Mahou Shoujo Madoka★Magica Episode 5 Discussion
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Yumekichi11 said:Well, thinking about the picture, idk it can be like many people say, just random shaft art thrown at the public, but the dam eyes and the representation of all the girls besides madoka, seem to be very fishy lol... Like if she is the only normal girl in that picture
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About Sayaka, I think there was a great focus on her in this episode to flesh her out more. My impression of her ring and her soul gem made it tie to Mami. They were exactly the same. Mami's flashback memory made her look better artistically in regards to her face. The depiction of Sayaka in the sun's rays looked like a good show of her happiness, as happy as the feeling of heat and warmth of the sun. I think it was a nice key to show a little how Kamijo's parents looked like and the congratulations, yes it was reminding me a little of Eva. Apparently Sayaka has a symbol on her fingernail, which looks at first like a devil's nail from his hand, a second look at it makes it look like a crescent moon and the final look of it definitely looks now like a C. That makes me think of “Chevalier” and definitely Sayaka is the female knight that protects her prince charming Kamijo. Something I am sure she wanted all along.
It was interesting to see one room of Sayaka's place. It looks to me like it has lots of mirror and Kyuubei was weird for doing those weird movements with his tail and ears. Probably wanted to relax itself. Looks like Sayaka's building is a nice apartment complex. Something interesting people might have missed, is that for a split second Sayaka does have a sad face and then puts up a smile. Make me think she is hiding her sadness with a fake happy face. From the point of the transformation, I think it looks like silky threads Just wondering where they stem from? It looked more like some kind of mummification on Sayaka. I think it's pretty common in other shows like that so I don't think it means anything but Mami was not like that at all so variations are nice in this field.
Guess each Mahou Shojou has imbedded into her body their own symbol that is also on their fingernail like I pointed out. That is not good, it means it's completely part of their body now. Sayaka's attacks where nice with like people mention Unlimited Blade Works but unfortunately it was less impressive than Mami's and I am sure many might agree with this. About Sayaka's fight with Kyoko, IMO I think it was pure luck to have gotten her sword tip to tip with Kyoko's spear. There is no way it was done with skill.
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About Kyoko, I was really trolled that her Soul Gem was exactly the same as Mami's and Sayaka for that matter. I did like Kyoko's weapon and her sudden appearance with a taiyaki in her other hand. It looks like it's confirmed, Kyoko like Sayaka has a embedded symbol on her body, except Kyoko's looks like a red eye in glass and it's way cooler. Her weapon being able to separate into chains connecting it was cool. Kyoko literally blasted away Sayaka with lots of force if it broke a pipe in the wall made of steel. I got to say I am pretty satisfied with Kyoko's powers and strength.
About Kyuubei, there is another part that is interesting about him and that is his mind fucking with Madoka. It was shown really well with a start of his eyes going into Madoka and playing around her brain with how she wants to look like when being a magical girl. I think this a breakthrough in showing how Kyuubei exactly can mind screw you into making a contract with him.
About familiar's world, although short it showed crayons falling so I am thinking it is a familiar that is not mature at all strangely I find myself disgusted if those bloody hands on the walls are that of kids. It is easy for kids to get lost in alleys and for his appearance to be something kids would like suggests this familiar may have instructions only to kidnap kids. I still thinks its appearance is rather pitiful.
About miscellaneous things, for one I am not sure of this but is there any meaning to the perfectly aligned cars? I find it kind of strange to put them there. Kind of find it weird that Kyoko put a barrier like that but that very barrier has inside of it Kyoko's symbol that she has embedded in her body.
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What I expected which was to say it was a good episode. The little skirmish against Kyoko seemed a bit dull with a few reused scenes but it's hard to blame SHAFT after all the visuals they've given us over the past few episodes.
More about the episode here. Long post and some speculation from me at the end.
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Well, I'm glad that my predictions of Sayaka getting dumped and killed didn't come true this ep. Yet I fear that they gave her a moment to shine, and her downfall will start next ep. Homura hinted at that as well.
I think it becomes ever more clear Homura made a wish to protect Madoka in the future.
. In earlier eps it's been hinted they have a history together, but Madoka has forgotten. In this ep Madoka asks if she (Homura) has even given up on people in the past, and Homura answered that she did.
. wishes are connected to MG abilities, and Homura can manipulate time.
. QB is unsure about Homura's contract.
Madoka was again being coerced into making a contract with QB and would have done so if Homura hadn't intervened. I think this echoes the scene in ep 1, where Homura is about to get crushed. I think Madoka made a contract with QB at that time to protect Homura.
Homura later on made a contract, wishing to go back in time in order to protect Madoka/preventing her from becoming a MG.
. limitations of wishes.
QB avoids to answer Sayaka's question: "So you can really fulfill any wish?"
He just tells her not to worry, cause her wish is fine.
Implying some wishes aren't fine?
. What the mechanism to make every MG fight solely for themselves?
I mean: their lives are at stake, so working together seems like a good plan. Mami was willing to share with Homura. So what do they gain from fighting other MG's?
Is there a special something for the one girl who beats everyone?
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SteelMaverick said:Quite a interesting reading. I have to admit that apart from Sayaka's speed her recovery speed is also a nice find. So I guess where speed/recovery is upped power is down. So Kyoko's pounding is stronger but Sayaka's speed/recovery may overcome.
More about the episode here. Long post and some speculation from me at the end.
Also Homura's theory of time travel. I am not sure Kyuubei would allow that. If so then perhaps the reason of why at the end the last enemy is the strongest of all. That is to get rid of Homura. I think Kyuubei wants something from Madoka and it may be that it's her soul. Just like Faust.
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Madoka is actually starting to become my least favorite character. She doesn't seem to do much other than fretting over becoming a magical girl. And given that Madoka still hasn't become a magical girl, I'm also really concerned about the pacing. Has the 12 episode length been confirmed yet? Regardless, a single season seems like it would be too short and rushed, but a double season could easily be too long and drawn out. I really hope they manage to get it right, without having to pull another Bakemonogatari or something like that.
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I missed this while watching the ep, but it was posted on another forum:
QB has multiple (9/) tails 0.o
So I REALLY do not like this anime too much. I find it boring at some parts and cliche in others.
Hm, I find it interesting that the cliche reason for becoming a MG as voiced by Sayaka - protecting someone etc. - is considerred a fatal flaw both by Homura and Kyouko.
The fact you're still watching proves this series isn't all that predictable :D
And they may go for the 'every 3d ep a person dies' scenario.
I for one am not convinced at all Sayaka is going to survive next ep as well.
I am not sure of this but is there any meaning to the perfectly aligned cars? I find it kind of strange to put them there.
Yeah that was strange. It kinda reminded me of the start of a horse-race.
The race is on?
Ginga-Bishoujo said:Did you watch this ep?
She's not the kind of people to 'waste' her wish for someone which can be considered a weakness, kindness being something bad for a mahou shoujo.
She was about to make an incredibly stupid spur-of-the-moment wish.
I do agree that her unselfishness is probably basis for her huge potential, but it's interesting that Homura sees a wish like that as a sure way to get killed.
- According to Homura you can't revive the dead, so her and/or Sayaka's death is not likely to trigger Madoka's contract.
It's annoying that Nutbladder's and gg's versions differed in translating that, so I'm still not sure if it's really impossible. I guess we only know for sure if someone asks QB.
Also Homura's theory of time travel. I am not sure Kyuubei would allow that.
That's why I want them to come up with some concrete answers about the limitations of wishes.
My questions about Homura: Why is she so focused on Madoka? Why is she so obsessedwith keeping Madoka out of the MS-game? Why did it hit her emotionally when Madoka said she wouldn't forget her?
The only answer I can come up with is her doing a set-back in time, especially as it seems she was manipulating time this ep.
Im starting to think Homura is actually Madoka going back in time to stop herself from becoming a Mahou Shojo and critically fucking up her/everyone around her's life.
I've been thinking about that as well and I see it as a real possibility. Also because long-haired Madoka from the OP looks like Homura.
And maybe it's not the first time that has occured,kinda like Groundhog Day, which would explain Homura's power and knowledge...
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I don't know if anyone thought of it before but... in one ep they said something about magicial girls being created through good wishes, and witches through bad wishes (curses) or something like that (can't recall completly now).
So perhaps when your soul gem dims completly, not only you turn into a witch, but your wish also turns into a negative version of itself? This would work easily for wishes made for other people, like Sayaka's, but I don't know how it'd work for ones like "I wanna be a millionare", so this idea doesn't seem too likely, but...
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I wonder why nobody I have seen so far has commented about one very important thing. Why do Mahou Shoujo have to fight witches?
In the second episode Mami told the girls that grief seeds restore the magic power she used. However this brings up a problem. Once Kyuubei grants your wish why didn't any magical girl just lay back and just live out their life? After all if you don't use any magic there isn't a problem. They are under no obligation to hunt witches. And the big question. What happened when a soul gem dims completely?
I have a theory. Kyuubei grants your wish. And does it well. However in order to keep the wish you need to prevent your soul gem from dimming. Over time a soul gem dims. If it dims completely Kyuubei gets your soul and your wish gets undone.(That would explain the comments of "We are doing this for our wishes") After that maybe the magical girl turns into a witch and completes the cycle.
Yes, that's a very likely possibility.
The only thing I wonder is: wouldn't that be the best piece of information Homura could use to turn Madoka away from becoming a MG? If I were Homura, it's one of the 1st things I would tell herto scare her off.
Think about it, if Mami knows all the dangers of being a Mahou shoujo then why is she so insistant that Madoka becomes one.
To be fair to Mami: she didn't just paint a pretty picture, she told them their lives would be in danger when they'll make a contract. She also told them they had to be careful what they wished for. But maybe she was lonely and could use a MS friend?
As for Sayaka: she's very new to the MS thing and probably quite nervous and scared. I guess having Madoka go along gave her some moral support.
I don't think QB has control over Mami & Sayaka, but I agree that having Sayaka under contract is a great way to lure in Madoka at some point. He already came pretty close in ep 5.
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Kyubey is only necessary as a catalyst for people to become puella magi, so I don't think he warrants all these comments with people trying to see him as something special. You are far too suspicious if you're saying he is evil and plays something more in the anime. Notice why he doesn't get any spotlight in the anime? Because he's not the centre of the story or anything important other than what I mentioned. The focus of the story is on madoka and the other puella magi. Kyubey is just someone who allows them to express thoughts. Second its blatantly obvious that Madoka may or may not wish for world peace. She is justice in this story.
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Kyubey is only necessary as a catalyst for people to become puella magi, so I don't think he warrants all these comments with people trying to see him as something special. You are far too suspicious if you're saying he is evil and plays something more in the anime.
I'm not too sure about that. I tried to see him as neutral for a while too.
But note how far more informative he is towards Kyouko: spilling info on Sayaka, her wish and where-abouts. Yet he doesn't give Sayaka a single word of warning about Kyouko.
We also don't know how much info he kept from Mami.
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Homura manipulates not only time, but also space (look at the walls). Provided this isn't lazy animation, but I doubt it, because if it was lazy animation, it makes more sense to leave the same background instead of changing it.
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Like the previous episodes, this episode started slow but ended on an awesome high that makes me crave the next episode. It seems that Kyubey deliberately contacted Kyouko before turning Sayaka into a mahou shojo as a means of manipulating Madoka into forming a contract. I wonder if the rest of series is going to be Kyubey trying to lure Madoka into forming a contract for some ulterior motive?
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@Kuro-Tenshi: Methinks that has more to do with SHAFT's idiosyncrasies rather than lazy animation. They like playing around with the visuals.
I doubt it. Urobuchi would kill a kitten if Shinbo screws with the meaning of that scene just to be pretentious. For this project, Shaft seems to be restring themselves to play with the witches mazes; the real world seems to be deal with in a normal fashion. In fact, I doubt Shaft could pull off a good depiction of Urobuchi's script if they played too much with the visuals, since a lot of the foreshadowing is delivered through said visuals!!
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