| Dont' listen to them, crunchyroll is awesome! you won't find every anime in the world there but it has alot. I'd definitely say that its worth it trying it out.... |
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| Crunchy-roll is really great. The main reason is that it doesn't use a third party service such as Megavideo or Myspace Video. |
| -Fixing- |
| Why? If you don't want to pay for it, you get low video quality and far less animes to watch as opposed to nearly all animes and great video quality when downloading fansubs. |
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QysteiN said: It's awesome because they stream Gintama. Thats why I pay them ^_^ I second that! :) |
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| I like Crunchyroll now that I see what they're trying to do, but for a bit I was one of those who hated it. Way back in the day when Crunchyroll wasn't legal in any sense of the word, I swear you could find nearly any anime you could think of on there. I remember seeing shows that I have not been able to find since. So when CR suddenly went all legal on us, from my dramatized memory they just deleted everything overnight without informing any of the members (this may or may not have happened, I barely remember). They just kind of did what they wanted. Of course, that's their right, but if you've been a loyal member of a site going through random changes like that you'll feel like you've just been slapped in the face. Personally I was slow on the uptake that they had become legal. Or maybe they just hadn't done that yet. But it seemed to me that they were just trying to milk money out of people. Now, obviously, they have Gintama, which makes them amazing. Forgive any completely wrong information. It's been a while, my memory is fuzzy and I don't care enough to sit here mulling over it day after day. xD |
| for me, i don't hate cr, but i just kinda... dunno, i just haven't been active there for a long time, my original friends there aren't there anymore, i'm underage so can't pay so i don't see so much, i have found other sites, and one of the most important things, cr isn't what it used to be. there is too much stuff and options and everything nowdays and i get confused and can't find anything! :D |
| They have Natsume Yuujinchou, which makes CR great. |
| I love Crunchyroll and am a proud subscriber. 20 bucks every season for HD video of at least 2-3 shows I want to see is always worth it. |
| My first novel, Kardia has been published! Click here to read! |
| Why do people hate it? For the same reason they hate mainstream stuff. Once someone started to hate it, and now people think they're cool if they hate it too. There is nothing here to wonder about, ther are and will always be trolls like these. Just leave them alone, it's enough if you know that CR is good or not, I don't understand why other people's opinions matter anything. And this whole topic justifies me. There's none of those "oh-i-so-hate-cr" trolls here, because they just can't explain why they hate them. |
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| i agree... crunchy is great but lol i dont see the point of being a paying member... who cares about watching two or three comercals its free and works good... |
     "If only if only, the woodpecker cried, the bark on the tree was as soft as the sky" || ♪My mind, heart is broken♫ |
| never actually heard of cr until i had to find another source of bleach? i think but switched over to the rips from horrible since i dont like streams |
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| i dont see why people even say paying for high quality streams. when you can just torrent the weekly 720p version that usually always comes out and is subbed at the same time as the 480p. Then if your a streamer due to space on hdd issues. 1) Buy Bigger Hdd or 2) Delete the episode after you watch |
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| i'm guessing because they licensed some good anime which their favorite fansubs thus discontinued |
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| Because downloading > streaming no matter what the circumstance. |
| I think people hate Crunchyroll, for the same reason they hate most streaming sites. Because they are...well...streaming. Many anime fans prefer to only watch anime downloaded, so they can be at their highest resoultion. To me that doesn't matter. It's kind of simular to the whole "VHS vs DVD" argument. Even if one is sharper than the other, it's still the same series no matter how you watch it. Also, some hate the fact that you gotta pay to watch some series on that site. Again, that doesn't bother me. Crunchyroll, good site in my opinion. :) |
| I don't hate crunchyroll, I just don't use it. If they provided DRM-free HD downloads, maybe I would pay for them. |
| Feeling down? You may already be a charge target. |
Retro8bit said: I think people hate Crunchyroll, for the same reason they hate most streaming sites. Because they are...well...streaming. Many anime fans prefer to only watch anime downloaded, so they can be at their highest resoultion. To me that doesn't matter. It's kind of simular to the whole "VHS vs DVD" argument. Even if one is sharper than the other, it's still the same series no matter how you watch it. Also, some hate the fact that you gotta pay to watch some series on that site. Again, that doesn't bother me. Crunchyroll, good site in my opinion. :) Good visuals/audio greatly increases the experience when watching a movie/anime and whatnot. atleast in my opinion |
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| I don't know why...maybe cuz you have to pay them...? |
Hazle said: I don't know why...maybe cuz you have to pay them...? uh... no you dont i use Crunchy and i dont pay anything... |
"If only if only, the woodpecker cried, the bark on the tree was as soft as the sky" || ♪My mind, heart is broken♫ |
| I wouldn't say "hate" per say that they can't be fully appreciated. - They get in the way of other companies like Funimation getting titles. - DVD releases are a no go (At this point according to them) - Can't cater to bilingual fans (Dub fans love to moan about this) - Payment required for online watching in most cases unlike others of Funi, Bandai, etc. (Though it has been rumored Funi will start a payment subscription) |
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ZenErik said: People hate Crunchyroll because they are looking to justify their stealing. Pretty much. They are actually really good, people moan about quality but in 720p, there really is nothing to complain about. |
| Why pay for crappy streams when I can steal better quality? Also if you where gonna pay for that crap, why not just buy DVDs, or get a subscription to Netflix. |
| It doesn't think, it doesn't feel, it doesn't laugh or cry..... All it does from dusk till dawn is make the soldiers die. |
| I used to love it some years ago, but I never go there since I've completed Gintama and 90% of the anime there has become unavailable to watch from my country. :B |
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| I don't hate it, I just don't use it. I don't use it because: 1. They don't have many of the anime that I'm interested in. 2. I can't afford to pay. 3. Even if I could afford it, I wouldn't pay just to watch 4 or 5 shows that I like/ think I will like. |
| I have nothing agains Crunchyroll ...it is just that at first when they started streaming anime I was paying to watch Shugo Chara and then,after 1 episode, it became unavailable in my country...so people say that it's not ok to download so u should pay to watch anime...but you see not all of us live in USA(or other countries that have access to all series on cr) so for instance I can't watch 90% of them(nor I can access Funi's channel) what's more....CR subs are crappy..and I'm also a fan of karaoke OPs/EDs and honorifics so what can I do... I do support the anime industry by buying figures/posters and a lot of manga/novels and I'm currently learning Japanese(so that in 2-3 years time I'll buy the japanese BDs/DVDs-I won't ever pay again for crappy subs and bad quality) |
| CR earned it's bad reputation in the past. It's changed a lot, but reputations don't fade quickly. 1. They were actual thieves, earning profit from streaming anime illegally. Most of the anime community follows fansubs of unlicensed series, where a free translation service is provided for sharing a series among fellow fans. The DVDRip community is separate from the fansubbers, and even then the rippers usually encourage financially supporting series you like. 2. CR not only made money off stealing shows, they stole fansubs and made money off them, claiming the stolen fansubs as their own without even bothering to strip the subber tags. CR made money from stealing shows, which is anathema to everything the anime community follows. 3. CR was a ripoff, streaming crappy quality video as they committed the above offenses. So not only was it morally offensive, they didn't even have the decency to do a good job of it. 4. The CR forum community was a cesspool. Enough said. That's the past that earned CR the bad reputation. The new CR has different issues: 5. The thieves converted to "legal" - i.e. still trying to rip people off to make money off anime that would have been shared freely otherwise 6. They don't publish DVDs, so anything they license is dead in the water in terms of anime collections. DVDs have been the traditional route of non-Japanese fans financially supporting anime they enjoy, so this also interferes with that. 7. Their quality is still pretty crappy. The translations on various shows have had blatant errors, poor editing, and are generally shoddy compared to the quality of most of the top fansub groups. 8. CR has been poaching series by offering to be "cheap and easy" licensing and profit, basically the Chinese Outsourcing of licensing companies. This makes it tougher for the core licensing companies, like Funimation, etc., to survive and thrive. While what they offer isn't really too bad, and probably seems pretty spiffy to the Youtube Newbies who still stream anime and have just discovered CR, money paid to them pretty much stops there. You're not financially supporting your favorite series, you're not supporting the US anime industry, and you're just helping to eat away at the foundations of the strong anime community that has been supporting the entire US anime industry since the start. Watching anime on TV (like on Toonami when it was awesome), being vocal about your support for series, buying DVDs and secondary goods, and drawing in others to anime fandom are ways to actually support the US and Japanese anime industries. Subscribing to CR does not make you morally righteous compared to the "thieves" who watch fansubs and buy DVDs and other goods. And, amusingly, CR gets poached now in the same way they did before, with numerous stream-ripping groups posting torrents for all of their 480p and 720p show streams. Except those groups don't scam money off of it. I don't particularly hate CR, but I don't think it deserves such glowing praise from people who only heard of it recently. |
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| I like them because sometimes I can find a show there every now and then. They would definitely be better if they released dvds as well but I don't see that happening. It's not the best, but it is okay in my opinion. |
| cr for the iPhone + iTouch and other smartphones. That's a win. |
Phyleron said: CR earned it's bad reputation in the past. It's changed a lot, but reputations don't fade quickly. 1. They were actual thieves, earning profit from streaming anime illegally. Most of the anime community follows fansubs of unlicensed series, where a free translation service is provided for sharing a series among fellow fans. The DVDRip community is separate from the fansubbers, and even then the rippers usually encourage financially supporting series you like. 2. CR not only made money off stealing shows, they stole fansubs and made money off them, claiming the stolen fansubs as their own without even bothering to strip the subber tags. CR made money from stealing shows, which is anathema to everything the anime community follows. 3. CR was a ripoff, streaming crappy quality video as they committed the above offenses. So not only was it morally offensive, they didn't even have the decency to do a good job of it. 4. The CR forum community was a cesspool. Enough said. That's the past that earned CR the bad reputation. The new CR has different issues: 5. The thieves converted to "legal" - i.e. still trying to rip people off to make money off anime that would have been shared freely otherwise 6. They don't publish DVDs, so anything they license is dead in the water in terms of anime collections. DVDs have been the traditional route of non-Japanese fans financially supporting anime they enjoy, so this also interferes with that. 7. Their quality is still pretty crappy. The translations on various shows have had blatant errors, poor editing, and are generally shoddy compared to the quality of most of the top fansub groups. 8. CR has been poaching series by offering to be "cheap and easy" licensing and profit, basically the Chinese Outsourcing of licensing companies. This makes it tougher for the core licensing companies, like Funimation, etc., to survive and thrive. While what they offer isn't really too bad, and probably seems pretty spiffy to the Youtube Newbies who still stream anime and have just discovered CR, money paid to them pretty much stops there. You're not financially supporting your favorite series, you're not supporting the US anime industry, and you're just helping to eat away at the foundations of the strong anime community that has been supporting the entire US anime industry since the start. Watching anime on TV (like on Toonami when it was awesome), being vocal about your support for series, buying DVDs and secondary goods, and drawing in others to anime fandom are ways to actually support the US and Japanese anime industries. Subscribing to CR does not make you morally righteous compared to the "thieves" who watch fansubs and buy DVDs and other goods. And, amusingly, CR gets poached now in the same way they did before, with numerous stream-ripping groups posting torrents for all of their 480p and 720p show streams. Except those groups don't scam money off of it. I don't particularly hate CR, but I don't think it deserves such glowing praise from people who only heard of it recently. This. Basically, most of the people defending Crunchyroll/ praising them are people who didn't know of them before they turned into what they are now. I STILL don't like them, not only because of the reasons quoted above but also for several more. I dislike their community, almost as much as the youtube community. I prefer the community on MAL much more, you guys are awesome :D As was stated above, their subs are sub par, and even if they're HD, they don't do as good a job as alot of fansubbers. and Because of them, alot of shows that would have been sub by fansubbers aren't. So basically what I'm saying is, I hate Crunchyroll for their past actions, I dislike the way they handle things, I find them a dreg on anime society, and I dislike their community. |
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Jrittmayer said: I STILL don't like them, not only because of the reasons quoted above but also for several more. I dislike their community, almost as much as the youtube community. I prefer the community on MAL much more, you guys are awesome :D As was stated above, their subs are sub par, and even if they're HD, they don't do as good a job as alot of fansubbers. and Because of them, alot of shows that would have been sub by fansubbers aren't. This is funny for two reasons: a) MAL is seen as one of the worst anime communities around. I'm not sure what CR is like since I've not been there, but I find it hard to believe MAL can be much better. b) CR's translator team are largely ex fansubbers. From top tier groups. Maybe issues are more in editing or styling, but the translations should be up to fansub standards. |
| Because it's videos are not available in the country I am living in.Oops I guess I am hating the wrong figure here XD |
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Asako said: Jrittmayer said: I STILL don't like them, not only because of the reasons quoted above but also for several more. I dislike their community, almost as much as the youtube community. I prefer the community on MAL much more, you guys are awesome :D As was stated above, their subs are sub par, and even if they're HD, they don't do as good a job as alot of fansubbers. and Because of them, alot of shows that would have been sub by fansubbers aren't. This is funny for two reasons: a) MAL is seen as one of the worst anime communities around. I'm not sure what CR is like since I've not been there, but I find it hard to believe MAL can be much better. b) CR's translator team are largely ex fansubbers. From top tier groups. Maybe issues are more in editing or styling, but the translations should be up to fansub standards. Really? For some reason I had not gotten that impression...yet. All my experiences on MAL have been pleasant so far, aside from seeing someone get banned who I felt didn't deserve it but thats neither here nor there. I guess it's their style then, it has a very "standard" and bland approach if you catch my drift. |
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Jrittmayer said: Really? For some reason I had not gotten that impression...yet. All my experiences on MAL have been pleasant so far, aside from seeing someone get banned who I felt didn't deserve it but thats neither here nor there. I guess it's their style then, it has a very "standard" and bland approach if you catch my drift. In the wider anime community MAL is seen as a red headed stepchild. Streaming subs are limited like DVD subs, so they will be very bland and simple as complex typesetting is impossible, and for editing they will generally go for no honourifics and such as it appeals to a wider audience. So yeah, the "flair" fansubs have is gone. But that has nothing to do with the translations. |
Asako said: Jrittmayer said: Really? For some reason I had not gotten that impression...yet. All my experiences on MAL have been pleasant so far, aside from seeing someone get banned who I felt didn't deserve it but thats neither here nor there. I guess it's their style then, it has a very "standard" and bland approach if you catch my drift. In the wider anime community MAL is seen as a red headed stepchild. Streaming subs are limited like DVD subs, so they will be very bland and simple as complex typesetting is impossible, and for editing they will generally go for no honourifics and such as it appeals to a wider audience. So yeah, the "flair" fansubs have is gone. But that has nothing to do with the translations. Asako said: Jrittmayer said: Really? For some reason I had not gotten that impression...yet. All my experiences on MAL have been pleasant so far, aside from seeing someone get banned who I felt didn't deserve it but thats neither here nor there. I guess it's their style then, it has a very "standard" and bland approach if you catch my drift. In the wider anime community MAL is seen as a red headed stepchild. Streaming subs are limited like DVD subs, so they will be very bland and simple as complex typesetting is impossible, and for editing they will generally go for no honourifics and such as it appeals to a wider audience. So yeah, the "flair" fansubs have is gone. But that has nothing to do with the translations. I supposed you have beaten me down in both points XD Although I can't really argue any further (As much as I'd love too ^_^ ), I won't give up my hatred for Crunchyroll, but I realize that not everyone feels the same way. |
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Phyleron said: I wonder if there are anyone able to challenge these points sufficiently.CR earned it's bad reputation in the past. It's changed a lot, but reputations don't fade quickly. |
mas120 said: Paying for mediocre streams Ahm....yes mediocre streams.....second it! XD |
| I don't hate it. I just choose not to use it. This may be incorrect, but everyone tells me the site gives your computer viruses. I could give it a try someday, I just don't feel like it. |
| Because they were originally an illegal site, but instead of getting shut down, got a pile of money to start licensing stuff. So they are creating a business model around a service that was free. Also, the founding staff of Crunchyroll are self-righteous assholes. Plus, streaming<downloading (both quality and ownership of product wise) |
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