Forum SettingsEpisode Information
Forums
Poll: Mahou Shoujo Madoka★Magica Episode 9 Discussion


Apr 27, 2017 1:27 PM

Offline
Joined: Feb 2016
Posts: 2582
HapHazrD said:
Bla bla entropy... blabla universe... blabla ET... MAGIC!!!
What a meaningful and precise explanation from our friend Kyubei. /s
Full of pathetic spiritual excuses and pseudo science jargon. It doesn't even make sense within its own skewed logic. Why would you send magical girls battle witches and risking losing your energy sources that way, fucking stupid.
Actually scratch that, I found funny that the reason why there are only magical girls is because they're the most unstable and easy to break.

Usage of word "magic" is fine, he can't explain his technology to 15 year old girls. That's defined by shows logic, Madoka isn't hard science sci-fi. He doesn't lose energy in the long run either.

Psychology approves.
 
Apr 27, 2017 1:54 PM

Offline
Joined: Jan 2015
Posts: 1270
Aquamirror said:
HapHazrD said:
Bla bla entropy... blabla universe... blabla ET... MAGIC!!!
What a meaningful and precise explanation from our friend Kyubei. /s
Full of pathetic spiritual excuses and pseudo science jargon. It doesn't even make sense within its own skewed logic. Why would you send magical girls battle witches and risking losing your energy sources that way, fucking stupid.
Actually scratch that, I found funny that the reason why there are only magical girls is because they're the most unstable and easy to break.

Usage of word "magic" is fine, he can't explain his technology to 15 year old girls. That's defined by shows logic, Madoka isn't hard science sci-fi. He doesn't lose energy in the long run either.

Psychology approves.

If the show wants me to accept "magic", it shouldn't try to explain it to me. Like, I'm fine with Mami pulling 20 guns out of her miniskirt, the "it's magic" works cause the show never calls it to the watcher's attention. When Kyubei spends 10 minutes trying to blatantly bullshit me, just to make stupid rehashed "psychological" arguments about livestock or the greater good, you can't expect me to sit here and swallow the Koolaid.
If you're fine with it and are able to "turn off your brain" as they say, then more power to you.
 
Apr 28, 2017 6:04 AM

Offline
Joined: Apr 2016
Posts: 419
HapHazrD said:
Aquamirror said:

Usage of word "magic" is fine, he can't explain his technology to 15 year old girls. That's defined by shows logic, Madoka isn't hard science sci-fi. He doesn't lose energy in the long run either.

Psychology approves.

If the show wants me to accept "magic", it shouldn't try to explain it to me. Like, I'm fine with Mami pulling 20 guns out of her miniskirt, the "it's magic" works cause the show never calls it to the watcher's attention. When Kyubei spends 10 minutes trying to blatantly bullshit me, just to make stupid rehashed "psychological" arguments about livestock or the greater good, you can't expect me to sit here and swallow the Koolaid.
If you're fine with it and are able to "turn off your brain" as they say, then more power to you.


The show just tried to show the viewers that everything comes at a cost, you can't expect to gain something for free. On a broader scale, before "signing" a contract, read the terms carefully or you'll regret later, or even come banging at the contractor's place and make all useless rant. People have the tendency to look at the closest merit without even thinking of the drawback in the long run, hence their rage/despair/regret/depression when shit hits the fan.

QB race represents big companies that only care about profit and gives no crap to the possible outcome and its employee (watch Capitalism a love story from Michael Moore and you'll see). But anyway i'm just interpreting the show my own way, if you still can't accept the show's explanation then it's its fault for not succeeding in conveying the message in a clear way, i won't pursue you into it.
 
Apr 28, 2017 7:09 AM

Offline
Joined: Feb 2016
Posts: 2582
HapHazrD said:
Aquamirror said:

Usage of word "magic" is fine, he can't explain his technology to 15 year old girls. That's defined by shows logic, Madoka isn't hard science sci-fi. He doesn't lose energy in the long run either.

Psychology approves.

If the show wants me to accept "magic", it shouldn't try to explain it to me. Like, I'm fine with Mami pulling 20 guns out of her miniskirt, the "it's magic" works cause the show never calls it to the watcher's attention. When Kyubei spends 10 minutes trying to blatantly bullshit me, just to make stupid rehashed "psychological" arguments about livestock or the greater good, you can't expect me to sit here and swallow the Koolaid.
If you're fine with it and are able to "turn off your brain" as they say, then more power to you.

I don't see anything wrong with it, it fits his motives and character, how would you want him to explain anything in that case? His speech answered numerous questions about the whole purpose and reason of his doings. Now if you don't like the anime that's fine, but there's nothing logically wrong from in-universe perspective in that scene.
Modified by Aquamirror, Apr 28, 2017 7:17 AM
 
Jun 16, 2017 3:25 AM

Offline
Joined: Nov 2011
Posts: 8990
Wow. I knew Kyuubei would be evil going into this... but he just keeps sinking further. The writers came up with a surprisingly good explanation for him to be doing what he's doing, but I don't believe for a moment that he doesn't understand what he claims to not understand. If he didn't understand what he was doing, he wouldn't be purposely hiding what being a mahou shoujo entails from the potentials.

He knows nobody would become a mahou shoujo if they knew everything, so he hides those aspects unless they become explicitly relevant. Hence deception.

As for the rest of the episode, it's too bad that their desperate attempt to save Sayuka didn't work, and worse still that Sakura died in the process. Now Homura really is in a pinch... that scene in the first episode will likely he reappearing soon.

The real question is how all of this can be stopped. My best guess stems from some previous speculation on Madoka/Homura. If Madoka becomes the strongest mahou shoujo ever, she could defeat every witch in existence and kill herself afterwards to prevent herself from continuing destruction... but they would have to kill all of the Incubators, and of course suggesting that someone kill themself is still super extreme.

It's the only way out I see to this mess, though.
 
Sep 20, 2017 5:41 AM

Offline
Joined: Jun 2016
Posts: 4585
Did Sakura just fucking died and Sayaka is beyond saving now!?!?!?! OHMYGOD.

Maaan, the risk of becoming a magical girl is just too much. When Madoka started crying on Sayaka's body, I cried harder. Sayaka was my fave character her then now she's gone. I'm not okaaaaaay. What the fuck!

Idk why, but I can't hate Kyubey even though he's so vile and his kind, too. Jesus fucking Christ. THIS SHOW, MAAAAN! NOPE! NOPE! He's just using these poor girls for their own gain. FUCK FUCK FUCK!

Sakura's CD, though. She did her best to save Sayaka. She fucking redeemed herself and now she's gone, too? What the hell, maaaan!?!?!
----------------------------------------
"NNAAAA~ NNAAAA~ NNAAAA~ NNAAAA~"
NANACHI (MADE IN ABYSS), 2017
----------------------------------------
 
Nov 17, 2017 11:26 AM

Offline
Joined: Jun 2013
Posts: 1233
Kyouko's sacrifice made me more emotional now than when I first watched the series. And now there are only two. What is Homura to do now?

Someone probably already pointed this out, but I want to nitpick Kyuubey's infodump, so what the heck. Energy is never lost! Let's say I burn a cup of gasoline. Once it's all burned, the sum of all energy is the same in the original cup of gasoline and in the products of the reaction - soot, CO2, water vapor, heat, radiation. The difference is that the products of the reaction contain less energy in a way that can be used to do work - which is something that Kyuubey did mention, at least. More on the heat death of the universe: Wikipedia or this video from Kurzgesagt

[insert rick and morty pasta here]


Also, Kyouko and Sayaka would make a fine couple.

Whoops, my hands moved on their own. Oh well, I'll leave it in. I can't help being a romantic.
Modified by LeeTailor, Nov 17, 2017 12:07 PM
 
Nov 21, 2017 10:37 AM

Offline
Joined: Jul 2016
Posts: 511
Kyoko ded ;_;

I like the design of the witch Sayaka has become, it has a knight's helmet (representing her heroicity), an orchestra (representing her liking for classical music) and a ribbon (representing femeninity and a girl's youth), it's pretty neat and one of the reason I like this show so much, everything is so well designed!
Around the gif~
"It's a big mistake to think you're the only one who can turn into a car"
- Shiori Takatsuki
 
Nov 21, 2017 12:05 PM

Offline
Joined: Aug 2015
Posts: 73
HitSquare said:


I like the design of the witch Sayaka has become, it has a knight's helmet (representing her heroicity), an orchestra (representing her liking for classical music) and a ribbon (representing femeninity and a girl's youth), it's pretty neat and one of the reason I like this show so much, everything is so well designed!


You forgot she has a mermaid tail, simbolizing the "little mermaid", not the dysney story, where the mermaid trade her soul to become human but in the end the guy Choosed the other girl thinking she was the one who saved him. I think in the end the mermaid kills herself but I m not sure about it. If you want you can try to look it up.

I m not sure but the orchestra is more about kyousuke instead of her loving classical music while the sword and cape (?) like you said it´s about her hero of justice mentality
 
Dec 17, 2017 1:09 PM

Offline
Joined: May 2013
Posts: 4300
Daaaaammnnnnnnn. Look at this sexy end card:



See, why can't they look like this the whole time? Lol, I think I'd take the anime more seriously ;P it just looks too cutesy that sometimes the emotions of the episode don't really carry out their full potential for me :3

I had a feeling Sakura was gonna die this ep, esp when I heard what her plans were to bring back Sayaka. Using Madoka's voice? Really?

But eh. At least Sakura and Sayaka will be together.

Kyubei is such an ass, lmao. I like how at the end, when he spoke to Homura, he said it was impossible but when Sakura asked him about it, he led her on and said I don't know if it's possible or not, but it wouldn't faze me if you could really save her. It just hasn't happened yet.-- choice of words to sway someone's opinion. Smh. Evil Kyubei -.- Meeting Sayaka changed Sakura. Her old self in the beginning would've been more cautious and logical, but she was carried by her emotions and really wanted to try saving Sayaka which led to her downfall. But das okay. Everyone dies eventually, so her effort was good :')
 
Jan 21, 2018 2:43 PM
Offline
Joined: Nov 2017
Posts: 1106
Crazy. Just crazy. What a twist

Keep the binge-a-train a-rollin.
 
Oct 17, 2018 2:31 AM

Offline
Joined: Aug 2017
Posts: 4413
We know Kyubey's intentions. He/She can't feel emotion. Also, that alien is doing all this to give the universe some energy that comes when magical girls turn into witches.

I'm sad that the attempt to save Sayaka didn't work. Poor Sayaka. RIP Kyouko and Sayaka.

5/5
Life has no meaning.
 
Oct 28, 2018 10:05 PM
Offline
Joined: Sep 2018
Posts: 8
HOW SHALL I GO ON WITHOUT KYOUKO? HOW!?
 
Nov 6, 2018 7:50 AM
Offline
Joined: Aug 2018
Posts: 38
Madoka is brave. This is the 2nd time I see Madoka show her bravery. She walked forward and get caught by Octavia before Kyoko attempts to set the Illusion barrier for the 3rd time. If Madoka does not walk forward and get caught by Octavia will attack Kyoko for the 3rd time. After the witch's last sword attack, the attack stops. Kyoko can use her suicide attack to destroy the witch. I hate Kyubey because he makes Madoka cries for the 2nd time in this episode.
Modified by 3ASV226, Jul 26, 2019 3:35 AM
 
Dec 11, 2018 6:36 PM
Offline
Joined: Apr 2017
Posts: 119
Who got the onions in my eyes...?
 
Feb 15, 2019 10:10 AM

Offline
Joined: Apr 2016
Posts: 12174
I guess corny talk wasn't enough to bring Sayaka back hahaha... she's dead (?) Great episode.
 
Feb 23, 2019 3:25 PM
Offline
Joined: Jun 2017
Posts: 114
What a useless sacrifice, Kyouko should still be alive :(
Kyubei srsly needs to die
Modified by Zhexal, Feb 23, 2019 3:28 PM
 
Mar 4, 2019 11:58 AM

Offline
Joined: Sep 2014
Posts: 2229
I never truly understood why Homura let Kyouko sacrifice herself. Its like QB said, now she is the only magical girl in town and cant defeat Walpurgis anymore.

I guess she already figured in Kyouko would not fight after Sayakas witch version was killed.
"This emotion is mine alone.
It is for Madoka alone." - Homura
or how I would descripe Mahou Shoujo Madoka Magica.
 
May 6, 2019 11:34 PM

Offline
Joined: Dec 2014
Posts: 1539
well clearly this show isnt afraid of killing off characters and I can appreciate that... but also be really saddened by it. RIP Kyoko and Sayaka

Homura is really going to solo raid boss Waluigi next episode???
 
Jun 19, 2019 1:48 AM
Offline
Joined: Jan 2019
Posts: 195
I laughed so hard hearing what Kyuubey said to Madoka lmao
 
Oct 11, 2019 8:21 AM

Offline
Joined: Jul 2019
Posts: 48
Well, i am hopeless. This sucks!
 
Nov 8, 2019 8:46 PM

Offline
Joined: Feb 2017
Posts: 183
It really just feels like Homura is letting everyone march to destruction; despite knowing the tragedy at hand all she does is provide cryptic warnings that do nothing. Pushing this idea of non-involvement is stupid when only negatives come about it because now she's left without Tomoe, Sayaka, or Kyoko to face Walpurgisnacht alone which she certainly won't be able to handle alone and thus force Madoka to become a magical girl anyway.
𝘼 𝙨𝙤𝙪𝙣𝙙 𝙨𝙤𝙪𝙡 𝙙𝙬𝙚𝙡𝙡𝙨 𝙬𝙞𝙩𝙝𝙞𝙣 𝙖 𝙨𝙤𝙪𝙣𝙙 𝙢𝙞𝙣𝙙 𝙖𝙣𝙙 𝙖 𝙨𝙤𝙪𝙣𝙙 𝙗𝙤𝙙𝙮
 
Nov 18, 2019 11:58 PM

Offline
Joined: Aug 2018
Posts: 561
Good Episode......hmmmm
Demon Slayers ♤♡◇♧ 鬼滅の刃
 
Jan 9, 12:38 AM

Offline
Joined: Oct 2019
Posts: 61
Sh*t like this is why I watch anime, I started watching just thinking "meh, seems boring" to getting my expectations blown out of the water. You never know what gem of a story you might find in this awesome medium.
 
Jan 16, 4:04 PM

Offline
Joined: May 2011
Posts: 60
Kanetopher said:
Sh*t like this is why I watch anime, I started watching just thinking "meh, seems boring" to getting my expectations blown out of the water. You never know what gem of a story you might find in this awesome medium.


Sameee. After the first episode I wasn't convinced, but I felt like there was potential. Two episodes later my mind is utterly blown. I can't wait to see how this ends. I'm hoping for one. sliver. of hope, lol. My heart is bruised right now. Can't... take... it..
 
Feb 3, 9:42 PM

Offline
Joined: Jul 2016
Posts: 2455
Okay, this episode was fucking sad and the ED with that image of Kyouko comforting Sayaka almost got me, not gonna lie. Fool of me for getting attached to characters in a series written by Urobuchi. Seriously, this guy is heartless.

Regarding Kyouko and despite my initial annoyance towards her, I'm actually quite surprised about how much I ended up liking her character. What's more, she changed my impressions of her in such radical way I can't believe I'm feeling this bad for her departure. In the end, she might become one of my favorite characters alongside Homura.

Now on a side note, I absolutely didn't see coming that reasons for Kyuubey's actions. The whole "Magical Girls used as fuel for the universe - Entropy Ordeal" thing sounds a bit pretentious yet somehow convincing within this series' universe. Personally, I find it more interesting and "innovative" than anything else so I will say that I liked this explanation. And of course, not to mention that said explanation will make Kyuubey remain as this amoral being that acts for the greater good I like so much.

P.S.: Wow, kinda surprised to see so many people not getting the meaning of Kyouko's sacrifice...

 
Top
Pages (9) « First ... « 7 8 [9]