrontation between Gil and Vincent...

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Mar 21, 2011 3:50 PM

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That was her wish? oo
Lol, thanks, I obviously missed that part. And I've been wondering about her wish for ages. Fail.

Yep, Break explains it here, and really, while he doesn't reference Alyss specifically, why else would he care about Alyss' connection to the tragedy? He's not simply curious about what happened 100 years ago, but her connection to it in particular, and I think makes sense that Alyss would want to know that.
 
Mar 21, 2011 5:15 PM

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I always thought Jack killed Alice too, but because i thought he wanted to protect her of being used by Glen, even though killing one to save it's life is pretty much ironic.

I don't think Elliot's really dead, he can go to the abyss and make a contract with another chain, i don't know. Would be awesome if he contracts with Alyss. C':

Amazing chapter, the ending was so sad ;_;
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Mar 21, 2011 6:32 PM
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Neiru2012 said:
Break still has a very large role to play in the plot so I don't see him dying in the "near future." Currently he's the only person who can kill Baskervilles and he also has to fulfill Alyss' wish before he dies. Alyss' wish is to understand her connection to the Tragedy of Sablier, and I don't think that'll be revealed until the very end. Hence, I doubt Break can die until the very end. He still has 2+ years of chapters to go.


I say "near future" because Pandora Hearts doesn`t have much longer to go. Mochizuki said 20 volumes, and this is the second chapter in Volume 15. That`s 20 more chapters, or about a year and a half left.
 
Mar 21, 2011 6:37 PM

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She cited 20 volumes, but that she might go over. I can't see her destroying 2 sealing stones AND have the series climax in 5 volumes without horribly rushing things. That's why I project around 2-3 years' worth of chapters left. I could be wrong.
 
Mar 21, 2011 7:20 PM

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I refuse to believe that Elliot is dead, guess I'll just have to wait and see :'(
 
Mar 21, 2011 7:39 PM

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If Elliot is really dead, then please.....STAY DEAD!!!

I don't mean this in a cynical way, it just ANNOYS me to see "dead" characters come back to life....it's the ultimate Deux Ex Machina.

I gotta say, this was the first chapter in a long time that I actually enjoyed, I'm still wondering how much is left.

 
Mar 21, 2011 8:41 PM
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i don't think Mochizuki-sama is going to do another fake-out. And, to be quite honest, I think it would be a huge rip off for him to somehow come back to life. That would totally defeat everything that his death stood for.

Also; am I the only one to notice how significant the whole thing about rejecting your chain seemed? This may just be me, but i don't think we've seen the end of it for that. I'm going to predict that that'll come back someday either between Oz and Alice or Gil and Raven. Why, I have no idea. It just seemed too....big, to leave alone
 
Mar 21, 2011 10:59 PM

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Daamn. Most of my uber favorite characters end up dying or get disabilities (ノಥ益ಥ)ノ I'll laugh out of bitter irony if Echo kicks the bucket.

Gaah. This is like Death Note all over again. *puts PH on hold* ( ´_ゝ`)
 
Mar 21, 2011 11:12 PM

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Azeher said:

Not to mention, he "apparently" died hating Leo, which makes me sadder bc Leo just did all that to save him, not to turn him into an insane murderer.

I don'y think Eliot died hating Leo, the reason why he said "STAY BACK, LEO!" was because that big circle thing that seemed to cut things was near him.
 
Mar 21, 2011 11:43 PM

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Uhhhhh T^T EEELLIIIOOOOTTTTTT T^T
I'm soo gonna miss him. He was so awesome, even in his death.
I'm still hoping that he's alive somehow but I doubt it.
If he's really dead, I hope they'll see him in the abyss~. Anything, just to see him again T^T
Huuuu~ T^T Anyways, maan, Leo's reacting to the seals. I hope the baskervilles won't notice him soon,
I want him to sta on the "good side" for now. xDD
 
Mar 22, 2011 4:06 AM

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Three things before I get to Elliot;
1. I can't believe how freaking attractive Vincent is with his hair pulled back! ._. And for that, I cannot hate him.
2. Why is he working with the baskervilles again? >.>
3. Barma <3

Now to Elliot;
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! T~T
I WAS NOT EXPECTING HIM TO DIE!? /is shot for being dumb and not seeing this coming.
I-I-I... jbdslncvjbjgrfdvn?!?!?! /cries self to sleep
Though, it was kinda... Lovely? how he died? Q.Q Ok, maybe touching?
IT WAS STILL SWEET! D'<
Though, now that I clear my eyes and think about it a bit more, poor Leo!
 
Mar 22, 2011 9:54 AM
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@ Neiru2012: Hmmm, I didn't know that was her wish, either... indeed I even thought it was to eat Alice after last chapter LOLOL

I'm pretty sure everyone will die, tho. If you ask me, I think the only surviving ppl will be the supportive characters like Reim, Oscar, etc, etc...
The ones who cared for the main ones, between them Sharon who is more relevant.

The only ones have a chance to stay alive are Oz, Alice and Gil, but I believe they'll die too.

@ GracefulDownfall: lol it's ok, I like to read other's comments and answer them too.

Regarding to what everyone said about Eliot's death being beautifully portrayed and that it would suck to bring him back bc it'd ruin the whole scene... yeah! It's true.

I think Jun-sama needed his death to move the story and plot, and even when she probably felt bad for killing Eliot, she WON'T change what happened. She's demostrated to be very professional, and that's why she's the best!

I'm still depressed, tho...

@ GennyMon: That was before reading the translation. I know he tryed to keep him safe.
However it still annoys me he didn't even think a bit about him while dying.
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Mar 22, 2011 2:00 PM

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Elliot..? I hope he will be still alive but this would be weird.. don't know what I want..
Gil know that Vince is a bad boy.. interesting..
Elliot and self-sacrifice.. really ironic

Wonder if Vince know that Leo is Glen reincarnation.. and what he will told Leo about Elliot's death..
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Mar 23, 2011 7:38 AM

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Wonder if Vince know that Leo is Glen reincarnation..

I'm pretty sure he doesn't. I mean, the Baskervilles are looking for Glen, Vincent would probably tell them if he knew..

Neiru2012 said:
She cited 20 volumes, but that she might go over. I can't see her destroying 2 sealing stones AND have the series climax in 5 volumes without horribly rushing things. That's why I project around 2-3 years' worth of chapters left. I could be wrong.

Oh god, I certanly hope you're right...oo

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The only ones have a chance to stay alive are Oz, Alice and Gil, but I believe they'll die too.

I don't know, I don't really think that all of them are going to die. Somehow, I don't think Gil will...oo Idk~
About Oz and Alice... I'm not sure if both of them will die but somehow I don't think they'll have a nice, romantic, happy ending. Something will happen (be it one of them dieing or something else)
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Though I think shit-flinging should also have standards - no personal, no behind the scenes.
 
Mar 23, 2011 4:11 PM

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Wow, everyone's so... self-sacrificing. Guess this is part of what makes them so attractive ^_^;
 
Mar 24, 2011 9:33 AM
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when reim died i did have a feeling that he is actually still alive; but for elliot case.... omg he is so going to die... >_<

seriously elliot's last moment is well conducted, especially considering how he hated some1 for self-sacrificing. (somehow i m relief that it ended that way; it will be more depressing if oz had to end elliot's life with his own hand... )
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Mar 26, 2011 4:29 PM

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E-E-ELIOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NUHHHH!!!!!~
 
Mar 26, 2011 10:56 PM

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No offense but if Elliot really does die I want him to stay dead.
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Mar 26, 2011 10:58 PM

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Mourning over Elliot but...

I so called it (read: 3rd page of last chapter's discussion)

But oh god why'd he have to die sacrificing himself ;-; it just makes it so much sadder. Tears streamed people, tears streamed. That smile he put on in the last panel we get to see him, bleeding and suffering, MochiJun knows how to break them hearts.

And Oz's face. I thought he'd break down right then and there.
PH drama is really good at traumatizing its charas...

How am I going to deal with my friend when she reads it? She's going to sob and deny, sob and deny. Well, we'll cry together T _____ T
 
Mar 27, 2011 5:46 PM
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The complete loss of Elliot will heavily affect Oz, Gilbert, and Leo. Elliot is an important secondary character because he catalyzes Oz's change. Usually the hero's flaw will destroy him in most situations. Yet, Oz is attempting to reverse his fate, by giving up his passive nature. Hm..I really wonder how it'll affect them.

BUT ANYWAY.
Isn't Jack is so violent, destructive, and calculating.
Whenever Oz suddenly goes into a maniac state...most of us would point the finger at B-Rabbit (or B-Rabbit's power). I strongly feel Jack is a completely different person underneath.
 
Mar 28, 2011 6:52 AM

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I strongly feel Jack is a completely different person underneath.

I've been having that feeling for quite a while now.
I mean, before the whole thing with Oz 'going crazy' even started it felt like Jack is just too.. normal and nice. I mean, in a manga where every single character (except Sharon...for now) has issues, that kind of a person is suspicious. And after this chapter...
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Though I think shit-flinging should also have standards - no personal, no behind the scenes.
 
Mar 30, 2011 6:18 AM

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Elliot killing himself probably the best option he had in this kind of situation.
 
Apr 1, 2011 2:21 PM
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This may be wrong but I thought it might be worth mentioning......

I'm fairly certain that Oz was the one who killed Alice. It sounded like, in the beginning, he was saying, I did it again. I killed..........Alice. That's just how it came across to me. And then, on page 21, Humpty Dumpty(?) is saying, "The wish of the Will of Abyss..........eat(?) the Black Rabbit."

Okay, I have a theory that may neither be correct, but possibly Oz is somehow connected to the Will of Abyss? The only person to snap him out of his, erm, 'killing spree', or his madness (caused by Will of Abyss?) in chapter 58 was Alice, so maybe a part of him remembered what he had done and seeing Alice made it remember it didn't want to become that again....? I don't know, its hard to explain.......on paper (computer), it doesnt really make any sense -.-
 
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.....Elliots....dead? O.O
NO-! Liars............I just noticed something, When Elliot died, it was in the middle of volume 16, rite? And in Elliot and Oz's favorite book, Holy Knight, didn't Edward die a self-sacrifice in the middle of 'Holy Knight' volume 16?
Weird rite?
 
Apr 11, 2011 1:32 AM

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Really , ? What a Concidence Or is it ?
I didn't notice that

 
Apr 11, 2011 10:19 AM

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Pretty sure Elliot dies in the middle of volume 15, since volume 14 just came out and it ends with Elliot realizing he's the Head Hunter.
 
Apr 12, 2011 9:32 AM

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Neiru2012 said:
Pretty sure Elliot dies in the middle of volume 15, since volume 14 just came out and it ends with Elliot realizing he's the Head Hunter.

Oh well...

The idea would be good though xD
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Though I think shit-flinging should also have standards - no personal, no behind the scenes.
 
Jul 5, 2011 11:20 AM

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My reaction to this chapter



Elliot was my favorite character in the entire series. Now all I have left is Vincent, Oz, Gil, Alice, Reim, and Break and I doubt he will last much longer in this series. T_T

Well I have to applaud Jun for having balls to kill off her characters and not pull " jus kidding he is alive trolololol"

Even though he is my favorite I want him to stay dead cause this whole chapter would loose its emotional impact if it did.

5/5 This chapter conveyed so much emotion. Also I would rather him kill himself instead of having to put that burden on Oz or anyone else. Cause to me that would have made this whole thing even more tragic and sad.
"What has two arms, two legs, and is alive? Not your favorite character thats for sure!"
 
Jul 5, 2011 12:31 PM

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I was thinking lately - I really need to catch up with PH!
... but when i finally did, my heart just broke into pieces and I cried my eyes out :(((
WHY?!?! Why Elly?! I loved this character since his first appearance and now he's gone?
It's so not fair...
 
Jul 5, 2011 2:21 PM

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Shourii said:
I was thinking lately - I really need to catch up with PH!
... but when i finally did, my heart just broke into pieces and I cried my eyes out :(((
WHY?!?! Why Elly?! I loved this character since his first appearance and now he's gone?
It's so not fair...

Same story here man I decided to catch up on PH since I wanted to know what happened after the anime ended.

My friend told me this chapter was sad, but I didn't think this was going to happen.
"What has two arms, two legs, and is alive? Not your favorite character thats for sure!"
 
Dec 14, 2012 8:53 PM

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misherux said:
Elliot's one of my favorite characters and every chapter I love him more and more. He's such a tragic character and his death just makes it more tragic. I'm sad that he died but at the same time I'm so proud of him for dying so honorably.


THIS. Exactly >~<

I'm really anticipating the inevitable confrontation between Gil and Vincent...


I agree too!
TT^TT Poor Elliot! I'm really sad about his death!
 
Dec 6, 2013 6:53 PM

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Goodbye Elliot Nightray, we'll miss you.
best character in Pandora Hearts. the way the author handled this character is brilliant. his personality, his relationship with Leo, the plot twists about his identity, everything is well-done.
ohhh man, i'm having waaay too many feelings right now..
 
May 25, 2014 12:25 AM

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I can't believe he's dead..
RIP Elliot
 
Nov 16, 2014 1:27 AM

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Well that was one hell of an emotional chapter.
Ironic that Elliot sacrificed himself to save others.
I wonder how Oz is going to take this death. And can't wait to see how Gil will face off to Vincent now that he knows he's with the baskervilles.
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Nov 27, 2015 7:45 PM

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Oh man, who put all these onions here?
So officially by this point, plot armour is non existent: Fan-fucking-tastic. -_-"
Elliot's death was so fucking sad(And ironic)and I have a feeling that all the contractors will end up like him tbh. That's just a theory I currently have.
Elliot was a great character, and he just had to kick the bucket, didn't he? My god, this mangaka hates me.
Amazing chapter, 10/10 manga currently.
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Dec 3, 2015 8:06 AM

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Elliot is the man ;~; Sad to see him go :(
 
Dec 11, 2015 5:41 PM

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Huhuhuhuhu. Elliot.... breaks my heart. T_T
 
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Elliot sacrificing himself, the irony...so sad T_T
This is probably for the best though, he probably wouldn't be able to live knowing that he killed his siblings...
Gonna really miss him and his tsuntsun...
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