Alwerien said: Although in an ideal world, the anime industry shouldn't have to be worrying about these things, but assuming it does go through as expected on Wednesday, the online route still makes more sense.The companies do care about their profits the most though.. and the limitations from ban take away lots of possible customers->profits. Wouldn't they rather go with more profitable series? There are just over 28 million people who aren't connected to the Internet in Japan compared with 33 million people living in the Tokyo Metropolitan area, so even on numbers alone, the online route makes better business sense, and that's not even accounting for the likelihood that those who can't go online are less likely to be interested in anime in the first place due to the kinds of demographic who refuse to go online, and those who can't because of money issues probably can't afford anime DVDs anyway. |
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Yumekichi11 said: entropy13 said: I am sorry but there are parents who work a lot and some don't care about their child as they should and as a result the possibility of the child being awake is possible. Furthermore there are the internet and recording devices to record those shows anytime. Heck there is even online streaming less there is a smart parental block program installed to stop that sort viewing.Which I don't get. Unless they admit that children are still awake at midnight, then how can it be "harmful" to children that are asleep? Oreimo and Yosuga no Sora are both aired 11:30pm. Motto To LOVE-Ru is aired 2:00am. What a convenient justification then. Why call them "parents" if they can't even care about their own children? "One who begets, gives birth to, or nurtures and raises a child." Being too busy because of work is no excuse for neglecting their own children. So in essence you're condoning neglectful parents as well. "Congratulations." |
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holypoop said: Ah, fucking shit. Does this mean that all manga with adult content are in danger of getting canceled? YES!! Including GANTZ, To Love Ru, Beserk, Claymore, etc. It's funny how some people actually thought that this bill only applied to ecchi and loli, when in fact SEINEN is more endanger than any other material. |
alexcampos said: Don't forget that many of those ecchi/loli are also seinen themselves due to the fact that demographics are based on magazines rather than genres. Kodomo no Jikan, for instance, was serialized in a seinen magazine, so is a seinen manga. Chu-Bra!! is serialized in the same magazine and is also seinen as a result.holypoop said: Ah, fucking shit. Does this mean that all manga with adult content are in danger of getting canceled? YES!! Including GANTZ, To Love Ru, Beserk, Claymore, etc. It's funny how some people actually thought that this bill only applied to ecchi and loli, when in fact SEINEN is more endanger than any other material. You may be able to defend Kodomo no Jikan's artistic merit (I heard that it gets quite good later on if you can look past the loli ecchi), but Chu-Bra? So yeah, being a seinen manga doesn't guarantee that it is a high-quality series, even though many of the best anime/manga are seinen. |
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FOE-tan said: Alwerien said: Although in an ideal world, the anime industry shouldn't have to be worrying about these things, but assuming it does go through as expected on Wednesday, the online route still makes more sense.The companies do care about their profits the most though.. and the limitations from ban take away lots of possible customers->profits. Wouldn't they rather go with more profitable series? There are just over 28 million people who aren't connected to the Internet in Japan compared with 33 million people living in the Tokyo Metropolitan area, so even on numbers alone, the online route makes better business sense, and that's not even accounting for the likelihood that those who can't go online are less likely to be interested in anime in the first place due to the kinds of demographic who refuse to go online, and those who can't because of money issues probably can't afford anime DVDs anyway. So if thats the case I guess I'll have to say goodbye to free online Anime streams |
alexcampos said: holypoop said: Ah, fucking shit. Does this mean that all manga with adult content are in danger of getting canceled? YES!! Including GANTZ, To Love Ru, Beserk, Claymore, etc. It's funny how some people actually thought that this bill only applied to ecchi and loli, when in fact SEINEN is more endanger than any other material. Isn't the whole point of the bill to: prohibit the publishers to sell minors (under 18) anime and manga which: 1. provoke sexual sensation or induce crimes. 2. positively describe illegal sexual acts or incest. Since when was Gantz and Berserk sold to minors? I think it'd be pretty much common sense to keep it away from them, so rather than regulate I'd guess they'd just up it to over 18 content. Seeing as Gantz is sold in a Seinen magazine aimed at older audiences I think that's pretty obvious. Not to mention WSJ and others saying they're going not going to hinder people's works because of the bill. |
BakaKawaii said: Because of how the legislation is being put into force, not being able to sell Berserk to minors = not being able to sell Berserk in any mainstream shops in the Tokyo metropolitan area.Isn't the whole point of the bill to: prohibit the publishers to sell minors (under 18) anime and manga which: 1. provoke sexual sensation or induce crimes. 2. positively describe illegal sexual acts or incest. Since when was Gantz and Berserk sold to minors? I think it'd be pretty much common sense to keep it away from them, so rather than regulate I'd guess they'd just up it to over 18 content. Seeing as Gantz is sold in a Seinen magazine aimed at older audiences I think that's pretty obvious. Not to mention WSJ and others saying they're going not going to hinder people's works because of the bill. Now you should understand why everyone is mad about this, as it would require any prospective reader to go into an "adult" shop in order to buy it, when most readers will just want to pop into a corner shop on the way to work and buy a copy of Young Animal (where Berserk is published), or maybe go into the local bookstore and buy a volume of Berserk to read, neither of which will be possible under these new laws. Also. because of the fact that magazines publish multiple manga in a single issue, it has a knock-on effect on other manga that are published in the same magazine. Let's use Shounen Jump as an example. As Alexcampos mentioned, To Love Ru would be restricted under these laws. Because To Love Ru publishes in Weekly Shounen Jump, that would mean that the Weekly Shounen Jump magazine and everything inside of it, One Piece and all, would be restricted as well just because To Love Ru publishes there, regardless of whether the other manga pass the law or not, restricting the distribution of those other manga to minors in such a way that they can only be bought them in Tankōbon format. I hope you get the reason for all of the rage now. |
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| So what? Now fans are going to be like "oh dear, I have to go into an adult shop, I'm never ever reading that magazine again"? It may well be less convenient than before but if they're fans I very much doubt it'll put them off, unless they're underage, of course. Actually, why would they even need to be in an adult shop? Surely there can be an adult section in a corner store too, just put it up high with all the porno. I'm not for this bill at all, yeah it's terrible that freedom of speech is being impeded (though again, WSJ and others are going to ignore the bill, from what they've said) but people are overreacting: "zomg gantz and everything with violence is gonna be cancelled!!1!!!111". |
| So this law does not apply for not-anime movies in the cinemas, that's ridiculous! There are so many people who read and watch animes and mangas with these things in it, not in just Japan, but people all around the world. |
BakaKawaii said: I kind of see where you are coming from, but I think it's Japanese (not Tokyo) law that you can't stock adult material in a convenience store.Also, how are they going to promote these manga without the magazines? They need the magazines to judge the popularity of a series. The idea is that a salaryman needs something to read during break time at work, so he buys a manga magazine of his choice before going to work and checks out the series featured in it during break time. If he likes the series in the manga, then he buys it each week to read at work. He then buys volumes of a series he especially likes for home reading. This salaryman can't go into an adult shop because he doesn't have the time to. The shop he buys the magazine from has to be on the way to his workplace. Japan is infamous for its timeliness, so even if he is a minute late, he will be severely reprimanded. Of course, you could buy the magazine on a day off, but it's convenience that is the main draw of manga magazines. If you took away the magazines, how would you know that you are going to like a series enough to splash the cash on a volume of it? As magazines feature more than one series and are probably cheaper than manga volumes, they are a good way of checking out manga, with the possibility of liking something you weren't even that interested in, but happened to publishing in the same magazine as the series you were interested in. |
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| Well if they're selling a seinen magazine in the first place then I'd assume that they'd sell that same magazine afterwards, it really makes no difference. Also, why does the salaryman have to get his magazine before work? Why can't he get it during his lunch or after work? Or even the evening before. He may well be a lucky little fella with an adult store right next to the station. If you're a fan of said magazine, you'll buy it due to routine, no matter the convenience of it. |
Alwerien said: And to Yumekichi....seriously if the parents let their kid watch shows at midnight, the kids then can then watch adult-rated material there just as fine. They can and do. Even on the internet. TV blocking tools are so much more fail than their internet counterparts and even so they fail too if the kid knows how to bypass them. Alwerien said: Don't agree because what you are saying is also the country should be responsible in giving proper attention to its population and that's wrong. It is up to the government to install more Watch Dogs that take care of the health of children. Guess what? They are doing that right now.The country shouldn't be responsible for parents that fail being parents. entropy13 said: I agree those kinds of people do not deserve to be called. Regardless whether the excuse is acceptable or not money has to come in if it does not rent is not going to be paid nor food. Sacrifices have to be done and as such the well being and raising of the child passed a certain age is neglected which is around 8~10 years old IMO. Blame capitalism if anything.What a convenient justification then. Why call them "parents" if they can't even care about their own children? "One who begets, gives birth to, or nurtures and raises a child." Being too busy because of work is no excuse for neglecting their own children. entropy13 said: Sure why not when they are the fools who neglect despite trying to survive with gaining money.So in essence you're condoning neglectful parents as well. "Congratulations." |
Yumekichi11 said: Alwerien said: The country shouldn't be responsible for parents that fail being parents. Don't agree because what you are saying is also the country should be responsible in giving proper attention to its population and that's wrong. It is up to the government to install more Watch Dogs that take care of the health of children. Guess what? They are doing that right now. Like so many other things, having kids is a choice, and like any choice, there are consequences. In my society (and most others I believe) it's the person making the choices that has to take responsibility for them. If one is not ready for kids, don't have kids, the government shouldn't be expected to exempt people from taking responsibility for their actions. Saying "it's okay for the government to decide that kids shouldn't be exposed to sex cause they aren't ready to accept the possible consequences and then turn around and say we'll let you off the hook if that ever happens" seems a like mixed signals. Perhaps the age limit of the ban needs to be raised much further if we have so many parents out there that can't actually take care of their own kids. BakaKawaii said: So what? Now fans are going to be like "oh dear, I have to go into an adult shop, I'm never ever reading that magazine again"? It may well be less convenient than before but if they're fans I very much doubt it'll put them off, unless they're underage, of course. Actually, why would they even need to be in an adult shop? Surely there can be an adult section in a corner store too, just put it up high with all the porno. You seem to be assuming a few things here, one, that none of these publications have EVER made money off of anyone under 18, and that they care more about artistic integrity than they do about profit. The simple fact of the matter is, if they restrict themselves to 18+ sales, many of them will lose half, if not more of their readership. Now, considering these are the same publishers that have been taking heat from angered artists about getting a mere pittance of the amount of money their work actually pulls in, do you really think they're going to let artists do whatever they want and sacrifice this HUGE demographic? No way in hell, the artists are going to be told "get rid of offending material, or get out, we have thousands of other artists desperate to get into our publication" and a lot of them will probably comply. So most manga is probably going to end up either a faded visage of what it used to be, or not available in regular shops OR in 18+ stores. |
FOE-tan said: Yeah, but "A law affecting Tokyo would have similar effects to a nationwide law as the majority of Japan’s anime, manga and game industry is concentrated in Tokyo and would have to comply with it." So unless the company stays out of Japan, they won't be able to release the series they want.Yumekichi11 said: entropy13 said: I am sorry but there are parents who work a lot and some don't care about their child as they should and as a result the possibility of the child being awake is possible. Furthermore there are the internet and recording devices to record those shows anytime. Heck there is even online streaming less there is a smart parental block program installed to stop that sort viewing.Which I don't get. Unless they admit that children are still awake at midnight, then how can it be "harmful" to children that are asleep? Oreimo and Yosuga no Sora are both aired 11:30pm. Motto To LOVE-Ru is aired 2:00am. Is online streaming even affected by this ban? This law only applies to Tokyo, so if the company uploads a streaming version of an anime series from a server in Osaka or some other place outside of Tokyo prefecture's jurisdiction, what can Ishihara and the anti-otaku brigade that passed these laws do about it? |
mikhailn said: I'm quite divided on this matter. On one hand, I'm quite happy that the Bill is going to restrict the really perverse stuff and make it harder for young kids to get hold of. On the other hand, some manga tackle relationship issues really well and if those are cancelled, then the industry is going to suffer why the fuck would it matter if a kid gets a hold of something "perverse"? if the kid seeks it out then he or she wants to see the material. let it be. people really need to get over the whole "sex is dirty" bull shit. |
NaViFa said: hm, i just flipped through the latest posts, and it seems that many pepole doesn't know what tokyo ordinance bill 156 REALLY is about. first of all, it is NOT A BAN! it does not affect material which now already is declarated as adult. read through dan kanemitsu's blog, then most of you know more: [url=http://dankanemitsu.wordpress.com/2010/11/24/bill-156s-total-scope/]http://dankanemitsu.wordpress.com/2010/11/24/bill-156s-total-scope/ a short overview of the ordinance 156 (copy/pasted from dan kanemitsu): Having said that yourself, have you read the link to the list of non-marriageable relationships? Wherein the author notes that, given that the government can already decide what's harmful to children based on content, this new bill gives them the right to expand to thematic content as well. While I can't speak to the validity of the author's claims, I do think the author is in a position to better interpret how the law could be applied, as a resident of Japan. Also, even if it's not an official ban, in a country where face is so incredibly important, with multiple levels of respect speech and importance placed on authority, do you really think public humiliation is that much better than a ban? I'm not trying to be condescending, I'm seriously asking this. |
Yumekichi11 said: Gunther_ said: That was not the point but more to see how USA politics might get involved in this. I remind you that USA presidents for some time wanted also the loli stuff from Japanese anime out. One example of this is the attempt to take in Kodomo no Jikan by a USA manga publisher only to have it banned instantly. I honestly have know idea how you drew that conclusion. Anyhow, this isn't the thread to be discussing American politics. entropy13 said: I am sorry but there are parents who work a lot and some don't care about their child as they should and as a result the possibility of the child being awake is possible. Furthermore there are the internet and recording devices to record those shows anytime. Heck there is even online streaming less there is a smart parental block program installed to stop that sort viewing.Which I don't get. Unless they admit that children are still awake at midnight, then how can it be "harmful" to children that are asleep? Oreimo and Yosuga no Sora are both aired 11:30pm. Motto To LOVE-Ru is aired 2:00am. Thillygooth said: Thillygooth said: You are about as crazy and ignorant as they come, holy hell. If you're going to make up bullshit conspiracy theories, at least learn how to communicate. Maybe you think everyone is out to get you because you can't even understand clear and concise conversations. Excuse me but you don't know who I am! I am student in politics and am smart enough to say you failed to notice how much of a conspiracy this all may be. I don't know it but I smell it and I sense it. You also fail at noticing that there is a deal going on with all this and that some compromises will come from the world. Perhaps in forms of help and money. I may be crazy and ignorant but I am not stupid in regards to seeing beyond the scope of why this going on and not OMG they are banning shit and I am raging. I can calmly assess shit and this shit is something they are doing to get more development going on and to fortify their defense. Thillygooth said: Once you fail to understand me since you don't know me therefore you are assuming at most. As such I refuse your recommendations.For once, I'm going to recommend you stop watching so much anime. Go outside, go to school, anything at all. Again, you're completely insane. You need to grow up already. Go out and get a girlfriend, release some of that pent up angst. 32, a virgin, and completely engrossed in nothing but anime and paranoia? Japan is instating these laws to prevent their people from becoming like you. It's really too bad the rest of us get caught in the crossfire. Bolding words doesn't suddenly make them true, by the way. And claiming to be a student of politics while being blatantly ignorant isn't very convincing. I can pretend too, watch this: I'm an astronaut! |
Yumekichi11 said: ... It is up to the government to install more Watch Dogs that take care of the health of children. ... This line of thinking scares me. Yumekichi11 said: Regardless whether the excuse is acceptable or not money has to come in if it does not rent is not going to be paid nor food. Sacrifices have to be done and as such the well being and raising of the child passed a certain age is neglected which is around 8~10 years old IMO. Blame capitalism if anything. I'm not saying capitalism is necessarily the best option, but I think poorly implemented alternatives aren't much better. From each according to their ability, to each according to their need? Wouldn't this inspire some families to have more children and then neglect the ones they don't care about? In situations in which you have a disincentive to have more children when its beyond your earning capability, it seems the children would be better cared for, despite it being harder to make ends meet at times. I won't go further than that, since that would make this a political post. Rather, I'll leave it at having addressed the "capitalism is the cause of neglected children" interpretation of your remark. Yumekichi11 said: entropy13 said: Sure why not when they are the fools who neglect despite trying to survive with gaining money.So in essence you're condoning neglectful parents as well. "Congratulations." If you claim we need more watchdogs, then you would seem to agree with the idea that media has a powerful influencing effect on children. If you do agree with that, then it seems reasonable to believe that you also think it is not necessary to have a constant presence in order to exert influence upon somebody. Having said that, if an authority figure, say ones parents, took the children aside and said: "hey, a lot of different people, a lot of different shows, are going to tell you or show you things that really aren't okay in real life ***et cetera on how to deal with this and make your own judgments***," wouldn't it be possible that this would exert some influence on the children, as well? You don't have to be there constantly, you just have to make sure to guide them in the right direction. At least, that's what I'd like to believe. Not having children, and not being able to cite any studies which have tried this, I can't speak to how true this is in application. In any event, I think centuries at failed attempts at censorship and prohibition type laws and the continued existence and prevalence of sex, violence, and drugs in society can speak against such things having much positive effect, or even their intended effects. Edit: Re: Double post: I was going to edit my original post to include this, but it hasn't shown up for me. |
| This is total bullshit. Fuck censorship and fuck the moralfags that infiltrated Japan. |
| Clannad has to get banned! Just look at how hardcore this scene is and how much this would traumatize our children! It has to get an 18+ rating because it's obviously porn! |
| I know everything should have its creativity and intellectual right (be it ecchi, perverted etc.) but there should be a standard of how horrible they can be. While ecchi shows were always fun to watch, in recent years, they became an art of panty flashes, boeings and naked bath scenes/ onsens without any decent plot or anything. While I am certain that this will take major toll in anime/maga industry, if it is really forced and thereby brings more anime like Daa! Daa! Daa! and less anime like Seikon no Qwaser (preferably not a single one at all), then be it. Honestly. Over the last four or five years, anime quality hit significant lows and we had to put up with shits like Queen's Blade as we wait forever for another anime like Berserk. |
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Project_MkUltra said: Clannad has to get banned! ... (<joke*: note added for quote taking out of context) Ugh, I wouldn't be surprised. Even if they're not quite that liberal in application, I don't see the Air movie adaptation surviving this. Any classic dating sim w/out eroge elements is probably AO, too, since bishojo tend to be *ahem* a bit younger than their older cousins, which would include the Clannad anime's source material. Edit: Ah, also, which episode is that from? I remember the (opening) hill scene, and I remember a flashback, but I don't remember him ever grabbing her hands in them... shanimebib said: ... we had to put up with shits like Queen's Blade as we wait forever for another anime like Berserk. I realize others have said it already, but from what I've read on TVtropes and other places, an anime like Berserk is almost definitely a no-no under these new rules. Of course, not having seen it (yet), I could just be reading a bit much into what I read. Also, in a similar vein to Neil Gaiman's post, even if you don't like those shows, shows you *do* like are just as affected by it. Of course, depending on how they implement it, they might cherry pick things they don't care about that might otherwise be affected, so maybe you'll get lucky. But I don't think you'll get "keeping Berserk" lucky. |
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| I kind of have this funny feeling that the bill is aimed more at teenagers rather than, as everybody else is saying, at children. I dunno..its just this funny feeling. |
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ph4zr said: shanimebib said: ... we had to put up with shits like Queen's Blade as we wait forever for another anime like Berserk. I realize others have said it already, but from what I've read on TVtropes and other places, an anime like Berserk is almost definitely a no-no under these new rules. Of course, not having seen it (yet), I could just be reading a bit much into what I read. It was meant to be a general level of comparison. Berserk is 17+ show with nudity/sex scenes and all, what I tried to imply is that, regardless, it was a great show. and how many ecchi/harem craps we are seeing recently, I am sure if you try to name few of them, you'll lose track of them, since there are so many. Since anime like Berserk are not there anymore, we are better off without plot-less shits like SnQ or QB or anything around those shows. Kirino-phan said: Detroit Metal City - Banned for language and sexual references Death Note - Banned for killing and violence Durarara!! - Banned if Ishihara gets news of its massive yaoi fanbase (Which is freaking obvious) Bakemonogatari - Banned for sexual references I don't think the level of ban will be to that extent. people exaggerate stuff and make it sound like its 2012 already. If that would be the case, the first anime to be banned for covering everything you just mentioned will be Gintama. Do you seriously think they can ban that show? which will start 2 months before the law is supposedly to be enforced? Anyways, lets see what happens when it is implemented and how long it actually lasts. Three of the four shows you referred not only flourished in Japan only, remember that. When it will hit their already shaky economy (losing the market to China in almost everything), and a major part of their workforce (a huge number of people directly and indirectly involved in manga and anime industry) along with a part of their culture, which is manga/anime, this law will be more lenient than what everyone is thinking it would be. Shows like Yogusa no Sora should never air in the first place anyways. That should be it. Edit: minor spelling correction. lol, i hit new low by typing low in case of law :D |
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| I just read this, http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2010/12/15/tokyo-manga-ban-signed-into-law/ very frustrating, I just hope that anime like the next Evangelion Rebuild project wont get canceled, man... the dark age of animes has arrived... (T_T) |
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entropy13 said: Interestig how porn is the one thing this doesn't go after even though we all know teens will get their hands on porn, hentai and eroge even if it is technically illegal for them to get them. This just affects the regular shows which will have to limit themselves further.Congratulations Japan for restricting three of five things foreigners want from Japan, anime, manga and games. The fourth one is a sexual partner, the fifth is porn. |
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Thillygooth said: I don't see sex as being normal at all. I like seeing it but not practicing it therefore I need no girl nor anything to do with them. Paranoia is fun for the brain depending who rules your brain. Japan is making that ban so that other countries see they can change and come to their cause. It's obvious the ban is there for that among other reasons and obvious you missed out the USA/Japan trust that is just a mask of its reality. Thillygooth said: Making words bold is just to stress out their importance which you failed to think about. If I have to send you my college ID of which I don't trust the internet about it, I would.Making words bold does not suddenly make them true, by the way. And claiming to be a student of politics while being blatantly ignorant isn't very convincing. I can pretend too, watch this: I'm an astronaut! ph4zr said: Not if the government is responsible enough and not abusive.Yumekichi11 said: This line of thinking scares me.... It is up to the government to install more Watch Dogs that take care of the health of children. ... Yumekichi11 said: Regardless whether the excuse is acceptable or not money has to come in if it does not rent is not going to be paid nor food. Sacrifices have to be done and as such the well being and raising of the child passed a certain age is neglected which is around 8~10 years old IMO. Blame capitalism if anything. ph4zr said: I would agree with you in regards to China and how they treat females but I think alternatives are better depending how they are though of. Poorly implemented ones are obviously not well though of and certainly not well funded. Goes back to anime being a maor failure of proeper control of what is in it. Now perhaps that control will be good since there is a office that will hace control over the contetn as much as porn having mosaics implemented in it by a office.I'm not saying capitalism is necessarily the best option, but I think poorly implemented alternatives aren't much better. From each according to their ability, to each according to their need? Wouldn't this inspire some families to have more children and then neglect the ones they don't care about? Yumekichi11 said: entropy13 said: Sure why not when they are the fools who neglect despite trying to survive with gaining money.So in essence you're condoning neglectful parents as well. "Congratulations." ph4zr said: If you claim we need more watchdogs, then you would seem to agree with the idea that media has a powerful influencing effect on children. If you do agree with that, then it seems reasonable to believe that you also think it is not necessary to have a constant presence in order to exert influence upon somebody. ph4zr said: Let me tell you one thing, children mentality is not mature enough nor judgmental enough to decide which shows to watch as much as masturbation is addicting and the kid cannot stop. Once kids are hooked on ecchi, it's hard to stop their pervasion side and view of women for what they are.Having said that, if an authority figure, say ones parents, took the children aside and said: "hey, a lot of different people, a lot of different shows, are going to tell you or show you things that really aren't okay in real life ***et cetera on how to deal with this and make your own judgments***," wouldn't it be possible that this would exert some influence on the children, as well? You don't have to be there constantly, you just have to make sure to guide them in the right direction. At least, that's what I'd like to believe. Not having children, and not being able to cite any studies which have tried this, I can't speak to how true this is in application. ph4zr said: As much as I agree with you the point of it is to have had any of those things. Unfortunately it's going to be harder to stop them than having them started.In any event, I think centuries at failed attempts at censorship and prohibition type laws and the continued existence and prevalence of sex, violence, and drugs in society can speak against such things having much positive effect, or even their intended effects. |
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| A dark age cometh... the final boss has taken over the world, sendin the protagonists into hiding in the new empire of 3v1l. BLACK REBELLION! Seriously, wouldn't it be nice if mangaka created the image of Zero, and challenging the bill that way? Hau~, probably just daydreaming. |
Roloko said: Well there goes the Gundam and Code Geass franchise and the death of Sunrise. On another note I think we should all calm down until they actually start banning stuff then let us get the pitchforks and torches. NUUUUU Paw_ said: A dark age cometh... the final boss has taken over the world, sendin the protagonists into hiding in the new empire of 3v1l. BLACK REBELLION! Seriously, wouldn't it be nice if mangaka created the image of Zero, and challenging the bill that way? Hau~, probably just daydreaming. HELLS YEAH |
| well.....shit i hope i have enough backloged ecchi to watch till this bill gets seen as the shitty piece of shit that it is and gets taken out. |
| The dictator we call the governor of Tokyo has won, such evil and disrespect for the economy of his nation. Paw_ said: A dark age cometh... the final boss has taken over the world, sendin the protagonists into hiding in the new empire of 3v1l. BLACK REBELLION! More like the optional God Boss has taken over the world. |
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| Naruto would be banned because minors are used as "soldiers"!!! lol |
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shanimebib said: I don't think the level of ban will be to that extent. people exaggerate stuff and make it sound like its 2012 already. ... Shows like Yogusa no Sora should never air in the first place anyways. That should be it. Thumbs up to this. |
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| This news is disheartening to say the least. Sad day for the industry, even if it had it coming. Hopefully, we'll see a major backlash to this bill that'll either mean its quick death, or we'll be seeing some major changes to the industry. |
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ariapokoteng said: shanimebib said: I don't think the level of ban will be to that extent. people exaggerate stuff and make it sound like its 2012 already. ... Shows like Yogusa no Sora should never air in the first place anyways. That should be it. Thumbs up to this. If the PM actually made this law, the panic would be down significantly since he's understanding and wouldn't mind negotiating a creative solution or two to keep both anime fans and the politicians happy. However, this is the work of Ishihara, a great evil and racist that's a mix of Phelps and Hitler and has no regard for anyone in the industry or fans, he only wants to be in office for life and he is willing to destroy anything including Japan to do so. |
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| I'm pretty sure most people who are into ecchi are 17+ anyway. That said, watching ecchi is probably pretty similar to watching porn in japan, so people may still buy it in the mature section (Which is where it probably SHOULD be anyway...) So i can't really see this killing off ecchi altogether. |
Hoppy said: If the PM actually made this law, the panic would be down significantly since he's understanding and wouldn't mind negotiating a creative solution or two to keep both anime fans and the politicians happy. However, this is the work of Ishihara, a great evil and racist that's a mix of Phelps and Hitler and has no regard for anyone in the industry or fans, he only wants to be in office for life and he is willing to destroy anything including Japan to do so. Well, it's not up to me to decide what kind of person he is. Putting aside that I'm not japanese and my opinion doesn't decide anything. And I'd like to take an optimistic view on what's gonna happen next.If the law isn't gonna work good - then the people will do something, I guess. If it's gonna work fine - then so be it. And even in the worst-of-the-worst-case scenario there's still lots of Anime that was already produced for the last half of the century (not to mention manga, VN, Ranobe and stuff), so I'm pretty sure that my whole life won't be enough to take a look at all of them. |
| Sorry for grammar mistakes(if any), english is not my native language. Feel free to correct me if you see some. |
ariapokoteng said: shanimebib said: I don't think the level of ban will be to that extent. people exaggerate stuff and make it sound like its 2012 already. ... Shows like Yogusa no Sora should never air in the first place anyways. That should be it. Thumbs up to this. So you support censorship also? |
| I support mass weeaboo hysteria. |
| aww,,this is totally awful ... even though im faraway from japan,, its just too hard T,T |
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| After going through Bill 156's Total Scope that is essentially the translation of the major points of the actual bill, it seems it is indeed what I assumed it would be. Here are some quotations from the infamous Bill 156: Bill 156's Total Scope said: “Any manga, animation, or pictures (but not including real life pictures or footage) that features either sexual or pseudo sexual acts that would be illegal in real life, or sexual or pseudo sexual acts between close relatives whose marriage would be illegal*, where such depictions and / or presentations unjustifiably glorify or exaggerate the activity.” No matter how you look at it, this easily gives the idea that the bill was made explicitly to put an end to recent anime/manga adaptations that show a possible relationship/ romance development between siblings/ half-siblings. As much as many of us find pleasure in forbidden things, or reasons to justify why things like that shouldn't be allowed in a healthy society, you cannot overlook the fact that it might have detrimental affect on youth. Encouraging something that wouldn't be otherwise accepted by the society might lead to crime, mental breakdown, and even suicidal acts. Just like I said, stuff like Yogusa no Sora. Also rejoice Manami and Kuroneko fans since after seeing this being implemented, Aniki ending with Kirino is history. Bill 156's Total Scope said: “Any sexually arousing posing on the behalf of children under the age of 13 wholly or partially naked, or wearing swimwear or only underwear, published in books or featured in film, must take into account of how the child’s mind and body may be harmed by becoming the object of sexual desire, and therefore parental guardians must exercise parental responsibilities to prevent and educate minors from becoming featured in such work or child pornography.” No. They are not getting banned. More like the authority is actually making the parents/guardians responsible for the minors. This also means like someone referred to in one of the previous posts, Nadeko was 14. Most of the characters in anime are aged from 14-17. So regardless of them wearing swimsuit, bloomers are out of the scope. And even if they are, the bill urges parents to take responsibility. There is not a single reference to Banning the substance at all. But the most interesting thing will be how you implement the following: Bill 156's Total Scope said: Tokyo’s definition of how it deems publicly available material as harmful to minors will be changed. - Previously, “Any material that may be detrimental toward the healthy development of youth because of their capacity to be sexually stimulating, encourages cruelty, and/or may compel suicide or criminal behavior.” was the criteria. - Now the criteria will be expanded to include: “Any manga, animation, or pictures (but not including real life pictures or footage) that features either sexual or pseudo sexual acts that would be illegal in real life, or sexual or pseudo sexual acts between close relatives whose marriage would be illegal*, where such depictions and / or presentations unjustifiably glorify or exaggerate the activity.” - Any material that is excessively breaches this standard can be deemed to be “harmful material” by the Tokyo Metropolitan Government unilaterally and thereby restrict their circulation from all minors (0-17 of age). Now this is what is interesting. Does that mean it covers the scope of Yagami Light killing people with his Death Note, or Sakata Gintoki taking on 10 thugs with his wooden sword, or Ayasaki Hayate jumping from his bicycle on rooftop of a runaway car to rescue Ojou-sama, or Lelouch Lamperouge commanding a group of Britannian soldiers to 'die' with his Geass, or Heiwajima Shizuo using a vending machine to settle scores with Orihara Izaya? I seriously don't think so. They were already under the previous criteria anyways. Since those by no means are real, and I seriously don't see them having an adverse impression on youth by any means. Unless, I am proved wrong and the authority is actually planning to obliterate the whole anime/manga culture picking up on everything out there, I mean absolutely everything (under the scope that I mentioned, with the examples of anime), only then I will find reasons to hate the bill. For now, I have no worries, and like ariapokoteng said, there are enough material out there you can save your life from. so grab them from www and wait until midway 2011 to see how it works. For me though, I have so far nothing against it as long as it doesn't exaggerate. Never was a Kiss x Sis fan and despised anything like Yogusa no Sora anyways. Nb: the above comments as always, are my personal opinion and nothing more. you can criticize/ breakdown with arguments/ give logical reason to back them or nullify them. I will simply appreciate no random bashing for someone else's personal opinion in this issue which involve something that we all love. Anime and Manga. Edited: quoted as Bill 156 for my sanity. |
shanimebibDec 15, 2010 11:20 AM
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Drunk_Samurai said: So you support censorship also? I'm not 100% pro, but yes. I think it's better to be this way. shanimebib said: Here are some quotations from the infamous Bill 156: Now that's the best news so far. Thank you very much. |
ariapokotengDec 15, 2010 10:26 AM
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