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May 26, 2008 8:11 PM
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THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE.
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Trading in one form of tyranny for another. From the hints given by the narrator it sounds like the people won't be celebrating their Free Planets Alliance 'liberators' for very long. Wait until they meet the PKC...

Reinhard's plan to essentially bleed the Free Planets Alliance dry as they make their way deeper into Empire territory looks great on the surface. Yang predicted it but he's in no position to impact a major change yet. Now the question is how will the FPA respond and what will the ramifications be in the long run? Even if Reinhard succeeds in driving them back there is still the chance that any reclaimed territories may not want a peaceable return of the old regime.

...even a saint needs a soldier to do the dirty work.
 
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Jun 10, 2008 9:41 PM

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Yeah, Yang now has less than an 8th of contol of the Alliance while Reinhard, Kircheis and Oberstein have 100%. So I am expexting something big for the alliance to make it even close. Though we don't know how many fleets the Empire has yet.
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Aug 8, 2008 12:15 PM

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The Alliance is so screwed. I don't think any of the higher-ups believe this will work. Even the guy who made the invasion plan is only using it as a way to get a promotion.
 
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Aug 5, 2009 2:39 PM

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This episode had all kinds of bad vibes coming from it. I'm expecting domination whether it be on the surface or out in space.
 
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Sep 15, 2009 12:07 PM

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Nice ep I guess (better than the 9 and the 12 anyway).
I thought this episode would have some action but at least it didn't have any.
 
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Dec 21, 2009 2:15 AM

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nice ep...
tho it was sad that that lady with her boy didnt come with that man...
anyway next ep should be nice
 
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Jun 16, 2010 3:40 PM
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So... is the entire planet's population concentrated on that one town? :/

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Aug 1, 2010 7:13 PM

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Yeah, that one horse town will really bleed the Alliance fleet of 3.000.000 people dry...
 
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Aug 22, 2010 4:07 PM

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adamantine said:
So... is the entire planet's population concentrated on that one town? :/

that's what i was wondering too lol

yeah i don't give the FPA many chances unfortunately :-(

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Nov 16, 2010 2:24 PM

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Amazing so much emotonal in one episode even though I only got to know them for like 5 minutes.
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Jul 10, 2011 8:48 PM

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danz said:
Yeah, that one horse town will really bleed the Alliance fleet of 3.000.000 people dry...

The invasion hasn't even started yet. Wait until they have invaded a long number of planets and their supplies will run short.
 
Jul 31, 2011 1:01 PM
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30 million soldiers...it just doesn't seem like that would have been an easy task to suply them anyway.
 
Aug 23, 2011 4:20 PM
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Reinhard: Kircheis... on a beautiful night like this, somewhere a small unnamed star is stealthily going out. Therefore, other stars will increase their radiance in that star's place.
Kircheis: Because of the sacrifice of the star that vanished?
Reinhard: No... because of fate. Tonight will probably be a long night...
--- the next morning ---
Reinhard: It's as if the rain fell somewhere else, isn't it? Strange... when rain is falling, it mysteriously makes the heart heavy. But once it's over, it displays everything beautifully.
Kircheis: Maybe rain is just the tears of that nameless, extinguished star.
Reinhard: You're a poet.
Kircheis: No, just sentimental.

lol those two guys are hilarious. It's like they're pillow-talking astronomers. Still the theme of their conversation was pretty relavent to the Empire's backwater planets. Specifically, the inevitable sacrifices they and their people (including Kesler) are forced to make, for the sake of bigger stars' ambitions.

Kesler isn't personally interesting, even later in the series, but especially right now. His past was such a soldier cliche. Funny though, that while his life seems cheesy, the same idea directly expressed in a conversation comes off better.
 
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This episode showed painfully the weaknesses of most if not all space series. On Earth we not only have many countries, but even within one country there are several cultures. Yet, this series has a huge empire consisting of a number of planets with a seemingly similar culture everywhere. It's the same in all sci-fi so I should probably overlook it: space is treated like an ocean, planets are small kingdoms, and empires spanning hundreds of planets are like countries.

So when it comes to the planet in this episode, not only did it seem that it's one village, but I'm wondering what the inhabitants do all day. The climate looks temperate, perfect for farming, yet they are in desperate need of Spam supplies.

Is it really true then that most planets in the empire are not self-sufficient and the cost of transporting tins of beef from other planets is actually lower than raising cattle locally? Maybe they're mass-producing beef on some single planet. but it hardly makes sense to transport it around the galaxy. Yes, it's possible that the Empire took away this year's harvest, but still there would be cattle left not to mention naturally growing edible things.
 
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Feorg said:
So when it comes to the planet in this episode, not only did it seem that it's one village, but I'm wondering what the inhabitants do all day. The climate looks temperate, perfect for farming, yet they are in desperate need of Spam supplies.

Is it really true then that most planets in the empire are not self-sufficient and the cost of transporting tins of beef from other planets is actually lower than raising cattle locally? Maybe they're mass-producing beef on some single planet. but it hardly makes sense to transport it around the galaxy. Yes, it's possible that the Empire took away this year's harvest, but still there would be cattle left not to mention naturally growing edible things.


You missed the point. Reinhard's scorched earth campaign is a temporary measure: even though the frontier planets will be able to sustain themselves in the future, they've lost their ability to sustain themselves in the present and will be forced to draw from the reserves of the Alliance's invasion force. Having the ability to farm arable land and having the ability to tend to livestock mean nothing when you don't have enough food on hand to last a week.
 
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You missed the point. Reinhard's scorched earth campaign is a temporary measure: even though the frontier planets will be able to sustain themselves in the future, they've lost their ability to sustain themselves in the present and will be forced to draw from the reserves of the Alliance's invasion force. Having the ability to farm arable land and having the ability to tend to livestock mean nothing when you don't have enough food on hand to last a week.


Yes, they did lose the ability in the present and that's what ultimately made them angry. But that wasn't my point. I was obviously a bit unclear; I didn't mean to imply that the colonists can get new crops instantaneously. What I wanted to question was the idea that once the Empire took away all the supplies there was nothing left to eat anywhere on the planet. In other words, I find it hard to believe that the Empire is able to cripple the food supply of a colony so completely in a space era.

Imagine Iceland is the only country in the world and their food supplies are taken away. Suddenly aliens from outer space come to rescue. In the LotGH logic the aliens bring tins of Spam from light years away. But the Earth has plenty of wildlife and edible plants even if nothing is left in Iceland. Surely it would make more sense to gather food from uninhabited areas? Because the colonies are so small in population compared to the size of any planet, there should be no need to bring in any supplies if you can travel to the other side of the planet in a matter of minutes if not seconds.
 
Jul 28, 2012 4:32 PM

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Luthimal said:

Kircheis: Because of the sacrifice of the star that vanished?
Reinhard: No... because of fate. Tonight will probably be a long night...


that look of concern on kircheis spoke volumes, i sure hope Reinhard won't end up taking the wrong path somewhere
 
Jul 22, 2013 10:47 PM

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All is going well according to Reinhard.....Yang gonna have trouble with this hehe...
 
Sep 11, 2013 7:14 PM

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Love the plan, my only concern would be what if they alliance didn't immediately charge forward? Instead set up camp on the outer planets they have now "liberated".
 
Feb 10, 2014 1:47 AM

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Love the plan, my only concern would be what if they alliance didn't immediately charge forward? Instead set up camp on the outer planets they have now "liberated".
That woild be valid concern, except Reinhard probably knows that Alliance leaders are warmongers that just want to kick Empires ass and aren't especially concerned about supply lines.
 
Jun 2, 2014 8:48 AM

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ok episode but it its all set up for the next episode which seems way more interesting. That guy who likes that one chick(scholarly statement right there) is so dead.

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Sep 25, 2014 6:07 AM

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Great episode. I was really captured by the story between Vier and Ulrich. Pity that Vier stayed behind. Young Vier = BEAUTIFUL.

I'm going to be blunt. I disapprove with Reinhard's plan. Yes it is smart, but standing in the citizens shoes I could only feel hate towards the Empire. The "rebels" are invading and here the Empire comes and takes all our food and goods. Lets be realistic, even if the Empire DOES win in the end wouldn't the victims of this plan dislike the Empire even more??! Wouldn't this backfire??
Don't get me wrong, I'm definitely not on the Alliance's side however I cannot accept the way that the people suffer from this plan.

Oh well. Still a good episode. Looking forward to the next one too!
 
Oct 29, 2014 4:43 PM

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adamantine said:
So... is the entire planet's population concentrated on that one town? :/

Now that I think about it.....lol.
 
Feb 4, 2015 9:53 AM

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Nice episode, quite interesting development. Let's see what's next!
 
Feb 7, 2015 11:58 AM

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This is a very risky strategy they are doing here. If it works out, then they will have a major victory. Lets see who will win.
 
May 7, 2015 2:13 PM

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Slow episode in the beginning, but its just the calm before the storm, or something like that.
 
May 23, 2015 3:14 PM

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Weakest episode so far, but still decent.
 
Jun 20, 2015 5:48 AM

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Alliance are screwed! I await their impending failure :3
 
Aug 6, 2015 9:40 AM

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good episode cant wait how it plays out
 
Aug 10, 2015 11:47 PM

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A daring plan. But since it's Reinhard's, it'll be a success for sure! :D
Can't wait to see what will Yang manage to save and how ^-^

Also: "You're a poet.
No, just sentimental."
Sieg is such a charmer :3
 
Dec 28, 2015 3:17 PM

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This episode was far better than the last episode where the characters sit down in one place and talk for the entire episode. 3/5. Nothing amazing but was fairly enjoyable.
 
Apr 17, 2016 10:17 PM

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Pretty impressive tactic, however I'm feeling it won't last long and might backfire.
 
Apr 24, 2016 5:32 PM

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adamantine said:
So... is the entire planet's population concentrated on that one town? :/

Given that only three ships apparently stripped the whole planet of supplies, I guess so!

I'm surprised to hear that the population of the Empire is 25 billion given the number of bright dots on that map we keep seeing (it's the Empire on the right-hand side, correct?). It seems a very low figure; that's only a few times the population of Earth at the time this story was written. We've seen that in a large battle that goes badly a fleet can lose millions of soldiers very quickly. How could they sustain this for 150 years? Are big battles are actually very rare?

The latest supposed genius plan is at a bit fishy as usual. Is there some reason Reinhard is completely certain the Alliance will swallow this bait wholesale? What if they realize what he's doing and slow down the invasion so that conquered planets can start supporting themselves again? That would be something of a win for the Empire in delaying the Alliance so much for so little effort, but it would also be a humiliation as the Empire's enemies take and hold territory with no resistance. That affects military and civilian morale and thereby willingness to fight so not it's not merely a matter of pride.

Once again the success of one of this story's two golden boys will depend on their enemies willfully ignoring the basics of warcraft but I have little doubt the plot will accommodate.
 
May 30, 2016 10:27 AM

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So far everything is going according to Reinhard's plans, let's see how long that will last.
 
Oct 16, 2016 5:34 PM

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The tactics are simply brilliant.
Great Episode.
 
Dec 20, 2016 12:00 AM

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The Reinhard´s contrivance give his first steps, and this is solid respect the Fork/alianza idea!!!


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Feb 6, 2018 11:05 PM
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had great effect, put the device of uprising in there...
 
Apr 18, 2018 9:09 AM
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Don’t get hung up on details. We only saw three ships, but no local Imperial fleet would have been able to fend the Alliance megafleet off. The episode makes its point, and it’s the emotional weight of the story that counts.

Another solid episode that builds suspense and teases the inevitable (?) clash between Yang and Reinhard.
 
Aug 29, 2018 3:17 PM

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I respect the choice made my the Viscount. He honoured the Empire's plan, his family, and his subjects to the best he could.
 
Nov 22, 2018 2:43 PM

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That old man is such a great character
 
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I've been wanting to see more about how the common people live in the empire. So far all we've really seen are aristocrats, but with that usually comes massive poverty. These people seem like they're doing pretty good though. I'd like to see what it's like for the poorest people living under the less than noble lords and know what percentage that is of the population.
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