The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya (light novel)
| The scene with Nagato in the library, I'm not sure if there's any meaning to it... Anyone have an idea? |
| I think the boy is helping the girl get a library card. This reminds Yuki of how Kyon helped her get her library card. Notice how she holds up her book? I guess this is up to interpretation, but I think she's smiling and trying to hide it. Or maybe she just remembered the emotion of smiling from the time she was a normal girl. Something like that. We'll never know for sure... |
NecoDelero said: I think the boy is helping the girl get a library card. This reminds Yuki of how Kyon helped her get her library card. Notice how she holds up her book? I guess this is up to interpretation, but I think she's smiling and trying to hide it. Or maybe she just remembered the emotion of smiling from the time she was a normal girl. Something like that. We'll never know for sure... I interpreted it the same way. The book was hiding a smile, and she was smiling because the two kids brought up a good memory of her and Kyon. |
| Ah yes, makes sense makes sense. |
GarLogan78 said: NecoDelero said: I think the boy is helping the girl get a library card. This reminds Yuki of how Kyon helped her get her library card. Notice how she holds up her book? I guess this is up to interpretation, but I think she's smiling and trying to hide it. Or maybe she just remembered the emotion of smiling from the time she was a normal girl. Something like that. We'll never know for sure... I interpreted it the same way. The book was hiding a smile, and she was smiling because the two kids brought up a good memory of her and Kyon. Yeah, same interpratation here ^^ |
NecoDelero said: I think the boy is helping the girl get a library card. This reminds Yuki of how Kyon helped her get her library card. Notice how she holds up her book? I guess this is up to interpretation, but I think she's smiling and trying to hide it. Or maybe she just remembered the emotion of smiling from the time she was a normal girl. Something like that. We'll never know for sure... That was the exact same thought I had, too. I'm glad to see that more people interpreted it as such. Ah. I loved everything about the movie. ^_^ |
desolatoJan 23, 2011 2:28 PM
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| Aren't those two kids loli Mikuru and loli Tsuruya in the past ? |
SurferDude said: Aren't those two kids loli Mikuru and loli Tsuruya in the past ? That's what I thought too; lol Tsuruya has short hair teasing the fact that she really long hair when she's older ^^ As with the interpretation so far, I agree with that, just that the 'boy' is actually Tsuruya and the 'girl' is Mikuru... But then that means that Nagato is in the past!!! o_O As much as I like complex stories with a lot of twists this movie has really... got me confused *sigh*  |
GarLogan78 said: NecoDelero said: I think the boy is helping the girl get a library card. This reminds Yuki of how Kyon helped her get her library card. Notice how she holds up her book? I guess this is up to interpretation, but I think she's smiling and trying to hide it. Or maybe she just remembered the emotion of smiling from the time she was a normal girl. Something like that. We'll never know for sure... I interpreted it the same way. The book was hiding a smile, and she was smiling because the two kids brought up a good memory of her and Kyon. brilliant!!! thanks for the explanation lol |
| I don't think she's smiling. Remember that the movie revolved around Yuki's emotions, or the fact she had any at all. There is no reason for her to look up at those kids, but of course she is reminded of the library card Kyon helped her get. She tries to shift her focus back to her book, but she can't help but look back up. This is all triggered by her emotions, a concept Yuki can't seem to understand and a part of herself she cannot control. Her solution, therefore, is very practical: she doesn't try to look back down, but simply holds her book in front of her, so she can still read it while looking that way. Not only is it cute in a clumsy way, it also confirms what she said before: there's no guarantee that what happened won't happen again, because she still has the same emotions. The "errors" will continue to accumulate and we can only guess what it will cause to happen in the future. Though this is how I interpreted it, the resemblance to Tsuruya and Mikuru is rather striking indeed. Yuki's not wearing glasses though so we can assume it's a coincidence. |
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| I don't particularly find the resemblance all that striking, really. Assuming it's within the whole time-space continuum, they're probably just two random kids. I believe the significance of the scene just to be the development of Yuki's emotions in order to prevent such an incident from occurring again. Even if she wasn't programmed that way initially, Kyon's message to her boss probably made it through somehow. |
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| My legit explanation as a Haruhi fan. This is the scene before, where Kyon helps Nagato get a library card. Since the book covers her face we can assume she is smiling. Since she has emotions, this means that this was the very first time they met because in the altered world Nagato already met Kyon once before. This is the future Kyon that met Nagato, the future Kyon travels back in time twice, once so that Nagato can remember Kyon, and another to inject the needle. This needle I believe is what made her lose her emotions because this is Nagato in the past, the Nagato who got injected was the Nagato who was given the club form back. I can prove my theory even more, I'll glady explain the whole movie if you want me to, there is just to many things to say. |
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Otaku_Hikikomori said: Explained why Asukara was made was because she needed to protect Nagato. She said so herself. The Nagato who stopped Asukara from stabbing Kyon was a future Nagato, meaning there were 2 Nagato's present at the time. Reason why? Nagato who stops the stabbing has no glasses. There 2 Asahina's because future Kyon and Nagato needs to get back in time, and present time Kyon needs to get back, that's why Kyon said he can still choose to pick which world he wants: either by not stopping the stabbing or stopping it. He needs to go back twice, once libary card and to inject Nagato (read post before). Btw Asukara attacks Nagato and Kyon in season 1, this I think is that the data thought entity made Asukara remember the events from the movie. Since Nagato in season 1 is more collected than in the movie, Asukara no longer needs to protect her, rather, Nagato in season 1 is actually getting in her way, thus a fight happens.My legit explanation as a Haruhi fan. This is the scene before, where Kyon helps Nagato get a library card. Since the book covers her face we can assume she is smiling. Since she has emotions, this means that this was the very first time they met because in the altered world Nagato already met Kyon once before. This is the future Kyon that met Nagato, the future Kyon travels back in time twice, once so that Nagato can remember Kyon, and another to inject the needle. This needle I believe is what made her lose her emotions because this is Nagato in the past, the Nagato who got injected was the Nagato who was given the club form back. I can prove my theory even more, I'll glady explain the whole movie if you want me to, there is just to many things to say. If you need me to explain anything in detail in the post I'll tell you why. Some stuff there may seem iffy, just ask and I will explain. If you want more info on MY THEORY just ask. |
desolatoJan 23, 2011 2:29 PM
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| I did some more analysis turns out that this scene isn't related to Kyon getting Nagato the library card. Glasses Nagato gets future Kyon's library card. This scene is pretty interesting though. Stereotypical said: This means that those kids are not Tsuruya and Mikuru, because without the glasses proves she's a Nagato who lost her emotionns, therefore they are in present time (Mikuru grown up, and Tsuruya too, Nagato doesn't grow) and Nagato not smiling is correct. Anyways, everything else I've said should be fine with the theory.That's what I thought too; lol Tsuruya has short hair teasing the fact that she really long hair when she's older ^^ As with the interpretation so far, I agree with that, just that the 'boy' is actually Tsuruya and the 'girl' is Mikuru... But then that means that Nagato is in the past!!! o_O As much as I like complex stories with a lot of twists this movie has really... got me confused *sigh* |
desolatoJan 23, 2011 2:31 PM
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Otaku_Hikikomori said: the future Kyon travels back in time twice, once so that Nagato can remember Kyon, and another to inject the needle. When shy Nagato explained her version of what happened when she went to get her library card, stating that Kyon acted differently than what Kyon remembers to have acted, I thought it was because whoever changed the world also modified shy Nagato's memories to a version where Kyon's actions did not have Haruhi as a justification (and thus falsificating her memories). The regular Nagato explained that the range of modification of past events was 365 days. Shy Nagato went to the library in May, which is within the 1-year limit. Thus it is very possible that Kyon didn't have to go back just to make her remember him. She just has a memory of something that didn't really happen. |
| Didn't read the thread so pardon me if I restated something already stated: Since Nagato has the memory of the future her and paste her synced (some of it), the two kids (which I think is Tsuyura and Mikuru, loli version) reminding her of the time Kyon got her the library card made her reminisce and smile. |
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PBz0r said: I don't think she's smiling. Remember that the movie revolved around Yuki's emotions, or the fact she had any at all. There is no reason for her to look up at those kids, but of course she is reminded of the library card Kyon helped her get. She tries to shift her focus back to her book, but she can't help but look back up. This is all triggered by her emotions, a concept Yuki can't seem to understand and a part of herself she cannot control. Her solution, therefore, is very practical: she doesn't try to look back down, but simply holds her book in front of her, so she can still read it while looking that way. Not only is it cute in a clumsy way, it also confirms what she said before: there's no guarantee that what happened won't happen again, because she still has the same emotions. The "errors" will continue to accumulate and we can only guess what it will cause to happen in the future. Though this is how I interpreted it, the resemblance to Tsuruya and Mikuru is rather striking indeed. Yuki's not wearing glasses though so we can assume it's a coincidence. How you said it is how I interpreted it to begin with as well. - I did not see her as smiling (although it would be great!) but when she saw the supposed boy helping the Mikuru look alike get a library card...she reminisced at pulled the book up so her eyes could witness it - something that we never get to see since she is always hunched over reading. As for the emotions...that is true! |
DoubleDango said: Didn't read the thread so pardon me if I restated something already stated: Since Nagato has the memory of the future her and paste her synced (some of it), the two kids (which I think is Tsuyura and Mikuru, loli version) reminding her of the time Kyon got her the library card made her reminisce and smile. mikuru is from the future, enough to proof that they are not the loli version of them and nagato dont look up to look again at those two coz they already walked out of the library lol.... |
DuroDeMatar said: GarLogan78 said: NecoDelero said: I think the boy is helping the girl get a library card. This reminds Yuki of how Kyon helped her get her library card. Notice how she holds up her book? I guess this is up to interpretation, but I think she's smiling and trying to hide it. Or maybe she just remembered the emotion of smiling from the time she was a normal girl. Something like that. We'll never know for sure... I interpreted it the same way. The book was hiding a smile, and she was smiling because the two kids brought up a good memory of her and Kyon. Yeah, same interpratation here ^^ I also thought the same way.. Btw wasn't that T.O.T.A.L.L.Y. M.O.E.~_~ |
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Stereotypical said: SurferDude said: Aren't those two kids loli Mikuru and loli Tsuruya in the past ? That's what I thought too; lol Tsuruya has short hair teasing the fact that she really long hair when she's older ^^ As with the interpretation so far, I agree with that, just that the 'boy' is actually Tsuruya and the 'girl' is Mikuru... But then that means that Nagato is in the past!!! o_O As much as I like complex stories with a lot of twists this movie has really... got me confused *sigh* Nagato is in the present, but the Mikuru and Tsuruya that are her age in the series and movie (so 16 ish) are actually from the future. The ones from the present are the child versions of Mikuru and Tsuruya. Or atleast that was my interpretation. |
| At the hospital roof, Yuki explained that it wasn't guaranteed for her to form abnormalities in her system, which was also noted as emotions. The little scene with her smiling in the end just signifies that over time she will eventually acquire normal human traits. |
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eru-nyan said: i'm sorry for digging up this prehistoric topic, but as i just finished the movie i wondered about that part... and as i liked your interpretation i think noone noticed that boys jacket with "Return" on it, which might change the expression she wanted to hide... Wow seriously? I wonder if they were ever planning for Haruhi to return at the time, if that is true. |
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