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Apr 22, 2012 1:39 PM

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He did say she falls off late game, still single burst, so in the end I was right. As I said, there are better picks

Yes, because she needs Sorc boots at the beginning and she needs AP. Runes/Items/Masteries depends vs who you are facing. I'd change yellows for flat mana regen, but that still is >700 ap. 6 item AP carry will never have less than 600 AP, unless it's Ryze, lol.

He said that she is a bit weaker in late and that deas not mean that she falls off, but he's their AD player, not AP, my fault on asking to wrong person. Her AoE damage lack is what makes her single-target skills deadly.
Right, AD carry is single-target champion too, but she has to constantly attack someone to kill, while LB kills some1 in just matter of 2 seconds. Tho AD carry has no CD's and can do it all the time, but it's hard to when the fight is 4x5.
Kassadin is single-target, more or less, champion too. Like Ryze, with his ultimate off.

Yes, there can be better picks, but it gets boring to play them all the time.
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one-more-time said:
Immahnoob said:

He did say she falls off late game, still single burst, so in the end I was right. As I said, there are better picks

Yes, because she needs Sorc boots at the beginning and she needs AP. Runes/Items/Masteries depends vs who you are facing. I'd change yellows for flat mana regen, but that still is >700 ap. 6 item AP carry will never have less than 600 AP, unless it's Ryze, lol.

He said that she is a bit weaker in late and that deas not mean that she falls off, but he's their AD player, not AP, my fault on asking to wrong person. Her AoE damage lack is what makes her single-target skills deadly.
Right, AD carry is single-target champion too, but she has to constantly attack someone to kill, while LB kills some1 in just matter of 2 seconds. Tho AD carry has no CD's and can do it all the time, but it's hard to when the fight is 4x5.
Kassadin is single-target, more or less, champion too. Like Ryze, with his ultimate off.

Yes, there can be better picks, but it gets boring to play them all the time.

Playing them all the time or not, I'm not telling you to stop playing her because there are better picks, I'm arguing with you because you told me all this time she doesn't fall off late game even a bit, which is WRONG, I use hyperboles all the time, I should be more accurate about it.




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Apr 22, 2012 1:51 PM

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Immahnoob said:
Playing them all the time or not, I'm not telling you to stop playing her because there are better picks, I'm arguing with you because you told me all this time she doesn't fall off late game even a bit, which is WRONG, I use hyperboles all the time, I should be more accurate about it.

Every champion can fall off late game, depends on how well game is going, when you pick champion - you cannot be for 100% sure that you'll be useful in late, if you'll even get to it.

In actual game 6 item LB is beast.
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Apr 22, 2012 1:54 PM

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TL;DR.

What is this discussion between you two about again?
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Apr 22, 2012 2:04 PM

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jallan said:
TL;DR.

What is this discussion between you two about again?

I don't even remember well. It was about him saying three champions are beast late, LeB/WW/Shaco and me contradicting him, but I'm bored. This doesn't go anywhere.

@one-more-time Karthus too, 6 items he's beast too.




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Apr 22, 2012 2:06 PM

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Immahnoob said:
jallan said:
TL;DR.

What is this discussion between you two about again?

I don't even remember well. It was about him saying three champions are beast late, LeB/WW/Shaco and me contradicting him, but I'm bored. This doesn't go anywhere.

@one-more-time Karthus too, 6 items he's beast too.


I didn't read anything else, but LB and shaco falls of lategame. They shine early-mid game, but fall of lategame. Ofc, if a shaco/LB snowballs hard with 20 kills at 30 minute mark, of course he/she will own. That goes for every champion who gets fed.

But, the truth is that LB and shaco falls of lategame. End of story.
LB is also easy to counter, Banishes counter LB hard for instance, Oracle on shaco. Shaco is terrible now in any other place than jungle, he gets beaten by any champ which is good at that lane.

Btw folks. Which champs are ya favs on each lane.
Mine;

Solotop: Rumble/Nidalee/Riven
Jungle: Trundle/Riven
Mid: Katarina/Anivia
Bot: Vayne/Ezreal
Support: Alistar/Janna

=)
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Apr 22, 2012 2:10 PM

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jallan said:
Immahnoob said:
jallan said:
TL;DR.

What is this discussion between you two about again?

I don't even remember well. It was about him saying three champions are beast late, LeB/WW/Shaco and me contradicting him, but I'm bored. This doesn't go anywhere.

@one-more-time Karthus too, 6 items he's beast too.


I didn't read anything else, but LB and shaco falls of lategame. They shine early-mid game, but fall of lategame. Ofc, if a shaco/LB snowballs hard with 20 kills at 30 minute mark, of course he/she will own. That goes for every champion who gets fed.

But, the truth is that LB and shaco falls of lategame. End of story.
LB is also easy to counter, Banishes counter LB hard for instance, Oracle on shaco. Shaco is terrible now in any other place than jungle, he gets beaten by any champ which is good at that lane.

Btw folks. Which champs are ya favs on each lane.
Mine;

Solotop: Rumble/Nidalee/Riven
Jungle: Trundle/Riven
Mid: Katarina/Anivia
Bot: Vayne/Ezreal
Support: Alistar/Janna

=)

Solo top: Riven/Irelia/Gangplank
Mid: Viktor/Anivia/Twisted Fate
Bot: Ashe/Corki/Vayne/Graves
Support: Janna/Soraka




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Apr 22, 2012 2:10 PM

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@one-more-time Karthus too, 6 items he's beast too.

Ofcourse he is.

We can make up these games where every1 has 6 items. But that is not how actual games go.

t was about him saying three champions are beast late, LeB/WW/Shaco

I'm arguing that they're not that bad as you're stating, they do not "fall off" late game if played well, but it can go either way, just like with any other champion, that is why I usually don't discuss such things, because everything changes in every game, and you have to look at the certain game.

You're having this fallacy because low elo scrubs cannot play them champs well enough, especially Shaco/LB, they're one of the hardest champions to master when it comes to mid-late game. If the player has no understanding how to act with champion - he sure will fall off.
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one-more-time said:
Immahnoob said:
@one-more-time Karthus too, 6 items he's beast too.

Ofcourse he is.

We can make up these games where every1 has 6 items. But that is not how actual games go.

t was about him saying three champions are beast late, LeB/WW/Shaco

I'm arguing that they're not that bad as you're stating, they do not "fall off" late game if played well, but it can go either way, just like with any other champion, that is why I usually don't discuss such things, because everything changes in every game, and you have to look at the certain game.

You're having this fallacy because low elo scrubs cannot play them champs well enough, especially Shaco/LB, they're one of the hardest champions to master when it comes to mid-late game. If the player has no understanding how to act with champion - he sure will fall off.

I'll still keep my opinion, you'll still keep yours, can you see this isn't going anywhere? I'm a lot more stubborn than you are.




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Apr 22, 2012 2:28 PM

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Immahnoob said:
I'll still keep my opinion.

Even if Froggen/ReginaId will say that she does not fall off late game?

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Shaco is terrible now in any other place than jungle, he gets beaten by any champ which is good at that lane.

He's a Jungler since the release. Any jungler can be played in other lanes but they're most efficient in jungle.
LB is also easy to counter, Banishes counter LB hard for instance

Banshees counters any AP champion, whos's reliant on executing his combo.

But, the truth is that LB and shaco falls of lategame. End of story.

Not to be offensive, your elo?
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one-more-time said:
Immahnoob said:
I'll still keep my opinion.

Even if Froggen/ReginaId will say that she does not fall off late game?

jallan said:
Shaco is terrible now in any other place than jungle, he gets beaten by any champ which is good at that lane.

He's a Jungler since the release. Any jungler can be played in other lanes but they're most efficient in jungle.
LB is also easy to counter, Banishes counter LB hard for instance

Banshees counters any AP champion, whos's reliant on executing his combo.

But, the truth is that LB and shaco falls of lategame. End of story.

Not to be offensive, your elo?

Even so, it works at my ELO at the moment, if it's choosing to be ignorant (which IMO it's not) then so be it. If i need to change I will. I'll keep my opinion until I find it disadvantageous.




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Apr 22, 2012 2:37 PM

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Immahnoob said:
Even so, it works at my ELO at the moment, if it's choosing to be ignorant (which IMO it's not) then so be it. If i need to change I will. I'll keep my opinion until I find it disadvantageous.

I see. But I'll still try to get their opinion on this, if I'll watch their stream someday, tho Froggen is not LB player.
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one-more-time said:

I'm arguing that they're not that bad as you're stating, they do not "fall off" late game if played well, but it can go either way, just like with any other champion, that is why I usually don't discuss such things, because everything changes in every game, and you have to look at the certain game.

You're having this fallacy because low elo scrubs cannot play them champs well enough, especially Shaco/LB, they're one of the hardest champions to master when it comes to mid-late game. If the player has no understanding how to act with champion - he sure will fall off.


Exactly, "played well", means having a good start, which again means that you're snowballing just making the difference between you and your lane-enemy bigger and bigger. LB is super strong early-mid game. BUT, if she cannot get the little edge she needs, she will fall of end game.Seriously, this goes for EVERY champion, get fed, faceroll the rest of the game. LB can execute her combo with an instant, but late game she gets countered and if not extremely fed, she falls of.

She's usless after executing her combo. Free meat, useless. That's why champs like AD carries etc are better choice for end-game ownage.

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Banshees counters any AP champion, whos's reliant on executing his combo.

Banshees counter champions with skillshots/skills with high cooldowns, just like LB. Other champs like Ryze, it ain't that much of a problem because his skills are very low cooldown.

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Not to be offensive, your elo?


So my if my elo isn't high enough my opinions isn't worth listening to?
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Apr 23, 2012 1:04 AM

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Just throwing that in there:

By your logic nearly every ap carry is useless after executing their combo.
Besides Cassiopeia, Karthus, Ryze and Vladimir because their skills are on a very short cd even without cdr.
What you forget to take into account is that on cd reliant champions you will want to avoid a fight without blue buff or blue pot in late game just because that cdr is so important.
 
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jallan said:

Btw folks. Which champs are ya favs on each lane.
Mine;

Solotop: Rumble/Nidalee/Riven
Jungle: Trundle/Riven
Mid: Katarina/Anivia
Bot: Vayne/Ezreal
Support: Alistar/Janna

=)


Solotop: Lee Sin/Nasus/Rumble
Jungle: Lee Sin/Alistar/Shyvana
Mid: Ahri/cass/Ziggs
Bot: Tristana/Urgot
Support: Janna

my favorite #1 champ is lee sin, he's hard to 'master' and just so much fun to play
imo rumble is incredibly strong, i wonder why this champ is barely played.

@discussion:
shaco and LB have a strong early-mid game, if they're able to take advantage of this, they will stay strong in late game. If they don't make the most of it they will struggle more in late game than most champs.
so i agree on the 'they won't fall off if well played' point ;)
 
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Exactly, "played well", means having a good start, which again means that you're snowballing just making the difference between you and your lane-enemy bigger and bigger.

No, that is not what I mean by "playing well". Playing well is having good map awareness, helping your team, still getting good cs, basically not dropping out of game even if your team is losing.

LB is super strong early-mid game. BUT, if she cannot get the little edge she needs, she will fall of end game.Seriously, this goes for EVERY champion, get fed, faceroll the rest of the game. LB can execute her combo with an instant, but late game she gets countered and if not extremely fed, she falls of.

You see, here is the problem with low elo people - they think that you can get to late game if only fed, your'e ignoring the MOST CRUCIAL part of LB - her farming skills are very low, she cannot farm lane very well, especially if she's getting pushed. And there the bad players "fall off", because they cannot farm with LB well enough to be useful in late-game. On higher elo people start to use every single advantage to get cs, because you will not get fed that much, it's like impossible to get 10 kills in a matter of 20 minutes. Shit, on 1200, 1400, 1600 I'd have already 20 kills by 20 minute mark. But you don't get to late game only with kills, cs'ing is the most important, as well as drake-control and turrets.
As for LB - she falls off only in early game, where she's having the most trouble with farm. If you want to count her as "falls off" only because of Banshee's Veil - then you're just stupid.

She's usless after executing her combo. Free meat, useless. That's why champs like AD carries etc are better choice for end-game ownage.

I don't quite see how 1shotting AP/AD/Support, getting their Front-line to 20% hp is useles, and that in matter of max 2 seconds. And her skill cooldowns are not that big.

Banshees counter champions with skillshots/skills with high cooldowns, just like LB. Other champs like Ryze, it ain't that much of a problem because his skills are very low cooldown.

Wtf.. LB has 4 second cd on Q and 15 second cd on her Ultimate, 7~ second W, 6 second E, you call that "high cooldown"? Really...?

So my if my elo isn't high enough my opinions isn't worth listening to?

Basically yes, because you're playing with trash people and you have mindset of that elo, plus you have no idea and no understanding how people play in high elo, or what is their thought behind every move.
How many of your elo LB's can get past to 100cs, if they're geting "owned" in lane or just rely on kills? On high elo people know what to do with their champs, not go with "Omg, LB can 1shot people, SHE SO OP, I can get so fed, I don't need cs!". And if they don't get kills - they're useles because they have no farm.
"If i get fed - I will own, If no - I will be useles" is a goddamn 1200's mindset. That is one of the reasons why I never take low elo players seriously, they don't know the main aspects of the game, which will lead you to victory, and when it comes to late-game or when the game is not going so bright - they will start to panic and have no damn idea what to do and will just hug tower.
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No, that is not what I mean by "playing well". Playing well is having good map awareness, helping your team, still getting good cs, basically not dropping out of game even if your team is losing.

How will map awereness and helping your team mean have any difference if LB falls of end game or not?
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You see, here is the problem with low elo people - they think that you can get to late game if only fed, your'e ignoring the MOST CRUCIAL part of LB - her farming skills are very low, she cannot farm lane very well, especially if she's getting pushed. And there the bad players "fall off", because they cannot farm with LB well enough to be useful in late-game. On higher elo people start to use every single advantage to get cs, because you will not get fed that much, it's like impossible to get 10 kills in a matter of 20 minutes. Shit, on 1200, 1400, 1600 I'd have already 20 kills by 20 minute mark. But you don't get to late game only with kills, cs'ing is the most important, as well as drake-control and turrets.
As for LB - she falls off only in early game, where she's having the most trouble with farm. If you want to count her as "falls off" only because of Banshee's Veil - then you're just stupid.


So just higher ELO people know how important cs is? So you didn't learn how important CS actually is before you reached 1800k ELO? Damn you're slow...lol

But I guess you won't take anything I say seriously because I'm not a high e-peen 2k+ ranked wannabie streamer, so my opinions doesnt count. Roughly 12-15 cs = 1 champion kill. Just laughing at those who got under 50 cs after 30 mins, "I haz better score than you, I haz 7 kills you haz 4".

Neither did I state that LB falls of late game because of Banshees Veil, but I guess you didn't understand that. I stated that a simply item like banshees veil counters LBs burst combo.
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I don't quite see how 1shotting AP/AD/Support, getting their Front-line to 20% hp is useles, and that in matter of max 2 seconds. And her skill cooldowns are not that big.


I never said that she's useless, fact remains she's awesome early-mid. But there's a reason why it's called AD carry. They're very good end game. Idk how many times I've head extremely bad teammates, where I focus everything in farming until I can carry endgame.
Still, she's free meat after executing her combo. 5 Secs where she's pretty much useless. Right? We agree on that one at least.

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Basically yes, because you're playing with trash people and you have mindset of that elo, plus you have no idea and no understanding how people play in high elo, or what is their thought behind every move.
How many of your elo LB's can get past to 100cs, if they're geting "owned" in lane or just rely on kills? On high elo people know what to do with their champs, not go with "Omg, LB can 1shot people, SHE SO OP, I can get so fed, I don't need cs!". And if they don't get kills - they're useles because they have no farm.
"If i get fed - I will own, If no - I will be useles" is a goddamn 1200's mindset. That is one of the reasons why I never take low elo players seriously, they don't know the main aspects of the game, which will lead you to victory, and when it comes to late-game or when the game is not going so bright - they will start to panic and have no damn idea what to do and will just hug tower.


So, to understand how High elo players think....I have to be a high elo player myself? When I hit 2k my mindsett suddenly change and I'm not the Wizard of LoL Techniques? You make me laugh.
You have no idea about my history of playing LoL. From all you know, I could be 2k, or 0 elo.

You talk too much about ELO. Just because you have higher ELO doesn't mean you're the God Wizard of LoL. Stop talking so highly of yourself, please.
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jallan said:
How will map awereness and helping your team mean have any difference if LB falls of end game or not?

You still haven't understood what I'm trying to explain, she does not fall off as champion, but the player falls off playing LB, which is pretty obvious - she's one of the hardest AP champion to play in soloQ(not talking about 1200's).

So just higher ELO people know how important cs is? So you didn't learn how important CS actually is before you reached 1800k ELO? Damn you're slow...lol

Well, people start to understand that it's all about cs at around.. dunno.. 1500++? I cannot say it about every1, but for the most part, but I might be wrong. And still there people will surrender if they're behind in kills and not knowing how to come back from that.
No, I was very well aware how cs is important, because I've been playing DotA for long, long years.

But I guess you won't take anything I say seriously because I'm not a high e-peen 2k+ ranked wannabie streamer, so my opinions doesnt count. Roughly 12-15 cs = 1 champion kill. Just laughing at those who got under 50 cs after 30 mins, "I haz better score than you, I haz 7 kills you haz 4".

Exactly. Yet sometimes they say something to what I can agree, tho for the most of the time its /facepalm, and that is what you get when exploring LoL forums.
No, I'm not a wannabe streamer, you fail.

Neither did I state that LB falls of late game because of Banshees Veil, but I guess you didn't understand that. I stated that a simply item like banshees veil counters LBs burst combo.

Why would she burst some1 with BV up? I don't see logic behind it.

I never said that she's useless, fact remains she's awesome early-mid. But there's a reason why it's called AD carry. They're very good end game. Idk how many times I've head extremely bad teammates, where I focus everything in farming until I can carry endgame.
Still, she's free meat after executing her combo. 5 Secs where she's pretty much useless. Right? We agree on that one at least.

I still don't see how 1shotting AP/AD/Support, getting their Front-line to 20% hp can be counted as "falling off", she is one of the few, if not the only champion who can do such thing in matter of 2 seconds. Every AP champion becomes "useless" after executing his combo, of course if the champion is combo based not "spam all you can" type champ.
You might say - BV, I say - BV is pain to every AP.
You might say - CD's are big, I say - she has low CD's with 40% CDR, compared to other AP carries, there are many AP carries with higher cooldowns, even if their CDR is maxed.
You might say - she relies on her combo execution, I say - every AP champion, or any champion in general relies on how well they can hit their spells or autoattacks.
You might say - she gets countered easy, I say - you never pick LB before their AP carry.
You might say - there is better choices, I say - yes, always can be better choice, but it gets boring to play same champion over and over again, and better choice=/=falling off.

So, to understand how High elo players think....I have to be a high elo player myself?

Hmm, yes. You learn new things and mechanics.

When I hit 2k my mindsett suddenly change and I'm not the Wizard of LoL Techniques? You make me laugh.

No, you don't SUDDENLY become good player, you learn and practice to become one, that is how your mindset changes.

You have no idea about my history of playing LoL. From all you know, I could be 2k, or 0 elo.

I really don't care.

You talk too much about ELO. Just because you have higher ELO doesn't mean you're the God Wizard of LoL. Stop talking so highly of yourself, please.

I'm not saying that I'm "ELO God" or something, it's just I don't like how low elo scrubs misrepresent things and make up fallacies in other people minds.

I will simply ask:
Give me reasons, why does LB falls off late game? Simple as that.
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one-more-time said:
I will simply ask:
Give me reasons, why does LB falls off late game? Simple as that.


Ok, since you're so stubborn.

The reason LeBlanc falls of late game is because she doesn't have much for teamfights (which late-game is pretty much about).Yes, she can burst down a AD Carry pretty fast, but she have to get attackable range to do so. She's not like any other AP Carry, she's more like an assasin. She got extremely got 1v1 burst, but after executing that burst, she's dead meat. Neither does she have AoE like mostly any other AP Carry have, like Xeraths AoE nukes, or Annies AoE burst.

Late game is more about teamfights, and she doesn't bring very much to it. Suure she can burst down a target fast, but it's not like the AD carry runs infront yelling "taarget me please". Positioning is ofc important, but if you're not half-brain dead you wont let leblanc go and do as she wants. 1 stun and she's dead, and because she have to get into meele/attackable range, she got a much higher risk when trying to engage.

Also, she has some weaknesses. Her pushing power is weak, low farming (she got no good AoE abilites like other AP carries have that can farm/push good) and last but not least, in teamfights she's almost entirely single-target-based.

It's not because her damage gets weaker, but because she doesn't have that sustain damage like karthus/cassiopia etc.
But hey, it doesn't mean she's useless late game. She's ok, like any other champion. But she's not a late-game champion like some other AP carries.
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We did give you reasons, and your arguments are all the same. Then this means every AP is godlike late game right? Because you know, having 40% CDR, almost all rely on combos, you can pick them after they pick their AP, if she's/he's not boring it means he's/she's awesome late.

Then what about Sion? At 40% CDR he has 5.2 CD on both abilities, he relies on that combo to do damage of course, otherwise he's useless, you can always pick him after they picked LeBlanc or something similar, he's not boring at all, roaming is awesome. He must be beast late game too.

Then what about Lux? At 40% she has 6.6 CD on Q, 6 seconds on E and W and 24 seconds on her ultimate, she relies on combo to do damage of course like any AP, you can always pick him after the other guy picks something with low range and low mobility like always, you're always last pick or teammates actually swap, she's not boring either, she has skillshots, skillshots FTW they are fun, must be beast late game.

Then what about Akali? At 40% she has 2.4 CD on Q, 1.6 on E and 9 seconds for each stack of her ultimate, she relies on Q R AA Q AA E combo to do damage too, you can always pick her when there's somebody really squishy with no mobility, she's not boring either, you can win with her, the definition of fun, she must be beast late game.

And so on, and on, I can even tell you all about Annie, Brand and other AP Champions that are "beast" late game.

Of course, if you feed and let any champion farm they will be a lot better than you, it's logical.




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The reason LeBlanc falls of late game is because she doesn't have much for teamfights (which late-game is pretty much about).

No it's not only about only teamfights. It's about who makes more mistakes, like being out of position, or who gets baited. Late game is about map-control overall, you can win game with just splitpushing without forcing a teamfight. Stop focusing on them so much, you're doing it wrong.
1shoting ad/ap, leaving front line tank with 20% hp, and your team finishes him off, I wouldn't call that a "doesn't have much for teamfights".

Yes, she can burst down a AD Carry pretty fast, but she have to get attackable range to do so. She's not like any other AP Carry, she's more like an assasin. She got extremely got 1v1 burst, but after executing that burst, she's dead meat. Neither does she have AoE like mostly any other AP Carry have, like Xeraths AoE nukes, or Annies AoE burst.

You are like "Immahnoob", who is giving me examples or thinking that someone squishy as LB will jump in, knowing that she will be cc'ed and straight up die.. that is not how you play LB. To kill AD or AP carry she just needs to W out of Fog, drop DFG+Q+R+E+(maybe Ignite) and that champion is dead. If there is no such chance - you will not tunnelvision for someone you cannot kill or will more likely die without killing anyone.
You're lacking the understanding how to play Assassin-type champions.

Late game is more about teamfights, and she doesn't bring very much to it.

No it's not and yes she does bring. It can go either way. You cannot be sure for every champion you pick that you'll do flawless every game, just because "he's beast in late". LB is risky, but that risk pays off for the most of the time, even when it comes to late game. Yes, she can be easy countered just by pushing mid turret, which leaves her without farm, but so can many other champions be "countered".

Suure she can burst down a target fast, but it's not like the AD carry runs infront yelling "taarget me please". Positioning is ofc important, but if you're not half-brain dead you wont let leblanc go and do as she wants. 1 stun and she's dead, and because she have to get into meele/attackable range, she got a much higher risk when trying to engage.

This is another example of why you are, most likely, low elo player - having this mindset that YOU HAVE to focus down AD carry no matter what, every single teamfight is situational, EVERY single one. Targets can and does change several times during teamfight, tunnelvision is worst you can do in teamfights.


Also, she has some weaknesses. Her pushing power is weak, low farming (she got no good AoE abilites like other AP carries have that can farm/push good) and last but not least, in teamfights she's almost entirely single-target-based.

She can can 1 shot ranged minions with her W skill and 1 shot melee minions with her R(w) if there's a big wave. Yes, that is her weakness - farming, but so as weakness to many other champions, this is the main reason why she is so hard to play and so hard to keep up, understanding the weakness good player will use every opportunity to get some gold, forcing drake early is very easy with her - come closer and you die. Towers are not hard as well. If game comes to mid-late, she can still farm, can be a bit hard but it's doable. Let's not compare her to Sion or Morde, rofl.

It's not because her damage gets weaker, but because she doesn't have that sustain damage like karthus/cassiopia etc.

Kassadin does not have sustained damage as well, he is assassin-type ap carry just like LB. With him you have to make good decisions to do well in fights, because if you jump in with your Ultimate you can be focused down. Same thing with LB, she needs open minded player who will not tunnelvision AD carry and will use any mistake enemy does in her advantage.
Plus LB can press her W again to get back, if she kills or fails to kill some1, even if she failed to assassinate a champion that makes the fight pretty much 5x4, if champion survives - leaves him without HP.

But hey, it doesn't mean she's useless late game. She's ok, like any other champion. But she's not a late-game champion like some other AP carries.

With your logic, Kassadin can be classed as "falling off in late game" as well due to his lack of sustained damage and can be cc'ed and bursted down if he jumps in.

But you forgot one thing. Squishy assassins will not jump in knowing that they will be right away. You'd understand it if you'd have any late-game experience with these champions.


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We did give you reasons, and your arguments are all the same. Then this means every AP is godlike late game right? Because you know, having 40% CDR, almost all rely on combos, you can pick them after they pick their AP, if she's/he's not boring it means he's/she's awesome late.

Because they're good enough arguments, you're ignoring them. Your reasons make no sense to me.
Every AP champ can be Godlike late game but it does not mean they will be such, because it depends vs whom you are facing and your team.

Then what about Sion? At 40% CDR he has 5.2 CD on both abilities, he relies on that combo to do damage of course, otherwise he's useless, you can always pick him after they picked LeBlanc or something similar, he's not boring at all, roaming is awesome. He must be beast late game too.

When you get in-to late game with sion, you don't want to force teamfights, all you want is to catch someone offguard which is easy with him - flash>stun>DFG>shield pop.
Why are you giving me this shitty example of "If they pick LB or something". You don't pick LB or champs like Katarina before their AP champion. Seriously, I've explained this for so many times.

Then what about Lux? At 40% she has 6.6 CD on Q, 6 seconds on E and W and 24 seconds on her ultimate, she relies on combo to do damage of course like any AP, you can always pick him after the other guy picks something with low range and low mobility like always, you're always last pick or teammates actually swap, she's not boring either, she has skillshots, skillshots FTW they are fun, must be beast late game.

Lux is good, she has good CC(Q/E) and her shield is strong in TF's. And beastly Ulti, drop E and hit Ulti - profit.

Then what about Akali? At 40% she has 2.4 CD on Q, 1.6 on E and 9 seconds for each stack of her ultimate, she relies on Q R AA Q AA E combo to do damage too, you can always pick her when there's somebody really squishy with no mobility, she's not boring either, you can win with her, the definition of fun, she must be beast late game.

Akali is hybrid, not AP champion.
Yes, she can be beast in late, but that again depends vs whom you are facing and your team.

How many times I have to explain that everything in this game is situational and you have to look at the certain game. Every single game goes different.
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I don't know, but I'm actually talking to a friend (2.2K ELO) about what you're saying, your arguments are indeed weak, he agrees with me. Thing is I understood already that your stubborn to stupid for like two or so pages ago.

I don't know why Jallan bothered with you.




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I don't know, but I'm actually talking to a friend (2.2K ELO) about what you're saying, your arguments are indeed weak, he agrees with me. Thing is I understood already that your stubborn to stupid for like two or so pages ago.

I don't know why Jallan bothered with you.

If he's not AP nor LB player - I don't care for his opinion.

I'm not sure if you're being serious by calling my arguments "weak", while you were giving me impossible situations, impossible teamfights where everything goes by how you're thinking, <600 ap 6 item AP carry, more or less impossible choices in Champion Pick phase. Basically misrepresenting the game.

Jallan is focusing on teamfights only, where he thinks that Assassin, like LB, Kassadin, Akali will jump in and straight up die, same as you. But that is not how actual game goes, seems both of you don't understand it.
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Ahh, why do I even bother.
You state that it's all about map controll. If so (I'm not saying it's wrong), if so, being able to catch people off-guard from "the fog" and out of position should be hard.

You and that burst down 20% hp shit. We get it, you love you LB and when someone proves you wrong, you get mad.

Yeah, it's not like people say "Let's use all of our CC so LB can freely go in and burst our champs".

one-more-time said:
To kill AD or AP carry she just needs to W out of Fog, drop DFG+Q+R+E+(maybe Ignite) and that champion is dead.


But then you stated map-controll is the most important thing overall lategame. Still you make it sound so easy to "just enter the fog and burst down a champ and walk away again". Seriously, weak.

And who said I werent a AP, or even LB player? You also keep stating that I'm a low ELO player, do you even know if I actually am? So if I was 2k, my arguments would be valid eh? Lol.

So on conclusion, you love LB. And whatever valid argument we may state, you'll only overlook/push it away. This won't go anywhere. Your ELO is too high to care about others opinions, get it.
Get down from your high horse sir, seriously.
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Immahnoob said:
I don't know, but I'm actually talking to a friend (2.2K ELO) about what you're saying, your arguments are indeed weak, he agrees with me. Thing is I understood already that your stubborn to stupid for like two or so pages ago.

I don't know why Jallan bothered with you.

If he's not AP nor LB player - I don't care for his opinion.

I'm not sure if you're being serious by calling my arguments "weak", while you were giving me impossible situations, impossible teamfights where everything goes by how you're thinking, <600 ap 6 item AP carry, more or less impossible choices in Champion Pick phase. Basically misrepresenting the game.

Jallan is focusing on teamfights only, where he thinks that Assassin, like LB, Kassadin, Akali will jump in and straight up die, same as you. But that is not how actual game goes, seems both of you don't understand it.

Like "mistakes" go the way you want them to go. From what you say everything that happens is something like, all of them do mistakes that let you go melee range so you can use your entire combo without getting hit by anything, you're always 5th pick and everybody lets you go AP mid so you never got counter picked in your life, you're always like 100 CS and 10 kills over your enemy laner so you're always transitioning into late game like a total baws.

So everything in your games goes as you want them to go too it seems, you're about 6k ELO now and 100% win ratio with about 800 games in one of your smurfs too.

You know, not everybody makes mistakes, you seem not to understand the potential of a good player. In your opinion everybody is like not positioning, they go waltzing around your team to get one shot by your combos or anybody elses combos.

Yeah, I don't understand how the actual game goes, riiiiiiiiight. I don't know how people can make so many mistakes in your games man :(, I'd like to have enemies like that too.




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Yeah, I don't understand how the actual game goes, riiiiiiiiight. I don't know how people can make so many mistakes in your games man :(, I'd like to have enemies like that too.


That made me laugh xD
Prob true story, haaax!

I'll prob make a West account soon, too bad I wont have my RP there :(
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You state that it's all about map controll. If so (I'm not saying it's wrong), if so, being able to catch people off-guard from "the fog" and out of position should be hard.

When having in team champions like Sion/Kassadin/LB, it's very easy to roam around with your team and clear wards, if you see one of enemy champions on map, so not to be baited. When it comes to late, like any game will come down to Baron control, more specifically - denying enemy vision from Baron, and if possible their jungle.

You and that burst down 20% hp shit. We get it, you love you LB and when someone proves you wrong, you get mad.

No, that is not shit, that is what she actually is capable of doing in matter of 2 seconds. I cannot say that I love LB, she's simply not in my comfort zone, just like Xerath and many other champions.
Neither of you proved me being wrong, all you did is misrepresent the game in your favor.
Me getting mad? Not at all.

Yeah, it's not like people say "Let's use all of our CC so LB can freely go in and burst our champs".

S.i.t.u.a.t.i.o.n.a.l.

But then you stated map-controll is the most important thing overall lategame. Still you make it sound so easy to "just enter the fog and burst down a champ and walk away again". Seriously, weak.

I was using your and Immahnoob's logic to show how stupid it sounds.

So on conclusion, you love LB. And whatever valid argument we may state, you'll only overlook/push it away.

No, I don't love her, she's fun to play but not a champion for me. The reason why I'm arguing is that that I've met LB players, who really understand her, even in late she was huge threat, in every single game.
Well known people like ReginaId, Ocelote, SOaZ are playing her, even in tournaments.


This won't go anywhere. Your ELO is too high to care about others opinions, get it.
Get down from your high horse sir, seriously.

It's not about my elo but about your flawed thinking. You don't understand how assassin type champions are played, teamfights are not the only thing in late-game which just shows how inexperienced you are in late-phase games.
Any game does not come down to only teamfights, you have to understand that, but you're both pushing on me this teamfight bullshit, where she still shines, not always but she does.

I'd care about your opinion if you'd say anything what would make sense, but you're not, simply as that. Your inexperience shines in your flawed arguments.

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Like "mistakes" go the way you want them to go. From what you say everything that happens is something like, all of them do mistakes that let you go melee range so you can use your entire combo without getting hit by anything, you're always 5th pick and everybody lets you go AP mid so you never got counter picked in your life, you're always like 100 CS and 10 kills over your enemy laner so you're always transitioning into late game like a total baws.

No they don't.. and that's why I'm saying that every game is different and in some way unique. Like you can pick Mordekaiser and totally rape LB, but luck can turn it's back and you're going to be useles.

So everything in your games goes as you want them to go too it seems, you're about 6k ELO now and 100% win ratio with about 800 games in one of your smurfs too.

Wtf are you writing.. you were giving me examples where everything goes by your logic. Really, re-read your examples with open mind and you'll see why I don't buy in to your bullshit.

You know, not everybody makes mistakes, you seem not to understand the potential of a good player. In your opinion everybody is like not positioning, they go waltzing around your team to get one shot by your combos or anybody elses combos.

Every single LoL player make mistakes. In high elo one single mistake can cost you a game. I think it was in IPL4* where one team lost with 20k gold advantage simply because of few mistakes. I follow big tournaments, in every game people make mistakes, that means they are not good players? Oh please.

Yeah, I don't understand how the actual game goes, riiiiiiiiight. I don't know how people can make so many mistakes in your games man :(, I'd like to have enemies like that too.

It's just simply your examples are misrepresenting actual game and how it goes or can go. You state that it goes like THIS and no other way. You are ignoring splitpushing, baiting, ward coverage and many other aspects of late-game.

I can see that you have no good arguments left, tho can't say your previous were any good they showed how inexperienced with champions and late-game phase you are. Keep up with your "LOL I TROLL NOW", that is all you can do for now. Come back when you learn something new. Asking help in LoL forums doesn't count, rofl.
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Your arguments go for both sides and champions in general, mine go only for LeBlanc, as we're talking about her right?


We told you that 6 items any other AP Champ like Karthus/Cassiopeia > LeBlanc 6 items late game.


We told you that we can ward if you think of back raping one of my carries (see? I can use that argument too).


How isn't it about team fights? You usually group up with your team most of the times, you won't stay by yourself unless you're pushing a lane and you have wards and know exactly the position of the enemy.


It's situational, exactly, while Karthus can still be useful even without a team, he just needs to die in between you guys and ultimate, that said we know Karthus > LeBlanc late game.


You're using your own logic, not mine or his, that's what you said the first few posts, then you called it my logic while you were the one saying that. Alzheimer already?


Of course, every single LoL player makes mistakes, but getting out of position THAT HARD so LeBlanc can combo you, then you're a total retard.


You're talking about High ELO players, guess what, that friend of mine doesn't play LeBlanc, but he plays Top and Mid, usually Top for his team and Mid in Solo Q. He plays Fizz, Kassadin, Talon as main assassins. Of course, he has LeBlanc in his Ranked Stats too. He's 200 ELO higher than you are. So from your logic he is right without right of you contesting his opinion, as he is Higher ELO.




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Misrepresenting this and inexperienced in that.
Fine fine fine.We'll bow to you, almighty God Wizard of LoL.

Mate, we got other opinions, and just because you doesn't like em, doesn't mean we're inexperienced, low ELO folks who shall listen and suck in everything you say.

So after all this LB crap, you don't really play her that much?

All your argument is based on the way of thinking that you're "High ELO" and we're "Low ELO".
We're inexperienced, and you're a pro. Fine fine.

This wont go anywhere.

/End of beyond stupid discussion
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Misrepresenting this and inexperienced in that.
Fine fine fine.We'll bow to you, almighty God Wizard of LoL.

Mate, we got other opinions, and just because you doesn't like em, doesn't mean we're inexperienced, low ELO folks who shall listen and suck in everything you say.

So after all this LB crap, you don't really play her that much?

All your argument is based on the way of thinking that you're "High ELO" and we're "Low ELO".
We're inexperienced, and you're a pro. Fine fine.

This wont go anywhere.

/End of beyond stupid discussion

Well, it's fine if he keeps bumping this thread, it's about LoL so it's in the rules. This way I even get more posts. Then I can show my grandchildren the idiocy of the internet when I'll be a grandfather.




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Well, it's fine if he keeps bumping this thread, it's about LoL so it's in the rules. This way I even get more posts. Then I can show my grandchildren the idiocy of the internet when I'll be a grandfather.


xD

On a completely unrelated topic, I wonder how Varus will be.
Atm my favorite AD Carry is Vayne, I've read that many will be instabuying him.

What's your thoughts?
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jallan said:
Immahnoob said:

Well, it's fine if he keeps bumping this thread, it's about LoL so it's in the rules. This way I even get more posts. Then I can show my grandchildren the idiocy of the internet when I'll be a grandfather.


xD

On a completely unrelated topic, I wonder how Varus will be.
Atm my favorite AD Carry is Vayne, I've read that many will be instabuying him.

What's your thoughts?

From his current numbers he will be kinda OP IMO, his ultimate is 2 seconds with Ezreals Q range and Q is ALMOST Ezreals Q range that goes threw minions (without making it's range longer) and at max it will go over Nidalee's Q.

W's numbers are big too, 10% of max HP every 3 seconds at level 9 is quite goddamn good. E will make him even better.

So he has 2 CC's, a slow and an immobilize, a passive that relies on attack speed that does insane damage if you hit with an ability afterwards and a really long range harass. 550 Range isn't even low, knowing Graves has 25 lower range and he's ok.

Varus will be awesome, I will surely buy him. And no, i'ts not unrelated, the thread is called League of Legends, so everything about LoL is ok.




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And no, i'ts not unrelated, the thread is called League of Legends, so everything about LoL is ok.


Well, I ment it was unrelated to the current discussion we had, wrong use of words my bad ^^
I feel it seems quite good as well, I might instabuy him too :p

Any idea when he will come out? Heard in few days.
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Immahnoob said:

And no, i'ts not unrelated, the thread is called League of Legends, so everything about LoL is ok.


Well, I ment it was unrelated to the current discussion we had, wrong use of words my bad ^^
I feel it seems quite good as well, I might instabuy him too :p

Any idea when he will come out? Heard in few days.

Two weeks from the release of Hecarim, they won't rush another patch this fast IMO (just IMO, I hope they will release him tomorrow if they could XD).




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Immahnoob said:
jallan said:
Immahnoob said:

And no, i'ts not unrelated, the thread is called League of Legends, so everything about LoL is ok.


Well, I ment it was unrelated to the current discussion we had, wrong use of words my bad ^^
I feel it seems quite good as well, I might instabuy him too :p

Any idea when he will come out? Heard in few days.

Two weeks from the release of Hecarim, they won't rush another patch this fast IMO (just IMO, I hope they will release him tomorrow if they could XD).


Hehe yeah. I forgot when Hecarim came..last week?
Oh well, a bit over a week to go then ^^
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Your arguments go for both sides and champions in general, mine go only for LeBlanc, as we're talking about her right?

Because I see LB as a part of a team, not playing alone vs 5 people where all of them have some kind of CC.

We told you that 6 items any other AP Champ like Karthus/Cassiopeia > LeBlanc 6 items late game.

They will be better all the time only in your impossible examples, you seem still don't understand that game can go either way. People don't simply clump up against Cassio or Karthus, if they do - they're screwed, because those champs will not forgive such mistake, just like LB will not forgive if you lose caution for a split second.

We told you that we can ward if you think of back raping one of my carries (see? I can use that argument too).

You can't ward every single place in map, especially when your support lacks space for wards. And it depends on the actual place where the fight is happening, is it open field or with walls/trees. Plus both teams will be clearing wards, it comes down which catches other offguard.

How isn't it about team fights? You usually group up with your team most of the times, you won't stay by yourself unless you're pushing a lane and you have wards and know exactly the position of the enemy.

It depends on your team comp. Is it for teamfights, splitpushing, catching enemy offguard, poking. You cannot teamfight with poking team vs teamfight team. If LB is in your team.. you really don't want to force a fight in bad spot.

It's situational, exactly, while Karthus can still be useful even without a team, he just needs to die in between you guys and ultimate, that said we know Karthus > LeBlanc late game.

Karthus will flash in when teamfight happens, but playing vs LB most likely will play safe. If Karthus decides to jump in LB can use this chance to kill him, if team is smart enough - they will get out of it, if team has Janna - even better.

If he gets between every1 - he's screwed by LB, because she will just 1shot him instantly, that is what you wait for Karthus to do - Flash in and die. Then comes the part on which we can speculate - what other champions do both teams have, lets say that LB's team have Janna - she will just ult away every1 else so they cannot keep LB's team under Karthus's E skill, when Karthus's passive ends - the fight is 5x4, LB has only 15 second CD on her ultimate. But it can go in opposite way, Karthus's team have Jarvan, he ults 4 people, who have no escape and they all die to Karthus.
The flaw in your examples is like you imagine this fight, where karthus drops wall and your entire team drops their magical CC's and enemy dies. You're ignoring here enemy team, completely. You know that fights depend on champions each side have and which side makes a mistake. But all the time you're making up these examples which favor you.

You're using your own logic, not mine or his, that's what you said the first few posts, then you called it my logic while you were the one saying that. Alzheimer already?

I called it your logic because you go by such - you make up these examples, where nothing can go wrong, everything is perfect, enemy team will play stupid, etc.


Of course, every single LoL player makes mistakes, but getting out of position THAT HARD so LeBlanc can combo you, then you're a total retard.

Not at all.
If she cannot catch some1 out of position then she just kills bruiser, easy as that.


You're talking about High ELO players, guess what, that friend of mine doesn't play LeBlanc, but he plays Top and Mid, usually Top for his team and Mid in Solo Q. He plays Fizz, Kassadin, Talon as main assassins. Of course, he has LeBlanc in his Ranked Stats too. He's 200 ELO higher than you are. So from your logic he is right without right of you contesting his opinion, as he is Higher ELO.

I'm not going to listen in-to person who does not understand the full potential of the playable character. I'd listen to ReginaId, Ocelote, SOaZ, not your random 2,2k elo friend.

Sure, he can try to argue with me, but will he succeed? I don't think so.


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All your argument is based on the way of thinking that you're "High ELO" and we're "Low ELO".

Not at all. I'm basing my arguments on how she is played by people who does understand her mechanics, most known people for LB are ReginaId, SOaZ, Ocelote, . I've faced good late-game LB's. I've been one of those late-game LB's, where in fact both teams were +-equal.

Misrepresenting this and inexperienced in that.
Fine fine fine.We'll bow to you, almighty God Wizard of LoL.

I'm not here to gain humility nor to win argument. It's funny to see how you try to argue with me, you simply run out of ideas, and the arguments/examples you give just shows that you actually don't understand much of this game. At least you're not like Immahnoob, who runs to LoL community to ask for help, rofl.

So after all this LB crap, you don't really play her that much?

I might have around 80~ games on my smurfs+normal games. I don't play her in Rankeds on my main, simply because she's not in my comfort zone, yet I can play her very, very well.
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jallan said:
Immahnoob said:
jallan said:
Immahnoob said:

And no, i'ts not unrelated, the thread is called League of Legends, so everything about LoL is ok.


Well, I ment it was unrelated to the current discussion we had, wrong use of words my bad ^^
I feel it seems quite good as well, I might instabuy him too :p

Any idea when he will come out? Heard in few days.

Two weeks from the release of Hecarim, they won't rush another patch this fast IMO (just IMO, I hope they will release him tomorrow if they could XD).


Hehe yeah. I forgot when Hecarim came..last week?
Oh well, a bit over a week to go then ^^

Yeah, around a week or so. I just hope they'll keep the numbers XD, in two weeks if they don't hotfix I'll get to 2.2k ELO with him trolololol.




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He lookes kinda awesome as well, dat Varus. LF too it. ^^ But damn, the forum will be flooded with "QQ nerf varus he OP" threads ayay :p
Damn...these reddit arts that comes rly makes me want to learn GFX :p
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Ohhhh Varus looks pretty sweet, although it reminds me of a very similar hero from heroes of newerth *cough* copy copy haha :P

Solo Top : Jarvan / Olaf / Vlad
AP Mid : Vlad / Ryze (Not leblanc trollololol, JK dont rage :o)
Jungler : Shyvana / Skarner / Mundo
Ad Carry : ASHE FTW / Corki / Kogmaw
Support : Janna / Soraka

Those are the champs i play the most, im a big fan of the Clan TSM ^^ Just simply look up to Chaox / Dyrus / Oddone, simply funny lads who provide some sweet entertainment! :)
 
Apr 23, 2012 1:46 PM

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He lookes kinda awesome as well, dat Varus. LF too it. ^^ But damn, the forum will be flooded with "QQ nerf varus he OP" threads ayay :p
Damn...these reddit arts that comes rly makes me want to learn GFX :p

To be honest his art looks nice except his furry legs. It looks a bit gay. Like I don't know those legs make me go something like:
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Hitler was good, objectively.
 
Apr 23, 2012 1:47 PM

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Yeah, around a week or so. I just hope they'll keep the numbers XD, in two weeks if they don't hotfix I'll get to 2.2k ELO with him trolololol.

His ult sure looks broken.. I might pick that guy up, I like his concept, wonder if he has any AP scaling.

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Running out of "ideas" is not the problem. The problem is when the person you're trying to argue with is so ignorant/stubborn that he/she just won't give up and keep trying to turn the other part around to agree with him- or herself. We have different opinions and we won't agree with you, and you won't agree with us.
This is the LoL community after all.

You're trying to argue with much more experienced player, plus he has very good understanding of the particular champion, while none of you have it. Immahnoob is judging her only by players he have met in his games, which is pretty ignorant. Difference between 1800 and 2k+ elo LB's is significant.

It's just you don't see things I can, I'm seriously trying to watch at your examples with an open mind but they just don't make any sense and are like impossible to have in the actual game.

I'm showing where your arguments are wrong but both of you still stick to them by like you'll die if you'll acknowledge that you were wrong.

You remind me of my dad, kinda. Lol

Dõmo, dõmo.
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His name "Varus" is something related to like some sort of mythology about like arrows and crystalised legs or somefin, so thats why they look like "furry legs." Ingame he doesnt seem to bad, just the way he walks kinda bugs me...
 
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Ooh Jarvan, I've actually never gotten to buy him. If he goes on sale Ima buy him ^^
Dyres eh, he's streaming on own3d.tv like 24/7 xD

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Apr 23, 2012 1:52 PM

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Why wonder when you can find out?

http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Varus_the_Arrow_of_Retribution

He was shown in the PAX Gaming Event supposedly, so people found out his ratio's, there was a few vids of him on Youtube like a week ago, dunnoo if he been taken down tho! :)
 
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His name "Varus" is something related to like some sort of mythology about like arrows and crystalised legs or somefin, so thats why they look like "furry legs." Ingame he doesnt seem to bad, just the way he walks kinda bugs me...

Google Varus and you'll see the truth.

Hint: the Game starts with S and ends with M.


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Hitler was good, objectively.
 
Apr 23, 2012 1:56 PM

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Immahnoob said:
Edob0b said:
His name "Varus" is something related to like some sort of mythology about like arrows and crystalised legs or somefin, so thats why they look like "furry legs." Ingame he doesnt seem to bad, just the way he walks kinda bugs me...

Google Varus and you'll see the truth.

Hint: the Game starts with S and ends with M.


Ive read the full story about his legs a while back just cant remember, about the Googling varus thing no luck, cant see a game with S and M lol
 
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Edob0b said:
Immahnoob said:
Edob0b said:
His name "Varus" is something related to like some sort of mythology about like arrows and crystalised legs or somefin, so thats why they look like "furry legs." Ingame he doesnt seem to bad, just the way he walks kinda bugs me...

Google Varus and you'll see the truth.

Hint: the Game starts with S and ends with M.


Ive read the full story about his legs a while back just cant remember, about the Googling varus thing no luck, cant see a game with S and M lol

http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=2007495


HUEHUEHUE.




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Well I'm not really good playing in league of legends but I'm really good in playing dota :D Akali and garen my favorite hero :)
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MenmaKawaii said:
Akali and garen my favorite hero :)

Thanks, I'll pick up Garen again when I get back to LoL, that champ.. fun times.. fun times.
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MenmaKawaii said:
Akali and garen my favorite hero :)

Thanks, I'll pick up Garen again when I get back to LoL, that champ.. fun times.. fun times.


Bushhugger Garen? Ayay. DEMAACIA!!!!
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