Mahou Shoujo Madoka★Magica Episode 6 Discussion
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I'm sure many have noted already that Mami is likely not dead, because we don't know what happened to her soul gem after she "dies". Homura may have retrieved it amid all her teleporting.
If the manga is to be believed, it shows Mamis decapitated body after Charlotte killed her, and her soul gem was on her hat. Plus, her clothes went back to her school uniform right when she was killed, thus the power of the jewel was gone. I'm pretty confident Mami is still dead.
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So there could be a possibility that Mami could be revived (if her body was somehow found). Homura does have her Soul Gem.
To clarify, it was Charlottes grief seed that Homura picked up at the end of Ep. 3, not Mamis soul gem. We've never seen Mamis soul gem since her death
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Omniknight said:The "orange hue" may be from the fact that Charlotte had consumed Mamis soul gem, so Charlotte also had the power of Mami in her. Though this does bring up the question that if Charlotte had consumed Mamis soul gem, and Homura took the grief seed with that power in it, would that be enough to revive Mami?
Is it a currently established fact? I know the "gem" had the shape of witch's seed, but for a few seconds while she was holding it, it looked very similar to Mami's gem, with the orange hue to boot.
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RyanSaotome said:Orange Hue may also been reflection from the sun setting, it was going down. However to clear it up even more Mami's soul gem (The Shiny jewels on the girls outfits seem to be their soul gems when fighting so the orange flower thing is Mami's) was on her head. Not her hat. So it got chewed up good. Even if it didn't Homura made the witch explode. No way the jewel would have made it after that. Kyuubey said that the only way to die is if your soul gem gets broken. So I don't think that is possible to revive her even if the seed absorbed her power.
The "orange hue" may be from the fact that Charlotte had consumed Mamis soul gem, so Charlotte also had the power of Mami in her. Though this does bring up the question that if Charlotte had consumed Mamis soul gem, and Homura took the grief seed with that power in it, would that be enough to revive Mami?
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Hey Diddle Diddle
The nursery rhyme on Madoka's computer. I have no idea what it means though >_>
I wanted Sayaka to stay dead, but the truth behind the soul gem made up for it. And QB finally shows his sadistic, evil side behind his :3 face.
I was just about to post that. I really want to know whether it has any significance.
Edit: Here's the screeny of it with the dialogue of when the reference was displayed:
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For those wondering whose grief seed Sayaka used to purify her Soul Gem, it's likely to be Elly's. There's a bunch of squares and boxes which might allude to her TV screen's and her being the Witch of the Container. Also damn SHAFT for not showing Sayaka picking it up.
This episode just had a lot more revelations and it's likely a lot of theories, mainly evil Kyubey and Time Traveller Homura are going to get stronger. More about my thoughts on the episode here.
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Ah, the series that keeps on giving. As evil and demented as Kyubey is, he's one of my favorites. only for the reason of wanting to see his horrible death later on lol. As soon as Madoka's mom openned her mouth, I knew Madoka would kill Sayaka, by doing EXACTLY what she did. Would have had more effect if it was perminant, but still awesome. Horray for twisted series :).
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I was thinking this, but I don't see how its possible. If she was Madoka, how would she have gotten back to the past, because it seems her goal is to stop Madoka from becoming a magical girl, and if Madoka became a magical girl in the past, then her wish was used up. So how would Madoka be able to use a wish to become herself in the past?
Yeah it has flaws, so I'm not completely sold to the Homura = Madoka theory. Also it would be too obvious. It's just that Madoka fits the Faust pt.1 and Homura the Faust pt.2
I honestly see zero relevance to FSN other than cliche character archetypes. Homura as Archer is only barely true if this so called time travel theory is even true. Madoka and Shirou might share similar naive and idealistic views, but so do lots of other protagonists in other shows.
I agree, the comparison between Madoka's characters with Fate's is farfetched.
My main point was the Shirou = Archer thing. There have been enough Fate references in this show to make people wonder if the same scenario might be true for Homura and Madoka. And remember Urobuchi wrote Fate/Zero (another reason for it being too obvious btw).
Orange Hue may also been reflection from the sun setting, it was going down. However to clear it up even more Mami's soul gem (The Shiny jewels on the girls outfits seem to be their soul gems when fighting so the orange flower thing is Mami's) was on her head. Not her hat. So it got chewed up good. Even if it didn't Homura made the witch explode. No way the jewel would have made it after that. Kyuubey said that the only way to die is if your soul gem gets broken. So I don't think that is possible to revive her even if the seed absorbed her power.
Add to that Homura's words that a MG dying in a witches realm is lost forever, so I highly doubt we'll see her again as a MG. Maybe as a witch?
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The person that hated this ep and disliked it are trolls :P it was completely amazing, im still in awe
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I kind of figured Kyubey was an evil asshole with how he was acting the last couple episodes.
Sayaka actually dying, though? I dunno about that. We had a major character die only three episodes ago and things are already pretty dark. I hope she sticks around until the very end.
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Really interesting episode as it sets a definite plot arc in the series, the Walpurgis Night.
I find it interesting that Homura says that Kyouko is a "good" mahou shoujo. Perhaps she has seen something in the future that Kyouko has done.
I would just like to point something out regarding the "Homura is from the future idea". How do we know that the dream that Madoka had in episode one was really a dream? I believe Madoka was on the verge of making a wish and becoming a Mahou Shoujo and then she wakes up.
Perhaps Madoka used her wish to send everyone back in time. Although, that would not explain why Madoka remembers so little while Homura seems to know more.
I first thought that the dream scene was a premonition to the final episode, but maybe it really was the past. One would still have to work out why Homura seems to have her memory intact though.
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I read all the posts and didn't see it, but Sayaka won't die until she finds out that her wish was wasted on a guy that doesn't want to see her anymore. Kyoko was correct in that he liked her when nobody else cared but now that he's the big shot again then she'll be chopped liver.
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Well we really have a big clue as to what the witches probably are, they are probably the magical girls who fail to catch enough grief seed and have thier soul fully corrupted by the magic they use. (you can tell this because soul gems and grief seeds look almost the same) considering how potent Madoka would be as magical girl/ Witch it makes sense that someone from the future would want to stop her genesis.
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Good episode since it finally explained Kyuubey is not evil, he's just alien. He does not have human emotions, nor does he understand human emotions. Hence the lack of empathy up until this point.
The contract now has more weight, about how much the contract actual costs and what fine prints are there. Clearly most of the mahou shoujo's don't know what they got themselves into. The underlying tone is more and more like FMA now, except the soul weights infinitely more and what wish can be worth the same as a human soul exchanged?
One mystery is how much Mami knew or didn't know.
Predicting Sayaka to be her unreasonable self and retaining hostility towards Homura (or Homura prevents Madoka/Kyouko from telling Sayaka what happened), Homura is really shaping up as the exact opposite of what she preaches, she meddles too much.
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That episode preview with Mami's voice (?) makes me think of the "Mami wished to not die and is thus near immortal" theory.
And Madoka pisses me off. Yay for Sakura and Homura though.
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