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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- Reinhard gave Oberstein, quite possibly, the highest praise he's ever received. His role on top will probably be short lived though. Although the gravity of the situation is different from Westerland, the setup looks similar. Oberstein sets up the pieces and Reinhard has to come in and shoulder the responsibility from then on. |
 ...even a saint needs a soldier to do the dirty work. |
tainteddonut said: Reinhard gave Oberstein, quite possibly, the highest praise he's ever received. which is actually true, and that is the scary part about Oberstein |
bla bla bla The endless debate between fans and haters. At one point, after spending a lot of time on MAL, you just realize it's totally pointless.Niko-kun said: On MAL, everyone who has used the lame rating system becomes a critic and an intellectual by default, haven't you heard? |
  FUCKING LOL'D. Anyway there's this weird atmosphere building up, I can't help but feel that something big is going to happen, besides this strange feeling I have of Julian, Frederica, Schenkopp and Poplan facing danger in their trip to Neue Land, certainly Reinhard wouldn't like them to be executed (And much less without knowing it) because they're a big threat for the Empire, but then again, thats just the way that snake of Oberstein is. |
| Oberstein.... I know the guy's about his job rather than himself, but it's exactly that quality about him that will bite him in the end. Also, this episode has been giving me such uneasy feelings after Julian and company discussed travelling to Heinessen for the exchange. Although it appears they prepared well enough, I'm really afraid something terrible will just come their way. |
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| I think Bittenfelds "Oberstein is not doing things out of self-interest, I can concede that. But he's using exactly that as a weapon and that's why I don't like him" really hit the point. I would admire him, and I partly do, if he was just all about his job, but he's using the fact so arrogantly to justify everything without caring even a LITTLE about individuals.. |
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| I probably regret this post by now. |
| Things are turning into something unexpexted, since for the first time, Oberstein managed to get former FPA, comrades and even his Kaiser opposed to him; he broke the fragile unity of the imperial forces. But the question which he raised is worthy hours of debate. Here again, Bittenfeld's moments were amusing concerning Oberstein, but it hence hard to admire him as much as one can admire other admirals skills. Like in the middle part of the anime, every episode has its "if only kircheis was alive" moment. |
| Oberstein is great because he brings realpolitik thought into this series. He is very, very consequentialist and Machievellian, and for this he serves as the guy that really makes us think about things. Of course he is absolutely right: if our goal is X, the means to achieve it is Y. The reason why this disgusts us and raises moral alarms is because our goal isn't *really* X. In this case, X is peace. So, obviously peace at the cost of honor doesn't seem worth it to normal beings. It's interesting because Oberstein carries out the assumed goals perfectly, thus making us realize that the actual goals are far more nuanced. |
| “Money can't buy dere” |
| i'm starting to like Bittenfeld :) Oberstein really is kinda messing empire's pace up 4/5 |
Sayonara,papa! "Just how a mirror reflects you,people will also reflect your heart." ~Athena Glory,Aria "Whatever happens,happens" ~Spike Spiegel's thoughts on dying(Cowboy Bebop) |
| Oberstein, you have now made it to my list. Feel free to sit next to Lunge here |
| Even when I was in crowd, I was always alone |
| Bittenfeld's lines are always great. |
| "My tables-meet it is I set it down That one may smile, and smile, and be a villain." |
| Rugpool, huh? I can't take that name seriously. |
| I fear they are bringing back the "If only Kircheis!" scapegoat. Dudes been dead for like 80 episodes. Move on and man up. I always liked Wahlen, I hope he survives ep 110. Wahlen parked his armored vehicle at the crossroads... He glared at both sides each time they looked like they were going to erupt. Thus, he silently restrained them in this manner." Bittenfield gain a lot of my respect with I can't keep making trouble for you guys, either after discussing how Reinhard is sick and causing more trouble doesn't help. Actually almost every major character has some good lines in this episode. At one point Schenkopp begins a discussion by pulling out his flask and drinking heavily. |
| Interesting to see some of the commercial district in Heinessen. There was a shop called MAH Microsoft, bank B.P. and a shop called Hippopotamus. Early in the episode there was also a billboard advertising Maldives. Can't be Earth Maldives. And in the previous episode I think they were advertising 100% Apple juice on a huge billboard. They must have a big profit margin to afford advertising apple juice in the city centre. I can't help but think now that when the Iserlohn Republican Government speaks of democracy, it's really ironic. Basically what they have is a military junta lead by two unelected officials, Julian and Mrs. Yang. |
Sabinlerose said: Rugpool, huh? I can't take that name seriously. Still so much better than Shampool. Merril said: I fear they are bringing back the "If only Kircheis!" scapegoat. Dudes been dead for like 80 episodes. Move on and man up. I think Iserlohn has already moved further on from Yang's death. |
| For me the hostage situation parallels the Westerland incident except what to do is entirely up to Julian. If he did let the hostages get executed then, as was already mentioned in the episode, Reinhard's image in the eyes of the public would crumble and probably end up boiling into rebellion in a few years or decades. Which would be good for those in Iserlohn. If Oberstein were in Julian's shoes that's exactly what he would do. We all know that Julian isn't like that, same with Yang. For better or worse Julian is choosing to take the moral high road here. |
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| EPIC line from Bittenfeld. "I acknowledge that Oberstein isn't acting in his own self-interest. I don't mind conceding that. But he knows he isn't acting out self-interest, and is using that as his weapon. That's what I don't like about him!" |
| I get the feeling that the Terraists, in some retarded last ditch effort, are going to kill Hilda . . . Although I hope not, since it seems that the Kaiser is finally not caring only about Sieg/Annerose . . . Which too be honest is kind of . . . Annoying. Anyways, I wonder if Reinhard will make it in time to stop whatever Oberstein is planning. |
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| Wow, Reinhard said the exact same thing as someone else in the forums. "Oberstein is so correct that it leaves no room for debate." o.O Ah, 5 more episodes. I wonder how this'll play out... they really need to give that disc to Reinhard though, and then there would be a reason to eliminate the Terraists and Rubinsky, though the latter seems to be coming to his end anyways. |
Merril said: I fear they are bringing back the "If only Kircheis!" scapegoat. Dudes been dead for like 80 episodes. Move on and man up. If only... |
| "I acknowledge that Oberstein isn't acting in his own self-interest. I don't mind conceding that. But he knows he isn't acting out self-interest, and is using that as his weapon. That's what I don't like about him" As much as an oaf Bittenfeld acts like sometimes, he hit the nail on the head with this one. If Oberstein had ANY tact whatsoever he would still get his way and prove even more useful to the empire. His eyes are firmly focused on the future and securing the empire rule yet with the way he's going about it he simply won't last much longer to see his intentions play out. |
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| Oberstein is just making things worse by not letting Bittenfield's supporters see him. |
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| Great development, really looking forward what the 6 last episodes will offer! |
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| I was actually really liking Bittenfield in this episode. |
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| I always thought that Bittenfeld was all brawn and no brains but I'm glad there's more to his character. |
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| For the last few episodes I've been noticing one consistent 1/5 vote in the polls. Rubinsky, is that you? :P Laughed so hard at the "If Kircheis were alive.." moment. This is getting a little old :D |
| Wahlen really got some balls to sit so carefreely in a crossfire lol Bittenfeld gets some development at last, like him a bit more since last episode. Muler is good at persuade his friend, he's calm and rational when it comes to making bargain haha. Oberstein kept being obstinate as usual but it seems he finally listen to other (this one time only perhaps lol). And i find this the best quote of the episode XD. |
| I am the same Bittenfield's opinion, i think that all this is a cheat, a great Oberstein´s cheat!!! |
| Really boring episode I haven't got bored of this show since God knows episodes ago. |
| When Reinhard was talking with Fraulein, and he said that he couldn't hide anything from her (regarding wanting to go to Heinessen to fix things himself), you see a close-up of his hands...they look so thin and bony. Either it's really intentional or my eyes are bad and his hands look normal. I mean his face still looks normal and healthy. But I think it's intentional, his fevers really took a toll on him. Julian's thoughts were interesting. He was thinking why did Yang and Reinhard take the long way, sacrificing so many lives, to win, when they could take the shorter, but dishonorable path? It's a rhetorical question, since we know why. But also, it connects with what Reinhard said about Oberstein earlier in the episode. That Oberstein is so correct there's no room for argument. And ofc, Oberstein pissed off a lot of those in the imperial Army. This is why you should care about what people think. Not everyone can be as stoic as Oberstein, putting duty before emotions. When people get angry, they tend to lose control of reason, and will act before thinking. Yes, he is doing everything for the sake of the Empire and the world, but having authority doesn't mean you can do everything your way. Oberstein doesn't have the charisma that Reinhard has, therefore people won't follow him blindly. Btw, great episode title. "Towards Peace, via Bloodshed" |
| Reinhard correcting himself after referring to Hilda as Fraulein is still a great running joke. |
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| Oberstein is really smart but he doesn't know how to "resist" or even read the atmosphere It's really dangerous for him because he'll make enemies, lot of them along his way This doesn't smell good for Julian and co. But at the same time I guess there's an accident somewhere Probably Oberstein or Kaiser will be involved |
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| Hilda starting to look a lot like Frederica lol. |
One Piece episode 914 & 915 & 1027 were a mistake and 957 brought the salvation - FMmatron |
| entire episode caused by oberstein. long time we hadn't that. love how his character getting important near the series end. his "politics" ideas even been discussed by the republicans. never the less, the "reuntal" flag arose above oberstein head is kinda big. cannot see how this going to end without big killing. and there's also that incident that made happen at the narrator's time. lol won't be surprised if this actually is connected to the terraist. hilda can't imagine reinhard being old. well, so am i. lol. being left at phezzan makes me hope hilda won't be assassinate.... |
 Oberstein is too powerful, how can they stop him? |
RandomdawgNov 27, 2022 2:50 PM
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| Oh please not another civil war is brewing... |
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JohnWoo said: Weren't all the Goldenbaums dead now? I'm sure we can strike them off the list at this point That episode was great. Loved the fall out from Oberstein's actions. Wahlen continues to be a crazy badass. Love that guy. Good on Julian for being better than Oberstein and Reinhard and not giving up the life of innocents. Muller really is the best guy in the show. Bittenfeld is amazing to. I liked how at the wedding they both said Reinhard was like a God which is why they were so shocked with Oberstein's words last episode. Power rankings: 1) Empire. Imploding by itself. 2) Julian. Hopefully will make it in one piece. 3) Earth Cult 4) Rubinsky 5) Goldenbaums. MVP: Wahlen was amazing but Bittenfeld's quote about Oberstein and his outbursts give him the nod. JohnWoo said: That episode was great. Loved the fall out from Oberstein's actions. Wahlen continues to be a crazy badass. Love that guy. Good on Julian for being better than Oberstein and Reinhard and not giving up the life of innocents. Muller really is the best guy in the show. Bittenfeld is amazing to. I liked how at the wedding they both said Reinhard was like a God which is why they were so shocked with Oberstein's words last episode. Power rankings: 1) Empire. Imploding by itself. 2) Julian. Hopefully will make it in one piece. 3) Earth Cult 4) Rubinsky 5) Goldenbaums. MVP: Wahlen was amazing but Bittenfeld's quote about Oberstein and his outbursts give him the nod. |
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| Nice episode, specially for our three high admirals who all managed to deliver in different situations. Bitterfield really opened up his character way more and shown us his different sides and qualities. Muller was pretty much great troughout whole episode, shown why hes still one of the most likable characters around. And Wahlen was just ultimate chad for approaching both sides in one tank and just sitting there. It seems that massive praise for Oberstein was indeed given by Reinhard, but big part of it just can't be dissagreed with since its absolutely right on who's advice Reinhard tried to follow all these years. Julian and others going to the meeting in Heinessen is just big risk but possible big reward, hopefully they can get there without anymore problems |
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