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Dec 20, 2009 1:32 PM

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Oberstein is a sneaky bastard)

anyway nice ep
 
Aug 19, 2010 4:35 PM

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well the "suicide" scene was a bit brutal...but the b!tch deserved it

now it's flagel's turn or wth is his name :p

4/5
Sayonara,papa!


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Nov 16, 2010 1:29 PM

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It sounded like Paul said "Fuck" when he dodged the shot and hid.

Also, that wasn't a suicide, they forced the wine on her!!
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Jul 9, 2011 6:51 PM

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Very good episode.
 
Jul 30, 2011 1:26 PM
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"An Actress Exit" - Not exactly a suicide...
 
Aug 20, 2011 6:56 PM
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Reinhard: I had a dream last night. A dream of when we were children. When the three of us - you, me and my sister - were together.
Kircheis: Sometimes I wonder which is reality, then or now? Maybe now is just a dream. Am I wandering in a long gallery of dreams? There are times when I think so. One day the dream fades, and I return to another day. When you and I were children, and Lady Annerose was still with us. And then I'd say to Lady Annerose: "I had a dream. Reinhard and I became soldiers, important men commanding warships and going to the ends of the universe."

Maybe it's like a ritual for Reinhard and Kircheis to have intense conversations every nightfall. All they need is one look at the stars, and BAM time to philosophize.
Kircheis really is a fucking cool dude. Handled the hostage situation like a pro too. Very chill and rational.
 
Apr 12, 2012 1:47 PM

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Oberstein, you are so Machiavellian.

I love the philosophy of Reinhard and Siegfried's balcony conversation. And how Reinhard snaps them back to reality with the line, "which reminds me of why I called you."

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In a lot of fiction, the person who ends up just barely escaping death, always ends up forgiving their assassin. I dunno if its like that in real life.


It's probably very similar to Stockholm Syndrome.
 
Jul 22, 2013 9:05 PM

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WHOA so Dramatic! DAMN that Bitch! Suitful punishment! And Oborstein (gonna call him that instead of Paul) is always one step ahead, Cautious genius right there.

I'm starting too see things in a new light, My first impression was the Galactic Empire is the evil one so Reinhard serves the evil side, but actually any evil done was done by the past ancestors in history. Neither Reinhard or Yang are bad guys, in fact both are good guys, but fate makes them walk separate paths.
 
Sep 11, 2013 6:38 AM

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I feel bad for Benemunde. I mean ... The Kaizer just threw her away, you would think someone like him wouldn't do something like that (I mean earlier he sounded semi-wise), but then again it does make him a bit more interesting. Proclaiming that the royalty has become stagnant and yet he himself is part of the problem.
 
Sep 19, 2013 8:04 PM

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Luthimal said:
Reinhard: I had a dream last night. A dream of when we were children. When the three of us - you, me and my sister - were together.
Kircheis: Sometimes I wonder which is reality, then or now? Maybe now is just a dream. Am I wandering in a long gallery of dreams? There are times when I think so. One day the dream fades, and I return to another day. When you and I were children, and Lady Annerose was still with us. And then I'd say to Lady Annerose: "I had a dream. Reinhard and I became soldiers, important men commanding warships and going to the ends of the universe."

Maybe it's like a ritual for Reinhard and Kircheis to have intense conversations every nightfall. All they need is one look at the stars, and BAM time to philosophize.


LOL THIS. And the fact that you bothered to type out the quote.

Not an episode I cared for much. I'm rarely interested in jealous women plots.
 
Apr 9, 2014 6:05 AM

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Yeh until this episode I didn't realize that Anerose was taken for sexual purposes although i was suspicious. Then i checked and saw that she was Imperial Consort, so that cleared up any doubt. That is a pretty sickening system they have in place, and I am the furthest thing from a feminist or a female sympathizer. While Planetary Alliance is corrupt to the core, it seems like the lesser of 2 evils (just barely) and (slightly) preferable over the Galactic Empire.

2 Important links for anyone confused about the Military Rank Hierarchy- Just avoid looking at the example's of people in that position since it can have spoilers from later in the show. You can just look at the content list at the top for a list of positions from low to high if you don't want explanations of the positions which aren't really relevant imo.

Free Planets Alliance
http://gineipaedia.com/wiki/Military_ranks_of_the_Free_Planets_Alliance

Galactic Empire
http://gineipaedia.com/wiki/Military_ranks_of_the_Galactic_Empire
 
Jun 1, 2014 12:31 PM

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I realized she was taken for sexual reasons right away. Poor Annerose. I find her to be dull and kind of boring, but hr sad back story is very sad.

This was a great episode. Jealous crazy nobles are fun.
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Jun 1, 2014 9:52 PM

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Fujaku said:
I realized she was taken for sexual reasons right away. Poor Annerose. I find her to be dull and kind of boring, but hr sad back story is very sad.

This was a great episode. Jealous crazy nobles are fun.


I didn't say I was ignorant of that being the likely reason behind her capture, just that this episode confirmed things beyond a doubt and gave us more information, including what that entails.
 
Jun 1, 2014 11:03 PM

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Ill be honest this is the first episode of the series i didnt like. almost entirely because benumunde's plan made absolutely no sense. So the plan was that they were gonna make annarose look like she committed adultry against the king by drugging her and putting her next to a commoner. They even make it so they hire thugs to capture annarose so they dont get any suspician.....so why the fuck would Benumunde just walk up to annrose IN PERSON, lay out her exact goal and intentions making the entire plan fall flat even if Sieg hadnt come to save the day since annarose could just easily tell someone like reinhard or seig what actually happened before any punishment is commited upon her in which they would probably clear things up.

So yeah first episode and hopefully only episode that really bothered me.

Immahnoob said:
Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit,

tokiyashiro said:

Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me

 
Jun 1, 2014 11:32 PM

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Ill be honest this is the first episode of the series i didnt like. almost entirely because benumunde's plan made absolutely no sense. So the plan was that they were gonna make annarose look like she committed adultry against the king by drugging her and putting her next to a commoner. They even make it so they hire thugs to capture annarose so they dont get any suspician.....so why the fuck would Benumunde just walk up to annrose IN PERSON, lay out her exact goal and intentions making the entire plan fall flat even if Sieg hadnt come to save the day since annarose could just easily tell someone like reinhard or seig what actually happened before any punishment is commited upon her in which they would probably clear things up.

So yeah first episode and hopefully only episode that really bothered me.


My friend none of this was OPTIONAL. This plan was going to be done AGAINST Anerose's will. She wouldn't have any say in the matter... Benemunde didn't walk up to Anerose, Anerose was CAPTURED and brought to an out of the way place to be used for the plan. She was not going to escape (barring getting saved by Kircheis), and the damage to her reputation would be irreperable once she was caught with a commoner in a compromising position. The whole "i was framed" excuse would be meaningless, and only death would be in store for Annarose after that.

As an aside, sure Kircheis and Reinhard would believe Annarose is innocent, but that would be futile as well. After Annerose's shameful and treasonous conduct, Reinhard would be hardpressed to stay alive, forget about retaining his illustrious position (ofcourse he wouldn't just cave in and whimper and die, but the goals of the nobles at this point would have been accomplished). It would be expected that Reinhard would come to her defense Post Facto, and as such it will be meaningless. The honest truth is that even IF the kaiser KNEW she was setup, if the public and other nobles found out about her being with a commoner, he would have NO CHOICE but to exile her or condemn her to death, regardless of what he thought. It would be a manner of saving face for the sake of the Position and Honor of Kaiser, and even if he thinks fondly of Annarose and believed in her innocence that would make no difference.

I admit that perhaps it can be slightly confusing since the capture and hijacking seemed relatively "civilized". This is the way the nobles operate. Even something like Suicide as a punishment is done in ceremony and a formal manner, preferably with "psuedo" consent in the form of swallowing poison from a Champagne Glass.
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Jul 14, 2014 8:06 PM

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Confucius said:
It sounded like Paul said "Fuck" when he dodged the shot and hid.

Also, that wasn't a suicide, they forced the wine on her!!


Glad I wasn't the only one that heard that XD.

Also, that "suicide" was shameful and brutal :(. I'd hate to see how the actual executions go if this is their version of "mercy".
 
Sep 5, 2014 6:15 PM

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Yessss that bitch got what she deserved.

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Oct 28, 2014 8:03 PM

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Can't help but feel sorry for Benemunde. Don't get me wrong, she was a total bitch, but getting ditched for a 15 year old, completely ignored for years and finally ending up getting forced to commit "suicide" by order of the person she loved was pretty fucked up.
 
Feb 3, 2015 3:19 PM

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A nice episode in general, I do wonder how much trickery will be done to get him down! But well let's see what's next.
 
Feb 7, 2015 8:07 AM

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This assassination subplot was very good. The only problem was that the Marquis waited way too long to kill her. She took to long to poison Annerose and she could have just done it in the car or something. Other than that, it was very good. I loved the way that Reindhart said "don't think you'll get away with that again" to the other guy who wanted him dead at the end. It reminded me a lot of that part in Berserk when
 
May 2, 2015 11:42 PM

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I always thought Annerose was like 30+. I guess it's the way she carries herself..

Marquise Benemude is a complete idiot. Why not befriend Annerose instead and then give her the wine while sharing a drink with a "friend?" Surely it would have been a better plan instead of kidnapping her, drugging the drink infront of her, and then explaining in details how you are about to ruin her image. I do feel a bit sad for her though.

I think this episode is setting up a much bigger feud between Reinhard and Flegel(?) for later on in the story.

Kircheis winning more best bro points by saving the sister of his best friend also.
 
May 6, 2015 9:14 PM

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Good episode, quite serious towards the end.
 
May 21, 2015 9:14 PM

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Loved this episode. I love how LoGH will have an episode like this that'll feature a minor character that we won't see again, but it adds more depth to the world and even adds a bit to the overarching plot.

I loved Benemude's over the top drama, but I can see where she's coming from. Kinda. lol.
 
May 23, 2015 12:20 PM

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Fantastic episode, my favourite so far. She deserved to die though, how dare she spitted on Reinhard's face ? Disgraceful bitch lmao.
 
May 27, 2015 11:57 AM

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I find this anime really interesting. I love both main characters so far. The FPA seems more high tech and modern and the Empire being like 1800s royalty. I enjoy both societies but I definitely find the workings and schemes of the Imperial Court more interesting so far. Reminds me of the count of Monte Cristo in a way.

Am I rooting for the Empire or FPA? I really don't even know. What I enjoy the most is these guys quickly coming
up the ranks and gaining power in their respective societies. I'm really interested in who my fav character out of these two will be by the end of the anime!
 
Jun 20, 2015 4:04 AM

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I definitely enjoyed this episode. The women got what she deserved.
 
Jun 30, 2015 8:31 AM

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She took her time in trying to kill her.
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Jul 16, 2015 2:49 PM

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Annerose is too much of a goody. Try to forgive the Sussana? I think not. I would've helped hold her down and forced the poison down her throat.

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Aug 5, 2015 6:57 PM

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that was stupid
 
Aug 10, 2015 10:49 PM

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Marquise Benemude was beautiful.
Oh well, a sad destiny.
Many would act the way she did.
 
Dec 10, 2015 11:36 AM

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Is there any poison in the world that can kill someone in just seconds?? Anyways decent episode.
 
May 30, 2016 9:14 AM

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That wasn't no damn suicide, they straight up just killed the bitch! xD

I just love Reinhard's composure throughout the whole episode, you can tell he was ready to pop off at any given moment but held back.
 
Oct 15, 2016 5:03 PM

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Best episode so far, I smell a masterpiece now.
Oh the music, amazing :D
 
Apr 14, 2017 8:39 PM

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Somehow by the look of that annoying girl, she deserved to die and she was killed in a cruel way.
 
Aug 22, 2017 8:23 AM
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It's not just that Marquise Benemunde deserved to die, but that she was far too dangerous to be kept alive.
 
Jan 10, 2018 9:02 AM

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The emperor is an asshole. And so is Baron Flegel. Also, weird how forcing someone to drink poison is considered suicide in the Empire.
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Jan 10, 2018 10:03 AM
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The emperor is an asshole. And so is Baron Flegel. Also, weird how forcing someone to drink poison is considered suicide in the Empire.


Nobles, being what they are, have this sense of importance and pride. They're told from birth that they are simply superior in all ways with noble blood, etc. So anyway, this breeds a sense of baseless pride and dedication to... themselves. Such high expectations commonly lead to nobles obviously being pretty pompous and foolish. However, the other side of a noble could mean they were overly critical of themselves, seeking perfection and not allowing for failure. These types of nobles took failure as equal to losing face. So in some cases, to be dishonored and to fail so hard would result in a noble genuinely convinced that they must take their own life to make up for their unforgivable failure.

So anyway, they reported her murder as suicide because the whole debacle pretty much meant this was the only way she could retain some honor given the circumstances. She was too dangerous and obsessed to let live, but Friedrich felt bad for her and so allowed for this "suicide".
 
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Pink_Noodle_Hair said:
SzJ said:
The emperor is an asshole. And so is Baron Flegel. Also, weird how forcing someone to drink poison is considered suicide in the Empire.


Nobles, being what they are, have this sense of importance and pride. They're told from birth that they are simply superior in all ways with noble blood, etc. So anyway, this breeds a sense of baseless pride and dedication to... themselves. Such high expectations commonly lead to nobles obviously being pretty pompous and foolish. However, the other side of a noble could mean they were overly critical of themselves, seeking perfection and not allowing for failure. These types of nobles took failure as equal to losing face. So in some cases, to be dishonored and to fail so hard would result in a noble genuinely convinced that they must take their own life to make up for their unforgivable failure.

So anyway, they reported her murder as suicide because the whole debacle pretty much meant this was the only way she could retain some honor given the circumstances. She was too dangerous and obsessed to let live, but Friedrich felt bad for her and so allowed for this "suicide".


I think they reported it as death due to sudden illness (at least, that's what they say at the end of the episode), although I think the nobles would understand what it actually meant.
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Feb 5, 2018 9:07 PM
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It's not just that Marquise Benemunde deserved to die, but that she was far too dangerous to be kept alive.

totally agree with this
 
Mar 28, 2018 12:06 AM

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I liked how the narration at the end of the episode holds the kaiser responsible. The 'other woman' trope is super worn out and certainly harmful (and yeah I know this was '88). It's refreshing to see that the show views the death of the marquise as a tragedy and the kaiser as the clear culprit for treating these women like disposable playthings.

Annerose's compassion for the marquise at the end is remarkable - "Everyone, no matter who, feels sorrow. Feels pain".
 
Apr 17, 2018 7:34 AM
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Beenemunde was the first weak character in the whole series. But she serves as a warning for Annerose’s future; Kings normally only put their consorts aside if they don’t provide an heir to the throne. There’s been no mention of a Prince yet.

The Empire and Alliance are both broken in different and terrible ways. Our sympathies are meant to be with the forces of change, represented by Yang and Reinhard.

Apart from that, this episode was merely very good and for me, the worst so far. But I’d rather watch a merely good episode of this than the best episode of, for example, “Elfen Lied”.
 
Aug 29, 2018 2:07 AM

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Bitch, sit down. Be humble.
 
Nov 21, 2018 4:02 PM

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The Kaiser looks like a completely senile old man. I feel bad for Annerose, she has to endure his old ass for as long as he's alive.

I didn't feel that bad for Beenemunde's suicide, but I despise Flegel taking advantage of her sorrow and shifting all the blame on her. I hope Reinhard exploits him someday
 
Dec 21, 2018 7:25 PM

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Damn poor Annerose, I can't wait for this scum bag king to die. She seems like she's got a lot of sadness she's keeping hidden inside.

I really prefer the empire storys to the alliance's. The empire has more interesting characters so far and is just a more interesting society. I hope we get to see the lower class eventually.
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Great episode, although I guess there were some tiny mistakes from the animators' side here (or were they plotholes?) .
1) When Reuenthal and Mittermeyer notice the car with Annerose, she's sitting next to a woman with green hair, although we know from a previous scene that this woman is Annerose's servant and she has a different hair color.
2) The car itself is black, how exactly did Mittermeyer and Reuenthal "identify" the car in the woods when it was, firstly, brown, and secondly, did it even belong to Annerose or the thugs?
3) What happened to Annerose's servant and the driver? Don't tell me they were just killed by the thugs...
4) Oberstein is a deus ex machina He just followed them, and he knew about Benemunde's intentions anyway (Reinhard assigned the task to him earlier)

I would also be interested to figure out how exactly did Flegel keep the things in secret, and what did he mean by suggesting to ask for help from his uncle (the duke)?
UPD: Oh I guess it meant that the duke should tell the Emperor to execute Benemunde so that there's nobody to expose Flegel, lol. Fierce.

P.S. I can't stop thinking about the show's ED. The OP shows us the Empire characters, the ED shows us the Alliance characters... until the very end, where there's a zoom in to Julian, and then he and Reinhard look into each others' eyes! What's that supposed to mean...
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