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Sep 27, 2010 2:19 PM

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THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE.
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Series is almost over... I wonder how things will turn out.
 
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Dec 1, 2010 1:10 PM

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Aww the sweaterrrr <33

....and she appears... what's going to happen!?
 
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Dec 6, 2010 9:01 PM
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the lady co-worker is right, its all taboo, but i dont think she sees the entire picture

the love they have for eachother is not sexual, but something more real (it may have started sexually for koshiro, but that tapered off into something more real)
 
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Jan 29, 2012 5:52 PM

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i think the co-worker reacted like any other person would who was just an outsider and didn't know anything more.... Think thats what the show does so brilliantly, its showing that its just pure love they have for each other, and they ache when there apart its so sad :( but compelling all the same! The last bit was certainly a cliffhanger......
 
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May 6, 2012 7:29 PM

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Chidori would be one badass friend to have.
 
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The confrontation between Koshiro and Chidori was intense. I loved that scene, but I can't help but disagree with everyone on the fact that she is right and badass and all that. Them two seem to be pretty close friends, going out drinking and her sleeping over and stuff (she might even have some attraction?) but honestly friends should always be there when you're down. If I had a friend going through what Koshiro was going through now, I wouldn't look down on him because of the taboo, I would be there for him and try to help him out any way I can, but yeah that's just my thoughts. That aside, great scene and overall great episode.
 
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Nov 7, 2012 3:10 PM
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Oh snap!
 
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Nov 30, 2012 12:07 AM
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Close friends,childhood friends,... they will always see you down for things like this.. Stupid koshiro react so seriously
 
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Velveteen said:
The confrontation between Koshiro and Chidori was intense. I loved that scene, but I can't help but disagree with everyone on the fact that she is right and badass and all that. Them two seem to be pretty close friends, going out drinking and her sleeping over and stuff (she might even have some attraction?) but honestly friends should always be there when you're down. If I had a friend going through what Koshiro was going through now, I wouldn't look down on him because of the taboo, I would be there for him and try to help him out any way I can, but yeah that's just my thoughts. That aside, great scene and overall great episode.


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Close friends,childhood friends,... they will always see you down for things like this.. Stupid koshiro react so seriously


Regardless of how close you are, if you consider yourself someone's friend, you need to be able to criticize them when they need it. A bad friend would accept Koshiro's fascination with his sister and encourage him to go after her. A good friend would tell him how wrong it is (like Chidori, except not as extreme), and then help him deal with the problem and turn himself around. So Chidori was somewhere between those two.
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Jul 17, 2013 9:11 AM

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i think the co-worker reacted like any other person would who was just an outsider and didn't know anything more.... Think thats what the show does so brilliantly, its showing that its just pure love they have for each other, and they ache when there apart its so sad :( but compelling all the same! The last bit was certainly a cliffhanger......


I definitely think they got Chidori's reaction spot on. I imagine the average person would have said the same things or even broken off ties or condemned Koshiro for it. I also think this series really does a great job at conveying how despite taboos, people are going to follow their hearts (although that's not to say allow anything that's done in the name of love).
 
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Ratohnhaketon said:
randompadley said:
i think the co-worker reacted like any other person would who was just an outsider and didn't know anything more.... Think thats what the show does so brilliantly, its showing that its just pure love they have for each other, and they ache when there apart its so sad :( but compelling all the same! The last bit was certainly a cliffhanger......


I definitely think they got Chidori's reaction spot on. I imagine the average person would have said the same things or even broken off ties or condemned Koshiro for it. I also think this series really does a great job at conveying how despite taboos, people are going to follow their hearts (although that's not to say allow anything that's done in the name of love).


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This episode was soo great, yet it was so painful to watch
 
Oct 20, 2013 4:04 PM
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Ratohnhaketon said:
randompadley said:
i think the co-worker reacted like any other person would who was just an outsider and didn't know anything more.... Think thats what the show does so brilliantly, its showing that its just pure love they have for each other, and they ache when there apart its so sad :( but compelling all the same! The last bit was certainly a cliffhanger......


I definitely think they got Chidori's reaction spot on. I imagine the average person would have said the same things or even broken off ties or condemned Koshiro for it. I also think this series really does a great job at conveying how despite taboos, people are going to follow their hearts (although that's not to say allow anything that's done in the name of love).


It depends on the subject. What Chidori knows is that Koushiro moved out of his father's house because he was attracted to Nanoka. She also learned that he didn't know Nanoka was his sister at first. Lastly she knows that he moved out before he made a move on her, the farthest he had gotten was sniffing her bra.

If I was her, I would commend him for doing what he thought was best in regards to avoiding doing something he and I (If I was Chidori) thought was wrong. Sure he was running from his problem, rather than dealing with it, but he had no help in dealing with it. Chidori's reaction made him even more alone in the whole ordeal, basically proving he had nowhere to go if he was honest.

It is true Chidori didn't have the whole picture, but I don't think she wanted the whole picture.

If she was a real friend, she would find out everything in order to help. His willingness to move out to avoid hurting Nanoka is proof that he didn't want to hurt her. Rather than do that, she treated him less than human and pretty much stopped being his friend. In the end, she didn't want to help him, she was too focused on getting her judgement on. Gotta fill up that quota.

What Chidori did not know, which may have changed her opinion or not was that the attraction was not one-sided. Nor did she know about GSA which is what caused the attraction in the first place. There are many things she should have wanted to know. She's not a true friend not because she chastised him, but because she did so at the drop of a hat without not knowing all of the facts, and afterward made no effort to help him.

Now that is assuming the stigmatization of consanguinamory is morally correct. In my opinion it is not correct. Consider that in the past and even now, people are hated because they are attracted to the same sex. And ironically, even more than that, people are hated because they are attracted to the same and different sexes, even by the aforementioned people who are attracted to the same sex. Even earlier, people were hated for being in love with somebody of a different skin color. And earlier still, people who loved others of different classes. I consider consanguinamory the same. I've researched the subject for a long time, heard a lot of different arguments, but none of them truly stand and at the end of the day, it all goes back to the eww factor. All of the arguments I've heard have been refuted on this page http://marriage-equality.blogspot.com/p/discredited-invalid-arguments.html

There's also the moral quota. Humans are judgmental characters. We get our kicks out of feeling superior, especially if it's morally superior. Now, I am not condoning rape, abuse, grooming, or whatever. I personally think Nanoka is a bit young right now, even if she is actually legal in Japan and much of the US (many states have their AoC at 16, though you could still possibly be charged with contributing to the delinquency of a minor or something like that). Regardless if Chidori wanted to chastise Koushiro, her age would be where she is somewhat justified (not fully as Koushiro hadn't made any moves and specifically acted to avoid making a move). But she didn't. Her problem was that Nanoka was his sister, not that she was 16. Then she washed her hands of the situation, but not before getting her rocks off to making him feel subhuman. At least she didn't out him at work, but then again she didn't investigate further to find out if he was a danger or get the full story. I think she should have at least heard his side of the story before going off on him. If she wanted to avoid incest then putting him down right when he was about to get away and making him feel like the only person out there that won't judge him is Nanoka (and that one creep that is always looking for highschool girls, which still doesn't make him a pedophile as pedophilia is attraction to pre-pubescent children and legally it's a consistent attraction to children 13 [to rule out one off events involving people who look older also the perpetrator has to be several years older obviously because otherwise all little kids with crushes on classmates would be criminals] and younger kids. That dude would be a hebephile or ephebephile instead.) Chidori created or helped the situation she despised or was disgusted by. He got away from Nanoka, and started to re-stabilise his life before Nanoka came back into it. Chidori left him no further protection, she abandoned him when he needed her the most if he was going to reverse his attraction and feelings to/for Nanoka (assuming they can be reversed). So she'd rather quit being his friend than to "help" him like a true friend. Chidori isn't a friend. She was just on friendly terms, an acquaintance. Nanoka's friend is actually a friend as shown when she actually asks to help Nanoka.
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Jan 23, 2014 5:27 PM

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Dat ending <3 really wonderful development and man the part where they got all serious was pretty interesting too, I do think her role has finished in this story so let's see what happens next!
 
Feb 14, 2014 2:26 AM

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1. kaname was able to figure out the sis perversion without koshiro saying a word. clever.

2. i thought he fapped in his bed even more when the tissue paper was shown in the garbage.
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Feb 25, 2014 10:48 AM

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Very strong post by Ichigo, I agree with nearly everything.

This is a heart wrenching episode, which excels in its realistic portrayal and conveying the raw emotion felt by the protagonists and the "villain". Note that i'm a fan of Chidori's Seiyu, who does wonderful work as Nami from One Piece. Imo Chidori does a good job connecting the dots, and ofcourse Toshiro's denials and silences did more to affirm her speculation than outright admitting to her banter, which perhaps she would just shrug off as a joke. While her words and actions were harsh, they were not overtly malicious and they were meant as directional input, if done crudely. Based on the final scenes back at the office we see that she is not trying to smear his character to oblivion and ruin his life. Imo she is a friend at this point in their acquaintanceship, although she is his direct superior i believe. Could she have done a better job with giving him direction? Sure, absolutely. Is her attack unrealistic and shallow? No, she does a reasonable job due to the abruptness of the confrontation and the emotions racing wildly in the atmosphere. Is she Manami 2.0 from OreImo, with all the evilness that title implies? Absolutely not.

Barring some catastrophic drop of quality in the final episodes, this is Better than OreImo by a hefty margin in terms of the sibling relationship and psychological/emotional impact, and i gave OreImo as a whole a 10.. In short this is nothing short of a masterpiece, with its only "flaw" being outdated and low tier graphics/art. However even that is not a gripe of mine since its reminiscent of the Strongest of Anime, namely NHK, both in art style and an accurate portrayal of societal pressure and loneliness.
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I actually liked that epiosde. It shows how confused and anti-social the main protagonist truely is.

Being sexually attracted to little kids (in this case a little girl) aka pedophilia is a mental sickness found mostly by anti-social and lonely person. There are many reasons pedophila can occur. Often it comes also because of unpleasend relationships with partner of the same age, which occured to the main protagonist. But normally being rejected by an attracted person is ment by unpleasend relationships, so a normal relationship, how it is described the main protagonist had in his past, would be a very unrealistic cause for his pedophilic sickness.

I didnt like how the show represented their pedophilic main protagonist as a normal guy with a normal relationship in his past, since it supports the idea that pedophiles are just normal people.. you cant be more away from truth. But like i said this particular went a little bit into his sickness, even though the show itself focuses more around the incest instead of the pedophilia, since they excuse it with her being 15 even though through her avarage body height, her behaviour and her overall looks she very much resembles a girl under the age of 12. The incest was in my opinion not the problem, since they didnt grew up together the Werstermark-effect(the effect that desribes that siblings that grew up together in a household wont find each other attractive later on, which is past down in mankind to prevent too much incest from happening, since incest isnt really beneficial to sociaty) cant come into account.
 
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Nice episode, didn't really expect Chidori to actually deduce it's so easily. Somehow I really felt she was right talking him down, which is not something i usually feel.
 
Dec 14, 2014 6:34 PM
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that coworker was pretty harsh, but it was very realistic. it's not like she's going to approve.

and they finally meet again...
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Mar 17, 2018 9:39 PM

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Chidori's outburst was spot on, probably the most realistic reaction I could imagine from confident, mature woman learning that her co-worker is attracted (and possibly did something bad) to his little sister. The best and harshest episode yet, and there are still two more left, ugh!
 
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Finally, Koushirou's brain melts.
 
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Velveteen said:
The confrontation between Koshiro and Chidori was intense. I loved that scene, but I can't help but disagree with everyone on the fact that she is right and badass and all that. Them two seem to be pretty close friends, going out drinking and her sleeping over and stuff (she might even have some attraction?) but honestly friends should always be there when you're down. If I had a friend going through what Koshiro was going through now, I wouldn't look down on him because of the taboo, I would be there for him and try to help him out any way I can, but yeah that's just my thoughts. That aside, great scene and overall great episode.


Though that is just one of several ways to react to the situation, all of which would make sense depending on the persons character. For Chidori, probably spending so much time around Odagiri (who is a borderline sexual predator and can shoot himself for all I care), I think it makes sense she'd have the strong reaction that she did.

P.S. I love how she nonchalantly brings up all the evidence against Koshiro like it's friendly discussion, than fucking breaks the act and pins him against the wall. It's so freaking intense and sad watching these friends fall out, and have to watch Koshiro go through so much pain. I usually cry during this scene
 
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They met up again!

Im excited to see what happens between them now
 
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