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Dec 9, 2010 11:53 AM
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Oh... I was starting to like Julie.

Anyways, I never expected for Daemon Spade to suddenly appear. I just don't get why he wants Mukuro's body. Tsuna's would be far better, since he's the boss.
Well, it's getting more and more interesting. Let's see how this goes :)
Dec 9, 2010 11:57 AM
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Ok weird. I'm losing interest in this manga, so I hope my opinion is changed by the end of this arc. Otherwise I might drop it
Dec 9, 2010 12:08 PM
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When Julie said he was behind all of it , I wasn't even a bit surprised . His attitude the past few chapters was more than just a hint that he had played a big role in everything that was happening . When Daemon came ... now that WAS a surprise . I was trying to think who could want Mukuro and ofc he never crossed my mind seeing he existed 10 generations ago >_> Now why he wants him , I'm not sure though I have a few ideas .

But tbh , I find the manga getting actually worse . Enma's behavior isn't how a normal person would react (at first he was willing to trust Tsuna if he went to "save" him back then but now he can't forgive the fact that he's alive so he has to die cause of his dead family ... sure ok) , and this with Daemon reminds me that filler in the anime when mind controlled Chrome there too . It's one thing to make anime out of manga but to make manga off a filler (even if the goals are different) is kinda mehh to me .

I just think the main story is getting kinda ridiculous but other than that , I like it xD I guess it's till I get used to it .
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Dec 9, 2010 12:27 PM
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So Daemon Spade was behind all this. As expected...
Dec 9, 2010 12:39 PM
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before this i didn't found this chapter so i made one....but when i posted its already exist......could somebody tell me how to delete my discussion about this chapter??
lets put that aside! daemon spade still exists?? i thought he's an old man but he still looks young!! this is gonna be interesting
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Dec 9, 2010 12:58 PM
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Traveller said:
So Daemon Spade was behind all this. As expected...
Yeah, his shadow even appeared before Chrome once.

Person who knows Vongola the best, and also when he mentioned Primo in this chapter.

At first I thought it was Byakuran because he and Julie have the similar smile.

Anyway, I believe Daemon's goal is to make Vongola stronger by using terror.

I'd say this arc with Shimon is just kinda like training part, and the next main arc will be in Vindice prison.

Mukuro will most likely becom full-time Mist Guardian after Tsuna and others rescue him.
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This is gettin' good
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hmm maybe he died or should i say his body died and till now he was living in different bodies like a parasite (well he was a damn good illusionist so maybe for him something like that was possible?) and now wants mukuros body because it is a perfect replacement for his old one (or is a 'reincanate' and thats why he could overtake it?? i mean till now i didn't know that he also had these eye-attacks).. well thats my idea of how things could have turned out like THAT .. maybe riddicolous but not as much as their explanation could be ^^
but the thing i don't understand is why he is doing this NOW ... i mean he had a looooot of time ->9 generations to do that ... why ever .. or was he waiting for the perfect chance.. don't now .. i 'll know when the chapters are out =P


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Dec 9, 2010 1:46 PM
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LOL *sigh*, stupid.
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If Daemon is behind this fight, it makes me think that he was the one responsible for Cozart being betrayed, and the death of Enma's family.
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Well i'm a little disappointed that Amano took the surprise factor away for me. It was pretty obvious that Daemon Spade is behind all of this since Chrome saw his boots and thought she saw Mukuro.
Now about this chapter, many questions answered but new ones unanswered like how is Daemon still alive and young, why do he need Mukuro's body, why did he planed the confrontation between Vongola and Shimon and how will he benefit from all of this.
I'll try to answer some of them. Well he could have used vessels just like Mukuro.
I think Mukuro is his descendant and he's the only one who could become a vessel for Daemon. I think he planed this confrontation and hoped for Vongola to be destroyed so he could become the leader of Vongola and make a stronger, ruthless Vongola.
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Maffy said:
When Julie said he was behind all of it , I wasn't even a bit surprised . His attitude the past few chapters was more than just a hint that he had played a big role in everything that was happening . When Daemon came ... now that WAS a surprise . I was trying to think who could want Mukuro and ofc he never crossed my mind seeing he existed 10 generations ago >_> Now why he wants him , I'm not sure though I have a few ideas .

But tbh , I find the manga getting actually worse . Enma's behavior isn't how a normal person would react (at first he was willing to trust Tsuna if he went to "save" him back then but now he can't forgive the fact that he's alive so he has to die cause of his dead family ... sure ok) , and this with Daemon reminds me that filler in the anime when mind controlled Chrome there too . It's one thing to make anime out of manga but to make manga off a filler (even if the goals are different) is kinda mehh to me .

I just think the main story is getting kinda ridiculous but other than that , I like it xD I guess it's till I get used to it .


Allow me to clear up Enmas behavior for you :)
The reason why Enma acted differently in the situations you mention, first wanting to trust him, then hating him is because At the start of the arc, Enma didnt know that Lemitsu "killed"( if he even did, seeing Daemon is behind everything) his family. He also didnt know that Lemitsu was Tsuna's father. If you take a look at chapter 314 at around page 4 to 6, "Julie" tells Enma about Lemitsu, his organization, and also that he is Tsuna's Father. That is the reason why Enma changes.

Hope I clarifed this for you. Lol, i actually made an account just to answer to this post. :)
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Traveller said:
So Daemon Spade was behind all this. As expected...
Yeah, his shadow even appeared before Chrome once.

Person who knows Vongola the best, and also when he mentioned Primo in this chapter.

At first I thought it was Byakuran because he and Julie have the similar smile.

Anyway, I believe Daemon's goal is to make Vongola stronger by using terror.

I'd say this arc with Shimon is just kinda like training part, and the next main arc will be in Vindice prison.

Mukuro will most likely becom full-time Mist Guardian after Tsuna and others rescue him.


ahh the next arc being in Vindice. I actually agree with you. One thing about manga's like these is the good guys always win, i mean that much is obvious. So after the take care of things here, Tsuna is gonna invade vindice to get Ryohei out. I would not be surprised if you were right
Dec 9, 2010 3:47 PM
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Damn you Julie/Daemon/reincarnation/parasite thingy!

I love Chrome!!!!~~~~

Yea grr how dare he treat Chrome like that!
hmm but that was a different eye attack i guess its his own version or something...

So if enma is still powering up hell be even stonger next time? i mena it was an even fight this time ah but tsuna didnt really use his vongola gear unless thats all there is to it.. hmm...

Too bad Chrome doesnt have her ring or she could make her own organs... =[...

well til next week i hope Chrome gets more screen time from now on!!!!~~~~
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so Tsuna is going to fight Adelheid next? When was the last time he fought a girl cause I don't think he ever did
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-Even though it was hinted so obviously that Daemon was Julie...I still can't believe it lol.

-The question is...how the hell is Daemon Spade still here? The fact that he lived during Primo's time made me disbelieve that Julie could be Daemon Spade. Maybe he has a similar ability (to Mukuro's) on taking control of people's bodies....which leads to this:
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I'll try to answer some of them. Well he could have used vessels just like Mukuro.
I think Mukuro is his descendant and he's the only one who could become a vessel for Daemon. I think he planed this confrontation and hoped for Vongola to be destroyed so he could become the leader of Vongola and make a stronger, ruthless Vongola.

My reaction towards the bolded part: If that actually happens, I would be like "HOLY CRAP". That would be an interesting twist (for one of my top male anime characters of all time)...and I would love to see how Mukuro would react to this (since he does seem to hate the mafia still).

-I also have this freaky, random thought. Remember Byakuran's sudden appearance (how it was totally random and out of nowhere)? What if Daemon also disguised himself as Byakuran? But then again, it probably doesn't make sense because unless Daemon has some sort of instant teleportation ability, there's no way he could have gone back and forth disguising himself as Byakuran and then Julie. Also...what would Daemon use Takeshi for anyways? *shrugs*

-Anyways, I haven't been this excited for Reborn since...a long while. Hoping for unexpected, but great (it can't be nonsensical and weird) twists to happen =0

-And I haven't seen Mukuro's face in the manga for so long <3333
Dec 9, 2010 5:24 PM

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Oh and I forgot to add. I thought Chrome knew that Mukuro used his illusions to create her replaced organs. Never knew that she never knew hmm o.O
Dec 9, 2010 6:18 PM

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I'm reading this manga for the plot.
*sarcasm*

Wth just happened, this is stupid.
Dec 9, 2010 7:28 PM

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Not impressed with the twists. Lame and lacks impact.
Dec 9, 2010 8:09 PM

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Julie is one hell of an annoying bastard. Chrome too, I mean c'mon at least put up a fight or kick his balls or something.
Dec 9, 2010 8:46 PM

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Ok, wasn't expecting Daemon at all.
was expecting Mukuro but then >_>
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Lame and lacks impact.

Agreed.
Dec 9, 2010 9:32 PM
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Everything as been lacking impact for a long time, this sucks, I like the people in this manga, just not the plot
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Dec 9, 2010 11:59 PM

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They've always said that Daemon Spade had betrayed the Vongole, just never said anything further about it. It's getting quite interesting.
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Dec 10, 2010 12:20 AM

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well......the plot seems fine by me. i think its not that lame or lack impact or anything.....in fact, i think its more surprising and interesting XD
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Dec 10, 2010 12:22 AM
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some we're obvious the way i saw it

but my prediction of why he wants Mukuro's body instead of Tsuna's is Tsuna's body holds no physical value, where as Mukuro's body has been trained to go through all Six Paths to Hades and that right eye of his. It would give Daemon a significant increase in his arsenal of powers and abilities in overthrowing and monopolizing the Mafia.
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Wait,wait what ._.

This is like when Byakuran suddenly appeared for a panel.Godammit, this is either going to becomre really interesting and awesome or stupid as hell.
Dec 10, 2010 1:11 AM
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Lame Twist

Daemon = Madara
Enma = Sasuke

the only thing which is keeping me interested in this series is that Dame no Tsuna isn't Naruto :P
Dec 10, 2010 1:14 AM

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I love Reborn! for all the wrong reason. Why would he ever disguise himself as Julie when he is that ~fabulous~ looking. Look at that belt, look at coat. *_____*

Anyway, not too surprising that he's actually Daemon Spade, but right now his motivation is incredibly unclear. Also, how has he not aged? :|

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Dec 10, 2010 2:15 AM
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I actually misinterpret Daemon's "I'll punish you" and "I'll make you mine" phrases he said to Chrome... You know, that type of misunderstanding. I guess Mukuro will be out of Vendicare sooner or later. And how ironic - 2 pineapples both wanting/needing a young pineapple.
Dec 10, 2010 4:07 AM

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so Daemon Spade is the traitor and i hope hibari comes back soon all the fights so far are boring.
Dec 10, 2010 4:55 AM
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Oh... I was starting to like Julie

Heh, me too ^^

But, right now I'm a little confused - I'm not sure at all if this is real Daemon Spade, or maybe Julie is joking around and he change his form. Or maybe somebody else.
It's just too unbelievable for me :/

BTW, I wonder when Byakuran will appear? Or maybe Daemon is somehow connected with Byakuran?

No idea what's going on ^^'
Dec 10, 2010 7:17 AM
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Woah! I never expected that madara Deamon spade would be behind this! Seriously! Besides, I never liked enma. Lol at tsuna's brain-deadness.
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Woow epic, never thought the first mist guardian would appear.



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Did you noticed? This is a ploy of the author to keep Chrome from doing anything. Why? For only one reason... Chrome is not a bishounen.
It's the same thing with all other female characters.
I never thought that the most sexist manga i'd see would be created by a woman.
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in a way. i guess you could say Daemon Spade is Madara since he was an original member that betrayed the family and is now back generations later with plans with plans to rule. But i see Mukuro as Sasuke instead of Enma more. Seeing that maybe Daemon (madara) wants Mukuro's (sasuke's) eye techniques? lol
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right but in a way Tsuna doesn't give a crap about Mukuro :D
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Man, what the hell just happened?

Julie was Daemon all along? Lame. <:
Don't know how that twist surprised me though since I had a feeling that Julie was somehow connected to Daemon in that chapter where it showed Daemon's silhouette.

Maaaan, here I thought he was gonna be a new bad guy that wanted to fulfill the things that the first Vongola Mist Guardian had planned. Ah well.
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Things are getting more interesting.






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Somehow I just knew that Daemon spade/ Julie was behide this
I mean come on the way Julie was acting in the past couple chapters gave it away,also cause of daemon spade betraying primo so this might have something to do with it,other than that this is getting interesting
Dec 10, 2010 4:56 PM

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BTW, I wonder when Byakuran will appear? Or maybe Daemon is somehow connected with Byakuran?


That's what I've been wondering about.

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Did you noticed? This is a ploy of the author to keep Chrome from doing anything. Why? For only one reason... Chrome is not a bishounen.
It's the same thing with all other female characters.
I never thought that the most sexist manga i'd see would be created by a woman.

This made me lol esp. the bolded part. But yeah..the author needs to toughen up Chrome (at least a little..) =/
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Julie is one hell of an annoying bastard. Chrome too, I mean c'mon at least put up a fight or kick his balls or something.


True that.
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belatkuro said:
Lame and lacks impact.

Yup!
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But, right now I'm a little confused - I'm not sure at all if this is real Daemon Spade, or maybe Julie is joking around and he change his form. Or maybe somebody else.
It's just too unbelievable for me :/

BTW, I wonder when Byakuran will appear? Or maybe Daemon is somehow connected with Byakuran?

No idea what's going on ^^'


Just my thoughts I don't want it to be Daemon Spade -.-'

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Julie is one hell of an annoying bastard. Chrome too, I mean c'mon at least put up a fight or kick his balls or something.


Yeah I really like Chrome, but It will be better If she do sth -.-'
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What a weird chapter.................Enma almost KILLED Tsuna, but stopped cause of body problems.....................(WOw that sounded weird), Second Daemon Spade is actually Julie.............he made chromes organs.........he made a speech,............................then possed Chrome..................
SUPER WEIRD!~!!!
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If Daemon is behind this fight, it makes me think that he was the one responsible for Cozart being betrayed, and the death of Enma's family.

I agree with this... which means this battle is just a useless as I thought it was in the beginning too.
Daemon Spade probably said something before about making Vongola stronger with fear, maybe he's trying that out... or he's seriously holding a grudge or something >.>
I'm not too sure why he want Mukuro's body...
But if Daemon Spade is behind all this, then why was Byakuran here a few chapters back?!I want to see Byakuran again XD

:O oh, & I hope Tsuna snaps out of his trance, he really got me kinda worried~
Dec 12, 2010 7:51 AM

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While it was obvious Julie had a hidden agenda I didn't see this coming at all. Very nice twist.
Dec 12, 2010 8:35 AM

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Okay, Daemon was a surprise.

And Chrome, I am disappoint :I


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Wow Chrome is such a weakling, (No effience to CHrome fans), She just got possed by Daemon and she didn't even fight back!
Dec 13, 2010 3:24 AM

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Can someone seriously tell me how Daemon is still alive? He was one of the First Guardians?! How is he alive?!?!? This is just getting stupid. Is the author just getting bored and decides on adding random twists and waking up people from the dead? Because thats what it feels like. Why do all the characters in this manga seem like they live forever??! People get blown up, stabbed, set on fire and are still alive.
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Can someone seriously tell me how Daemon is still alive? He was one of the First Guardians?! How is he alive?!?!? This is just getting stupid. Is the author just getting bored and decides on adding random twists and waking up people from the dead? Because thats what it feels like. Why do all the characters in this manga seem like they live forever??! People get blown up, stabbed, set on fire and are still alive.


As much as I love unexpected twists, I hope it's not like that. I'm hoping the author will make the twists so that it actually make sense and will come together somehow in the end.

Someone earlier made a prediction that Daemon might have some sort of ability (similiar to Mukuro's) where he can transport his soul/consciousness to another person's body or something..

All I know is that...I don't want Daemon's or Byakuran's appearances to be revealed as completely random and nonsensical to the plot.
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