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Mar 4, 2011 3:32 PM

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I'll just leave this here...

 
Mar 4, 2011 3:34 PM

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So Kyoko is gone too? Now this is getting insane.

Kyubei knew it was impossible but he let her die to force Madoka to become Mahou Shoujo.. how devious.
 
Mar 4, 2011 3:36 PM

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Kyubey, my dear friend, I love you again. He's a purely logical being that doesn't fully grasp the concept of human emotions, as stated. I love it, I'm sorry for doubting you. I blame these moron girls for signing up for something without truly understanding the consequences. That being said, there is nothing wrong with what Kyubey is doing. Don't humans kill other animals for food in order to survive? That is the same thing Kyubey is doing, and he's doing it to help the whole universe. Kyubey is cruel? HA tell that to the humans who hunt animals for sport, or kill farm animals for food and/or income. Kyubey, you are a god and I luvs you hard o.o.


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Kyouko is just amazing.


I fell in love with her after a rocky start, and they do me like this. I almost cried ;O
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If you had multiple anime on the screen at once it'd all be jumbled up. Kaneki Ken might become a ninja who guides souls to the afterlife Battlefront where they find peace and reincarnate to AIs.
 
Mar 4, 2011 3:39 PM

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My lord. So depressing yet so epic....
 
Mar 4, 2011 4:11 PM

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Wow, so Kyuubey's an alien with zero emotions and the witches are pretty much power plants that he harvests? Interesting.

I'm wonder if Madoka might be the Walpurgis Night (the most power witch or whatever) that everyone's talking about.
 
Mar 4, 2011 4:14 PM

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Ep 9 and we are now out of awesome characters to kill off, now what?
 
Mar 4, 2011 4:22 PM

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Ep 9 and we are now out of awesome characters to kill off, now what?


Have a fan service episode where all the characters even the ones that died off appear as is in bathing suits?
 
Mar 4, 2011 4:31 PM

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Woohoo!

Incubator is fucking epic!

This is the first time he has actually tricked someone. Because this time he actually knew that Kyouko can't do anything and he lied to her saying that there might be a way that he himself doesn't know about.

Madoka is just too naive, and so are the other witches... which is why Akemi is my favourite Mahou Shoujo =D

And I was like O.o? when Walpurgis was revealed to be a powerful witch. Because I honestly thought it was some form of ritual for witches and magic.

I knew Sayaka was a goner... so I thought Kyouko was a little stupid to go after her. Sayaka is dead (YAY!) But sadly she took Kyouko with her. I didn't mind Kyouko... it was Sayaka who annoyed the crap out of me. We all know eventually Madoka will become a Mahou Shoujo... And I say Incubator will be surprised because I hope Madoka's "special" power can put an end it.

Incubator is so not Evil... I don't see how so many people just can't help but hate him. I mean, he's logical in his decision, he's giving them one wish that can change their life forever... which is pretty good in my honest opinion. It's only the fault of the humans themselves who don't think it through and just get amazed by such a thing. OBVIOUSLY A MIRACLE IS GONNA HAVE AN EQUIVALENT PRICE! HOW CAN YOU BE SO IGNORANT!? DO YOU NOT HAVE A BRAIN!? Is what i want to say to Madoka, wanted to say to Sayaka, didn't need to say it to Homura, and now don't need to say it to Kyouko.

See even Kyouko is a smart one... but that is the problem here... she knows the bad in the world, which makes it a little easy for her to accept things like this and not overreact with some kind of depression like Sayaka did or like Madoka near enough did. Madoka and Sayaka just had too perfect of lives, making this very hard on them. But honestly though... the reaction that Sayaka had is a little TOO extreme, she just couldn't seem to accept the truth, so I say it serves her right. Homura even tried to protect their close to perfect lives, but did anyone take her help? NO! They threw it right back at her face! So, it fucking serves them right, they affected Homura so bad that she even cracked! She practically begged Madoka not to become a Mahou Shoujo!

UGH!!!

Best characters in the show:
Incubator
Akemi Homura
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Mar 4, 2011 4:43 PM

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Aversa said:
This Anime season is not as good as the previous seasons but this Anime is a absolute masterpiece.


Totally. I didn't see this on the Winter 2011 chart, but I doubt I would have watched it if I did seeing as though the rest of the shows didn't interest me and the cover for this sure as hell doesn't. Glad I gave it a chance.

Too hyped for next week. I'll miss Sayaka most of all, my favorite character and the most badass witch so far.
 
Mar 4, 2011 5:14 PM
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Well, +10 for KB for being badass.

However, gg's translation of his entropy theory is flawed. The energy is not lost, just turned into a very non-useful state. So far with human technology and physics, it is not possible to use that energy.

Anyway, finally it is starting to get interesting. Although I still hate all the characters except KB and Homura.
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The endless debate between fans and haters. At one point, after spending a lot of time on MAL, you just realize it's totally pointless.
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Mar 4, 2011 5:46 PM

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I just loved Kyuubey this episode , so evil , so mischievous ..
 
Mar 4, 2011 6:11 PM

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I'm wonder if Madoka might be the Walpurgis Night (the most power witch or whatever) that everyone's talking about.


I don't think so. I would guess the short scene before the OP in episode one was the Walpurgis night. A big bad witch will come, Homura will be in trouble, and Kyuubey will once again try to make Madoka become a Puella Magi.
 
Mar 4, 2011 6:37 PM

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Damn, this reminded me of several last episodes of Eva rolled into one package.
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Mar 4, 2011 6:44 PM

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However, gg's translation of his entropy theory is flawed. The energy is not lost, just turned into a very non-useful state. So far with human technology and physics, it is not possible to use that energy.


It is lost in the sense that the excess energy leaves the system (of the fire burning the wood). The heat you feel from the fire is that "lost" energy.


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Woohoo!

Incubator is fucking epic!

This is the first time he has actually tricked someone. Because this time he actually knew that Kyouko can't do anything and he lied to her saying that there might be a way that he himself doesn't know about.


QB doesn't lie. Lying is a conscious action that only a creature capable of morals could perform. QB is amoral, therefore making him incapable of lying. Rather, what he does is twist the truth or just not tell the whole truth (which isn't lying, technically).

If QB outright lied to Kyoko, then he would've told her that she could do it. He didn't; he told her the truth--because technically it is the truth--that there was no precedent of a witch reverting back. It was Kyoko and the audience who misunderstood that as meaning that there was a possibility. In other words, when an amoral being who can only tell the truth talks to you, take his/her words at face value.

But us being human, I'm sure you realize that it is innate for us to look for the meaning and context behind words. That's where the misunderstanding takes place.

QB isn't a liar but he is a manipulator. The truth is just as capable of manipulating a person as a lie. And that's the ironic part; I say QB is a manipulator, but he says that his culture doesn't know or understand the concept of tricking people, which we can only take as the truth. I know that us it seems like he manipulates everyone, but if you look more closely, all he does is tell the truth and be blunt. Then it's the human characters that react to what he says.
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Mar 4, 2011 7:07 PM
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Wow, so Kyuubey's an alien with zero emotions

That explains the "dull surprise" look on his face.
 
Mar 4, 2011 7:28 PM

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Madcat_Zam said:

Have a fan service episode where all the characters even the ones that died off appear as is in bathing suits?

while that would undermine everything about the epicness of this anime, and has no chance of happening, i might not mind that, when i consider i already have to put up with having the 3 bad characters left, why do characters like madoka and homura get to outlive awesome ones like Sakura and Mami :(
 
Mar 4, 2011 7:51 PM

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ShadowGilgamesh said:
Madcat_Zam said:

Have a fan service episode where all the characters even the ones that died off appear as is in bathing suits?

while that would undermine everything about the epicness of this anime, and has no chance of happening, i might not mind that, when i consider i already have to put up with having the 3 bad characters left, why do characters like madoka and homura get to outlive awesome ones like Sakura and Mami :(

Unfortunately, it's precisely because of their awesomeness. They lived fast, and died accordingly.

Also, this is baffling me.

When Kyoko tries to "heat up" Sayaka's body, nothing happens.



But earlier, when Homura shows her Soul Gem to Madoka, her body actually glows.




Two theories: either Homura has some sort of new special power, or (bleh option) Sayaka's body was simply still warm.
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"Tonight, I sit in the eye of the storm. As fire boils around me, I press forward, winds and lightning lashing my wings. I am no match for what I face. Yet I will not back down, and though fear may place it's stranglehold on my heart, courage will see me through. With tears in my eyes, I hit full throttle. My engines become an inferno, and my weapons light up, awaiting my command.

If I die tonight, I will do so fighting for everything I believe in."


 
Mar 4, 2011 8:16 PM
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Madoka and Homura are epic characters, Madoka has consistently been willing to throw away her life for her friends and has been the most sane character and Homura is acting the role of the True Heroic anti-Hero who has realised she cannot save everything and decided to save the one thing she loves.
 
Mar 4, 2011 8:40 PM

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Not Kyoko too! ;__________________;
 
Mar 4, 2011 9:36 PM

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RIP Kyoko.
I didn't like her much when she first appeared, but she really turned out to be a great character. I'll miss her. T-T
 
Mar 4, 2011 9:40 PM

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I'll just leave this here...
Kirby? WTF is that? Kirby is way better than QB.

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Mar 4, 2011 9:43 PM

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I hope Madoka turns into a Witch and destroy the world, that would be an epic ed.
 
Mar 4, 2011 10:21 PM

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Seeker said:
wakka9ca said:
However, gg's translation of his entropy theory is flawed. The energy is not lost, just turned into a very non-useful state. So far with human technology and physics, it is not possible to use that energy.


It is lost in the sense that the excess energy leaves the system (of the fire burning the wood). The heat you feel from the fire is that "lost" energy.
Entropy is really just the idea that "orderly" (less entropy) energy is always being turned into "chaotic" (more entropy) energy. It has nothing to do with energy leaving an open system. When Kyubey is saying that energy is being "lost" in the log, he means that the thermodynamically useful energy is becoming useless.

I have to wonder what Kyubey's doing with all the despair he "eats". If hope is a high level of energy, then despair must be a sort of entropy pollution. Unless Kyubey is actually breaking the second law of thermodynamics and not just bending it. He only said that they searched for an energy source outside the laws of thermodynamics, not that they found it so I suspect this must be another case of Kyuubey manipulating the truth. Trying to figure out how the whole emotions = energy relationship works is giving me a bit headache. This seems like a bit too much suspension of disbelief even for a sci-fi mahou shoujo.

Still, I liked this developement: it added considerably more to the Madoka universe and better sci-fi dressed up as supernatural than supernatural dressed up as sci-fi *cough*Evangelion*cough*. I'm looking forward to the spin-off manga.

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Kyouko is just amazing.
I fell in love with her after a rocky start, and they do me like this. I almost cried ;O
I see what you did there.
 
Mar 4, 2011 11:13 PM

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Kyouko is just amazing.
I fell in love with her after a rocky start, and they do me like this. I almost cried ;O
I see what you did there.


i can't believe you people, I am crushed.
 
Mar 5, 2011 1:16 AM

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I don't get it. Why all the hate? Kyubey's explaniation of why he uses mahou shoujo's makes complete sense. What is the life of a single personin 7 billion if its for the benefit for the prolonged exiseince of the universe? Useful energy won't last forever and here he is giving a method in which to fix this issue, and yet still all the hate? U all mad?
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Mar 5, 2011 1:43 AM

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^ Yes, because that intention killed Kyoko. Kyuube's still the biggest asshole in the universe.
 
Mar 5, 2011 2:59 AM

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heh out of all the currently airing anime's I'm watching, this show's story is actually progressing instead of having random eps of fan service. Man this anime's OP is misleading does Mami even comeback?
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Mar 5, 2011 4:02 AM

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Is there a meaning to the Kyoko's line when she is falling and asks God for a last happy dream ?
Right after she said it, the whole world gets upside down, Homura shows up, and Kyosuke appears too. There might be no connections however, we are used to see Homura coming at the best moment within a fight, but still, when I saw this I felt this had an important meaning.
I even considered Homura could come from a Kyoko's dream, or that this wish could come true during Walpurgis night, leading to Madoka waking up in her bed as in ep. 1 - none of that makes real sense anyway.
 
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Last episode made me think Kyubey is the evil character, but now I'm questioning that.
Wahhhh 0.O this anime is making my head hurt with so many twists and turns!
 
Mar 5, 2011 5:13 AM

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The real villain is obviously Madoka's little brother.
 
Mar 5, 2011 5:16 AM

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that was an awesome! ;D

in this episode, you will die horribly... *laughs just as shion*
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Mar 5, 2011 5:37 AM

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Kyubeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeey!! DIEEEE!!! Kyoko! Nooooo! :c

I can sense now that Madoka is reserved to be a Puella Magic with Homura at her side, woooot~ xD This anime specially this episode is full of surprises. Not one episode missed to make my mouth left hanging in every turn of events. Oh, if yo guys are watching GG's translation NORTON!! LOL xD And MAMESHIBA! xD








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Mar 5, 2011 6:00 AM

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Ahahahaahahahahahaaaaaaa! QB would really make the best ruthless businessman!


LOL@ him explaning that he has no emotion. I think everybody already knew that XD

also, Kyouko's death. I saw it coming, and yet it was unexpected that she would sacrifice herself for Sayaka without a good really good reason. Besides, Kyouko's plan to save Sayaka's soul gem was plain stupid. And so was taking Madoka along. Jeez. I wasn't expecting children's logic to be used in this anime. (or Kyouko was just very desperate/wished to die.) And still, LOL @ QB being so manipulative. I really love him.

To conclude: Great episode. Still love QB the Universe saver XD

Actually, this series makes me want it to have a bad end to it, cause it would be more believable. (and mostly I'm rooting for a good end (except with Mirai Nikki, but it came anyway XD))

Oh, darkness!


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The real villain is obviously Madoka's little brother.


I know this ain't Youtube, but still: you've got a "thumbs up" from me. XD
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Why should I die?
I just don't get you
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Kyoko-chan ;_;

 
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So, our beloved QB is a completely amoral and emotionless existence from outer space to whom human standards and silly principles like good and evil do not apply.
Still, that does not prevent me from wanting to strangle the little conniving machiavellist and wipe that smirk off its face!
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Kyouko-chaaaaaaaaan, NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! ;O;

I'll miss you. ;w;
 
Mar 5, 2011 7:23 AM

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The real villian is obviously Madoka's little brother.

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BrickBreak said:
When Kyoko used her soul gem to "heat up" Sayaka's body, nothing happened. But earlier in the episode, when Homura shows her Soul Gem, Sayaka's body actually glows!
I think it's the glow of Homura's soulgem getting brighter.
If Sayaka's body itself would glow, I think it would be blue.
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so how come some are disappointed for finding out Kyubey is a sentient lifeform not from Earth.

I don't mind that QB is an alien, I just didn't expect entropy in my Faust-anime lol.
And like others, I would've liked QB to stay mysterious a bit longer.
It makes sense though, Faust knew he was dealing with the devil before contracting too.
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I'm quite interested what would happen if Madoka (or someone else) made a contract and said "I wish the universe's energy stopped falling"

I think that would be a wish he can't fullfill (at least not instantly), but he'll probably say she can make that happen as a magical girl.
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or at least "I wish Kyubey's society started understanding and respecting human emotions". Maybe that would be the ultimate solution?

To create a "Do we sacrifice some girls for the sake of the universe' debate on his planet?
I'm pretty certain about the outcome of that.
Or Madoka would have loads of sobbing QB's around her, begging her to safe the universe LOL.
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metamorphius said:
So, our beloved QB is a completely amoral and emotionless existence from outer space to whom human standards and silly principles like good and evil do not apply.
Still, that does not prevent me from wanting to strangle the little conniving machiavellist and wipe that smirk off its face!

That's exactly how I feel...
 
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"In essence, Kyubey (and his species) are those aliens from Calvin and Hobbes. Just their job. Instead of harvesting oil, lumber, water, diamonds, or whatnot, they harvest young, nubile girls. It’s their desired resource (and a desired resource amongst men)… and, again, it’s their job. Think about if Kyubey were tasked to cut down young saplings or slaughter young cattle for veal or destroy wetlands for oil… would you think of him the same way? In essence, we decide the same things Kyubey does every single fucking day, and we all make the same decisions that Kyubey makes. We pick money and convenience and all those modern niceties over a lesser species. Every. Fucking. Single. Day."

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Kyubey just planned all this form the start! Planning how he wants all this energy from Madoka when she matures into a Witch because of her godly powers. kyubey also just thinks that if he doesnt tell the girls that they get their souls would extracted out or their chances of becoming a witch, people will want to become masou shoujou because of that one wish(although they have to fight for.the universe??)... well DAMN he got that *&%&^% right!! And because he cant understand why they get all upset from their souls changing positions or why they get upset when they die, although the human race has "6 Billion 9 hundred million." so he decides not to tell any of those girls anything because they "didnt ask" and they DID ' agree to the contract' Pppft, bull@^$ and how he cant understand the term " you have been tricking us"? damn Kyubey! and this "Whenever you feel like dying for the sake of the universe...."
SUreeee just cuasally show up ' i wanna die for the universe'~~ NOT
Anyways he also knew that Sayka coming back to herself is impossible/not likely even though he said to Kyoko that he "doesnt know", this then LEADS to Homura left by HERSELF to face Walpurgis night and fight the very strong witch. BUT he knows that MAdako wouldnt want to just stand and do nothing while her friend Homura is fighting something she cant win while tiring to protect the city, so the then will propose again " Make the contract with me, become a Masou Shojou! and I will make one wish come true" and then most likely that Madoka will as it will save Homura and save the City. but i wonder what her wish will be??
Well,thats what think will happen, and since this is a .. what like 13 episodes ,it will be a MAJOR cliffhanger.
Also, doesnt anyone think that Walpurgis night relates back to episode one, from the beginning of the anime/introduction.??
 
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.... i'm speechless... i really didn't expect kyouko to really sacrifice herself to save her, but in the end it's fruitless. I'll miss kyouko from now on. TT_TT
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but why only breaking her soul gem then it is able to "destroy" witch [sayaka]?
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anyway, great episode, and as always i can't wait for the next one.
Kyouko willl forever be missed. Her expression when she's about to "kill" herself is beautiful TT_TT
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I'll miss Kyoko.
 
Mar 6, 2011 12:20 AM

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Cause you're evil! xD








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Mar 6, 2011 12:46 AM

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Is anything happy going to happen before the end? Seems like all routes are bad ends.
 
Mar 6, 2011 12:55 AM

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Oh I forgot to add this, 4 ways to kill Kyubey


and epic torture by Homura, Kyoko and Mami

and with a special guest








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I'm effectively speechless.
Don't forget.
Always, somewhere,
someone is fighting for you.
As long as you remember her,
you are not alone.
 
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Now imagine if it was actually QB who is doing the time loop precisely because he failed to turn Madoka into a magical girl.

Of course, that chance is only about 1%.
 
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Curse you Kyuubei. He may not be the sadist who loves seeing people die/ suffer emotionally for his own pleasure, but this guy certainly lacks sympathy towards human life. All these Mahou Shoujo are merely being raised to become witches then disposed of for their energy, like pigs to the slaughter. And for what, so the Universe won't run out on it's energy supply?

He's like some kind of businessman or politician who has no concern for the minority, as long as maximum benefit is achieved for the greater good.
 
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