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Mar 11, 2011 1:21 AM

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It's now come to the point where I think I'll need to re-watch this series when it finished. Not that that's a problem, seeing as this show is totally epic.

My only problem with this episode is that it felt way too fast. I didn't really get a chance to feel the relationship between Homura and Madoka and in the end Homura's motivation to do everything felt a bit forced. I wish they'd played that out more, and I think they could have if they'd just gone for 13 episodes.
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Mar 11, 2011 1:36 AM

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Yumekichi11 said:
metamorphius said:
Still, I'm not very happy to see Endless Eight-esque loop
I don't understand why everyone is thinking this of being endless eight when clearly nothing repeats itself by much IMO.


I'd say it's more Higurashi-esque than Endless Eight-esque.
 
Mar 11, 2011 1:51 AM

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It really felt like episode 0, especially because they did the opening at the end.
So everything is clear now and that leaves only 2 episodes left >.<

But damn it was great to see Mami again ! Good that she never found out about the witch thing in the current timeline... her pure heart couldn't take it :O

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Mar 11, 2011 2:05 AM

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Jesus fucking Christ that was breathtaking :O I literally watched most of that episode with my jaw dropped

That's it.... This is officially now the greatest anime ever made (and its not even finished yet)

Words cannot describe the awesome

If this isnt on the top list of mal in the next few months I think it should be put there, irrespectively of what the votes say

No other series has deserved a 10/10 so much
 
Mar 11, 2011 2:08 AM

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really an exceptional ep!! homura transforming from inocent to badass just amazing
 
Mar 11, 2011 2:19 AM

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God,that was epic...wait normal weapons has effects on witches....damn!! send in the army!!...well aside from that...It was truly amazing!! XD

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Now that I think about it, wasn't Mami a bit odd in this episode? I thought that she, of all people, would know about whole "magical girls -> witches" thing.
Or what? She's supposedly been going around hunting witches (and purifying her soul gem while at it) for a long time. And not even once she asked: "Hey, QB, actually, why do I have to purify my SG, and what happens if i don't?". And you know, fluffy bastard shown himself to be a honest pers... creature. Of sorts.


Geik's right...kyuubei would just put it that way....and Why Mami? the moment she know the secret she snapped first because of her fate...and she'll transform into something horrible...remember that she wishes to be rescued from death...so fear of death lingers but unlike the witch hunt(where she thought, she could just fight and live until she died), death was inevitable

Sorry for the confusing answer XD

That was so epic!!


 
Mar 11, 2011 2:44 AM

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This ep kind of reminds me of Majora's Mask: whereby Homura must do all that she can in time for the final showdown with...that Walrus Witch, or however it's spelt haha.

But it really is like Majora's Mask yeah? In the first run-through Homura has no powers and she only gains the time travel ability right at the end, just like when Link gets the Ocarina of Time back. And subsequently playthroughs followed by a time reset is just Homura getting stronger.

I don't think Homura had any intention of saving any of Sayaka, Mami or Kyoko. Remember, she let Mami die before killing the witch that killed her (Mami); and I'm sure Homura could've also taken out Sayaka's Witch and saved Kyoko as well - but that would've stopped us from seeing her sincere face before she died, that was worth it. And finally, she wanted to kill Sayaka off before she became a witch, because she just simply couldn't convince her not to be an emo-bitch.

Homura must have some final plan where she can kill off that final witch all by herself. Hope ep 12 will give us that final showdown; though I anticipate she's going to go back in time...again. Either that or Madoka becomes a magical girl and this time round something happens that'll prevent Madoka from being a witch, like maybe she'll wish to not be a witch.
 
Mar 11, 2011 3:01 AM
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Dracos33 said:

But seriously, I've been thinking about who the Walpurgis night witch is and I think its Homura herself.Over and over again she has been going through the same time line to correct things, and she has been growing stronger in every way.


I was about to post this, but got ninja'd. Yes, this would be the logical conclusion. The evidence is there in plain sight (aka the best place to hide it) - Walpurgis has a cog/gear theme to her. Homura is the only one we know who has a clockwork device.

Going by general time-paradox knowledge, the simplest way would be to kill Homura. When you think about it, her being alive is EXACTLY is one thing constant in all timelines. And in all timelines her death is somehow prevented by Madoka: saved from the witch in 1, saved from batshit insane Mami, soul gem purified, Walpurgis 1HKO'd. This would also mean that her wish to save Madoka was the event that set up the entire loop in the first place.
 
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Great episode. :) It surprised me a lot, seeing Mami again, seeing Mami go nuts, seeing Homura go from .. hard to explain to badass. One thing bugs me though, she seems to have completely gotten rid of her physical weakness. Even if she time travels she shouldn't be cured of it. Well perhaps we just never saw her in enough action to notice her weakness.

All the Kyubey blowing up was great too. :P

ALSO! Another thing. If Madoka really is so great (and will thus release the most energy when she will turn into the strongest witch), why did Kyubey actually grant Homura's wish? He could've figured that she wll never successfully do it. In the worst case scenario, she could even completely kill Madoka before she became a Puella Magi, thus completely screwing Kyubey off. Unless each time Madoka turns into the greatest witch the energy is realeased and is not lost after every time leap.
Don't forget that Madoka died before becoming a witch in Homura's original timeline, so Kyubey had nothing to lose when he granted Homura's wish, as Madoka wasn't becoming a witch and giving Kyubey any more energy there anyway.

As for Homura's physical condition, I guess it is a result of being a mahou shoujo. I remember Kyoko saying to Sayaka that mahou shoujo are many times stronger than a normal human and are capable of permanently disabling a person with little effort. Homura is also visibly seen using magic to improve her eyesight in one scene, and she may have very well improved herself physically in that scene as well.
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Mar 11, 2011 3:15 AM

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wow, that was something! ;D they died so many times, I hope Homura finally find a good ending ;]

in this episode, you will die horribly... *laughs just as shion*
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Mar 11, 2011 3:57 AM

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Homura must have some final plan where she can kill off that final witch all by herself.

Stuff some anti-ship missiles up her sleeve? Now that would be a serious claim for the most unconventional mahou shoujo powerup ever.
 
Mar 11, 2011 4:01 AM

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a 10 is way too low for this show, can the rating system be edited?
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Mar 11, 2011 4:01 AM
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Remember that every wish in the end balances out, eventually Homura will turn into a witch and also maybe if Madoka never becomes a magical girl she never becomes good friends with her either
 
Mar 11, 2011 4:07 AM

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But I really, really don't like Homura's motivation for giving her all to prevent Madoka from becoming one.

Oh, I loved it. Madoka was nice to her straight from the start, didn't make fun of her, gave her pep-talks, so Homura wishing to go back in time to save Madoka made sense to me. Along the line she promises Madoka to save her from making a contract, thus making it her responsibility.
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Other than that, this episode was kinda messed up. ED right after half the episode passed, and OP where the ED should've been. ┐( ̄ー ̄)┌
Well, guess that's understandable, since the whole episode revolved around messed up timelines.
That wasn't the ED, it was Mami's theme. And I loved how the OP took the place of the ED. When you read the lyrics, it fits perfectly. And I won't be surprised if they change the ED into OP next ep.
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I might be remembering this wrong, though, but didn't Homura say she didn't expect Sayaka to become a magical girl?

She did. Sayaka only contracted 1 time it seems, and Homura hadn't counted on it to happen again, and Madoka nearly contracting because of that.
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But seriously, I've been thinking about who the Walpurgis night witch is and I think its Homura herself.Over and over again she has been going through the same time line to correct things, and she has been growing stronger in every way.
Yes, the gears sure hint at Homura being the witch.
But than there must be 2 timeloops: 1 where Homura turns into Walpurgis-witch everytime, and 1 being the one we've seen with Homura trying to protect Madoka.
Maybe Madoka contracted way back upon seeing Homura turn into W-witch, making a similar wish as Homura. But than her bow wouldn't make much sense.
And I wonder if Homura can become a witch before her wish has been fullfilled.
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In my point of view, she never "resets" time, but merely creates alternate realities, that's to say, the events that happen in a one reality stay unchanged.
Than how come it looks like Madoka is starting to remember Homura?
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What I would do however, if I had the power to travel back in time, is that I would have a great time.
Besides, there's no telling that my dear friend in this timeline will be exactly the same when branching out in a new timeline.

Wow, I couldn't do that knowing the city will be destroyed in 2 weeks time and my friend is about to die, especially as that friend has been kind, caring and trusting in every timeline.
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One thing bugs me though, she seems to have completely gotten rid of her physical weakness.
She was completely out of breath after recovering Sayaka's soulgem.
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If Madoka really is so great (and will thus release the most energy when she will turn into the strongest witch), why did Kyubey actually grant Homura's wish?
I've been wondering about that too. But in this ep we'll see that Madoka doesn't turn into a witch in the initial timeline. So Homura doing a reset, means he'll get another shot as well.

@Yumekichi11:
1st timeline barrier of the witch was based on Guernica, a painting of Picasso, made after the Germans completely destroyed the Basque town with the same name.
The runes for the witches are translated, see at the Wiki
I've been thinking about the butterfly effect. I'm rewatching, but I think those drops we've seen falling in several episodes may be tied to that.

It's interesting that along the way, Homura is making matters worse.
Initial timeline: Mami & Madoka defeat witch and die
loop1: Mami dies, Madoka defeats witch and turns into a witch herself
loop2:Mami, Sayaka, Kyouko die, Homura & Madoka defeat witch, Homura ends up killing Madoka before she turns into a witch. (and gets traumatised so badly, she changes herself into the cold person we've seen).
loop3: She tries to do it herself, but Madoka contracts in the end, defeats the witch with 1 strike and instantly turns into a witch. QB comments she'll destroy the entire planet within a couple of days. "LOL, not my problem."
loop4: Madoka's potential seems even bigger than in loop3
Homura & Madoka are changing along with it, starting with saving a friend to saving the world by stopping Madoka from contracting.
The big difference is that this time Madoka knows the ins and outs before making a contract.

At first it was weird that Madoka-witch looked like a mountain, but it makes perfect sense:
Walpurgis night: "Walpurgis Night (in German folklore) the night of 30 April (May Day's eve), when witches meet on the Brocken mountain and hold revels with their gods...
Brocken is the highest of the Harz Mountains of north central Germany. It is noted for the phenomenon of the Brocken spectre and for witches' revels which reputedly took place there on Walpurgis night."
Now take a look at the Brocken spectre: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brocken_spectre
 
Mar 11, 2011 4:23 AM

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Entropy and now Time Manipulation...... :D
 
Mar 11, 2011 4:36 AM
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This series is going STRAIGHT up into 10/10 territories even though I didn't liked it as much at first.

Although the actual plot was rather predictable, what SHAFT has done with it was simply incredible, the way they showed these 5 timeloops in a single episode was simply brilliant, I'm looking at you, KyoAni. To show the opening at the end was also an extremely smart move. The animation was also much better this time. (probably because this time most of SHAFT's staff actually worked here)

Crazy visuals, crazy pacing, even though this is only one episode they packed so many high-tension moments in, simply incredible. Voice acting was SUPERB, incredible casting of SHAFT-veteran Chiwa Saito and Yuuki Aoi, really helped this shows' good atmosphere. This episode had many incredible cinematic scenes, which would make for good wallpapers.

5/5 episode, no, 10/10 episode, it doesn't get much better than that.
 
Mar 11, 2011 4:37 AM

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Oh Jesus.
That ending where Mami was trying to kill them all was way too shocking.
And now I feel so sorry for Homura. ;_______;
 
Mar 11, 2011 4:46 AM
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Wow, what an episode. Explains a lot.

And about the solution to the paradox. I came across a speculation:
The speculation is based on the following assumption of the world:
(1) For every mahou shoujo created, a witch will result in the end.
(2) The Walpurgisnacht is caused when a strong mahou shoujo turns into a witch
(3) The one who averts the Walpurgisnacht will be the strongest mahou shoujo but also in consequence turn into the strongest witch(no more grief seeds so the soul gem will expire) and destroy the world (because there arent any more mahou shoujo left).

The only solution to save the world is if Madoka wished something along the lines 'I want to be a mahou shoujo forever'. When homura (and possibly madoka) defeat the current Walpurgisnacht, there will be no more witches, so homura will have to turn into a witch eventually (the strongest no doubt, also this is inevetable because she has used up her wishes) . Madoka will then have the final battle with the witch that was once homura. With this the circle is closed, leaving only one mahou shoujo in the whole world and no more witches. And the world is not destroyed.

Seems harsh but its the only explanation that i found that works...
 
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I don't have enough mind to blow for the next 2 episodes.
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Mar 11, 2011 4:55 AM

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Best episode so far. At first I thought it was something stupid like a dream or Homura's consciousness, but it went all crazy and completely changed the show. Wonder if the time loop will end this time or if we get BAD END.

Also, I am completely depressed now. Awesome.
 
Mar 11, 2011 5:15 AM

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This is was one of the best episodes I ever saw, I'm speechless

5/5
 
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NotJackFrost said:
Dracos33 said:

But seriously, I've been thinking about who the Walpurgis night witch is and I think its Homura herself.Over and over again she has been going through the same time line to correct things, and she has been growing stronger in every way.


I was about to post this, but got ninja'd. Yes, this would be the logical conclusion. The evidence is there in plain sight (aka the best place to hide it) - Walpurgis has a cog/gear theme to her. Homura is the only one we know who has a clockwork device.

Going by general time-paradox knowledge, the simplest way would be to kill Homura. When you think about it, her being alive is EXACTLY is one thing constant in all timelines. And in all timelines her death is somehow prevented by Madoka: saved from the witch in 1, saved from batshit insane Mami, soul gem purified, Walpurgis 1HKO'd. This would also mean that her wish to save Madoka was the event that set up the entire loop in the first place.


Well, her wish to save Madoka obviously is the reason for the entire loop.

At one point, I also pondered about the possibility of Homura being Walpurgisnacht, mainly because i am very curious about that witch's identity. However, after the episode 10, it's kinda tough to justify this theory for we saw that, in the first timeline (the one with moe Homura) Madoka became a witch after she fought Walpurgisnacht. And Homura was there, not even a MS yet, so how could she be her? Of course, in case they actually go with that scenario, they could always explain it with something like 'Homura's time traveling to the past messed up the entire space-time continuum'.
Hmmm, but your theory did make me remember another thing. Homura is from the future i.e. she doesn't belong to the current timeline. OK. But, where is the real Homura from the present then? So, who knows, you guys could be onto sth.
Well, I know I'm not making much sense, rebutting even myself xD but this anime's so prefect for speculah, though I'm probably way off.

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Now that I think about it, wasn't Mami a bit odd in this episode? I thought that she, of all people, would know about whole "magical girls -> witches" thing.
Or what? She's supposedly been going around hunting witches (and purifying her soul gem while at it) for a long time. And not even once she asked: "Hey, QB, actually, why do I have to purify my SG, and what happens if i don't?". And you know, fluffy bastard shown himself to be a honest pers... creature. Of sorts.

While she did take me by surprise with certain actions, namely killing Kyoko, I don't think she knew about MS>witches thing in any of the timelines. In the episode 1, she thanks Madoka for saving QB calling him 'a precious friend of hers'. You clearly wouldn't say that about someone who tricked you into becoming a zombie destined to turn into a witch once your battery runs empty. IMO she was somewhat naive, believing in classic magical girls who save the day and are accompanied by a cute magical being serving as their advisor.

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And honestly at this point, I think a happy ending would count as getting trolled. It's weird, I really feel like my overall satisfaction with this series will decrease by a pretty decent amount if it doesn't follow through to an amazingly depressing finale.

Oh, for some reason, I so agree with that.
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Wow.. Homura has the weight of the world on her shoulders. Brilliant episode.
 
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At one point, I also pondered about the possibility of Homura being Walpurgisnacht, mainly because i am very curious about that witch's identity. However, after the episode 10, it's kinda tough to justify this theory for we saw that, in the first timeline (the one with moe Homura) Madoka became a witch after she fought Walpurgisnacht. And Homura was there, not even a MS yet, so how could she be her? Of course, in case they actually go with that scenario, they could always explain it with something like 'Homura's time traveling to the past messed up the entire space-time continuum'.
Hmmm, but your theory did make me remember another thing. Homura is from the future i.e. she doesn't belong to the current timeline. OK. But, where is the real Homura from the present then? So, who knows, you guys could be onto sth.
Well, I know I'm not making much sense, rebutting even myself xD but this anime's so prefect for speculah, though I'm probably way off.


I have written a story long ago that dealt with a similar time loop where the protagonist must set things right in order to prevent a bad end, so my brain is full of theories how this might work:
1)Homura isn't physically travelling back in time, but resetting the universe to the beginning of the day when she first met Madoka.

2)A possibility is that her consciousness is transferred to the past!Homura and she's still physically in ending number 1. Since all girls had their wishes backfire, this could be Homura's.
Simply put, after she succeeds in saving Madoka, she returns to ending 1 where it all began, her Soul Gem becomes a GS, turning into Walpurgisnacht. Homura keeps her powers in witch form and, realising that this is all her fault, goes back in time to kill herself in the usual Delusioned Witch manner. Thus, the cycle is created.

3)Every time Homura goes back, the initial Homura is ejected to somewhere outside the timeline, where she contracts QB/something else and eventually turns into Walpurgis.

Owch. My brain.
Also,pardon if there will be a multitude of posts. Myinternet spiked when I tried posting this.
 
Mar 11, 2011 5:59 AM

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This episode was soo awesome!!! I'm glad that Mami died before finding out the truth. But it really makes me wonder how Homura alone is going to defeat Valpurgis Night. :/
 
Mar 11, 2011 6:04 AM

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HOLY SHEEEET~

Homura changed so much, through all the time looping.

And now, all those people who were hating Madoka for not being a Mahou Shoujo by now, they now know the reason why. :/

It was epic.
 
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The only solution to save the world is if Madoka wished something along the lines 'I want to be a mahou shoujo forever'. When homura (and possibly madoka) defeat the current Walpurgisnacht, there will be no more witches, so homura will have to turn into a witch eventually (the strongest no doubt, also this is inevetable because she has used up her wishes) . Madoka will then have the final battle with the witch that was once homura. With this the circle is closed, leaving only one mahou shoujo in the whole world and no more witches. And the world is not destroyed.

Seems harsh but its the only explanation that i found that works...


Then she should just say: 'I wish no more witches can be created and no more Puella Magi's shall turn into witches ever again.' Save Madoka AND Homura. ;D

Btw, I'm extremely slow, but if you think about it, Soul Gems turning into Grief Seeds was made so obvious we didn't see it(well, some of us):
SG -> GS ;D

Oh, and by the way, I might be wrong, but doesn't Walpurgis from timeline 1 look different from the one in.. 3 or 4? Her dress looks way longer in the 3rd/4rth(Shall try to make this into pictures and edit them in..)
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So basically, Homura is a badass time stopping mahou shoujo version of Rika from Higurashi. Interesting, interesting.
 
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That's some maximum trolling from Gen there. Really, to think it'd all be so simple. All that's left if to know what exactly the Walpurgis Night is and how to stop the shit without Madoka becoming a MH and good end clearly possible. Don't troll anymore, give us something unexpected next episode.

Homura's awesome anyway. <3
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Well, that sure explained a lot...
And woot @ crazy Mami. I loved it.

My theory is that when Madoka makes a contract again, Homura will kill herself out of misery (because this show is very much capable of doing stuff like that). I mean, there must be a limit to what Homura can take.
 
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Actually, I'm not entirely certain that she died. Sure, it might seem that way, but really, look at it. In timeline.. 3? Madoka defeated the Witch in one go, and she's supposedly as powerful in any timeline. However in the first she simply.. dies? It seems a bit illogical to me. She probably got sucked dry of her magic, fell down and is about to turn into a witch, which Homura doesn't know at that point.

Or she really died.. but then.. it kinda doesn't make sense to see her fuck up that badly.
personally i think madoka did died in timeline 1, since her soul gem was not in her hand (broke maybe?) n i think madoka did defeat the Walpurgis night in every single timeline (the only diff is whether madoka end up dying or become witch)

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Another thing.. perhaps it was just shown badly, but the day Homura enters the class, Madoka meets Kyubey, and makes a contract, aye? Well in the first timeline Homura obviously doesn't do anything, we see her at the blackboard and during PE class and it seems to be the very same day, however, later on she gets attacked by a witch (or spawns, whatever). Then Madoka mentions that she just contracted last week.. or something.

Urg, I'm probably missing some obvious or something.
u did miss something, the day when homura woke up in hospital is more than one week b4 she attend the school (c the calender, 16 is the day she leave the hospital, 23 is the day she attend the school)

summaries of my thought (n many others too):

- base on previous timeline, there isnt really a way to defeat Walpurgis night unless by sacrificing madoka...

- they nvr showed what madoka wish for, which i think will be the last trump card

- everything will be over if homura died
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I've been wishing for a bad ending so far but now... I'm not so sure. I mean, if it ends badly, Homura would just repeat it all over again and I want a conclusion. Besides, this episode made me feel really sad. And I truly want her to achieve her objective - saving Madoka.

Anyway, it was a great episode. A truly great one. The best one so far.
 
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This episode is over 9000/10. It resolved most of the heated issues and theories that cropped up for nine episodes; it was also an intense cocktail of emotion; it was also devastating.

It breaks my heart watching Madoka cry... or die.
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NotJackFrost said:
NotJackFrost said:
Dracos33 said:

But seriously, I've been thinking about who the Walpurgis night witch is and I think its Homura herself.Over and over again she has been going through the same time line to correct things, and she has been growing stronger in every way.


I was about to post this, but got ninja'd. Yes, this would be the logical conclusion. The evidence is there in plain sight (aka the best place to hide it) - Walpurgis has a cog/gear theme to her. Homura is the only one we know who has a clockwork device.

Going by general time-paradox knowledge, the simplest way would be to kill Homura. When you think about it, her being alive is EXACTLY is one thing constant in all timelines. And in all timelines her death is somehow prevented by Madoka: saved from the witch in 1, saved from batshit insane Mami, soul gem purified, Walpurgis 1HKO'd. This would also mean that her wish to save Madoka was the event that set up the entire loop in the first place.

Doesn't explain the first Walpurgis night witch in the first and original timeline. If not it would make sense. Last time people said it was Sayaka and they were wrong about that =P.
 
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This is how the king and queen of all badasses was made.
 
Mar 11, 2011 8:32 AM

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I love this show!
 
Mar 11, 2011 9:01 AM

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Homura resetting just killed the despair factor for the death of the three girls(4 if she fails again).

They should change the title to Puella Magica Homura. But man that is some good twist.
 
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Homura in pigtails is cute.

Madoka as a Mahou Shoujo is more cute than powerful but she has a good sense of justice as a result of being one.

All that murder after Sayaka's death, way to break the nice girl, good thing Madoka killed Mami out of self defense, it beats the sandworm witch anyday.


 
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My take on this: I think a 'good End' (for a lack of better words) could be achieved by Homura and Madoka commiting suicide after walpurgis is defeated.

Personally, I doubt Homura will ever find the 'perfect' solution for this little Visual Novel of hers, no matter how often she loads the savegame.

Maybe there isn't a good end. Maybe she just needs to prevent a bad end.
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Mar 11, 2011 9:19 AM
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Homuhomu is mai waifu do not steal
 
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http://forum.evageeks.org/viewtopic.php?p=435570&sid=482366b77a074f8bdd060adcf29620c3

- Q - From an animation point of view, were there specific instructions from Shinbo or InuCurry?

- A - Shinbo would say something on the drawings on the layout and the situation design, like "I want here to be like this". But he did not say much about the personality of the characters. He only said "A character that killed other people cannot get happy end". As for InuCurry, they kept explaining to me about the characteristics of the witches, and I thought "wow, that's really detailed!" lol

- "A character that killed other people cannot get happy end"

Doesn't sound like good news for Homuhomu.

Confirmed for killing others:
Mami
Madoka
Homura

Unconfirmed:
Sayaka

If witches count:
Kyouko too.

Fuck.
 
Mar 11, 2011 9:30 AM

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Amazing episode, I got to see my Mami again however it was horrible seeing her lose her mental state and kill one of my other favourite characters.

Got a new found respect for Homura though, she really has went through hell. I hope she succeeds in her mission.


 
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Cool ep, but here's a random thought: this show would be even better if it was a movie instead of tv series.
 
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This episode was nothing short of amazing, sooo awesome to see Madoka in magical girl form. Somewhat sad episode to see lots of death but it explained a ton of stuff. I also really liked the part where madoka was skillfully dodging the wheels. This episode just confirmed that this is the best anime ive seen in a while.
 
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Well... fuck. That was outstanding.

Although expected, I'm disappointed to know that, to Homura, the whole world can go fuck itself, if it's for Madoka's sake.
Still, badassery galore. Right now, Homura is a character I both love and hate in equal ways.
Homura + M240 = Win.

Well, I'm gonna hold off on discussnig theories until the thread cools down, but for now, there was someone as early as episode 7 that suggested Madoka would suicide at the end. At this pint, I think I'm ready to believe it...
"Tonight, I sit in the eye of the storm. As fire boils around me, I press forward, winds and lightning lashing my wings. I am no match for what I face. Yet I will not back down, and though fear may place it's stranglehold on my heart, courage will see me through. With tears in my eyes, I hit full throttle. My engines become an inferno, and my weapons light up, awaiting my command.

If I die tonight, I will do so fighting for everything I believe in."


 
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StellaNoxFleuret said:
Amazing episode, it reminded me a lot of Tsubasa Reservoir Chronicle's time paradox.

I was surprised to see Homura as a shy girl with no much of coincidence. But the timeline cyrcle and those events changed into cold & strong which is better.

Now I wonder what was Madoka's wish on Timeline A.


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Finaly!!! some light over Homura, i was waiting for this so much.
We also got to see Madoka´s combat form ^^
What an epic episode.
 
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prismheart said:

Problem is: Homura's wish is centered on Madoka's survival, not on the other girls. So for all girls to survive, someone else has to make a wish/use her magic.
I also doubt she'll want Sayaka involved again. Experience has shown that Sayaka is very stubborn and distrustfull, She had her hopes on Kyouko, but Sayaka ruined that plan. Speaking of Kyouko: I wonder why she was in that 2nd timeline, while there were already 4 Magical girls (before Sayaka turned witch) in town.
Also: we haven't had any confirmation yet that the witch-system will be over once they'll beat the Walp-witch. In fact Kyouko's comments suggests that a Walp-witch has been defeated before (in another town), and the system is still there.

NotJackFrost said:
Going by general time-paradox knowledge, the simplest way would be to kill Homura. When you think about it, her being alive is EXACTLY is one thing constant in all timelines.
Not quite. Homura resets to the day before Madoka contracts: http://images.puella-magi.net/4/4c/Ep10-calendar.jpg
Mami is already a magical girl at that time and QB will still be after Madoka. The fact that we don't see Mami during 1 of the timelines, could mean she was already dead at the time Walp-witch appeared.

NotJackFrost said:
Wow, interesting. With Madoka showing signs of remembering Homura, I think we don't have the 'Homura comes from timeline 1 and appears in timeline 2 at some point'. Sidenote though: Mami's wish didn't backfire (Idon't want to die (alone)/ Safe me - manga version).

-Vid said:
Actually, I'm not entirely certain that she died. Sure, it might seem that way, but really, look at it. In timeline.. 3? Madoka defeated the Witch in one go, and she's supposedly as powerful in any timeline. However in the first she simply.. dies? It seems a bit illogical to me.
Maybe she makes a different wish in every timeline, which influences her capability. We still don't know why Madoka has this insane potential, but maybe it increased with every reset.
 
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cleo said:
@Yumekichi11:
1st timeline barrier of the witch was based on Guernica, a painting of Picasso, made after the Germans completely destroyed the Basque town with the same name.
Excellent info cleo once again. Destruction as the theme was in that part but also murder, whom I was not far from in assuming and those deformed figures may have been murdered people and killed off in what represented that world.
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The runes for the witches are translated, see at the Wiki
I've been thinking about the butterfly effect. I'm rewatching, but I think those drops we've seen falling in several episodes may be tied to that.

I have analyzed the names and came closest in regards to Isadel to this whom might not have anything to do with the name but upon coming to Patricia's name it does make sense with thisas it may imply her being a noble and problems within the figure skating world may have lead her to Grief.
cleo said:
At first it was weird that Madoka-witch looked like a mountain, but it makes perfect sense:
Walpurgis night: "Walpurgis Night (in German folklore) the night of 30 April (May Day's eve), when witches meet on the Brocken mountain and hold revels with their gods...
Brocken is the highest of the Harz Mountains of north central Germany. It is noted for the phenomenon of the Brocken spectre and for witches' revels which reputedly took place there on Walpurgis night."
Now take a look at the Brocken spectre: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brocken_spectre
Once again excellent information, as I concur it makes more sense now that I have checked it out. I also shall put this in case people miss it, a rather excellent graph of the timelines in the spoiler
it was worth checking it out as it simplifies things a lot compared to my writing.
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