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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- Finally, one season's worth of episodes down. It's amazing that all of those events happened in just one year's time. This show has just been top notch so far. Damn why did Siegfried have to die now? Then on top of that Reinhard's sister decided to leave also. Siegfried was always like that little angel on Reinhard's right shoulder giving him good avice. Oberstein on the other hand has played the quintessential devil on the left shoulder role. When someone like Oberstein actually stops for a second to question a bad act, you know that you've crossed the line. Reinhard went way beyond that line. I'm looking forward to seeing how things will play out from here. |
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| Season one, w00t? Glad Sieg is dead. Not that I disliked him at all, it's mjust that it's fair since Yang has lost a lot as well, tying in the similarities between them. Can't wait for more. :D 5/5 Season 1: 8/10 And the "Shadows must accompany their light. But if the light dims... Don't the shadows, too?" quote... I am sort of confused. Does Oberstein mean that Reinhard was really following Sieg and that since Sieg is dead Reinhard will become weaker and it will be easier to control Reinhard for his own ambitions? /Or/ that Sieg died because Reinhard is weak? I dunno. They both make good sense, imo. |
LoveWifeLunchJun 12, 2008 6:57 AM
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LoveWifeLunch said: And the "Shadows must accompany their light. But if the light dims... Don't the shadows, too?" quote... I am sort of confused. Does Oberstein mean that Reinhard was really following Sieg and that since Sieg is dead Reinhard will become weaker and it will be easier to control Reinhard for his own ambitions? /Or/ that Sieg died because Reinhard is weak? No, I'm pretty sure that Obelstein is the shadow that follows Reinhard. He was saying that it's necessary for Reinhard to be strong, or Obelstein will also get weaker. In other words, we can't have the host getting weak, or the parasite won't have as much blood to drink... |
| I figured Siegfried was going to sacrifice himself at some point like that, but didn't really see it coming so quickly. I thought he was an excellent character, but I've always figured his death would be essential to Reinhard's growth and development. I can imagine that at some point Reinhard might cast away Obelstein, once he becomes stronger and more confident. First season down I guess? Phew, it's been a blast. I can already tell this is probably going to make its way into my top 5. |
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| KIRCHEIS NOOOOOO ...in the locket at the end, it looks like Reinhard kept some of Sieg's hair in there. :o |
PlateSep 14, 2008 7:41 PM
Plate said: KIRCHEIS NOOOOOO ...in the locket at the end, it looks like Reinhard kept some of Sieg's hair in there. :o Yeah, I'm sure that's what that is. |
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| Well with a lot more episodes left I would say that Reinhard won't completely collapse or anything. Although Kierchies death was shocking to me. Right after he was shot I knew he was done for. Although I am glad how everything ended this series with Reinhard still getting the support of his admirals. Can't wait to start season two cause season one was already filled with some awesome moments from start to finish. |
| I think that with Kierchies death, Reinhard would be able to attain success much faster. The total cost of his success might even be less, since he could then adopt actions which are might be morally unacceptable but utilitarian (think Westerland). However, on another level, we all know that something would always be lacking in the new empire. |
| foreshadowing: Yang Wenli and Reinhard: what will be the relationship between the two?? |
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| Wow, I never expected Kircheis to die so fast. I'd say maybe halfway through the series, but only one quarter? That surprised me, that's for sure. I'm looking forward to how the rest of this plays out now. This is by far one of the best shows I have seen so far. |
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| Totally didnt see that happening, thanks to everyone at MAL keeping it a secret. Really affecting episode, coupled with the fantastic music, just greatness. I love how the two main characters are always on each other's minds and how they're almost looking at each other for guidance, like lighthouses. |
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| Why make Kircheis die so quickly. To me he is the best character. But still it was a good episode. Of couse not the part where Keicheis died :( |
| I raged a lot when Kircheis died. Surely one of those "Why did he have to die now of all times." However, it brought up an extremely emotional episode which totally rocked. 26 episodes down and I'm absolutely loving how each episode turns out to be. Really awesome and the soundtrack is pure gold, despite it's age. |
Massaki said: and the soundtrack is pure gold, despite it's age. Which is a couple hundred years old by now. :P |
"I'm starting to think mal is run by Xinil generating electricity on a bicycle." - idklol |
| KIRCHEIS! Also, this man speaks the truth  |
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| Wow this one caught me off guard. I expected that Kircheis will live a long time and eventually battle Yang Wenlis pseudo son (forgot his name) or something along those lines. |
| Ah, so long ago I watched this... but still quite memorable. ^_^ Looking back, I pretty much had the expectation that Siegfried would be removed from the picture somehow. He brought a notable balance to Reinhard's personality, and it seemed logical that there would have to be a breaking there. I wasn't really expecting him to die though, until I saw the assassination plot developing. Prior to that I thought, perhaps, following the nuking incident he might choose to leave the service and disappear for a significant portion of the anime. |
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| I love Oberstein. He is amazing. That was such a great episode. While I knew of Kircheis' death beforehand I didn't think it would happen so quickly! Now I'm really looking forward to the rest to the series. |
MonochromeMay 29, 2009 10:35 PM
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| SIEGFRIED! NOOOOOO! There goes the character on the Imperial side that I liked the most, I can't believe they killed him off this early. Now I guess I like Oberstein but mostly just because of how cynical he is. For awhile I was thinking that the relatively few people who have seen this were hyping it out to be better that it was but at around episode twenty I'm starting to understand. Since the next season had a gap in production hopefully the animation gets better. |
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| The animation does get progressively better, just dont expect anything radicaly better. |
| I knew someone important had to die before the end of the first season, I just didnt think that it would be Kircheis. Its sad, but I bet that Reinhard will be much more aggressive in his attempts to seize the universe, now that he's trying to prove himself to his dead friend. Anyway, an absolutely amazing first season. This anime will likely end up a 10/10 for me even if the next seasons are only half as good as the first. |
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Osaka117 said: Not to mention Sieg was his moral compass and a restraining factor for his ambition...Its sad, but I bet that Reinhard will be much more aggressive in his attempts to seize the universe, now that he's trying to prove himself to his dead friend. Osaka117 said: Actually the next seasons are even better. ;)Anyway, an absolutely amazing first season. This anime will likely end up a 10/10 for me even if the next seasons are only half as good as the first. |
| That was a pretty sad episode, Siegfried was easily my favourite character and I really wasn't expecting him to go out like that. |
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| Wow. I wasn't expecting Kircheis to die so early ;_; |
| An AMV dedicated to Sieg, Reinhard & their friendship... seriously this song by Iced Earth feels like it was written specificaly for them. Note that although I dont consider it spoilerous it does contain a small glimpse of the awesomeness that follows the most defining moment(only rivaled by his sister's forced concubinage) in lord Reinhard's life... |
Alas86Jul 28, 2009 2:41 AM
| Before Siegfried managed to keep Reinhard in the morally gray area, i'm afraid with his death there will be no stopping him. I can't say how much I am looking forward to the next season, but i'm calling it a night. Oh yeah, i'll give this season an 8/10. |
Ston3_FreeN7Jul 30, 2009 2:49 AM
| "Yes, I have been deprived of emotion. But not completely. Whoever did it, botched the job." - Geralt of Rivia |
| RIP Siegfried Kircheis. ;_____; "Reinhard lost half of his other self." ;_____; |
| RIP Kircheis |
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Why did he have to go? He was essentially Reinhard's other half. And what's worse is that Annerose moved away to the countryside. Reinhard got what he wanted in the end, but the price he paid for it was too high. |
DeadBonesBrookAug 6, 2009 6:03 PM
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| Wow. I was starting to like Kircheis, but some guy had to just kill him. Like most people here in this thread, I was shocked that he suddenly died. (I was 95% expecting that he'll come back alive from his coffin.) Anyway, out of curiosity, Reinhard asked his sister if she loved Kircheis. Maybe I didn't notice her response, but was that a yes or no? I hope a good soul would answer my question before I dwell on this trivial matter... ;____; |
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| Oh god I had to wipe away my tears for at least 3 minutes, I didn't foresighted Kircheis death at all, he was such a kind person, I wish I could at least know what was he thinking when Reinhard told him that he agreeded to let the prince nuke Westerland. Yet at the end he even shows the most loyalty to him, by saving his most dearest friend in front of his eyes. Farewell Kircheis. I hope his death doesn't turn Reinhard into a dictator. |
| I honestly am not happy with Kircheis death, not because i was sad(Which i was) but because it kinda seemed like a cop out to me. I understand that his death is huge for Reinhard but i was till upset. Upset at the fact that we won't really get to see the friction between Reinhard and Kircheis as the show goes on. As Reinhard gets progressively more "evil" and Kirchies doesn't, we won't ever get to the explore this which is kinda upsetting. All in all a good episode. |
burntlettuce said: I honestly am not happy with Kircheis death, not because i was sad(Which i was) but because it kinda seemed like a cop out to me. I understand that his death is huge for Reinhard but i was till upset. Upset at the fact that we won't really get to see the friction between Reinhard and Kircheis as the show goes on. As Reinhard gets progressively more "evil" and Kirchies doesn't, we won't ever get to the explore this which is kinda upsetting. All in all a good episode. If you believe that Kircheis was the only interesting character then you are wrong. There are at least 10 characters more interesting than him in the next three seasons.... |
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wakka9ca said: burntlettuce said: I honestly am not happy with Kircheis death, not because i was sad(Which i was) but because it kinda seemed like a cop out to me. I understand that his death is huge for Reinhard but i was till upset. Upset at the fact that we won't really get to see the friction between Reinhard and Kircheis as the show goes on. As Reinhard gets progressively more "evil" and Kirchies doesn't, we won't ever get to the explore this which is kinda upsetting. All in all a good episode. If you believe that Kircheis was the only interesting character then you are wrong. There are at least 10 characters more interesting than him in the next three seasons.... That's not what i said at all. I sad i was upset that we wouldn't know how Kirchies and Reinhards relationship would've been as things progressed and i was upset about that. |
| We already saw the friction between the two, you're not missing out on anything. The only possible outcome from the friction is that they fall out or they make up. Infact, the friction would have been overcome quickly, because of their undying friendship, but now that Kircheis is gone, you actually will see Reinhard get more 'evil', as it were. The story is primarily about two men, and those two men arent Reinhard and Kircheis. It's about Reinhard and Yang. The two will lose a lot on their journeys, and their loss is an important point of their journey. |
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Indirect_Purple said: don't click Why even post a spoiler in this thread dude? Besides, I used quotation marks to imply the word shouldnt be taken literally. |
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Beatnik said: We already saw the friction between the two, you're not missing out on anything. The only possible outcome from the friction is that they fall out or they make up. Infact, the friction would have been overcome quickly, because of their undying friendship, but now that Kircheis is gone, you actually will see Reinhard get more 'evil', as it were. The story is primarily about two men, and those two men arent Reinhard and Kircheis. It's about Reinhard and Yang. The two will lose a lot on their journeys, and their loss is an important point of their journey. Not once did i say that the show revolved around Reinhard and Kircheis, i was just saying that i was upset at the fact that Kircheis died. Seeing one episode of the inter friction wasn't enough in my opinion and i wanted to see how Kircheis would've dealt with it if Reinhard and Kircheis opinions kept getting futher away. That is all i am saying... |
| I'm pretty sure I was supposed to qq, but I didn't. I guess this pretty much solidifies the fact that I have no soul. |
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Neverender said: I didn't either to be honest. But there are far worse deaths to come ;__;I'm pretty sure I was supposed to qq, but I didn't. I guess this pretty much solidifies the fact that I have no soul. |
| OMG Kircheis T.T I didn't expect that he would die this soon AT ALL! he was one of my fav characters..I liked the relationship between him & Reinhard..and how he was like his "angel"...I really don't want Reinhard to turn evil after Kircheis' death =.= it was such an emotional episode & an awesome first season..I'm glad that I started watching this.. |
M_A said: Neverender said: I'm pretty sure I was supposed to qq, but I didn't. I guess this pretty much solidifies the fact that I have no soul. You might have a couple more qq chances in the future. To be honest, I didnt qq at his death either. I was very shocked and in awe at how good the anime was getting, constantly blindsiding me with its unpredictable awesomeness. However, I did qq at the aftermath of Kircheis's death, namely how it affected Reinhard and his conversation with Annerose afterwards. Very sad stuff. M_A said: You might have a couple more qq chances in the future. Oh yes... |
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| That was a really moving episode. Marvellous stuff. As tainteddonut put it, the good angel hovering over Reinhard's shoulder is gone. I wonder if Oberstein's questioning Reinhard's decision to kill off the former Prime Minister's family foreshadows the young marquis surpassing even that cold bastard in ruthlessness? I was also a bit mystified by Oberstein's cryptic metaphor. naikou's interpretation is possible I suppose, but I wonder if the light might not have been Kircheis and the shadow Oberstein. In that case, Oberstein might be suggesting that without the softening influence of Kircheis to weaken Reinhard, his own position is undermined? I'm not completely convinced by my interpretation either, even if it seems reasonable to oppose Kircheis and Oberstein as light and shadow. I wonder if anyone can come up with something more satisfying? |
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| Fuck. And the next season is going to be even better? Shit's going to be so awesome. |
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| Noooo! Not so soon! I can't say i wasn't expecting Kircheis to die, but not in the first season. It's sooo sad... Kircheis trusted Reinhard and was a loyal friend to him until his death. I just hope that Reinhard will not become a bitter tyrant with only hate in his heart. Farewell, Kircheis, one of the galactic heroes, you surely were the best character! |
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| Sorry about this stream of consciousness after watching eps 25 and 26, but that's what I actually think now: Damn, he didn't have to say Reinhard to conquer the universe after all this! He knew that "old" Reinhard has already gone and now is even more a runaway from himself than he was before, a person with no real purpose for actions! And, IMO, no matter how pity it is, but Reinhard has to be stopped until he left no stone unturned... Annerose has understood all perfectly, but why did she say the same thing as Siegfried in the end? |
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