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Aug 1, 2010 5:23 PM
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Might I suggest an option that would bubble all forum threads with unread posts up to the top? That's the main reason I don't read many MAL forums outside of support and site news. It's been years and years since I have used forum software without that option. And rarely will I look past the first page of threads due to lack of time....
 
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Might I suggest an option that would bubble all forum threads with unread posts up to the top? That's the main reason I don't read many MAL forums outside of support and site news. It's been years and years since I have used forum software without that option. And rarely will I look past the first page of threads due to lack of time....


Although that sounds nice, it requires extra coding and this specific suggestion was made with the thought that it should add as little as possible new coding.

Perhaps it is a possibility in the future, I wouldn't know.
 
Aug 1, 2010 5:41 PM

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Also if I may make a suggestion which I did not find.

I think too much of the blame goes on the Mods. If it's possible. There should be a user based banning system. Meaning, another incident like last night occurs, users can ban him. Basically X number of users report him/her and that user is banned for X amount of time 'til a Mod can come and straighten it out.

Draw of this is that someone get's on multiple accounts tries to ban someone. But if we could use this root idea I think it could be helpful.
 
Aug 1, 2010 5:51 PM

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Also if I may make a suggestion which I did not find.

I think too much of the blame goes on the Mods. If it's possible. There should be a user based banning system. Meaning, another incident like last night occurs, users can ban him. Basically X number of users report him/her and that user is banned for X amount of time 'til a Mod can come and straighten it out.

Draw of this is that someone get's on multiple accounts tries to ban someone. But if we could use this root idea I think it could be helpful.


The problem with this suggestion is the same as the above. It requires coding. Apart from the reasons I gave above, I think that this system might lead to exploitation if not handled correctly.

The list in this thread is by no means exhaustive and I believe that suggestions are always welcome, but if we're going to discuss suggestions on suggestions, there might as well be a new thread for the new suggestion, which is what I propose you do if you think the item you thought of is worth pursuing.
 
Aug 1, 2010 5:57 PM
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The MAL awards board is redundant, as every thread originates from a Creative Corner contest. Either these MAL awards need to be opened up more to have awards for those with less creative ability, or this needs to be a subboard of the creative corner.
Every thread from the MAL Awards board does not originate from a Creative Corner contest. How I view it, the point of the MAL Awards board is to gather the contests hosted by different clubs on MAL, hence why this club exists.

I do like the idea of opening up more contests, but I think the original focus of the MAL Awards board was for creative/artistic contest. If it stays like that, then maybe making it a subboard of the Creative Corner isn't such a bad idea.
 
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Also if I may make a suggestion which I did not find.

I think too much of the blame goes on the Mods. If it's possible. There should be a user based banning system. Meaning, another incident like last night occurs, users can ban him. Basically X number of users report him/her and that user is banned for X amount of time 'til a Mod can come and straighten it out.

Draw of this is that someone get's on multiple accounts tries to ban someone. But if we could use this root idea I think it could be helpful.
I'm going have to strongly disagree with this suggestion. The way I see it, there are two huge points as to why this thread even exists. The first is that there is a giant hole in forum moderation right now. That can be easily solved with the recruitment of more mods. The second is that (forgive me if this sounds arrogant, but in my eyes, it's true) a large handful of users quite simply can't be trusted to contribute to the community in a positive manner. Putting such power into their hands can and will lead to disastrous consequences. Not to mention having a mod sort out potential abuse will only lead to more work than what would have been done after a user submitted a report. Mods taking too much blame is not be a problem; everyone on staff should have been aware of the possible downsides that come with being a mod before accepting a position.
 
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The second is that (forgive me if this sounds arrogant, but in my eyes, it's true) a large handful of users quite simply can't be trusted to contribute to the community in a positive manner. Putting such power into their hands can and will lead to disastrous consequences.


I guess with the sentence I put in bold my suggestion was clearly not well thought out. Sad though a community cannot be trusted to handle itself.

Also just one more little thing I'd like to say. Extremely glad the post count system is under consideration for removal. Hopefully the next group of Mods aren't picked only because of their post count, which is not to say the previous ones were.
 
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Well, here we go:

1. A minimum word/character count would not help. People would merely stop using MAL's forums and head to IRC or another forum instead. Why? Not every thread warrants a long response.

2. There are not enough moderators for thread moderation to work. It would lead to the same issue as the above.

3. Post counts on forums do have their uses. They are used as a way to: Increase one's rank, unlock capabilities of the forum/site and to distinguish a newer poster from an older one. MAL only has 1/3 reasons for the post count.

4. I support the renaming of Spam.

5. The rules do need to be overhauled. There are too many loopholes and work arounds in their current state. They also "give MAL a bad rep" by both allowing and not allowing links to illegal downloads by bringing in semantics such as "you may not link directly to a torrent, but you may link to the site that hosts it". That rule is silly.
 
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3. Post counts on forums do have their uses. They are used as a way to: Increase one's rank, unlock capabilities of the forum/site and to distinguish a newer poster from an older one. MAL only has 1/3 reasons for the post count.

5. The rules do need to be overhauled. There are too many loopholes and work arounds in their current state. They also "give MAL a bad rep" by both allowing and not allowing links to illegal downloads by bringing in semantics such as "you may not link directly to a torrent, but you may link to the site that hosts it". That rule is silly.


1) We would still have the join date but not everybody who has an older join date actually posts a lot. Seen some from 08 with only like 10 posts before.

2) I doubt MAL will ever change that rule. Especially because there is a fansubbing section.
 
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1) We would still have the join date but not everybody who has an older join date actually posts a lot. Seen some from 08 with only like 10 posts before.

2) I doubt MAL will ever change that rule. Especially because there is a fansubbing section.


1. Well, yes, which is why a post count can distinguish between someone who uses the forums a lot and someone who doesn't. I mean, we also have a profile comment counter. Now that seems a bit silly to me.

2. And that's why other sites don't like us, really. We promote the discuss of fansubs. On the other hand, we don't have a scanalator section. You'd think MAL would keep track of the groups that translate manga too. I'm sure it wouldn't hurt MAL if we at least removed the links to the fansubbers sites.
 
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I love how no one has commented on my pointing out of those disgusting clubs.
 
Aug 2, 2010 12:54 AM

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I love how no one has commented on my pointing out of those disgusting clubs.
Because no one gives a fuck.
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This thread is about the forum, not clubs.
 
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I love how no one has commented on my pointing out of those disgusting clubs.
your intelligence has made me weep tears of whothefuckcares.
 
Aug 2, 2010 12:56 AM

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Pedophilia is disgusting, and there's nothing but 12 year olds doing nothing but having cybersex all over mal.
You better make it an issue. It's disgusting.

I thought mal was atleast a bit better than this.

AND BTW
It is part of the forum, because the clubs in mention have their own forums. A lot of them aren't even private.
 
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I love how no one has commented on my pointing out of those disgusting clubs.

>For a Better Forum
 
Aug 2, 2010 12:59 AM

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Viperslayer said:
I love how no one has commented on my pointing out of those disgusting clubs.

>For a Better Forum




there won't BE a MAL, if the site gets reported.
And they ARE taking place on forums.
 
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Onibokusu said:
Viperslayer said:
I love how no one has commented on my pointing out of those disgusting clubs.

>For a Better Forum




there won't BE a MAL, if the site gets reported.
And they ARE taking place on forums.


The links to any fansubs sites will be removed long before anything loli-related does.
 
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Whatever. If no one seems to care, and it seems some people don't know what I'm talking about then so be it.

I hope nothing bad happens to Xinil out of this, he doesn't take care of the site.
IIRC he even decided to allow such clubs if they were made private.
So,

wow.
 
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Drunk_Samurai said:
1) We would still have the join date but not everybody who has an older join date actually posts a lot. Seen some from 08 with only like 10 posts before.

2) I doubt MAL will ever change that rule. Especially because there is a fansubbing section.


1. Well, yes, which is why a post count can distinguish between someone who uses the forums a lot and someone who doesn't. I mean, we also have a profile comment counter. Now that seems a bit silly to me.

2. And that's why other sites don't like us, really. We promote the discuss of fansubs. On the other hand, we don't have a scanalator section. You'd think MAL would keep track of the groups that translate manga too. I'm sure it wouldn't hurt MAL if we at least removed the links to the fansubbers sites.


1) That was my point actually. The profile counter is alright. I don't check it that much since I rarely use mypanel anyway.

2) Xinil once said he would add that onto MAL. It never happened. Also I really don't think they will ever remove the links.

Viperslayer said:
Pedophilia is disgusting, and there's nothing but 12 year olds doing nothing but having cybersex all over mal.
You better make it an issue. It's disgusting.

I thought mal was atleast a bit better than this.

AND BTW
It is part of the forum, because the clubs in mention have their own forums. A lot of them aren't even private.


There are no pedophilia clubs. Stop trying to say lolicon is pedophilia.
 
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Aug 2, 2010 1:19 AM

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Vindictus said:
Rules should be just guidelines + a few very strict ones (porn images, illegal sites, etc.)

[...]

In short: rules should just expand on commonsense and the site's legal policies; not some personal agenda of the moderators, which you seem to be suggesting. Freedom of speech in a discussion is a good thing!

You seem to be reading far too much into this than was intended. Not weird, as it was vague - it is however vague by necessity, while I and some other moderators agree the rules are problematic (and several other members agreed), we do not necessarily agree in what way, and we would have to discuss between each other to come to a consensus on that matter. And while it may not seem that way, we do try to make sure the rules serve the community, and not our eventual tastes for it.

The rules are not meant to be draconic: just clearer, and punishment for transgression easier to adjudicate and beyond just a deletion of the post. As it were, no one is hurt by forbidding +1 posts; while the overall quality of the forum increases by their absence. Bumping old threads isn't a problem however; that is exactly what we encourage (as long as the bump serves a purpose and isn't a "this" or "how sick).
Why is forcing someone to repeat a idea when they could quote a already posted message fully compatible with what they want to say a good thing. :) What's more important: good quality discussion or huge post counts for threads?

This is usually implemented as a up/down on posts, similar to how youtube comments work these days; but when you don't have that +1, or quoting and adding your own extra bits isn't so bad. I always find those +1'ed comments a far more interesting read then several pages of comments nobody cared about.
 
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You're all morons. Viperslayer is pointing out something that could lead to this site being shut down, and you're all "IT DOESN'T MATTER CAUSE IT'S IN CLUBS!!111". What, you think the forums will still be here when the site isn't allowed to exist anymore because one too many angry parents have seen their 12 year old cybering with a 26 year old? Then you're naive or a moron.

Most of these clubs are "private", but hell, all it takes is a couple seconds to find open ones.

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You're all morons. Viperslayer is pointing out something that could lead to this site being shut down, and you're all "IT DOESN'T MATTER CAUSE IT'S IN CLUBS!!111". What, you think the forums will still be here when the site isn't allowed to exist anymore because one too many angry parents have seen their 12 year old cybering with a 26 year old? Then you're naive or a moron.

Most of these clubs are "private", but hell, all it takes is a couple seconds to find open ones.


And to think i lured you into becoming a regular in this site.
 
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You're all morons. Viperslayer is pointing out something that could lead to this site being shut down, and you're all "IT DOESN'T MATTER CAUSE IT'S IN CLUBS!!111". What, you think the forums will still be here when the site isn't allowed to exist anymore because one too many angry parents have seen their 12 year old cybering with a 26 year old? Then you're naive or a moron.

Most of these clubs are "private", but hell, all it takes is a couple seconds to find open ones.


You're the moron when it comes to this topic.

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You agree not to post User Content that: (i) may create a risk of harm, loss, physical or mental injury, emotional distress, death, disability, disfigurement, or physical or mental illness to you, to any other person, or to any animal; (ii) may create a risk of any other loss or damage to any person or property; (iii) may constitute or contribute to a crime or tort; (iv) contains any information or content that we deem to be unlawful, harmful, abusive, racially or ethnically offensive, defamatory, infringing, invasive of personal privacy or publicity rights, harassing, humiliating to other people (publicly or otherwise), libelous, threatening, or otherwise objectionable; (v) contains any information or content that is illegal; (vi) contains any information or content that you do not have a right to make available under any law or under contractual or fiduciary relationships; or (vii) contains any information or content that you know is not correct and current.


I don't see anything on there relating to mature content. Do you? I sure don't. Mature content, such as cybering, currently break no laws. It would be a downhill lawsuit against CraveOnline that wouldn't do well in court.
 
Aug 2, 2010 1:36 AM

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Stop.

Firstly. This thread, the future of mal depends on this.
And first off, in the United States, underage cybering DOES break laws. MAL IS Hosted in the United States.

AND FYI.

The mods on this site HAVE been told my Xinil to do nothing, and they can't do nothing as effect of that.
So.
That little "LLC" at the end of Crave.
Does not.
Mean.
Shit.
 
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I don't see why the stuff about little kids cybering in clubs is brought up here, since it doesn't have anything to do with the topic. I agree that it is a problem, but maybe you should open up a seperate thread instead of derailing this one, so some productive discussion can actually happen.
 
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I don't see why the stuff about little kids cybering in clubs is brought up here, since it doesn't have anything to do with the topic. I agree that it is a problem, but maybe you should open up a seperate thread instead of derailing this one, so some productive discussion can actually happen.
It does have something to do with the topic.

it degrades the forums and site as a whole, and threatens their demise.


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http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=121689&show=0#post3

Answer everything presented here or drop the topic. This is not the thread to discuss this.
 
Aug 2, 2010 1:58 AM

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llxwarbirdxll said:
I don't see why the stuff about little kids cybering in clubs is brought up here, since it doesn't have anything to do with the topic. I agree that it is a problem, but maybe you should open up a seperate thread instead of derailing this one, so some productive discussion can actually happen.
It does have something to do with the topic.

it degrades the forums and site as a whole, and threatens their demise.
But this thread specifically pertains to the forums, and not the site in general. Make a new thread.
 
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Oni - It's not a matter of terms of service, it's a matter of law.


It's a hell of a lot harder to prove those users are underage than it is to prove that users on the forums link to popular torrent sites.
 
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Why are people saying cybering isn't anything to do with the topic, when club cybering is occurring IN THE CLUB FUCKING SUB-FORUMS? Sub-forums are, FYI, part of the forums.

The fact that someone with a moderator tag is trying to express why "no-one gives a fuck" speaks volumes about the IQ level of Mr. Admin's average worker bee. I could do a better job with one hand tied around my back and the other glued to my penis; leaving my with only my head to attack my keyboard with.
 
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Why are people saying cybering isn't anything to do with the topic, when club cybering is occurring IN THE CLUB FUCKING SUB-FORUMS? Sub-forums are, FYI, part of the forums.

The fact that someone with a moderator tag is trying to express why "no-one gives a fuck" speaks volumes about the IQ level of Mr. Admin's average worker bee. I could do a better job with one hand tied around my back and the other glued to my penis; leaving my with only my head to attack my keyboard with.


That's easy to say, but try moderating the club section when there's no reports coming in from it (and if there were, they wouldn't be from tht cybering club, they all seem profoundly happy there..) and the amount of active moderators is low.

At some point clubs do need better moderation, but this thread is neither the time and place to be dissatisfied with the current club system.
 
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Ironically enough, it doesn't look like this topic is getting us anywhere currently. But you all already knew that, didn't you? Well, at least I got it out there.

I'm going to wait until some real action happens to have any hope for MAL's future. I'm not holding my breath, though.

If you think this post was useless, you're probably right.
 
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Ironically enough, it doesn't look like this topic is getting us anywhere currently. But you all already knew that, didn't you? Well, at least I got it out there.

I'm going to wait until some real action happens to have any hope for MAL's future. I'm not holding my breath, though.

If you think this post was useless, you're probably right.
There's no point in replying to a suggestion once the suggestion has been implemented. Share your thoughts now or be ever-silent!

And this about "not going anywhere", Xinil has to reply and he's a busy man too. The thread has existed for a day and has garnered enough attention, it's just a matter of time before we get a response, positive or negative.
 
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Sohei said:
Redfoxoffire said:
Ironically enough, it doesn't look like this topic is getting us anywhere currently. But you all already knew that, didn't you? Well, at least I got it out there.

I'm going to wait until some real action happens to have any hope for MAL's future. I'm not holding my breath, though.

If you think this post was useless, you're probably right.
There's no point in replying to a suggestion once the suggestion has been implemented. Share your thoughts now or be ever-silent!

And this about "not going anywhere", Xinil has to reply and he's a busy man too. The thread has existed for a day and has garnered enough attention, it's just a matter of time before we get a response, positive or negative.

I shared my thoughts a few pages ago, actually. I really just wanted to implement myself into the current discussion but didn't know what else to say. :(

"A matter of time" could be much longer than we all want.
 
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It could take long, but if there really isn't a response in the coming days i'm sure one of us will PM Xinil about the thread. Usually that is effective enough.
 
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Why are people saying cybering isn't anything to do with the topic, when club cybering is occurring IN THE CLUB FUCKING SUB-FORUMS? Sub-forums are, FYI, part of the forums.

The fact that someone with a moderator tag is trying to express why "no-one gives a fuck" speaks volumes about the IQ level of Mr. Admin's average worker bee. I could do a better job with one hand tied around my back and the other glued to my penis; leaving my with only my head to attack my keyboard with.


If you were holding a meeting about the hopes of improving the main hall of your town hall, when suddenly someone burst in and said "BUT THERE'S SOMETHING HAPPENING IN CONFERENCE ROOM B16, TALK ABOUT THAT INSTEAD", what would you do?

No, you could not do a better job. Neither could I. Most of us couldn't.

Besides, if you did become a moderator, an active one, I'd hit you up with so many complaints about the current state of our forums you'd shit yourself and you STILL wouldn't have the power to do anything about it.

Oh yeah, here's a key bit of information for you: The Clubs' forums cannot be accessed via the main forum. Thus, they are not of the main forum's concerns. If you have a problem with them, take them to where they complain about the clubs why don't you?
 
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If I were a mod, you would already be banned for disturbing the peace in my non-spam comment thread, approaching a mod with an aggressive e-tone, and suffering brain damage from one too many rounds with your local kangaroos. I don't mess around with warnings, me.

Sohei said:
It could take long, but if there really isn't a response in the coming days i'm sure one of us will PM Xinil about the thread. Usually that is effective enough.


This will no doubt make him thrilled about having repaired the PM system.

Methinks Mr. Admin's problemo is everyone spamming his profile with requests/cries for help and, going on his updates, growing out of anime/manga. I imagine the desire to fix a site like MAL, with so much needing doing, is very low if there's a lack of interest in what the site deals with.

What we REALLY need is a new admin; preferably one living in a basement/attic and ready to respond at all times. A thread should be made to select such an individual from our fine crop of talent. Without someone with the time and care to implement these suggestions, this thread - as well as the forum its in - is as good as useless.
 
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Methinks Mr. Admin's problemo is everyone spamming his profile with requests/cries for help and, going on his updates, growing out of anime/manga. I imagine the desire to fix a site like MAL, with so much needing doing, is very low if there's a lack of interest in what the site deals with.


No, it's because he has already made money off of the site by selling it to CraveOnline for a very large sum of money.
 
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The site was made for the fans by a fan. There's no way he could have known that it would have become so possible, for no mere mortal - not even Mr. Admin - can predict the future.

If he still cared about his hobbies as much as he did back when he went to the trouble of creating MAL, it would be different. It isn't as if the ownership being passed has changed the fact that he still runs the site as an admin.
 
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The site was made for the fans by a fan. There's no way he could have known that it would have become so possible, for no mere mortal - not even Mr. Admin - can predict the future.

If he still cared about his hobbies as much as he did back when he went to the trouble of creating MAL, it would be different. It isn't as if the ownership being passed has changed the fact that he still runs the site as an admin.


Youtube was created by friends, for friends. More friends amassed and it became what it is today: Sold off, but maintained by someone else. The original creators no longer had to care about the site any more as they probably wouldn't be able to cope with the increased popularity of the site due to Google.

If Xinil had realised he wouldn't be able to take care of the site he wouldn't be in the current mess he is in. He'd be off doing a normal job with a lot of profit in his bank account.

If I were a mod, you would already be banned for disturbing the peace in my non-spam comment thread, approaching a mod with an aggressive e-tone, and suffering brain damage from one too many rounds with your local kangaroos. I don't mess around with warnings, me.


Hunh, and that's what makes you not cut out to be a moderator. That attitude of yours. Asako is much preferred. Besides, none of those are legit reasons nor rule breakers, you've already broken your own rules in your own thread after all. You hold no ground.

Now, we need more people inputting here. The Club ordeal is done with.
 
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Asako's inaction is part of why the forums are in the mess they're in, and it's little wonder why a spammer and poor excuse for troll would prefer the forum as it is. What the forums need are nasty people who care not about banning dumb-dumbs, such as yourself.
 
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I have read majority (near 80%) of this thread, and as I can see, it turned out to "He is better than you" and vice versa conversation, so I won't step in.

I will just say briefly my opinions about the main reason of this thread.

1) First, I agree with Vindictus's idea, which is:
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> I think, like that, forums would be easier to navigate and easier for Mods to keep track of. Also, there wouldn't be fight between GD and Spam, for who will win the most stupid thread award.

2) MAL needs Club Moderators.

> Yes, as Viperslayer said, cyber sex of underage children on MAL is alarming. Not to mention cyber bullying, hard words and such. And the point is that no one will report that (or someone will, but very rarely) and Mods can't keep up with both Clubs and Forums.
So, the job needs to be divided, and someone responsible enough to keep track of clubs should be appointed as Club moderator.

3) MAL needs new Admin(s)

> Xinil was doing great job until about year ago. Then he stopped doing great job, and his effort turned from high to normal. But, since about six months ago, his efforts can't really be considered enough to maintain a site. Not to mention a site, like MAL, with so many users.
I don't know if he has private reasons, or if he lost his love for the hobby he had, which is Animanga, or something third. I just know that site, which is huge like MAL, can't be left to die just because it lacks Admins/ Scriptwriters.
Find two new people that have valuable amount of knowledge in scripting and make MAL good again. It's very simple.
And I don't think that they'd ask for huge amounts of money for the job, considering this is not NASA.

So, although probably 99% of this whole topic will be totally ignored, like it happened with the previous topic Viper opened and Xinil replied, but did nothing, I am glad that people at least are trying to say something, and not to stay quiet.

Enough from me. :)
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Aug 2, 2010 6:31 AM

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Seriously, I'm glad some sensibile people have came into this thread now.
Jesus christ guys have you all no morals?

I mean I know a lot of us come from different countries, but THERE are people, under the age of 18, talking about sucking the cock of 25+ year olds all over the clubs in MAL, which happen to take place in the forums which increase post count.

How this has nothing to do with the forum in general is beyond me.

You have to be really stupid as an Admin to let things fly like that.
And I've heard stories,
stories of xinil telling the mods to ignore it.

THAT
is
A HUGE fucking lawsuit here in America.
HUGE.


Onibokusu said:
Anti-Xinil said:
Oni - It's not a matter of terms of service, it's a matter of law.


It's a hell of a lot harder to prove those users are underage than it is to prove that users on the forums link to popular torrent sites.



>IP trace.
>Contact of ISP
>Contact of Home Owner
>Confirmation of Minor at house.

No its not.


Aironic said:
If I were a mod, you would already be banned for disturbing the peace in my non-spam comment thread, approaching a mod with an aggressive e-tone, and suffering brain damage from one too many rounds with your local kangaroos. I don't mess around with warnings, me.

Sohei said:
It could take long, but if there really isn't a response in the coming days i'm sure one of us will PM Xinil about the thread. Usually that is effective enough.


This will no doubt make him thrilled about having repaired the PM system.

Methinks Mr. Admin's problemo is everyone spamming his profile with requests/cries for help and, going on his updates, growing out of anime/manga. I imagine the desire to fix a site like MAL, with so much needing doing, is very low if there's a lack of interest in what the site deals with.

What we REALLY need is a new admin; preferably one living in a basement/attic and ready to respond at all times. A thread should be made to select such an individual from our fine crop of talent. Without someone with the time and care to implement these suggestions, this thread - as well as the forum its in - is as good as useless.



I've already e-mailed Crave before.
ON BOTH OF THEIR SITES
about how Xinil does not work on the site at all, and the shit is crumbling.
I stated all of the problems about the site, the fact that when he does something it never fixes any problems, and the fact the site hardly works as it is anymore.


>no reply
>its a shit company, hell ive never even hear of it till mal.
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If a club breaks the law, it is already forbidden, and it should be removed. Us forum moderators cannot do so, but we'll delegate any reports to those who can. If it is a thread in a club, it is locked or deleted, and banning follows as necessary.

That might be an inefficient system; adding a club moderator is an excellent suggestion which would help. I'm all for that. Having any kind of oversight over the clubs is a nightmare. :/

But nonetheless, this thread is about the forum - not clubs. That it is a serious concern does not mean it is a forum concern. You can start a new thread on this matter if there is anything in particular you think would help, beyond what we already know. If there isn't, you can report them.

Further discussion on this should take place in another thread - anything in this thread will be deleted.

Vindictus said:
Why is forcing someone to repeat a idea when they could quote a already posted message fully compatible with what they want to say a good thing. :) What's more important: good quality discussion or huge post counts for threads?

This is usually implemented as a up/down on posts, similar to how youtube comments work these days; but when you don't have that +1, or quoting and adding your own extra bits isn't so bad. I always find those +1'ed comments a far more interesting read then several pages of comments nobody cared about.
I am pretty sure you are alone about liking posts which do nothing but quote another one...

I mean, we saw it the first time. There's nothing interesting the second time. We're not forcing anyone to repeat anything; if they have anything to add, they may, and if not, well, then they don't have to?

I think you mean something else altogether; I see good quality discussion exactly as what you argue against here. Good quality discussion is more important than huge post counts, which is exactly why we do not care for the +1 posts, which do not aid discussion and only increases post count.
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Kaiserpingvin said:
I am pretty sure you are alone about liking posts which do nothing but quote another one...
Go to any mod sites for commercial forum software, order their MOD threads (or whathavethey) by views and you will see MODs that offer a means for members to support/agree to posts of other members, in some way, on the first page. You can also go to any popular social site and you'll find some form of "like" system. Some sites have even specialized (for a long time) in just liking other stuff (social bookmarking is one example; eg. http://digg.com/ http://delicious.com/ ).

I don't see myself being alone. :) Your turn...

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I mean, we saw it the first time. There's nothing interesting the second time. We're not forcing anyone to repeat anything; if they have anything to add, they may, and if not, well, then they don't have to?
No, you're wrong.

You focusing too much on the text. A discussion is not a mountain of text, its a mountain of ideas. Propagating a idea has value! and helps the discussion develop. How does it help? Well for one, by not re-phrasing/mutating the same idea over and over you avoid a lot of cyclic discussion, over and over. Ironically repetitive discussions is one of those things that nobody seems to notice =/ yet everyone cares if you have two threads with similar topics and is quick to butcher those two separate discussions together with out a second thought.

Secondly, it encourages the idea to (be) develop(ed). Threads are boring if everyone just inserts their own blah-blah text and there's nothing to discuss/debate. And rants/flamebait are not what I would call a adequate substitute to a intelligent discussion. Promoting a idea usually is also encouraging people who have a different one to enter the thread and argue with the idea being promoted. But when people just try to be the special duckling over and over you can only really hope for some nit picky discussion to develop -- and usually those aren't particularly interesting and just involve each side hoping for the other to give in. Oh and, it also encourages people to act special.

Kaiserpingvin said:
I think you mean something else altogether; I see good quality discussion exactly as what you argue against here. Good quality discussion is more important than huge post counts, which is exactly why we do not care for the +1 posts, which do not aid discussion and only increases post count.
You speak too vaguely when you say "good quality discussion." It's like the "utopia"-logic I was talking about in earlier posts. What exactly makes it good quality just because you banned that?

I have never ever seen anyone be offended (or bothered) by posting "I agree with this." or "I support this." (or the shorthand "+1" style). The only people I ever see complain about it are moderators, which treat it as a some sort of evil. Where's the proof? The countless people who use it certainly aren't bothered. The countless people who go though those thread certainly aren't bothered. So, who's interest are you defending? or is this a technical problem...

Well, space is most definitely not the issue. Toilet paper is more of a concern for system administrators then database space will ever be in our lifetime (please avoid confusion with "database queries").

Kaiserpingvin said:
I mean, we saw it the first time. There's nothing interesting the second time.
Don't you find it strange how you somehow suggest you value all our opinions yet if someone says "that's their opinion too" it suddenly wrong? Double standard?

Also, I really really doubt people read the quote, rather then scan it. If you did it means you didn't read it the first time. And if you don't then its no different then a normal post; only the message is short and to the point; frankly I convenient way to communicate what you have to say, which is the hole point in any type of forum.

I don't see how this convenient system of passing the idea around can be a inconvenience to anyone. If anything I can also argue how if this is banned I can always quote anyway and add a summary as a bullet list of its entire contents, and say "I support this" anyway; thus all you've accomplished is inconvenience people and make things harder to read. :)

You then have the commonsense problem. It's commonsense that some will agree with others (just as much as it is that some will disagree), what are you doing by creating rules against something so basic as that?

Also, regarding post count. I'm against post count, as I mentioned already. And the problem you highlight is all about post count and has nothing to do with the way the post was made. What I mean is, you could apply that same argument of yours to any type of post on this forum. Just kill "post count," problem solved, don't use it as a weapon/excuse.
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Aug 2, 2010 11:15 AM

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I think you're alone on this Vindictus.
 
Aug 2, 2010 11:23 AM

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No, I actually agree with Vindictus for the same reasons.
 
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I think he is. Well, his suggestion still stands, no need to bicker over it.
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Vindictus said:
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Just like majority is not always right, popularity does not decide whether an idea is good and beneficial or pointless/detrimental.

There's a popular reputation system (IPB for example has this) where you can click + or - (or like/don't like, whatever) which is displayed below every post in order to rate it. Points that are given to your posts, both positive and negative, constitute your 'reputation'.
It can be useful on serious fora, a good example would be those boards that can help you with computer related problems (like virus infections). But what would be the purpose of something like that in here? I say none. Not to mention there's most likely no chance at all for getting it.

And the reason why useless posts like 'I agree', '+1' are detrimental is because when someone is searching a thread looking for information, she's then forced to browse through all that clutter, most of which is just taking space and incrementing pages.
Although, it's not like there's actually useful information to look for in here.

 
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