So, does anyone hate Kirino?
| Sometimes i like her, sometimes i dislike her. I like her because i can relate to her. But i dislike her because i'm not a fan of tsundere characters. |
| She was ignored all these years by her brother so of course her attitude with him is to be expected |
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| Just finished episode 9, and I must admit that Kirino is a bit irritating to me. I'm not sure how she'll turn out in the final episodes, but I don't think she's gonna be on the list of favorite Tsundere characters. Kuroneko on the other hand.... |
| Her character development seriously lost its way after the incident with her Father resolved. At this point, she's just being really selfish and ungrateful; I had hopes that she would have shown developments in her character but at this point it's almost as if we're watching the Kirino's character as it was right from the beginning. |
Will I fall in love someday? I wonder? |
| Kirino is easily one of the worst characters in anime history. It really just boils down to a few things. Character development. She exhibits practically none. Right from introduction, we know she is a flawed protagonist who has anime obsessions and resentment towards her brother. For unexplainable reasons, she fails to demonstrate any change in attitude towards people around her who impact her life. Likability. If there was ever a way to make a character deliberately unlikable, Kirino epitomizes this. She does stupidly irrational things, her undesirable behaviors are essentially reinforced by the other characters, and the aforementioned lack of development in spite of the people who impact her life is simply appalling. Especially for a character who is supposed to be the heroine of a slice of life, this is unjustifiable. These are qualities you would consider only for a villain or anti-heroic role, and even then the level of irrationality Kirino's character exhibits is really pushing it for other kinds of roles. Kirino-phan said: Firstoff, why is this even a problem in the first place? The best explanation for Kirino's overall attitude is that Kirino is an overemotional hormonal teenage girl, and even that is hardly a really consistent explanation. There is nothing unusual about having little interaction with certain family members, and that alone isn't a reason for Kirino's extremely irrational resentment. And if she truly had any plans to improve her relationship with her brother in the first place, she definitely wouldn't be nearly as irrational, insensitive, and flat out obstinate.Honestly, can't you guys see that Kirino is quite pitiful? I mean, most of her life was probably filled with sadness due to Kyousuke ignoring her, this sadness eventually lead to the 2 siblings ignoring each other. And now that Kyousuke is finally starting to show concern on her, do you really think she let go of what happened in the past few years and become the generic, cute and loving Imouto? Do you think its possible for her to show a huge change of heart when she has been scarred by Kyousuke ignoring her for so long? Oh and, think about it: From barely talking to each other to asking Kyousuke out on a Christmas Date on the pretext of getting materials. How can you not call that an improvement in their relationship? I don't see a change in the relationship. Episode 7, Kirino asks Kyosuke to get run over by a truck. Really not much different from her attitude towards Kyosuke in episode 1. And totally uncalled for under any circumstances.And lastly, as of what she said at the end of ep 8, how the next Life Counseling session will be the last one. It could show that Kirino is finally starting to feel bad for Kyousuke standing up for her all the time and yet keeping quiet about it. We'll just have to see. All I see in Kirino is a clueless, irrational, PMS afflicted teenage girl who wants to have her cake and eat it too.IMO, she could've already known what happened during the meeting and was testing Kyousuke to see if he'll speak up or just continue to keep it a secret from her, and judging from the short pause before she said the last line, i assume that she is starting to feel bad and doesn't want to trouble him anymore) |
A2ZOMGDec 6, 2010 3:03 AM
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| If the Light Novel does better than the anime, that's just facts. As you stated, the anime has changed things. Other facts include that Kirino from the anime Ore no Imouto is still one of the worst characters I've seen. My arguments are strictly in relation to my opinions on how I would potentially rate the anime, especially since this is the anime discussion forum. The Light Novel is completely irrelevant to this discussion. Rating atm is bordering from 4-5. This isn't the first time I've seen a bad main character ruin a show. Rin from Shuffle! did the same thing, and if I understand Ore no Imouto correctly, Rin is in the same situation as Kirino, where his anime rendition is by far worse than his original rendition (from a Visual Novel in his case). |
A2ZOMGDec 6, 2010 3:10 AM
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Yanathrae said: She is the reason why I dropped this anime. Pretty much sums up my answer and the fact the series took a good message and just failed to deliver on executing it properly. I can be honest that for the first few episodes, it didn't particular bother me, but after ep.4, it went downhill and apparently hasn't stopped either. Made the right choice is dumping this waste of time. |
| i'm neutral .....but ......more to this -----------> " How can I? She IS SO CUTE!!! I want her as my sister!" A2ZOMG said: If the Light Novel does better than the anime, that's just facts. As you stated, the anime has changed things. Other facts include that Kirino from the anime Ore no Imouto is still one of the worst characters I've seen. My arguments are strictly in relation to my opinions on how I would potentially rate the anime, especially since this is the anime discussion forum. The Light Novel is completely irrelevant to this discussion. Rating atm is bordering from 4-5. This isn't the first time I've seen a bad main character ruin a show. Rin from Shuffle! did the same thing, and if I understand Ore no Imouto correctly, Rin is in the same situation as Kirino, where his anime rendition is by far worse than his original rendition (from a Visual Novel in his case). bro ....you better watch anime rather than spending your time bashing Kirino ....its not like they will listen to your ranting about kirino being a bitch or something ...and the anime is going to end soon ...so be happy ...... |
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| Bland tsundere is bland. I don't find her cute, I find her disturbing. |
| I think this is going well. If she's just your normal imouto-type character, it would be boring. Also, I think it's building itself up (yes the bitchy attitude) so that they can come back with a good ending. I don't like linear stories myself. Anyway, I don't know about the light novel so I'm only saying this in my own assumptions. |
| I only didn't drop the anime cauz of the brother... she's just WAAAAY too bitchy to play the "imouto" character -_- She doesn't have to hit him évery time and well it's just that she's too arrogant... well at least I hope in the end will be nicer than she's been to him till now o.o |
| I'm picturing Kyousuke will bitch slap her and that'll let her realize how awesome her brother is XD (I hope) It would be disappointing if it ended with Kyousuke waggling his tail. |
td31 said: Really? it looks to me that the brother is the one ignored by her...how he dreamed of his sister waking him up and later on trying to tell her a few things and get ignored seems to me that the brother is the victim here.She was ignored all these years by her brother so of course her attitude with him is to be expected |
| I'm fine with Tsundere's mostly, but Kirino is just too much. She doesn't have to kick, slap, what else? to Kyousuke. I just hate her attitude towards Kyousuke. |
| While I normally like the tsundere archetypes, she's becoming more and more bitchy with each passing episodes and it's slowly pissing me off. Regardless of how their relationship got so bad, Kyousuke does everything he can to please her, but it's never good enough. Maybe it's her way of showing him she doesn't like how he ignored/mistreated her over the past years (whichever applies), but I think there comes a point where she could at least thank him more for all the stuff he lets her make him go through. |
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| While I normally like the tsundere archetypes, she's becoming more and more bitchy with each passing episodes and it's slowly pissing me off. Regardless of how their relationship got so bad, Kyousuke does everything he can to please her, but it's never good enough. Maybe it's her way of showing him she doesn't like how he ignored/mistreated her over the past years (whichever applies), but I think there comes a point where she could at least thank him more for all the stuff he lets her make him go through. |
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| I'm fine with Tsundere's mostly, but Kirino is just too much. She doesn't have to kick, slap, what else? to Kyousuke. I just hate her attitude towards Kyousuke. |
BlackSnake56 said: I don't understand your statement. I'm watching a lot of anime, and keeping a close eye on them. I also take pleasure in participating in heated intelligent discussion.bro ....you better watch anime rather than spending your time bashing Kirino ....its not like they will listen to your ranting about kirino being a bitch or something ...and the anime is going to end soon ...so be happy ...... And you don't know how eager I am to see the end of this show. Especially since it's my policy to not drop shows until 100 episodes or more. I usually watch shows with optimism that any show can turn around from a low point, and I also generally promote reviewing a show after completion. |
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| i liked her at the beginning but her assaults on kyousuke(after helping her again and again) and her attitude is really uncalled for i even started hating ayase cause her attitude is like kirino |
Chidashi-sama said: She is irritating, but she also has a slightly good reason to be. Yes, you might say I hate her. To me, she's abusive, ungrateful, quite annoying, loud-mouthed, and just plain unlikeable. Still, she can be cute at times - I'll give her that, but mostly, she's irritating. Not the most irritating character I've ever seen, but close. |
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| I find it amusing how people buy the "Oh, you didn't pay attention to me in the past" excuse, when she is really just a vessel of a tsundere that is there because many otakus just like tsunderes and that's it. This excuse appeared in such a strange manner, trying to justify her behaviour, that I could only laugh at the intention of trying to make her "more realistic". If you guys like tsunderes that's another point, but trying to defend that she behaves like that because of such convenient excuse does not make sense. At all. |
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Nao-staniDec 8, 2010 7:50 AM
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| I have no idea what happened in the past, I haven't read the novel, but I am yet to be irritated by her. Well I do find her non-dereness quite amusing though, it's something I haven't encountered before. That's why I like it and don't get irritated by it. She will show her dere side sooner or later. Most probably later. And I'm willing to wait. In the meantime, I might as well enjoy all her other qualities that y'all fail to see or perhaps don't find attractive and hillarious. Any girl who drools over anime girls is awesome. That's my rule, so GO KIRINO! :3 Kill them stereotypes! Not the typical tsundere-wanna-be, and not your typical anime fangirl. What's not to like? ;) It's just me though. |
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| I wouldn't have mind if she was a passive tsundere, but instead she is an overly aggressive tsundere taken to the extreme with severe attitude problems. I actually would have preferred if she wasn't tsundere at all. |
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| Well, actually I have the same bond - no, a much worse bond - with my bro. I'm envious that it works out that well with Kirino. But still, I find her a bit pervy... I have watched three seasons of a ecchi anime as well, but honestly, that kid is friggin' hoarding those things. I can see myself a bit in Kirino though. Well, a lot. My bad sides, all put in one character. And some things I don't have (popularity, model career...). If I'd say I'd hate her, I'd practically say I hated myself. AND I WON'T!!! But I still think she's a grumpy cow. |
| I sometimes find that Kirino goes too far with the tsun-tsun bashing machine. She's icier than Louise and Taiga together. Then again, her tender moments are lovely. Iilia said: Chidashi-sama said: She is irritating, but she also has a slightly good reason to be. |
necKrosDec 10, 2010 4:53 PM
| No She irks me at times but generally I don't hate or dislike her. |
| I don't like Kirino but I don't dislike her either; however, I wouldn't have watched this show if Kirino wasn't in it. |
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| I hate her, on the same level I hate Izaya Orihara, Man of Synapse and Ali Al-Saachez, and those three are "villains" in one way or another. Kirino hardly qualifies as such. |
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| I used to like her, but just the way she treats her older brother irks me WAY to much, the guy's basically destroying his own life and social standing for her and she just keeps bitching him out! D:! I want to like Kirino, but I really don't, I don't hate her, but I've found I'm now just watching the anime hoping to god I can see Kyousuke have a happy ending. Just as a last minute addition, Kirino can be pretty god damn cute though >.> I am Lihn! |
Bank12 said: This new episode just proved to me that she isn't even tsundere. She's just a complete bitch I don't mean to be rude or disrespectful but how can you not call that a tsundere?! The new episode proved that she is a tsundere no matter how you look at that. Sure she may not be your generic tsundere like Taiga, Shana whoever, she is still a Tsundere. I'm quite neutral with all of this, I do question her actions at times though (seems to me most people is Kirino haters judging by the polls). I don't spend time watching anime to hate characters with such a "passion". Its more for enjoyment and appreciation ( or otherwise finding some boring or w.e). Really i don't think you know enough to judge Kirino (if you read the light novel you would know) since you're basing your opinions on what you've seen. Don't Judge a Book by It's Cover. You may have seen her for 11 episode to date but do you guys who haven't read the light novel know her enough to judge her? and don't reply yes she a little b**ch who treats her bro with no respect. Please she an anime character for goodness sake. |
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| As for now I'm neutral :D |
anime_rulez71 said: I'm quite neutral with all of this, I do question her actions at times though (seems to me most people is Kirino haters judging by the polls). I don't spend time watching anime to hate characters with such a "passion". Its more for enjoyment and appreciation ( or otherwise finding some boring or w.e). Really i don't think you know enough to judge Kirino (if you read the light novel you would know) since you're basing your opinions on what you've seen. Don't Judge a Book by It's Cover. You may have seen her for 11 episode to date but do you guys who haven't read the light novel know her enough to judge her? and don't reply yes she a little b**ch who treats her bro with no respect. Please she an anime character for goodness sake. As someone who will never read the LN or the manga, the anime is all I have to go on. Saying "You guys don't know anything about Kirino cause you don't read the LN like I do" just makes you look elitist. It is the only medium in which I can see Kirino in action so I will judge her according to what I see in the anime. And what has the anime shown us so far? 10 episodes of jealousy, spite, disrespect and violence and one episode to reverse all of that all for the sake of tsundere-ness. Did the producers do this on purpose just so they can build up a "climax" for the end? Possible but doing so has cemented her as an overly aggressive person; at least to me she is. Although I will agree that she is just an anime character and it's nothing to get so overly worked up about. But I will also say that Oreimo does a good job of engaging the viewers to like or hate the characters. |
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| I'm amazed there are people out there that "like" Kirino, the most irritating, unruly, hypocritical, abhorable, ungrateful, hateful, violent, greedy, perverted, lolicon, spiteful demon bitch ever conceived in a work of fiction |
| As of 2:09am (GMT+8) Dec. 14, 2010 Options 1&2 (Want/Like) - 84; (31.34%) Option 3 (Neutral) - 23 (8.58%) Option 4&5 (dislike sometimes/really hate): 140 (52.24%) Option 6: 15 (5.6%) Option 7: 6; (2.24%) Total votes: 268 Combining the options (1&2 and 4&5) it becomes apparent who is the majority. Even without combining the options choices 4&5 are "leading". |
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| I can't believe so many people dislike Kirino for being a "bitch". I don't even see it that way at all. She likes her brother and always has. She's just hiding it because their relationship is not the type where they would openly admit to caring about each other. It's more of a relationship like where a sister and brother would always call each other "gross", accuse each other of having cooties, and act mean, but both siblings know that it's not serious. It's like a friendly rivalry. It's just the way they communicate. For example, it is embarrassing for Kirino to ask for her brother's help, so it's easier for her to demand it instead. Her brother knows it's just her way of asking for help. And if she did ask for help instead of demanding it, it'd cause Kyousuke some embarrassment to have to agree to it. It's easier for him to pretend that he is just grudgingly accepting the fact that he is "required" to help, even though he really wants to help. Even Kyousuke wouldn't normally ever admit that he cared about his sister in any way, shape, or form. If someone asked why he helped Kirino make friends, he'd answer that it was so he could get rid of her more so that she was less of a bother to him. He'd pretend that it was for selfish reasons. Is that mean? Not really, because it's not true. They both pretend to not like each other. Both know that the other's actions aren't really serious. Kyousuke knows that Kirino's meanness is just an overreaction regarding some small issues. It's how she expresses herself. Kirino is able to physically assault Kyousuke because she's comfortable in the knowledge that he understands she is overreacting and won't be upset by it. Why do you think he just gets slightly annoyed rather than outright mad after getting kicked in the nuts? I find Kirino and her relationships to be really cute, especially the way she is slowly breaking down the unspoken rule about not being openly sincere. I think Kirino really cares about people, but simply isn't comfortable showing it so bluntly. Her brother and friends know it. How do you think she and Kuroneko are still friends despite that constant rivalry? |
| I don't dislike tsundere's but I don't exactly like her bitchiness. I'm in it for Kuroneko. |
Timofmars said: snip. Still does not excuse the fact that Kirino SUDDENLY demands help from her brother after ignoring him for most of his life. Actually, Kirino seems to have been a loner for most of her childhood, considering that she doesn't even recall Manami Tamura who has been visiting their house for all those years already. They're siblings that don't even talk to each other until after she's in middle school and he's in high school. As a guy, Kyousuke's first thought would always be "I must have done something wrong to her, I just don't remember, so I can't really do anything about that". While in Kirino's case, it's simply just like she didn't have a brother at all. Yet she drowns herself with all that onii-chan/imouto eroge/anime. If it really would be a simple case of being "too shy", then that's impossible because what she has basically done was ignore her brother. You can't be shy to someone you ignore. How can that person be a target of your shyness then if you ignore him? |
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| I cannot express my hate for Kirino in words. She is a damn b****!!! o_O How can she be like that?? There my be a limit to arrogance... Actually I love Tsundere characters, but Kirino is not Tsundere, she is mentally challenged, seriously... In Reality this "girl" would have been killed by someone already... Damn, this would be such a great series WITHOUT Kirino and yes I'm serious. I hate her more than all of you Makoto Itou haters in the world together. |
<3 <3 <3 Kei is love <3 <3 <3 |
entropy13 said: Still does not excuse the fact that Kirino SUDDENLY demands help from her brother after ignoring him for most of his life. -snip- -snip- If it really would be a simple case of being "too shy", then that's impossible because what she has basically done was ignore her brother. You can't be shy to someone you ignore. How can that person be a target of your shyness then if you ignore him? Shy isn't the right word. It's more like feeling awkward or embarrassed because the accepted norm for their relationship is to act like they don't care. To show that you care is humiliating to your pride. It's like some boys in middle school who act like girls are gross and have cooties and so would tease any boy who shows interest in any of the girls... even though every one of the boys secretly likes the girls too. They more-or-less know that the other boys like girls too, but they just don't want to be the one to admit it and be "hazed" by the others, hurting their pride. It's the same for Kirino and her brother. "Ew, get away, you're my gross sibling" is basically the agreed upon norm. I'd call it a tough-love sibling rivalry, based on pride. They act tough, ignore each other (or act annoyed to be near each other), but they put that aside (partially at least) when confronted with anything more threatening to their well-being than protecting their pride. The difficulty Kirino has in thanking Kyousuke isn't because she isn't sure that he deserves it or that she doesn't fully appreciate it because she hates him too much. Rather, the difficulty for her is that admitting appreciation for him saving her requires that she swallows her pride and admits defeat in the sibling rivalry, like a wild tiger rolling to it's back to give up in a fight with a sibling for dominance. That's why Kyousuke is in disbelief that she actually thanked him. For him, the fact that she thanked him indicates just how very thankful and appreciative she must be, and that's what makes it SO DAMN CUTE! :) |
TimofmarsDec 14, 2010 1:44 AM
rlime said: I used to like Kirino but she gets more bitchy and annoying every episode that yes, I have started to dislike her. So, does anyone (besides me) dislike Kirino? DISCUSS. I do, and if I can have it my way, I'd be spanking her by now. |
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Kirino-phan said: As much as I love Kirino (despite my hate for Tsunderes), i can admit that yes, she can be annoying at times. But personally, after reading a few posts on another forum, I personally, come to like her alot more and actually started to symphatize her. Now, heres my opinion of Kirino... But just before that let me ask this, how many of you guys actually read the LN before watching the anime? Now, back to the opinion.... So yeah, thats my opinion of her. But, the anime is nearly at its end now, it'll only be fair to further judge her base on how she is in the Light Novel, not the anime. And personally, i look forward to a second season if there is one, hopefully it'll show Kirino in a different light than what she is now. Ok, so after all that blah, blah and blah, the fact here is that the author of this anime really presented Kirino as someone whom you would like to hate, though she did make up for her bitchiness against Kyousuke in ep 11 which probably is the most touching part. But let's not forget that for the viewers to hate Kirino is a first impression that was introduce, so therefore no body can be blame for judging Kirino's rude behavior and besides, she may have made up with her brother in ep11, so what about her brother's fiance Manami whom she tries to sabotage by bringing her laptop with some eroge game in it and pulling out her brother's porn mag? So, in someways a lot of viewers would have been touch in ep11, but a lot of Kirino haters would agree with me that she still owes Manami an apology, so I still hate her. |
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