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May 25, 2008 1:22 PM
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THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE.
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Free Planets Alliance not quite as free as the name seems to imply. The way they regard their 'heroes' sure stinks. Jessica had a powerful point that was unfortunately lost on the masses.

Truniht's PKC thugs are pretty blatant carrying around a large banner flag and inciting violence right out in the open. Kind of sad they needed to bring out 16 guys just for one woman. Their outfits are hilarious though. They look like they came out of a cheap S&M flick.

After stressing how it was impossible taking out Iserlohn Fortress in the last episode it will be intersting to see how Yang attempts to do so with half of a regular fleet.

...even a saint needs a soldier to do the dirty work.
 
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May 25, 2008 1:25 PM
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Yea. This series looks at democracy vs. autocracy and really stays unbiased. I love it. It opened my eyes in a way.

 
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Jun 24, 2008 12:42 AM

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Great episode. This is an intelligent series.

On a different note, I really enjoyed the fire hydrant scene. Awesome.
 
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Jul 26, 2008 11:49 AM

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did they really need 16 men with nightsticks and hockey masks to beat on a blonde girl? A little off the top but still funny none the less...

...the freedom not to get involved FTW! >_<

and not that I'm on the Secretary of Defense's side, but he didn't get that seat just by standing idly by. Those medals that he earned on his chest aren't just there for decoration. I'm more than positive he's had his share of ugly battles during his tours. The only difference between Lap and the SoD is that the SoD survived. Just because he wasn't in THAT particular battle, doesn't mean that the man worthless. The chain of command is there for a reason. It's REALLY hard to judge his history since we know nothing of the SoD's history. The only thing we know is that he has his own personal army. And im sure we all find him an asshole by now.

What im trying to get at, is that girl is playing the hurt wife of a dead soldier. Granted that's all fine. But not everyone is going to live when your profession is war. Finding someone to scapegoat war is easy to do especially when someone close to you dies. But we also don't know if Lap enjoyed his job or not so its also a gray area on who's side to pick on that little conflict in this episode. Untill the PKC came out.

they easily could have done something else other than the PKC like tossed her in jail or something but whatever, this was made in the 80's. I just want a PKC mask for Halloween.

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Looks like the democracy has it's own batch of secret police... Kind of sad that they tried to blow up their "hero" only days after the battle. Wonder how they would have covered that one up.

Seems like the Secretary of Defense guy is ambitious. I'm betting he goes for a coup d'etat at some point... if he isn't an outright spy for the Empire in the first place.
 
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i thought that group was the police :P
 
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Kind of sad that they tried to blow up their "hero" only days after the battle. Wonder how they would have covered that one up.


If I understood the PKC role correctly, it wouldn't be hard to cover it up. Supposedly, the PKC is an extremist group that the gov. can't do anything about... at least that's the facade thrown at people... said facade could be used as reason for the big tragedy that would be the hero's death.
 
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did they really need 16 men with nightsticks and hockey masks to beat on a blonde girl? A little off the top but still funny none the less...

...the freedom not to get involved FTW! >_<

and not that I'm on the Secretary of Defense's side, but he didn't get that seat just by standing idly by. Those medals that he earned on his chest aren't just there for decoration. I'm more than positive he's had his share of ugly battles during his tours. The only difference between Lap and the SoD is that the SoD survived. Just because he wasn't in THAT particular battle, doesn't mean that the man worthless. The chain of command is there for a reason. It's REALLY hard to judge his history since we know nothing of the SoD's history. The only thing we know is that he has his own personal army. And im sure we all find him an asshole by now.

What im trying to get at, is that girl is playing the hurt wife of a dead soldier. Granted that's all fine. But not everyone is going to live when your profession is war. Finding someone to scapegoat war is easy to do especially when someone close to you dies. But we also don't know if Lap enjoyed his job or not so its also a gray area on who's side to pick on that little conflict in this episode. Untill the PKC came out.

they easily could have done something else other than the PKC like tossed her in jail or something but whatever, this was made in the 80's. I just want a PKC mask for Halloween.



That's not what Jessica implied, though. If Truhnit should preach the nobleness of sacrificing oneself for the country, he ought to be more involved. His hesitance to answer Jessica's questions should tell you something, but we may only find out in the later episodes.

Very good episode, btw. I'm starting to get into the series now- the character interactions are my favorite part. Animation may be old and choppy, but everything else makes up for it and more.
Yang Wenli is also a fantastic character. Only 3 episodes in, and I'm already in love with the guy.
 
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Great episode. Looks like Free Planets Alliance isn't very Democratic.

Wenli is my favourite character so far.

"The freedom not to get involved"
 
Jul 24, 2009 3:01 PM

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A picture taken by Mount Wilson Observatory just a few days ago



Creepy :P
 
Jul 25, 2009 6:34 AM

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No tactics, and (what do you know) it's significantly better.
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Jul 26, 2009 2:34 AM

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No tactics, and (what do you know) it's significantly better.


I smell hater.. seriously though, if all your gonna do is talk crap about the show and not even discuss it. Then go write a blog or something about how crappy the FIRST 3 episodes of a 110 episode show is.

As for me, i'm loving the show so far. Yang is a terrific main character, it's awesome i can already tell this early in the series.
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Aug 2, 2009 7:08 AM

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Orkel said:

A picture taken by Mount Wilson Observatory just a few days ago



Creepy :P


WHAT.

Anyway, I enjoyed the fact that Yang could hold down a group of 16 with just something that he'd use for watering the lawn. A testament to his abilities? I'd like to say so. :D
 
Aug 6, 2009 10:30 PM

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This series is shedding light on how some so called democracies can be corrupt from the core. I've lived in a country which is called a republic but the system is even worse than a dictatorship with the help of religion. I can totally relate with what they showed of the free planets system so far.

@Ranivus:

In many cases people don't get important posts in governments like that due to their excellence or because they deserve it. In fact it works vice versa most of the time. Best example of such systems are found in so called republic systems in middle east and some African countries.


 
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loved the episode <3
now he's a rear admiral..
the next fights are going to be awesome x)
 
Dec 30, 2009 6:24 AM

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Oh my, that's a democratic republic?
 
Jan 17, 2010 7:18 AM

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This episode made me really like Yang, the water hose thing was hilarious

poor Jessica :( The use of that name in a sci-fi show definitely makes me think of the Dune series though... coincidence?

I love that they are getting into the political stuff so early in the series, and actually doing a good job of portraying it unlike some animes that I won't name...
 
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This is the first episode I could really get behind. I think I'll like the political stuff way more than the battle scenes.

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Jul 16, 2010 12:55 AM

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The Free Planets Alliance is not a free society at all. From the outside, it appears to be freedom and wonderful, but at it's core, the government is no better than the Empire. The show is quick to criticize both forms of government. Democracy or Autocracy - It's all corrupt and immoral.
 
Jul 16, 2010 6:08 PM
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Good episode. Focuses on the Alliance only, we see the "flaws" of the "democratic" system, Jessica getting surrounded by hockey players. They could have given them laser pistols or something... They uses HE grenades but no gun? I guess Jessica's survival is important for the series.

After stressing how it was impossible taking out Iserlohn Fortress in the last episode it will be intersting to see how Yang attempts to do so with half of a regular fleet.


Yeah, more mission impossible tactics, I like it !

 
Aug 9, 2010 10:25 AM

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This anime is picking up really quickly. Each episode has been better than the last, and it looks like the kind of lame tactics from eps. 1&2 won't work against Iserlohn Fortress, so maybe those will be upgraded into something awesome as well.
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Aug 11, 2010 5:12 PM

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oh no i downloaded a version of the anime that doesn't include the epic op song -_-


at last an episode that made sense!
and the world really would've needed a Jessica 60 years ago to tell those deuchebag leaders that they are a bunch of cowards...hear me Hitler?

4/5
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Nov 15, 2010 6:25 PM

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I thought Yang's father was a nuclear engineer, not a merchant.

Also, why is it that they need 18 men to suppress one unarmed woman? I don't understand this lol

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I thought Yang's father was a nuclear engineer, not a merchant.


from what I remember of spiral labyrinth, I'm pretty sure he was a captain of a merchant ship
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Feb 8, 2011 2:36 PM

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Very enjoyable episode.
 
Feb 19, 2011 8:15 AM

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I am at episode 4 and I can't help but wonder what's so bad about the first season? I love the dialogue and Yang's words, they provide insights of social behavior.
 
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Truniht has some fail politics going on. If those radicals had actually killed or even injured Jessica, the media would have raped the Secretary of Defense into the ground. Disregarding his apparently close association with violent extremists, no political figure could get heckled and then have the person in question show up hurt the next day. Practically begging for a scandal.

Yang is very quotable. In this episode alone we got some gems:
"I do hate soldiers, don't I? In this war I've come to hate them more and more."
"You're so impertinent, just like a kid. Kids grow by exploiting adults."
"Mrs., when your child grows up I think a peaceful age will arrive. There will be no need to force him to be a soldier."
 
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That's a cool picture Orkle.

It really only matters who's in power as to whether government is corrupt and immoral. Yang even believes an Autocracy can be great if it's for the people, but the characteristics in that leader may not be passed down to the heirs...obviously he worded it different.
 
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That's quite the corrupt leader the 'Free' Planets Alliance has right there. I guess this is where the saying, "Politicians start wars, and the soldiers have to fight them." or something like that.
 
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It was interesting to see glimpses of what kind of democracy the alliance is. There are always problems with representation and it seems that in this case the society has slipped more towards oligarchy. However, we do not know at this point whether the Secretary of Defense is voicing out popular opinions. It seemed that his message was accepted by the audience so it's possible that the majority believes in the war and that the loss of freedom that the common goal entails is actually liberty. But even if the people are behind the leaders, it just means that the society is ruled by the tyranny of the majority if it's acceptable to silence dissenting voices.

In other words, there's no reason to assume that the alliance is not a real democracy. Rather, the series is showing possible flaws in the democratic system.
 
Mar 20, 2012 8:46 PM

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Yang is turning out to be a great character. I see a lot of potential in this show.
 
Mar 30, 2012 11:01 PM
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Can't say I liked this episode, though I will continue watching. I'm starting to think this show is making fun of Americans. While the wife did overreact and publicly, I find it hard to believe any man would beat up a woman like that, hate these guys. I seriously hope the government isn't in control of these goons, otherwise I'm gonna lose it.

I say he should ditch the army and join the other side and bring his friends and that girl along. Let em all rot.
 
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My Conquest Is the Sea of Stars -> Overture to a New War -> Episode 3

That's the only way I'm ever watching this series again and the only way I'll recommend it to someone else. The transition between Overture and this episode wasn't perfect (Yang's conversation with Julian about him wanting to become a soldier was awkward after a similar conversation in Overture, Yang's promotion was repeated, and it looks like Reinhard's audience with the Kaiser will be repeated next episode), and episodes 1 and 2 had a little bit of content that Overture didn't (notably, information about Iserlohn Foretress and Phezzan). But, at the same time, 1) the transition was good enough, 2) Overture was a substantially better version of the Battle of Astarte, and 3) there was a large leap in script quality between episode 2 and episode 3. I didn't dislike episodes 1 and 2, per se, but I don't think they have a place in the series at this point in time.

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Yang is very quotable.


Seriously. I feel like I could wrap a pair of quotation marks around every sentence that comes from his mouth and post it to a place like Quotations Page. "The freedom to 'not get involved' is perhaps the most valued freedom we have in this country." Chilling. I also love his quip against Truniht through the TV screen:

Truniht: "Citizens, I dare to ask! Why did 1,500,000 soldiers die?!"
Yang: "Because the chief executives' planning directives were unwise."
 
May 22, 2012 7:24 PM

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"The freedom to 'not get involved' is perhaps the most valued freedom we have in this country."

Great line. Stuff like this is one of the many reasons why Yang is probably one of the greatest characters in anime. It seems like every line he speaks is significant and full of wisdom.
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Aug 24, 2012 2:54 PM

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Starting to see what all the hype is about!
Yang is pure win!!

Reinghardd is fantastic as well!!

A very intelligent show, and I already love the war tactics. I'm sure they just get better an better.

I'm gonna try to marathon this one, we'll see how that goes!

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I really like Yang's "Kids grow by exploiting adults line," myself.

Great episode! That women at the end saying, "Both my husband and my son achieved glorious death in battle fighting in the Alliance Forces," then asking Yang to encourage her son who wants to be a soldier was just the saddest thing. Yang's "...when that child grows up, I think a peaceful age will arrive," was perfect. So far all my favorite moments in this series have been all these little things that take place outside of battle. The Bolero battle in the movie was great, sure, but all these little world and character building moments are what really get me excited about this series. At the same time, though, I also look forward to when the battles become grander and more strategic.
 
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@ link9us

You are clearly posting on the wrong forums. You are watching "Legend of the Legendary Heroes" right? You are posting on the Legend of the Galactic Heroes forum and spoiling events for that other show in the process.
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Mar 4, 2013 10:27 AM

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I love the focus this episode had on ''The Free Planets Alliance'' and that they were quite the opposite. It reminded me of the book nineteen-eighty four by George Orwell where there were party's called; the ministry of truth, ministry of love etc. that worked against those very same things.
 
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The first time I saw a pic of Yang Wenli, I knew I'm going to like him. He is a very qouteable character. My favorite character in this show for now.
 
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Jessica was so bold to stand before the statists. She almost died by the hand of the side her husband died fighting for. :S

The "freedom to not get involved"...That's true in any democracy, I'm sure. :\
 
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Was an okay episode. I just feel like their isn't to much emotion going on with the events somehow, things happen to "suddenly" ... But anyways have high hopes for this series.
 
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It all seems a bit far-fetched, unoriginal, clichéd and pretentious.
I'm not sure this is living up to my expectations...
 
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HiNT74 said:
It all seems a bit far-fetched, unoriginal, clichéd and pretentious.
I'm not sure this is living up to my expectations...


If you haven't watched the movies My Conquest is the Sea of Stars and Overture to a New War, I recommend doing so. Even if you don't this show will get better. Just have faith.
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Ah, Alliance has it's own secret police/ make-annoying-guys-disappear force. Apparently they just wanted to scare Jessica and beat her up a little as they showed up as a big group to scare her. Except they didn't manage to keep heir heads cool after Yang showed up and rescued Jessica. That firehose scene was hilarious. xD

I like Yang, he is saying great quote material nearly every time he opens his mouth.
 
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Some recent events in the news made me think back to this episode. If want to see something of a real life equivalent to the PKC, look to the Russian Cossacks.
 
May 1, 2014 12:49 AM

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I thought this was going to turn into a hentai when all those guys in masks surrounded Jessica. Truniht and the PKC, I dislike these kind of people. I hope they get their comeuppance.
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This show is really good so far. I love the soundtrack of it, the classical music just gives a relaxing air to some of the more tension-filled scenes. It somehow works.

I think I like Yang more than Reinhard at this point. It's too early to tell still, but Yang seems to just be more relatable and nicer and he makes me laugh sometimes, while Reinhard is cool but nothing more than that.
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May 31, 2014 10:41 PM

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This yang guy is so freaking likable already.

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Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit,

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Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me

 
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I skipped the first two episodes because I watched it in movie form (Overture) and went directly to this.

It's amazing. So much stuff happened in just this episode alone.

JizzyHitler said:
This yang guy is so freaking likable already.

adamantine said:
This is the first episode I could really get behind. I think I'll like the political stuff way more than the battle scenes.

This.

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watch nodame cantabile

recommend me anything!
 
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mayukachan said:
I skipped the first two episodes because I watched it in movie form (Overture) and went directly to this.



I feel like you may have missed a scene then. There is a scene at the end, I believe, of episode 2 in a grave yard where Yang meets Jessica. Maybe that was in the movie, though. I can't remember.
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