Hakuouki Hekketsuroku Episode 1 Discussion
Oct 15, 2010 7:59 PM
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Oct 16, 2010 7:15 AM
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it was okay..love them in western outfits...though its obvious they're usin the hijikita road...but why tempt me with bits of okita looking as if he's smitten with chizuru...
then again, i think all the guys seem to be smitten with her, just me noticing okita, with him bein my favourite....
and the art is great as ever just chizuru is a bit..-__- and yeah not enuff okita....
Oct 16, 2010 7:34 AM
Despite having never thought of "Hakuouki" anything special plot-wise, I watched this episode with surprising positive feelings :) It was nice, after all, to see those people again :)
Chizuru is great as always. Bishonens are, well... as they were always :P We didn't lack fanservice either with new image of them - in the meaning of clothes and hairs :P I have to say Heisuke looks like a girl even more now, despite having his hair cut short xD But I do miss Harada's wonderful mop. I can even get over Hikijata's black long hair (my absolute number one. I mean, long black hair.), but Sano looks like a drowned rat now :(((
I'll say in secret I somehow wait for Kazama and his guys. I've never been particularly fond of them, but then I started to have some strange sympathy for them. I like about Kazama how he doesn't give a damn about the political situation and war, and everything, being interested only in his personal affairs xD He's so wonderfully contrasted with those ever serious Shinsengumi guys ;)
Of course, I do prefer Chizuru being with Hijikata. As for Kazama, hmm... Let's think. What a pity Chizuru's brother (what was his name again?) is a guy after all, perhaps he would make do with him... Well, we'll see if any of them will live long and happily ever after. Historical truth says that only Saitou and Shinpachi survived :(((
PS. My personal best was probably Okita thinking of Kondou. It was so... right.
PPS. After reading all the comments, I have to say I totally can't understand the dislike of Chizuru. She is the best character in this anime, actually having some personality, not playing around like the bishonens there. Comparing to standard heroine of anime, she wins the dozens. She is decisive, intelligent, proud and knows what to do. She isn't an aggressive and shouting teenager, neither is she a stupid and blushing cow that cannot pull a sentence together in the presence of a guy. I can't understand how you can call her annoying. Come on, people, aren't you just haters? ;>
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Oct 16, 2010 8:01 AM
anyways, I find it strange from chizuru offering her help and then refusing to give her blood... it's not like it needs ages to heal the wounds, it's done within a few seconds. o___o such an annoying girl -o-
Well, it was only Sannan's hypothesis, not a sure thing. Then, Chizuru WAS really thinking of consenting to it, it was obvious, despite her being scared - and not without a reason. I wouldn't be surprised if next episode she agreed to this.
And... well, I see you already giving your blood to help others, yeah... ;>
Oct 16, 2010 8:26 AM
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Oct 16, 2010 11:12 PM
Sorry, no. Where is her personality? How is she intelligent or decisive? She blindly throws herself into situations, always thinking she wants to help, when in fact she is powerless. Her only ability so far seems to be regeneration. She has a sword that can kill oni but doesn't think to use it. Name one thing that Chizuru has done that didn't put herself or someone else in danger.
She is decisive in this that she's looking for her own way in the life, not only sitting and letting others do the thing. She left from home instead of sitting in the four walls and crying. In interactions with the men she is proud and can maintain her own point of view instead of blushing or stuttering or behaving any other way many anime girls do. It's a pleasure to look at her. She is a unique combination of a child and an adult, making mistakes yet possessing calm. She is concerned about the general situation, yet she can focus on what is most important: the people she has before her. In a subtle yet determined way she tends to these warriors and makes them do what she wants them to do, sometimes. She isn't a warrior there, so she cannot fight by their side, but she is fighting in a different way, caring for those who are important. She isn't a warrior so she sees things in a different way, too, but it's OK as warriors are always right. This all - and much more - stands for her personality.
I do not agree that she is powerless and cannot help. She is, indeed, powerless in that she cannot fight with a sword like they do. She is a small woman who was never taught to fight. But what she does for them, doing all the work and conveying all her feelings for them in it, it's of great importance. As for getting herself into situations that endanger her, well, it's not entirely her fault that she's an Oni and wanted because of it. Perhaps she should have just gone with them, so Shinsengumi would be in peace, but she has a right to make her own decisions.
But, of course, people see other people in a way it suits them best - or, in a way they were taught to. For me, Chizuru is a wonderful character, with all her virtues and flaws. She is refreshing and a bliss while never ideal. But ideal is something very subjective, isn't it?
Oct 17, 2010 6:00 AM
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Oct 18, 2010 4:54 AM
Oct 18, 2010 5:25 AM
We're going to agree to disagree, I know, but I wanted to address some of your points anyway.
First of all, thank you for discussion. We may disagree, but it's nice anyway to have your points explained and justified :)
Contrary to what you might think, I want to like Chizuru. Hence my wanting to know more about her past and her abilities above. I just don't like her at the moment because she hasn't given me sufficient reason to.
I can see it and I believe it. I allowed myself to take a look at your favourite characters, and if you like Motoko Kusanagi, this one thing is enough to understand what type of women you like to watch in anime, at least.
I will give her props for seeking out the Shinsengumi and her father's whereabouts, and having the intelligence to dress as a boy to get by. But after that she has just followed the Shinsengumi like a puppy
Well, she was a kind of forced to stay with Shinsengumi. They ordered her to stay with them as she had got involved in their matters. She did try to escape in the beginning, but it was only natural she couldn't fight against the infamous army. She had no chance against them and would be caught anyway. Another thing is that she grew attached to them, and that's why she didn't try to leave them any more. On the other hand, being as sensible as she was, she did consider leaving with Oni because her staying with Shinsengumi put the group in danger. There was, however, the mutual relation between Chizuru and Shinsengumi, and neither of them wanted to part in the end. That's understandable and, I suppose, very human.
When does she make them do what she wants? Sorry, I just want clarification on this because I can't recall anything like that.
She is able to persuade them to take some care of themselves even if no-one else can manage as much. It was her concern that made Sannan join others after longer absence/self-chosen isolation in the first season, and made Hijikata focus a bit on daily things instead of politics only in the episode 13. Of course, these can seem not so important things, yet I personally find them significant.
Anyway, she was taught to use a sword in an episode and was seen training in other episodes, presumably continuing throughout the series. Sure, she'll never be as strong as the villains or shinsengumi, but the girl knows how to wield her sword. She just carries it around and forgets about it half the time.
I am really sure you have to be a warrior to use it just like that.
I also don't understand your "warriors are always right" comment. Did you mean "aren't"?
Of course I did. Sorry. My mistake.
Why is it important that she give them dreamy eyes and clean their dishes and serve them food?
Of course it is. As well as the care and concern she has for them. It's one of the most fundamental things.
And I think she could have been more proactive after learning that the villains were after her and why; she could have taken more sword lessons and steeled herself for battle. They aren't going to stop coming for her, and this way she would be prepared. Instead she chooses to be saved countless times by others.
Yeah, she could. But it didn't happen, for any reason there would be. I don't think, though, one should condemn her for it.
This is why she annoys me: she has potential to do something, but she squanders it. This is most likely because this anime is based on an otome game and basically the main char only needs to be a girl and surrounded by guys, so who cares whether or not she has a personality or is capable of holding her own? All they need to do is show bishounen in flashy new clothes and most people could care less about the pathetic main female character.
I understand it perfectly, although I still don't agree. When starting with Hakuouki, it felt like I was watching Fushigi Yuugi. But, then, it happened that I got to like Chizuru and even admire her, and you didn't. At least, I am happier person here ;) But, hey, I believe you are able to find another anime with female characters that are much worth your attention ;)
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Yay the subs are out! Well I should say I finally realized the subs were out.
Saito is still my favorite character and Chizuru still seems to be useless.
I still enjoy the story but am hoping for more action in the coming episodes. BTW Chizuru never found her dad right? Just got a little info on him, so is that goal completely abandoned now?
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