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Sep 16, 2010 2:35 PM

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NorikoW said:
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cant....let..them....make....another.....fail....season....urgh @______@


Aww come on! Didn't you like this season? Or the ending at all?

EVERYTHING IN IT
IT.WAS.A.BIG.HUGE.FAIL
 
Sep 16, 2010 2:37 PM

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LuciferTheAngel said:
NorikoW said:
LuciferTheAngel said:
cant....let..them....make....another.....fail....season....urgh @______@


Aww come on! Didn't you like this season? Or the ending at all?

EVERYTHING IN IT
IT.WAS.A.BIG.HUGE.FAIL


THIS x INFINITY
 
Sep 16, 2010 2:38 PM

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But nooo, let's give screentime to Hannah.


Well it was about time she finally played a role in the series.
I mean, now we know she isn't this mindless maid who's just FANSERVICE to the
season..she plays a role..and quote an important one..


Meh, I don't care.
I prefer the characters that also appears in the manga. (Well, Alois is an exeption)
And overall, Grell, Will and Knoxie are just more loveable characters than her.

Can't use a character who just got "useful" in the last two episodes and were just pointless icky fanservice at first.

love is such a strange thing
but with you, it doesn't matter

 
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Summary here BY Nayama

Episode begins.

Hannah, Sebastian and Claude are in a boat on a river. Hannah says that since Alois made a contract with her from Ciel's body Ciel and his soul were involved and now he couldn't "surface" anymore. Not until he would be released by the completion of Alois and Hannah's contract. But she doesn't want to tell them what the contract is about (in other words, what Alois wished).
She tells Seb & Claude that according to her contract with Alois one of them (either Seb or Claude I mean) would need to die, and when the other consequently wins Alois would release Ciel's soul. Hannah: "And after that...", Claude: "If we strangle you...", Hannah: "My entrails will shine in a noble blue and Ciel Phantomhive will come back to life."

Title: "Kuroshitsuji" - "Black Butler". As I said in another post, the first episode was written Kuroshitsuji too but with different characters, so that it was a pun between "kuroodo" (Claude) and "kuro" (black). This one is genuinely "black butler".

They arrive on the Isle of Death. Claude refers to it as "a sanctuary for demons" and complains that Sebastian ruined it a bit too much when he got angry because Ciel's soul was stolen.
Hannah tells them that they brought them there to have a formal demon duel.

Inside Ciel, Alois and Ciel are sitting on a broken chessboard. Alois tells Ciel that once his wish has been granted he will definitely die, Hannah will eat his soul and he will give back the body to Ciel. He says he's sorry but it's Ciel's punishment for being too high-class, since both Claude and Sebastian love him. Ciel replies: "Love? That's gross. You don't know Sebastian and what he will do once he finds out the contents of the contract..."

Outside, Sebastian pulls the demon sword out of Hannah while Claude holds her. She throws the swords above her so that it gets stuck in the ceiling of the cave and says: "Any kind of attack is not deadly to demons. But the wounds inflicted by the demon sword never heal, and a soul pierced by it will meet its complete end." I guess that by "a soul" she means the soul of a demon... So basically they need to try and kill each other with the sword.

They start fighting. What they say during the fight is not very important, so I won't be translating it. If you're wondering what that "meri-meri" they keep on saying is, it means to crack or wreck something XD (it's basically an onomatopoeia)
The reason Seb destroys everything is because he was complaining the place was too small.

Back inside Ciel.
Ciel: "My revenge is completed. The only reason I was still alive was for him to eat my soul."
Alois: "Because of my contract with Hannah, that came to nothing."
Ciel: "Miserable demons, fighting cluelessly. They don't know that even if one of them were to win, what he would get in the end is..."

In the meanwhile Seb manages to get the sword and stab Claude.
Claude talks about dying while fighting for Ciel's very delicious soul, but Seb cuts him off saying that he would die because that's what Alois had planned, so in other words he was toyed with. "You were controlled by him until the end."
Claude asks him to get his spare glasses from his chest pocket. Then he says: "If he had been able to create a stir in this listless demon life, his soul would probably have been worth devouring too". Seb comments that he speaks a lot to be someone who's about to die.
Then Claude says his last words: "Sincerity into insincerity, lie into truth, a stray dog into an Earl. This is the... 's... butler."
Seb: "As whose butler did you decide to die in the end, Mr Claude?"

Back inside Ciel. Ciel asks Alois if he's satisfied now that everything's over, and he replies: "I don't know. But I'm fine with not knowing." Then he vanishes.
Ciel: "Sebastian, the truth is before your eyes. What will you do once you know everything?"

Hannah, with a moved voice, tells Alois that happiness has arrived and Claude finally ackowledged him. Then he tells Sebastian that her contract with Alois is completed, so now he just needs to kill her so that Ciel will get back his body. (This is what they were implying in the beginning when Claude talked about strangling her) "But... even once he has recovered his body, Ciel Phantomhive will be the same as dead for you. Our happiness is now completed. Ciel Phantomhive is..." then she jumps off the cliff and says something that we don't hear. Sebastian looks very much shocked. He dives into the water.

We see a flashback of Alois and Hannah inside the clock tower. She asks him his wish. She suggests that if it's Claude's love he wants, he can basically force it by wishing for it. But his wish is for both demons to become unable of have Ciel's soul. Hannah: "Shall I kill them?"
Alois: "No, not that. Like I saw Claude's love before me but couldn't have it, [I want them to experience the same feeling]" (he doesn't say that but it's what's implied).

Seb has dived. "Bocchan will be the same as dead for me. Her words mean that...".
In the meanwhile, Hannah goes to the place where Claude is lying, dead. She says: "The love of the four of us (Luka, Alois, Hannah, Claude) has reached the final cliff." We hear Alois' voice talking to Luka: "Luka, now we're together. Hannah and Claude are here too. We won't be lonely anymore. Everybody, completely happy."

Seb is still underwater and remembers the early days when he had just become a butler for Ciel. Ciel tries a cake but then throws it in his face, commenting that it's only visually beautiful and actually inspid. Seb says that he would bring a new one. Ciel complains that he is a butler and so he should act like it's proper for a butler.
Seb (present one) comments: "I am a demon, I cannot understand what tastes good to humans. I can only understand the flavor of a human's soul."
Ciel opens his eyes. They are red. Seb punches him through his chest and lots of blood floods around.

Intermission. The tarot card is... lol yeah, "The Devil".

Back to the Phantomhive mansion. Everything looks a lot like the beginning of season 1, just that... Ciel's nails are black. And the clothes Sebastian puts on him are dark too. When Seb ties his ribbon Ciel's visible eye flashes red and he says: "Want to make it tighter?" Seb: "No."
Seb pretends to prepare tea (New Moon Drop) and Ciel pretends to drink it. Ciel asks him about the schedule and Seb answers that there is nothing scheduled.
Mey-Rin enters to tell Ciel that Elizabeth arrived at the house. All Ciel says is: "I see. I will decided the schedule for today." Sebastian doesn't look pleased.

Sebastian instructs Bard and Finny to act properly and not rudely with Elizabeth, and they ask him where he is going. He says he has something to do.
Elizabeth hugs Ciel saying that she missed him and comments that his clothes are not cute because the color is dull. Ciel answers: "Shall we change them then? Like that time." Hearing that, Elizabeth realizes that he got his memories back. He invites her to dance and well, they dance.
She asks him where the ring is, but he just smiles, a bit eerily. The music is eerie too, as she points out. Ciel comments that maybe the gramophone is broken. Lizzie seems to want to say more but desists.

Sebastian is at Lau's place. We understand that Lau managed to survived because Seb let him go without bothering to kill him, then Lau repaid the favor by agreeing to play dumb around Ciel. He gives him a packet saying it's to thank him, and also adds that Ciel won't be around because he'll be leaving London for a while. He also reports a message from Ciel: "I thought about killing you, but I cannot be bothered, so you can live your life. Just be sure to do it where I can't see you." Lau realizes (and says out loud) that he got his memories back and asks Seb where they are headed, but he's vanished.

The Kalafina song starts playing and we see Sebastian visiting the other characters to bring them the same parcel he gave Lau. Then he goes back to the mansion.
The servants seem sad that he's going away. Ciel tells them that they can use the mansion as they like, they can even burn it down if they wish. Bard: "But we could never do that!", Ciel: "Why?", Finny: "Because it has our memories with you!", Ciel: "Hn, memories are meaningless. Didn't I prove it?", Mey-Rin: "But, bocchan...!"
Eventually they leave.

Seb and Ciel are in the carriage.
Ciel: "I was looking forward to see what you would do once you knew about the contents of the contract, but that was funny indeed, Sebastian. Trying to kill me."
Sebastian is not pleased.
Seb: "After you accomplished your revenge I could eat your soul. That is why I worked as a butler for you."
Ciel: "But I'm here, alive."
Seb: "Yes, you are alive. But not as a human. As a demon." (Insert my *facepalm* here lol. Yeah I mean, I noticed it way before, but this is when Seb stating it out loud caused my facepalm 8D)
We see a flashback of Hannah falling off the cliff and we hear what she actually said: "According to the contract I made with my master, Ciel Phantomhive will come back to life as a demon". Seb (voiceover): "That is why I..."
Seb has taken Ciel into the boat. He's not injured, despite Seb's punch from a while ago.
Ciel: "Quite the sudden greeting. You tried to kill me before I woke up as a demon."
Seb: "No, I only thought I ought to check whether you had really become a demon."
Ciel: "I see. So you just wanted to have a perfect grasp of the situation. It was a right choice as a butler."
Once again, Sebastian is not pleased.
Voiceover again. "I won't ever be able to eat your soul."
Ciel: "Yes. And in that rose labyrinth, I gave you an order." The contract seal in his eye appears. "You will be my butler, forever."
Seb: "Yes. And since I replied 'yes' to that order, even if I cannot eat your soul, I am still a demon. A demon's butler."

Soma and Agni open the parcel, which contains a Funtom candy and a card on which the following words appear: "In memory of Ciel Phantomhive, Who died at Aug, 26th, 1889 AGED 13 YEARS."

Seb and Ciel are in a rose garden on the top of a cliff.
Seb: "Where shall we go?"
Ciel: "I don't care. Because anyway, what we will reach in the end is that place which is equal to both humans and demons."
Seb walks up to the edge of the cliff.
Ciel: "It feels good. Like I've been set free from a long spell."
Seb: "Yes. On the other hand, I earned an everlasting spell."
Ciel: "You are my butler."
Seb: "I am your butler. Forever."
Ciel: "From now on, your answer will be only one. You understand, right?"
They jump off the cliff.
Seb: "Yes, My Lord."


The End.

....or not? >_>;

I can see a season 3 coming...
I swear my face is facepalm-shaped, but as I said in a previous post I'm coming to terms with this development. I'll view this as Yana's personal doujinshi, lol. What she would like to see but would never use in her manga, hahaha 8D *facepalm with two hands*
I'm serious. And well, Seb is not pleased so that's good. I feel sorry for him though, but I can see him getting his dinner in the end. Just that... I don't know WHEN this "end" will come, lol. I think he should get some snacks in the meanwhile, I have the feeling it will be long >_>

Now I can see the fandom getting flooded by demon!Ciel fanarts, fanfics and moar @_@ People who like it should look forward to it, lol. I can kinda foresee an eventual season 3 being fanservice galore. *prepares to die from overload*

Oh and btw, am I the only one who is now curious about the mysterious last OVA contained in DVD9??? 8D
 
Sep 16, 2010 2:40 PM
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LuciferTheAngel said:
NorikoW said:
Lol but I'd love to see a Kuroshitsuji in modern world
and Ciel as a demon xD
Fans can dream.. but dream come true :P

How can I post a request in Yana's website/ blog?

OMG , we can request?!!
then must request her a sebby and ciel adult yaoi OVA xDDDD
im serous o_o


HAHAAHA xD
That would be WOW xDD
I'd watch it for Ciel and Sebby <333

I'm serious too and if anyone knows how to post a request like how those fans
complained about 1st season ending, please help us xP
 
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DominateOne said:

I can see a season 3 coming...
I swear my face is facepalm-shaped, but as I said in a previous post I'm coming to terms with this development. I'll view this as Yana's personal doujinshi, lol. What she would like to see but would never use in her manga, hahaha 8D *facepalm with two hands*
I'm serious. And well, Seb is not pleased so that's good. I feel sorry for him though, but I can see him getting his dinner in the end. Just that... I don't know WHEN this "end" will come, lol. I think he should get some snacks in the meanwhile, I have the feeling it will be long >_>

Now I can see the fandom getting flooded by demon!Ciel fanarts, fanfics and moar @_@ People who like it should look forward to it, lol. I can kinda foresee an eventual season 3 being fanservice galore. *prepares to die from overload*

Oh and btw, am I the only one who is now curious about the mysterious last OVA contained in DVD9??? 8D

STOP SAYING THERES A 3TH SEASON
OR I HAVE SICKNESS FROM MY STOMACHE D8
cant......live.....without.....fanservice......argh....*dies heart attack by kira*
 
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I thought I kinda liked the idea of Ciel becoming a demon & being able to stay with Sebastian, but now that I've seen it played out like this...not so much. As tortured as I was over the original Kuroshitsuji ending, I much preferred it to this one.

*sigh...*
Despite enjoying bits & pieces of this second series, I think, overall, I'd rather just pretend none of this ever happened... (Though that means never having been introduced to Claude & going back to disliking Grell..so I just can't win, really T_T)

I did like Sebastian putting Claude's glasses back on for him before he died. It almost seemed like Sebastian was kinda showing respect to Claude as an adversary in their own weird, begrudging, demon-y way. Or maybe I'm just reading too much into it lol

Oh, and *yea* for seeing Undertaker again. Sebastian putting his memorial gift in the coffin made me smile.

I kinda hate Alois now, though.

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And well, Ciel looks cute with black nail polish.

^ & I liked Ciel's new outfit too. ^^
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I wasn't the one saying that.. SOOO SHUT UP!
 
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DominateOne said:

....or not? >_>;

I can see a season 3 coming...
I swear my face is facepalm-shaped, but as I said in a previous post I'm coming to terms with this development. I'll view this as Yana's personal doujinshi, lol. What she would like to see but would never use in her manga, hahaha 8D *facepalm with two hands*
I'm serious. And well, Seb is not pleased so that's good. I feel sorry for him though, but I can see him getting his dinner in the end. Just that... I don't know WHEN this "end" will come, lol. I think he should get some snacks in the meanwhile, I have the feeling it will be long >_>

Now I can see the fandom getting flooded by demon!Ciel fanarts, fanfics and moar @_@ People who like it should look forward to it, lol. I can kinda foresee an eventual season 3 being fanservice galore. *prepares to die from overload*

Oh and btw, am I the only one who is now curious about the mysterious last OVA contained in DVD9??? 8D


Finally someone else thinks there's a hint of a 3rd season. An open ending should mean that, otherwise it's the mysterious ova in the DVD..
 
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thank god that kuroshitsuji isnt like those unlimited 100+ episodes anime...
just sayin..
 
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And for the record, Yes I do what a 3rd season... so I hope you do feel all sick and stuff and you better not be in the 3rd season fourm!
 
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NorikoW said:
LuciferTheAngel said:
NorikoW said:
Lol but I'd love to see a Kuroshitsuji in modern world
and Ciel as a demon xD
Fans can dream.. but dream come true :P

How can I post a request in Yana's website/ blog?

OMG , we can request?!!
then must request her a sebby and ciel adult yaoi OVA xDDDD
im serous o_o


HAHAAHA xD
That would be WOW xDD
I'd watch it for Ciel and Sebby <333

it would be more awesome'r , than senstive pornograph , or boku no pico
 
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LuciferTheAngel said:
NorikoW said:
LuciferTheAngel said:
NorikoW said:
Lol but I'd love to see a Kuroshitsuji in modern world
and Ciel as a demon xD
Fans can dream.. but dream come true :P

How can I post a request in Yana's website/ blog?

OMG , we can request?!!
then must request her a sebby and ciel adult yaoi OVA xDDDD
im serous o_o


HAHAAHA xD
That would be WOW xDD
I'd watch it for Ciel and Sebby <333

it would be more awesome'r , than senstive pornograph , or boku no pico


I don't know what the hell that is xD
I can't stand yaoi much

but really, I don't understand why you hate Kuroshitsuji II too much..
 
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Well now that I read the summary I must say I feel a bit sorry for Sebastian. Don't get me wrong, he did deserve something bad for lying to Ciel but... this was a bit too much. I mean he's truly f****d now, there's nothing he can do.
 
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DominateOne said:
Summary here BY Nayama

Claude talks about dying while fighting for Ciel's very delicious soul, but Seb cuts him off saying that he would die because that's what Alois had planned, so in other words he was toyed with. "You were controlled by him until the end."
Claude asks him to get his spare glasses from his chest pocket. Then he says: "If
he had been able to create a stir in this listless demon life, his soul would probably have been worth devouring too". Seb comments that he speaks a lot to be someone who's about to die.
Seb: "As whose butler did you decide to die in the end, Mr Claude?"


Hannah, with a moved voice, tells Alois that happiness has arrived and Claude finally ackowledged him.

In the meanwhile, Hannah goes to the place where Claude is lying, dead. She says: "The love of the four of us (Luka, Alois, Hannah, Claude) has reached the final cliff." We hear Alois' voice talking to Luka: "Luka, now we're together. Hannah and Claude are here too. We won't be lonely anymore. Everybody, completely happy."


Ok let's just consider these passages. Has anyone of you understood what went on? I don't understand what Sebastian means when he says Alois always controlled Claude, I don't know what Claude means when he says "if he had been able to create a stiff in this listless demon's life etc".
What does Hannah mean when she says Claude acknowledged Alois?
And what does it mean that they are all completely happy? Does this mean that Hannah and Claude's souls are with Luca and Alois?
Please if someone understood, I'd be very grateful if you could explain these passages to me.
 
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NorikoW said:
LuciferTheAngel said:
NorikoW said:
LuciferTheAngel said:
NorikoW said:
Lol but I'd love to see a Kuroshitsuji in modern world
and Ciel as a demon xD
Fans can dream.. but dream come true :P

How can I post a request in Yana's website/ blog?

OMG , we can request?!!
then must request her a sebby and ciel adult yaoi OVA xDDDD
im serous o_o


HAHAAHA xD
That would be WOW xDD
I'd watch it for Ciel and Sebby <333

it would be more awesome'r , than senstive pornograph , or boku no pico


but really, I don't understand why you hate Kuroshitsuji II too much..

i dont really "hate" it , there were some cool things in it
i just dislike the 2nd season , cause theres less humor , some confusing scenes , disturbing scene's (like that hannah and the eye >.>)

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Well now that I read the summary I must say I feel a bit sorry for Sebastian. Don't get me wrong, he did deserve something bad for lying to Ciel but... this was a bit too much. I mean he's truly f****d now, there's nothing he can do.

yeah right :(
 
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So Sebastian tried to kill Ciel too. It seems to have become a fashion among demon butlers to kill their masters.
 
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So Sebastian tried to kill Ciel too. It seems to have become a fashion among demon butlers to kill their masters.

you mean "eat his soul''?
 
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Awwww Ciel-kun~~

Can't stop crying (y__y)
 
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LuciferTheAngel said:
Astrid_ said:
So Sebastian tried to kill Ciel too. It seems to have become a fashion among demon butlers to kill their masters.

you mean "eat his soul''?


No, I mean when Sebastian punched Ciel in the end, and Ciel also asks him about him later, saying: "I was looking forward to see what you would do once you knew about the contents of the contract, but that was funny indeed, Sebastian. Trying to kill me."
Sebastian realized he couldn't eat his soul anymore and wanted him dead, just like Claude wanted Alois dead once he realized he wasn't interested in his soul anymore. As I said, it's becoming a tradition.
 
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hmm first alois then the tribles then claude and hannah
the hole trancy household is death
thats something i totally hate the servents were alll awesome but now the phantomhives can live on


 
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Astrid_ said:
So Sebastian tried to kill Ciel too. It seems to have become a fashion among demon butlers to kill their masters.


To be fair, he just tried to kill him before he turned into a demon. :/
He had the right to get his meal.
I feel so sorry for him, really!

love is such a strange thing
but with you, it doesn't matter

 
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Mony-Chan said:
Astrid_ said:
So Sebastian tried to kill Ciel too. It seems to have become a fashion among demon butlers to kill their masters.


To be fair, he just tried to kill him before he turned into a demon. :/
He had the right to get his meal.
I feel so sorry for him, really!


Heh I do not adore Sebastian, but I feel some kind of sympathy towards him right now because he was really punished too much. Not only because he didn't get his meal, but also because he doesn't have his freedom anymore and moreover Ciel turned into a little devil who seems determined to make his life miserable from now on. Seems that Ciel's cruelness, which Sebastian always loved, is now turning against him, and he loves it a little less.
 
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Astrid_ said:
LuciferTheAngel said:
Astrid_ said:
So Sebastian tried to kill Ciel too. It seems to have become a fashion among demon butlers to kill their masters.

you mean "eat his soul''?


No, I mean when Sebastian punched Ciel in the end, and Ciel also asks him about him later, saying: "I was looking forward to see what you would do once you knew about the contents of the contract, but that was funny indeed, Sebastian. Trying to kill me."
Sebastian realized he couldn't eat his soul anymore and wanted him dead, just like Claude wanted Alois dead once he realized he wasn't interested in his soul anymore. As I said, it's becoming a tradition.

oya , you gotta good point there...but its kinda depressing you know =(
 
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Mony-Chan said:

To be fair, he just tried to kill him before he turned into a demon. :/
He had the right to get his meal.
I feel so sorry for him, really!

this
 
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I hoped to see Alois a little bit more in the last episode after he disappears completely.. but I was wrong again.

At first, I found that season interesting, but after Alois death it went kinda shitty.
This season was sad, I like the first one much better.

I don't like it that they killed off all the new characters, but yeah, it was a filler season, so they might had to die.. kinda reminds me of Darker than Black where most of the characters died in season one and two lol.

AND CIEL AS DEMON? WHAT? HOW? I need subs!

Gonna miss you anyway Alois ): At least you are now with the ones you love! (:
 
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even though the subs aren't out i still watched it and was surprised at how much i could understand...but i will watch it again when the subs come out! ^^'
anyways..........i really loved this season! all the new characters & the plot line were all wonderful! i wish they could've given more time for alois in the last ep since he suffered a whole lot.....but he finally got what he wished for: to be w/his bro, hannah & claude as a family ^^
honestly, the ending was EXTREMELY bittersweet =.=' (good, bad, sad....you name it T^T) and as for ciel becoming a demon, I WAS SHOCKED! O.O but happy for him since now he can stay w/his fav butler sebastian for eternity. but i wasn't as happy for sebastian cause he now can't eat ciel's soul, which was the deal initially, but since the contract was changed......he has to live on w/ciel as a demon......(i'm surprised that demons could also make contracts like that as well...hmmmm interesting....)
well hannah gave sebby a wonderful & interesting gift ^^'
claude.......sigh......i loved him when the season started out and when alois was killed, i hated him w/ a passion >X(
but now that he was defeated by sebastian, he admitted & acknowledged alois, which was nice ^^
sigh.......it's very sad that the entire trancy house had to die.....i wished they could live on like ciel did (even though he's dead....in the world of the living =.=')....but that's just me being too wishful.....and what? no yuya song this time?! T^T it would've been a beautiful ending song....but i loved the kalafina (alois's death) song! >,<
 
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Will be now commenting thoughts throughout the lastest raw episode as I watch it.
-Did they stop coming up with ideas for the episodes? Its not cool to copy what happened last season with the boats and all that.
-Why the heck are Sebastian and Claude just going along with whatever Hannah's saying? I mean I know she made a contract and everything, but seriously.
-Is this the Alois and Ciel BFF scene I've practically been waiting all season for?!
-Whoa, for a second, I thought there was going to be some freaky demon threesome. Don't blame me, that's how it looks. DO NOT WANT
-Claude you bitch, stop cheating all the time.
-This just proves that you don't take away Sebastian's shota. He gets really pissed off if you do.
-For a second or two, Claude seems like the old Claude, you know. When he still seemed normal before jizzing out at Ciel's blood.
-If you hear cracking while you on the end of ledge, I think its most likely that ledge is going to BREAK
-What the heck? First Hannah's with AloisCiel then she's falling down in the water, next she's with Claude. I need SUBS
-Holy F---!?! Ciel... Ciel... has red eyes! Oh not cool dude. Just going to some other place completely now?! Not COOL. Though its funny that someone posted a video in the last forum that totally predicted something along these lines with the whole demon thing. Did not see that coming.
-What the hell just happened? Apparently Sebasatian is the santa of DEATH and Tanaka is head bulter again. The trio sure looks sad ;A; For some reason, it feels like Sebastian is remorseful or somthing. Ronald Knox apperance FTW
-Ciel has the contract still and he's looking certainly more badass than usual. Its official that he's dead though?

So was this the last episode or what? Things just got even more f-------- up in the ending. Why did they even bother making a second season in the first place? Why make us fall in love with characters to only kill them off in the end. This must be revenge for all the angry letters fans sent about last season's end.
I just feel so confused.
 
Sep 16, 2010 4:29 PM
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Is Ciel going to be 13 forever then? I gues demons don't age.
 
Sep 16, 2010 4:31 PM

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must make this ep an AMV with song "Its ends tonight" XD
 
Sep 16, 2010 4:32 PM

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LMAO!!!! that was a wonderful thought process! >,<
the bff scene....pfffahaha XD
but yeah it seems like it's the last ep....even though it's open-ended T^T
I HATE CLIFFHANGERS.....but i get what the ending was hinting =.='
but yes......sad....confusing.....and happy at the same time.....^^
 
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-Not a forum poster, but bare with me?-

I actually enjoyed the ending to this season. I thought it was very well done and put together. A lot of people seem to be disappointed that Sebastian didn't get to eat Ciel's soul, but, I think it's not meant to be that simple. Yana could have given us an ending that was super generic, "WOOHOO! Sebastian finally get's his tasty dinner!" But, instead, she made it more complex. Mostly, with character development.

Sebastian got screwed over. And he's mad. He has all the rights to be angry, he won't get his hands on Ciel's soul nor, will his master be the same as before, he's a demon now. But his anger, his frustration over it shows a different side to Sebastian, similar with his jealous. It makes him seem more human. If he would have thrown himself at Demon! Ciel, similar to way Claude might have, it would have been repulsing.

Ciel, proven to be even more selfish than we thought. He seems pleased that Sebastian is basically sentenced to spending all of eternity with him, constantly reminded of the soul which he could have had and will never possess. It shows how sadistic Ciel is.

Overal, I think the ending was dark and beautiful. Especially with the traditional, "Yes, my lord," at the end.
Sure, there were some plot holes, (Claude dying so quickly, Claude and Sebastian's undying hatred for one another, Claude setting Sebastian up, Hannah being some random badass, etc.) Overall, I completely enjoyed this season. <3

/two cents.
 
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I don't think Ciel will be the kind of demon who makes contracts. I suspect he'll be the kind who mercilessly eats random souls and grows crueler and crueler everyday.
 
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EVERYTHING IN IT
IT.WAS.A.BIG.HUGE.FAIL


Why was it such a fail? :( I guess, I just don't understand what everyone is so upset about. The imagery alone in it made it quite a season, as well as character development.
 
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This ending seems almost appropiate. What with the whole hater Claude haters getting "Claude got what was coming to him" and Alois haters getting what the finally wanted. Alois lovers got the last laugh it would almost seem because now he has all these people with him (i.e. Claude, Luka and Hannah). Though the last laugh goes to the people that wanted Sebastian punished for all the lies he told and now its all ironic and stuff that the cruel personality that he liked about Ciel is now forever focused on him. Ciel lovers got the "Ciel's soul wasn't devoured" deal. Sebastian is going to forever stay by his side and it SEEMS all good.

Though its not, I dunno, but this ending just really unsettles me. Like something epic were missing on and s--- it going to hit the fans after some intense hating going on between Sebastian and Ciel because of the fact that Sebastian is stuck with the butler shtick and Ciel being even more b------ than usual. I love them both, but this season makes me feel like things are going to get out of hand and the metaphorical dam is gonna break where ALL HELL breaks loose.

Does anyone feel like that?
 
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So after all the fuck of season 1&2, Sebastian gets to be Ciel's eternal dog. Really?!!!!

What the hell is up with.....??:
Ciel: "From now on, your answer will be only one. You understand, right?"
Seb: "Yes, My Lord."
Sebastian has to say yes to everything Sebastian says. A babysitter?? Ha ha it must be a practical joke.
Never really like Ciel and never will.

Alois is quiet a fucked up bratty kid, don't get me wrong, love him for his personality but...messing up with Sebastian isn't something that tolerable. He should just mind his own business and issues with Cluade. It is hard to hate Alois but can't help it for the time being.

Season 1's ending was wayyyyyy better. Though giving the series 10/10
Epic Kalafina's song makes me cry more with the painful moments of the show.

Thanks to DominateOne and Nayama for the post and the translation, respectively.
 
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@hammychan: omg! i so agree! yana did go for an ending that was not safe....and it worked! ^^
and it did make sebastian seem more human....although i think this entire season seemed to humanize sebastian >.>' plus, ciel is loving the fact that sebastian has to stick w/him for eternity XD
and ciel is finally showing other sides of himself now that he's a demon! he was able to smile, really smile, for lizzy.....honestly, this ep showed a lot of character development especially for ciel ^^
i give this season two thumbs up b(>,<)d
@nic_lan: yeah the ending did make things kinda complicated and open-ended but at least it was a good conclusion....of some sort....to the anime....everyone got what they wanted.....some way or another......
but that's why i said earlier that the ending was bittersweet.......all in all i'm satisfied.... saddened but satisfied :)
 
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Linalee-Stratos said:
So after all the fuck of season 1&2, Sebastian gets to be Ciel's eternal dog. Really?!!!!

What the hell is up with.....??:
Ciel: "From now on, your answer will be only one. You understand, right?"
Seb: "Yes, My Lord."
Sebastian has to say yes to everything Sebastian says. A babysitter?? Ha ha it must be a practical joke.
Never really like Ciel and never will.

Alois is quiet a fucked up bratty kid, don't get me wrong, love him for his personality but...messing up with Sebastian isn't something that tolerable. He should just mind his own business and issues with Cluade. It is hard to hate Alois but can't help it for the time being.

Season 1's ending was wayyyyyy better. Though giving the series 10/10
Epic Kalafina's song makes me cry more with the painful moments of the show.

Thanks to DominateOne and Nayama for the post and the translation, respectively.

agreed , gosh i hate yana now =__________________=
 
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my rating to the kuroshitsuji series
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season 1 : 10/10
season 2 : 5.5/10
i dunno why when alois dies , everything sucked
 
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tokidokimidori said:
@hammychan: omg! i so agree! yana did go for an ending that was not safe....and it worked! ^^
and it did make sebastian seem more human....although i think this entire season seemed to humanize sebastian >.>' plus, ciel is loving the fact that sebastian has to stick w/him for eternity XD
and ciel is finally showing other sides of himself now that he's a demon! he was able to smile, really smile, for lizzy.....honestly, this ep showed a lot of character development especially for ciel ^^
i give this season two thumbs up b(>,<)d


Yay! Someone agrees with me. :))) Thankfully. I'm always afraid to post on these threads, I'm afraid I'll get eaten alive.
& >) Yes, I think Ciel will enjoy having Sebastian by his side...forever. *insert evil laugh*
 
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Not what I was expecting.

I'm also crying. Just... wow... I'm not sad, yet I'm crying... ONLY ME! -sniff-

The biggest moments:
- Alois is physical form (I fangasmed!!)
- Claude getting stabbed and dying (I will admit- I was teary eyed)
- Hanna cuddling up next to Claude and dying...? (Made me gag and punch the pillow)
- Ciel like... exploding. (I was like O__O)
- Ciel with the demon eyes (Also O__O)
- Sebastian carrying Ciel (IT WAS BIG TO ME!! Cute and sad...)

I need a hug ; - ;
 
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Gamer2009 said:
Not what I was expecting.

I'm also crying. Just... wow... I'm not sad, yet I'm crying... ONLY ME! -sniff-

The biggest moments:
- Alois is physical form (I fangasmed!!)
- Claude getting stabbed and dying (I will admit- I was teary eyed)
- Hanna cuddling up next to Claude and dying...? (Made me gag and punch the pillow)
- Ciel like... exploding. (I was like O__O)
- Ciel with the demon eyes (Also O__O)
- Sebastian carrying Ciel (IT WAS BIG TO ME!! Cute and sad...)

I need a hug ; - ;

*hugs you tightly*
there there babe , every thing is okay U_U
 
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I don't understand what Sebastian means when he says Alois always controlled Claude, I don't know what Claude means when he says "if he had been able to create a stiff in this listless demon's life etc".
What does Hannah mean when she says Claude acknowledged Alois?
And what does it mean that they are all completely happy? Does this mean that Hannah and Claude's souls are with Luca and Alois?
Please if someone understood, I'd be very grateful if you could explain these passages to me.
I guess it means that what Hannah told the demons about the whole 'fight until someone survives', is actually a farce. Even if Sebastian would have lost, in the end Hannah would have killed Claude becuase what Alois actually wants is Claude's death and being devoured by Hannah.

So basically, Alois playing a little trick was something Cluade found interesting and in other words, it means his soul became somehwhat delicious enough to be consumed by Claude.

Once a demon devours a soul, it becomes one with the demon. Hannah made it possible for the devoured souls to communicate. Though I have still doubts about this.

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agreed , gosh i hate yana now =__________________=
Yana made Sebastian. Very hard to hate her.
 
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Subs. I need them.
 
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LuciferTheAngel said:
agreed , gosh i hate yana now =__________________=
Yana made Sebastian. Very hard to hate her.

...why you're always so right?? xD

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Why was it such a fail? :( I guess, I just don't understand what everyone is so upset about. The imagery alone in it made it quite a season, as well as character development.

here we go again =_=
 
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Hammychanx3 said:
Why was it such a fail? :( I guess, I just don't understand what everyone is so upset about. The imagery alone in it made it quite a season, as well as character development.

here we go again =_=


What? :(
 
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Sebastian looks depressed =< The poor guy can't chase after another soul ever again...

I'm curious whether Ciel will ever try making pacts & eating souls though....=o
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Hammychanx3 said:
Hammychanx3 said:
Why was it such a fail? :( I guess, I just don't understand what everyone is so upset about. The imagery alone in it made it quite a season, as well as character development.

here we go again =_=


What? :(

why is it fail?
isnt clear enough?
1-early character death (even its a new one!)
2-confusing scenes
3-disturbing scenes
4-less humor
 
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I am in a shock....like... WTH did I just watched???

1) wHat??? demons being outsmart by kids...are you serious??? Sebby...did u became retarded or something this season?? first, trusting fellow demons and now, getting chained to ciel for all eternity....what?!!!so much effort and you didn't even have dinner...

2)Happy ending for Alois...bc Hanna happens to have feelings??? wait... WHAT?? demons with feelings??? give me a fking break!!!! (I am so dissapointed at Hanna....u were my fav last ep...and u let me down...FEELINGS...*rolls eyes*)

3)Sebastian...JUST CUT your damn arm again!!

4)and Ciel....just fking eat ELIZABETH

5)WHAT?!!!wait..WHAT??!! can't believe...I just...*hits her head w the keyboard hoping to pass out and forget everything*

6)SO MUCH FOR BEING A HELL OF A BUTLER...SEBASTIAN...RLY...JUST...AGHHH change jobs..become a shinigami and kill people...you'll get to have more profit than a "demon" butler...and you are so suitable for it...they might even have more benefits... ^^d

7)THE ONLY GOOD THING IN THIS EP WAS THE UNDERTAKER...seriously..chiling in his coffin...what a wonderful life he must have =3=
 
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LuciferTheAngel said:
Hammychanx3 said:
Hammychanx3 said:
Why was it such a fail? :( I guess, I just don't understand what everyone is so upset about. The imagery alone in it made it quite a season, as well as character development.

here we go again =_=


What? :(

why is it fail?
isnt clear enough?
1-early character death (even its a new one!)
2-confusing scenes
3-disturbing scenes
4-less humor


I don't know, I mean sure there were plot holes in the story, no series/season is perfect, but, I don't think it was fail, or anywhere near it.
Alois isn't and won't be a part of the manga, and I know the anime is different from the manga, but he served his prepose in the storyline and then they had to get rid of him to keep it moving. I'm a big Alois fan, but, I don't really see any more purpose to him.
Yes. There was a ton of disturbing scenes, mostly involving Hannah (directly or indirectly) or Alois, but, that was supposed to add to the darkness in the season. I think we were supposed to say, "WOW. That's messed up."
And I thought there was tons of humor in this season, including Claude's fangirling, Druitt (as always), Grell. Most of the humor was dark humor, and it depends on the viewer if they laugh at it or not (such as Sebastian parading around Alois as he's dying or Ciel slapping Sebastian around.)

But, that's just what I think. :) I would like to why you think it's all fail.
 
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