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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- So close yet again. Out of all the ways to end the batle... damn. It's frustrating but Yang is a man who holds holds his principles steadfast. The temptation to finish Reinhard must have been enormous with his crew around him begging for the order to end it. He's ultimately become one of my favorite characters in this show. Reinhard should be thankful but he must feel extremely humbled. The real person who saved him was Hilda, although Reuental will probably try and use this to his advantage sometime in the future. Truniht unfortunately won again. He's like a cockroach that won't die. He just keeps disappearing when things go south and coming back only when he can reassert his negative influences. When Merkatz was first saved and defected to the Alliance side, I never imagined he'd have such a major role. Tasked with keeping a portion of the crew alive in hiding won't be an easy. Especially now that Reinhard will be able to extend his influence from far beyond both corners of the Phezzan/Iserlohn corridors. |
 ...even a saint needs a soldier to do the dirty work. |
| They really like to keep on hinting that Reuental will betray Reinhard. I wonder when it will actually happen though. Reinhard was really shocked when the FPA surrendered to him. That was a completely unexpected turn for both commanders. Yang stood firm with his beliefs even when he was a second away from completely his goal of killing Reinhard. Loved this episode a lot. This was probably one of the most epic battles in anime history with the most unexpected results ever. Once again Truniht (can't spell his name) got away free. He just wont give up. |
| As was to be expected, the greatest victory was stolen from Yang. Perhaps it was fate, but if the message arrived just a moment later, history would have changed. That's one good point about LOGH, that there are many "what if's" that we can ponder about. Anyway, it's always a good idea to ignore "urgent messages" when you're one step away from winning. Can't be a good thing. |
| So Merkatz will form an independent fleet that will explore inexplored regions of space and possibly found a new nation? That would be awesome though.... |
bla bla bla The endless debate between fans and haters. At one point, after spending a lot of time on MAL, you just realize it's totally pointless.Niko-kun said: On MAL, everyone who has used the lame rating system becomes a critic and an intellectual by default, haven't you heard? |
| Im not sure what to say. Although I didnt want Reinhard to be defeated, I didnt want his grand victory to be handed to him either... |
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Osaka117 said: He didn't want such a victory either...Im not sure what to say. Although I didnt want Reinhard to be defeated, I didnt want his grand victory to be handed to him either... |
| I don't quite know if Reinhard will ever get over this.. But Hilda proves to be as resourceful as ever. I think she would be one of the Heroes the title of this series eludes to. I mean she, Mittermeyer, and Reuental literally changed history. |
| "Yes, I have been deprived of emotion. But not completely. Whoever did it, botched the job." - Geralt of Rivia |
| Ah, over two million lost... and stopped by some well-timed action by Hilde, Wolfgang, and Reuenthal. It did feel like a sneaky move, but the best one the Empire had at the time. I've got to say it must be all sorts of dissapointing for Reinhard knowing he's attained victory in this manner. Bucock and co. didn't seem to be faring well either, getting arrested by the Earth Cult. Wasn't that something... getting stopped by somemone as spineless as Truniht. |
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| didn't expect that the battle will end like this..yang was one step away from winning..and defiantly Reinhard didn't want such a victory.. and it was hinted again that Reuental will betray Reinhard and I really wish that it will not happen..bcz I like them both & want to see them in one side.. |
| Didn't expect the epic battle to end like this at all. Sucks for Bucock being arrested by Truniht and the Earth Cult. Hilda, Mittermeyer and Reuental changed history, and speaking of Reuental, we were hinted once again that he might betray Reinhard soon. |
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| Truniht. must. die. |
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| Unexpected and unsatisfying (for yang, reinhard and the viewers) ending of the epic battle. But thats so great about this show, it doesn't give hollywood-ish handbook solutions. |
| I probably regret this post by now. |
| Wow. I mean, wow. Yang could have put an end to this if only he disobeyed Truniht, but...would the result be any better? The look on Reinhard's face...you can tell this is not what he calls victory. This is not what I call victory, either. Hilde proves herself useful, and...well, it was meaningful how she chose Mittermeyer to cooperate with. Yeah, we probably all know by now that some day Reuenthal will jump at a chance of replacing Reinhard. I wonder what Mittermeyer will do when that happens :O hoo boy, can't wait. |
- If you believe this place holds you, it is a prison. If you do not wish to leave, it will become a fortress. Current icon: Kusuriuri from Mononoke by pana (LJ username) |
stAtic91 said: Truniht. must. die. What this dude said, when he had the nerve to try to blame this on Yang I wanted a pillar to fall on him... and EXPLODE! In a way, this episode left everyone with blue balls. But even if Yang had gone against the order of surrender, how many lives would have been sacrificed as they tore the capitol apart? There's not satisfying ending here for anyone, well maybe for Hilde.  "How come nothing ever happens IN FRONT of me?" |
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| why would they cut off the kiss scene ;(...but Frederica surely knows how to flatter him xD,Yang should learn from her lol on overall...this was kinda boring :p,Lohengram's a lucky ****...although his huge ego was probably killed :) 3/5 |
Sayonara,papa! "Just how a mirror reflects you,people will also reflect your heart." ~Athena Glory,Aria "Whatever happens,happens" ~Spike Spiegel's thoughts on dying(Cowboy Bebop) |
| At least they kissed. Mittenmeyer said something I like, that politicans don't give a damn when ordinary people's houses are destroyed, but they panic when their own government houses are destroyed |
| Even when I was in crowd, I was always alone |
jpem said: hmm so the alliance has been pretty much defeated but the series still isnt even halfway through. interested in where it will go from here. same. Where can they take this now? I think Yang and Reinhard will end up working together for a little while, these kinds of epic rivalry stories always seem to do that before making them fight each other again in the end... |
| There must be a statue of Hilda somewhere in this world. |
| "This Forest isn't going to reveal all its secrets for the likes of you." |
| "The life of the Alliance is at an end. It's politicians who toy with power. It's opportunistic soldiers like in Amlitzer. No, it's citizens who have turned over rulership to politicians instead of participating in it. The people have democratic principles on their lips but can't spare the effort to safeguard it. The collapse of the government is the sin of its rulers and leaders. The collapse of democracy is the sin of every citizen." This is the truth. Exchange alliance for western civilization, Amlitzer for the war on terror, and there you have it: Our reality. |
| Signature? I ain't got no signature! I don't need no signature! I don't have to show you any stinkin' signature! |
stAtic91 said: Truniht. must. die. This. So much. |
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| Man, Yang had that in the bag. What a shame, indeed. I'm interested in what Meerkatz will accomplish with his fleet. |
| And then Poplan became Little John AWW YAAAAH. |
| Ah man this was a tough one. I didn't want Reinhard to die but I also wanted the Alliance to somehow win. Ironic, eh? I hope everything goes well for Yang and Frederica from here on out... |
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kodial said: "The life of the Alliance is at an end. It's politicians who toy with power. It's opportunistic soldiers like in Amlitzer. No, it's citizens who have turned over rulership to politicians instead of participating in it. The people have democratic principles on their lips but can't spare the effort to safeguard it. The collapse of the government is the sin of its rulers and leaders. The collapse of democracy is the sin of every citizen." This is the truth. Exchange alliance for western civilization, Amlitzer for the war on terror, and there you have it: Our reality. You beat me to it -- this was the most significant quote from the episode. So many citizens of modern democratic societies like to reap the benefits of democracy without bearing its responsibilities. It's a double standard that's a byproduct of this age's pervading sense of entitlement. We could all take a lesson from Yang: live within the system and bide your time, and hope that your actions -- however insignificant they may seem -- will change it for the better. I believe that Yang made the wrong choice in this instance, but I'll admit that his ideals are less arbitrary and better defined than those of anyone else in his fleet -- Schenkopp and Julian were running each other around in circles and only accepted the other's viewpoint and Yang's decision reluctantly. And, in this case, Julian's strict loyalty to Yang over the Alliance seems a bit hypocritical. On the other side of things...I believe that it was pretty damn lucky for Hilda that Mittermeyer and Reuenthal were deployed adjacent to each other. She was obviously right to go to Mittermeyer before Reuenthal, but if Mittermeyer had taken Heinessen by himself, or if Reuenthal had objected to the plan...well, something that will probably be happening in seasons 3 or 4 would've happened a lot sooner. And Hilda capped off her Mittermeyer/Reuenthal juggling act with a very tactful and diplomatic quote: Hilda von Mariendorf said: I hope that you will be Prince Lohengramm's wings and help take him forward. In season 1, Oberstein warned against the fears of Reinhard having a strong second-in-command. At that point, the danger was dissension and disunity within Reinhard's camp. Now, in season 2, the danger is the ambition of the second-in-command himself, and the balance between the two pillars of the Empire is even more important. |
| As hard as it can be to swallow, I think Yang did the right thing here. Ignoring the orders would have been a fatal blow to the "spirit" of democracy, no matter what the politicians motives are for the order. Also, the way this battle ended just fits LoGH so well and I think Mittermeyer's lines toward the end summed it up greatly. Likewise, I think Hilda did the right thing as well. Reinhard's mere presence is hugely important at this point, so she was right in saving him. I wonder how he'll react to it when they meet face to face. And, of course, lets not forget the always interesting Reuental. |
| "Yes, I have been deprived of emotion. But not completely. Whoever did it, botched the job." - Geralt of Rivia |
| Sucks for Yang to be cheated out of a victory like that, but Reinhard not too happy either.....he's gonna have remorse for the rest of his life....... I feel SAD for him :( If ONLY Reinhard didn't fall for Yang's decoy trap and broke formation (the hell you're doing Oberstein??? u're no help this time LOL)..... cause that wine strategy Reinhard used, stacking defense one over another was pretty good, and he just might've won if he held out until reinforcements! But then, this was all a GIANT GAMBLE. If Reinhard was winning, sending reinforcements was the right move. If Reinhard was losing, attacking Heinessen would be the right move instead. Shame...shame... that Reinhard's own admirals bet he's gonna lose, and they're damn right LOL |
| I actually sort of wish that Reinhard would "recruit" Yang. Not like become buddy-buddy, but use his talents to further his own goal of truly unifying the universe. I don't believe that Reinhard is deadset on any one type of government, but rather just the most efficient one, which at the moment is a dictatorship. In other words, it is quite possible they could come to some sort of agreement. Although I am doubtful that will happen, in fact I am guessing Reinhard might go semi-insane now, due to not only losing but being saved like that. I hope not though, since I like Reinhard. |
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| Ahaha, that kiss. Yang looking around for people. :3 wakka9ca said: So Merkatz will form an independent fleet that will explore inexplored regions of space and possibly found a new nation? That would be awesome though.... Lack of females. But wow. It's only 53 episodes in, not even 1/2. Where will this series go?? It's no longer the Alliance vs. Empire, so I'm excited to see the direction it will take. Pirating_Ninja said: I've been thinking this for a while! I would love to see Reinhard and Yang working together.I actually sort of wish that Reinhard would "recruit" Yang. Not like become buddy-buddy, but use his talents to further his own goal of truly unifying the universe. I don't believe that Reinhard is deadset on any one type of government, but rather just the most efficient one, which at the moment is a dictatorship. In other words, it is quite possible they could come to some sort of agreement. Although I am doubtful that will happen, in fact I am guessing Reinhard might go semi-insane now, due to not only losing but being saved like that. I hope not though, since I like Reinhard. |
kodial said: "The life of the Alliance is at an end. It's politicians who toy with power. It's opportunistic soldiers like in Amlitzer. No, it's citizens who have turned over rulership to politicians instead of participating in it. The people have democratic principles on their lips but can't spare the effort to safeguard it. The collapse of the government is the sin of its rulers and leaders. The collapse of democracy is the sin of every citizen." This is the truth. Exchange alliance for western civilization, Amlitzer for the war on terror, and there you have it: Our reality. Quoted again for truth. What a sad state of affairs we're in. This series is so amazing. Yang Wenli is an excellent exceptional role model, but dammit if a part of me didn't wish he would have just acted like he didn't hear the order in time and still destroyed Reinhard! At least he got a kiss out of it though, I like that they didn't show it either, just so much class in this series. Reinhard is gonna be so pissed at Hilda. He's never gonna forgive her I think, he's never going to get over it. He's never even going to think he beat Yang Wenli, because he didn't. |
stAtic91 said: Truniht. must. die. This bastard has had me raging all series long, but at this point my rage was overflowing. One of the most hated anime characters ever. I wish Yang would have ignored the orders. Not because I want Reinhard to die, which I don't, but rather I hate that even on the cusp of victory that scum Truniht and his crony f$cking government get in Yang's way. The words mentioned by many others in the show, namely that Yang has two enemies, the Empire and the Scum Politicians at home, are so true. Even if he defeats or is defeating one he can't beat the other (or stubbornly choses not to). I admire that he holds strong with his principles, but there is an exception to every rule, and I'm really disappointed that there weren't more protests besides Schenkopp. |
stAtic91 said: Truniht. must. die. This. Truniht is among the most annoying characters I've ever seen in any story, this guy is the ultimate douchebag. |
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| I wonder how Reinhard is going to act towards Hilda's help. Is he going to be mad? Upset? Thankful? Relieved? He seemed pretty shaken so I hope Hilda doesn't receive any backlash for saving his life .___. |
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| YES!!!! Finally!! The preview for the next episode looks very promising! Maybe Reinhard and Yang will join together!! I mean we have the right to dream right?! Mmm that kiss. Things are looking good again. Maybe that death flag WAS a troll. Hopefully I'm not proved wrong. Frederica x Yang! Still disappointed that Reinhard didn't win the battle himself. Still think that the battle was a big under-performance for him. Compared to Yang's miracles Reinhard only had his indefinite shield wall formation which was counteracted in the end anyway... I always thought that Yang and Reinhard would be equal in Fleet to Fleet combat tactics. However at the moment Yang seems to be the superior. Hopefully this time it was just the case of impatience and pride hindering Reinhard and we get to see the former badass commander Reinhard (before he took over the Empire) put Yang in a bad position in a fair battle... Truniht. Hes going in my Death Note. With a very horrifying death. |
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Vexper said: I wonder how Reinhard is going to act towards Hilda's help. Is he going to be mad? Upset? Thankful? Relieved? He seemed pretty shaken so I hope Hilda doesn't receive any backlash for saving his life .___. I doubt it, he's probably more pissed at himself that he basically lost the battle and was given a mulligan. |
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| this episode reminded me of the showdown between light and L in deathnote. Except in this instance they did it right and didnt kill off either character that you've come to like so much. It was a good middle compromise. After L died, my motivation to keep reading deathnote was close to 0. It'd be a shame if the same happened here but it didnt :) On an offnote, job truniht reminds me of little shithead jeoffrey from game of thrones. |
| And the victor is! I find myself having contradictory emotions. While I like Yang more than Reinhard, I didn't want Reinhard to lose, and though they suffered huge losses I wanted there to be more. We will see where this takes us. |
| "Let Justice Be Done!" My Theme Fight again, fight again for justice! |
| The Empire won, YAY! It was awesome that they took over Heinnessin like that. I feel like Reindhart's ambitions have been shattered though. Kind of like Griffith... |
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| Very interesting development! I do wonder what will happen next! |
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| It is a shame that men like Truniht exist. I have no words for him. |
| The war between the Alliance and the Empire has finally come to an end and yet we're barely halfway! Wonder where the series will go from here... |
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| nice to see yang holding to his ideals instead of just doing the opposite like what has been done in so many other anime. also like that scene at the end with yang and fredrica :p |
| So close! Of course Yang refuses to go against his ideals here, but damn I'm with Schenkopp , should have blown Reinhard's ship up. I mean it still would have been a bad situation considering Reuental and Mittenmeyer still would have taken over Heinesen with a sizable fleet that would have been tough for Yang to defeat after his force got reduced by 70-something percent .. hmmm IDK if R and M would have still taken over the planet or left back for Odin as soon as they heard Reinhard died? AHHH So many what ifs!! Still doesn't change the fact that Reinhard basically lost his side of the conflict and got bailed the fuck out by a combination of his secretary and Yang's sticking to his beliefs instead of deciding to win at all costs. Oh well, I already knew Reinhard wouldn't die this early in the series by watching all the opening song sequences a while back when I first heard about this series. BTW I don't advise doing that to anyone else before you watch the series if you don't want to get spoiled. Looks like last episode of the second season, we'll finally get to see Reinhard meet Yang. Awesome. |
midnightbladeOct 13, 2015 10:10 PM
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| this episode was bloody painful for both main protagonists |
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