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Jan 21, 2011 8:52 AM

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Inarius said:
if that fox dude can grant any wish, why the fuck isn't madoka wishing for infinite wishes....the bastard even said the word any...good god


Reading this made me think of
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Jan 21, 2011 8:59 AM
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nerdyguy said:
Nvm, what is more important is why the theme food and hospital is choosen.
Charlotte (the name of the witch) is also a type of dessert. And the Grief Seed was stucked on a hospital wall. Food+hospital, that's all.
 
Jan 21, 2011 9:05 AM

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Ahh, how silly of me to overlook that in google. Okay, that explains the first half of what i wanted to know (I have overlooked the hospital part as well) . The second half is: Why Food and hospital intrinsitcally?
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Jan 21, 2011 9:07 AM

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Akemi has plain magical girl clothes. D:

 
Jan 21, 2011 9:08 AM

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Did not see that coming. Did not expect that. Absolutely loved it.
I am really happy how this is turning out…and I guess I have to rethink my prejudices against maho shojo series…and shaft. This show just catapulted itself to the second spot of my favorite animes this season…
 
Jan 21, 2011 9:16 AM

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It was heartwarming right before she died, and that truly made this much more emotional. I was actually disgusted at how she was dangling by her head but this is such a dark show. It may hide under the guise of mahou shoujo, but the witch's realms are pretty evil and the atmosphere is rarely cheery.
 
Jan 21, 2011 9:17 AM
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Holy Shit. I did not expect that at all.
 
Jan 21, 2011 9:35 AM
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NOOOOOOOO! Not Mami! Did not expect that but I guess this is the beauty to the anime
 
Jan 21, 2011 9:44 AM

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Poor Mami. ;_; I will miss her.
However, right now I'm more interested in Homura's past. During her conversation with Mami, Mami said:
That's to be expected from bulied child.


So far this anime is my favorite of the season. If it countinues like this, it might become my favorite of the year.
Also, it does remind me of the "Faust". So, that's another big plus. :)
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Jan 21, 2011 9:53 AM

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This just got serious.
 
Jan 21, 2011 10:07 AM
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just to make it clear, i didn't make any of the rune translations, all credit goes to the madoka wiki.
 
Jan 21, 2011 10:08 AM

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Jure said:
nerdyguy said:
Nvm, what is more important is why the theme food and hospital is choosen.
Charlotte (the name of the witch) is also a type of dessert. And the Grief Seed was stucked on a hospital wall. Food+hospital, that's all.

I find it just... a little bit funny that Mami and Madoka were discussing eating cake... and then the witch named after a type of cake ate Mami's head.

Edit: And it fits rather well with the whole 'be careful what you wish for' vibe. 'If you can't think of what to wish for, we'll ask Kyubey for a huge cake'. SUDDENLY, cake filled environment and a witch named after cake.
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Jan 21, 2011 10:11 AM

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hm,
if Kuybey is Mephisto (Devil or gods bloodservant)
and Madoka is Faust (the one who sold his soul to mephisto)

Who is Gretchen? young,taintless, which becomes pregnant with Faust´s child and is later executed for killing the newborn

Gretchens Brother? killed by Faust
Gretchens Mother? poisoned by Faust
 
Jan 21, 2011 10:14 AM

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Oh my god, Mami-san died ;_; But I'm sure that one of the girls will make a wish to bring Mami-san back to life, maybe. Anyways, that was a cool episode.



 
Jan 21, 2011 10:16 AM

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Grummel said:
hm,
if Kuybey is Mephisto (Devil or gods bloodservant)
and Madoka is Faust (the one who sold his soul to mephisto)

Who is Gretchen? young,taintless, which becomes pregnant with Faust´s child and is later executed for killing the newborn

Gretchens Brother? killed by Faust
Gretchens Mother? poisoned by Faust

I wouldn't be so quick to say Madoka is Faust. Homura could be our Faust-analogue, and Madoka our Gretchen.

Which casts the latter two parts in starker light. (Not that we know how much it will follow Faust, if at all.)
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Jan 21, 2011 10:18 AM

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It seems we have two types of people here. The first being the ones who just want Mami revived, and the second group saying that that would be terrible to the storyline if it was just that easy. I really understand the second group's thought process, but I really would be sad if she just off and disappeared fro the series so easily. Even if she came back as a witch, I still think she'll end up back as a mahou shoujo again sooner or later. I don't know, it just bothers me a lot that she might have just died like that when there was so much emphasis on her in general. If this were the case though, Madoka and Sayaka are gonna really gonna hesitate to become majou shoujo. That's a lot of trauma right there.

As for this whole Kyubey thing, I guess I see where everyone is coming from with him being "evil." I just don't see it though. It's possible he may be using them, but I don't know about evil. As for his rush to make them mahou shoujo, they would have died if Homura didn't show up unless they became mahou shoujo.
 
Jan 21, 2011 10:20 AM
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At the moment, it seems like every character is Faust, in a way.

I think this might be what they were going for.
 
Jan 21, 2011 10:22 AM

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Kaiserpingvin said:
Grummel said:
hm,
if Kuybey is Mephisto (Devil or gods bloodservant)
and Madoka is Faust (the one who sold his soul to mephisto)

Who is Gretchen? young,taintless, which becomes pregnant with Faust´s child and is later executed for killing the newborn

Gretchens Brother? killed by Faust
Gretchens Mother? poisoned by Faust

I wouldn't be so quick to say Madoka is Faust. Homura could be our Faust-analogue, and Madoka our Gretchen.

Which casts the latter two parts in starker light. (Not that we know how much it will follow Faust, if at all.)


i see Homura as Wagner, preservation of the status quo
 
Jan 21, 2011 10:25 AM

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Neogen said:
I don't know, it just bothers me a lot that she might have just died like that when there was so much emphasis on her in general.

It was exactly because she was going to die she had the spotlight on her.

Though, I cannot really conceive of Madoka not wishing for her to be revived, so it really hinges on a) whether that is possible, b) that doesn't have hidden strings attached. Both seem likely.

Personally I detest bring-the-dead-back plot points if the groundwork is not laid and consequences are not had. The first is aptly fulfilled (they spent two episodes making a big deal out of the wish, after all!), and the second just seems like it would.
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Jan 21, 2011 10:51 AM

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I actually offhandedly wished that Mami would die before and now I feel bad. ;_;
This is spectacular. Did not expect this at all. I cannot believe there was a time when I had no interest in watching this show.

also oh God, that bit at the end when they were both crying and Kyubei was just sitting there with his :3 face.
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Jan 21, 2011 10:54 AM

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I found this disturbing the human in a bottle in the bottom...
 
Jan 21, 2011 11:22 AM

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so like.. is she dead? didn't really seem like they'd kill her off like that especially after that "i'm not afraid i'm not alone anymore" speech she did.
I mean cmon this witch looked pretty puny.. no way she could've died by that lol.. I dunno, maybe she did but it definitely doesn't feel like it.
well, it was still a good episode nonetheless. was expecting madoka to turn into a mahou shoujo though but i guess we'll have to wait for that.
 
Jan 21, 2011 11:27 AM

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Wow, I can't believe that just happened to Mami. I mean, where the usual deus ex machina to bail the main characters out? Doesn't this show have a tag line called "Magica Quartet" or something...kind of strange if one of those four is only alive for one episode. There is always the possibility that they can just wish for her back, although I think that would be completely unrealistic; but if they did, she wouldn't be the same.

In any case, this series is great, and popular too if 175+ responses within less than 24 hours of an episode is any indication. I like that they are taking risks like this and keeping the story very original, this will most likely be the best anime series of the season (although I still think Fractale has a chance to be pretty special as well).

Also, why doesn't Homura transform or anything to fight the witch; or was that blue glowing thing not her power but her transformation? I'm looking at the promotional wallpaper for the series and she is in regular clothes too while everyone else is transformed. Maybe she is so powerful that she doesn't even need to transform?
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Jan 21, 2011 11:28 AM

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Jan 21, 2011 11:39 AM

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Blacksaber said:
I found this disturbing the human in a bottle in the bottom...


If you are talking about the jar in the bottom left, it doesn't seem to be a human. If you go back in the scene to about 15:13 (in gg's release) the same jar is near the top, in the middle of the screen as the girls are walking. It seems to be a plant of some type.
 
Jan 21, 2011 11:39 AM

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Wow, pretty epic.

Though I believe she will live again if I see what the name of the next episode is, she is to early to be death. It's obvious that Madoka is going to wish going back in to time, or just let here live and become a Magical Shoujo. Mami was her dream, so that is her wish!
 
Jan 21, 2011 11:46 AM

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Wow, I just expected her to get in trouble to make Madoka become a magical girl... BUT NO THEY KILLED HER!
 
Jan 21, 2011 12:03 PM

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Kaiserpingvin said:
I wouldn't be so quick to say Madoka is Faust. Homura could be our Faust-analogue, and Madoka our Gretchen.

Which casts the latter two parts in starker light. (Not that we know how much it will follow Faust, if at all.)
Hm... I rather had the feeling that Mami was our Faust in episode 3. Remember her remarks that she's not afraid and not alone anymore? I think having friends was her wish, which got fulfilled at this moment. So that was the moment she had to die.
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Jan 21, 2011 12:10 PM

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moved my rating from a 9/10 to a 10/10...this is shaft's best anime. Greatest soundtrack ever, best ED theme, best art and amazing storyline.

i seriously cant wait to see more
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Jan 21, 2011 12:14 PM

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EMChamp said:
Also, why doesn't Homura transform or anything to fight the witch; or was that blue glowing thing not her power but her transformation? I'm looking at the promotional wallpaper for the series and she is in regular clothes too while everyone else is transformed. Maybe she is so powerful that she doesn't even need to transform?

She did transform. You can see her transforming back at 21:25 or so. Her battle clothes just look much like her regular school uniform.
 
Jan 21, 2011 12:27 PM

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Hm... I rather had the feeling that Mami was our Faust in episode 3. Remember her remarks that she's not afraid and not alone anymore? I think having friends was her wish, which got fulfilled at this moment. So that was the moment she had to die.
I agree with you. But I wonder who's Gretchen... Maybe that's Madoka (she is very innocent afterall). and her brother and mother will play roles of Gretchen's brother and mother.
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Jan 21, 2011 12:29 PM

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What is this, I don't even

And dat ED.
 
Jan 21, 2011 12:45 PM

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oh man i didnt believe what i saw, man thats great stuff cant compare to any serie i ever watched.
 
Jan 21, 2011 12:47 PM

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It was a nice twist that Mami died, but I fear Madoka's wish will be to revive her. I think it'd be better if she stayed dead, it'd be more interesting that way.
 
Jan 21, 2011 1:17 PM

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Even thou I saw her death comming, I absolutely love this anime.
Added Mami Tomoe to my fav's to remember her gun shooting actions, those were so cool. :]

 
Jan 21, 2011 2:54 PM

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+ TV sized ED
+ Moar mystery ensues
 
Jan 21, 2011 4:15 PM

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PerlaNemesis said:


I agree with you. But I wonder who's Gretchen... Maybe that's Madoka (she is very innocent afterall). and her brother and mother will play roles of Gretchen's brother and mother.


I second that, I think Mami is Faust, Kyubey is the devil (c'mon look at that :3 face... ) and madoka is the innocent Gretchen that got seduced by Faust (Mami). And later Madoka becomes Faust (cuz Mami died) and seduces Homura (the new Gretchen), and at the end Homura might save Madoka from the devil and guide her to heaven.

This is my imagination if urobuchi gen really used the faust legend as the back story O_O
 
Jan 21, 2011 4:50 PM

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Kyubey is the devil (c'mon look at that :3 face... )

lol yeah, exactly


That would creep me out after a while.
 
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Most crazy and twisted episode I've seen since School Days. Really dying to see the next episode already!
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Kaiserpingvin said:
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I don't know, it just bothers me a lot that she might have just died like that when there was so much emphasis on her in general.

It was exactly because she was going to die she had the spotlight on her.

Though, I cannot really conceive of Madoka not wishing for her to be revived, so it really hinges on a) whether that is possible, b) that doesn't have hidden strings attached. Both seem likely.

Personally I detest bring-the-dead-back plot points if the groundwork is not laid and consequences are not had. The first is aptly fulfilled (they spent two episodes making a big deal out of the wish, after all!), and the second just seems like it would.
Perhaps I worded it wrong. I mean how much of a main character she was considered. Her role in the opening where you see her helping madoka as a mahou shoujo. I honestly think it would be terrible if she couldn't teach madoka and sayaka.
 
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Well, at least Mami was badass until the end. Speaking of which, does anyone have a gif of Mami fighting with her muskets right after she tells Madoka to wish for cake?
 
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sillyriri said:
Jure said:
nerdyguy said:
Nvm, what is more important is why the theme food and hospital is choosen.
Charlotte (the name of the witch) is also a type of dessert. And the Grief Seed was stucked on a hospital wall. Food+hospital, that's all.

I find it just... a little bit funny that Mami and Madoka were discussing eating cake... and then the witch named after a type of cake ate Mami's head.

Edit: And it fits rather well with the whole 'be careful what you wish for' vibe. 'If you can't think of what to wish for, we'll ask Kyubey for a huge cake'. SUDDENLY, cake filled environment and a witch named after cake.


It is scaringly coincidental, come to think of it. I have also came up with another reference to your statement. Remember Marie Antoinette of France that was beheaded in a guillotine. She said: let them eat cake.

I do believe however, that it is a coincidence and it is not a product of mani's wishes, unless you are willing to equate her to Faust.
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Jan 21, 2011 5:53 PM

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Her memento.
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It looks like Mami is in the ED, but she is sitting down.
 
Jan 21, 2011 6:12 PM

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Well, everyone else is standing, so it seems to mark her "out of business".
 
Jan 21, 2011 6:17 PM

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just to make it clear, i didn't make any of the rune translations, all credit goes to the madoka wiki.


Haha :), I areadly knew that, but you should really credit the few people lurking around /a/, as they get most of their infos from there.

That reminds me to get my daily dose of /a/ and the wiki.
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Jan 21, 2011 6:19 PM

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T___________T WAAAH

I WANT MY MAMI *pun intended

Is this what a mahou shoujo is like? DANG This is my first time watching a mahou shoujo. I've always thought that mahou shoujo is all about cutesy and sweets.
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Jan 21, 2011 6:22 PM

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DVD and BD pre-orders of Madoka Magica went wild in Japan after this episode, VERY WILD see
http://www.amazon.co.jp/gp/bestsellers/dvd/16378461/ref=pd_ts_zgc_d_16378461_more?pf_rd_p=95927389&pf_rd_s=right-5&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_i=403507011&pf_rd_m=AN1VRQENFRJN5&pf_rd_r=1DSJA7FX1ET3YRFHZS90

Now Madoka is first in BD sales(amazon.jp)
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Jan 21, 2011 6:24 PM
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Ok, it's settled: this really is the best anime this season.

A heart-breaking episode, indeed. Mami was my favorite character, and seeing her dying in such a horrifying way was really, depressing. ;___;

Ladies and gentlemen, buckle up... This'll be one hell of a ride.
 
Jan 21, 2011 6:31 PM

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It's been a while since I've thought the week was far too long.

All other series this winter may be disappointing so far, but this one more than makes up for them.

This is 24 minutes of epic win every Thursday.

Even though Mami died, her battle sequences this episode were breathtakingly amazing.

Another 10/10.
 
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