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Sep 21, 2010 6:55 AM

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llxwarbirdxll said:
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And another week has passed.

I mean come on, if you don't feel like telling us that you can't be bothered to change anything, jus tell it us upfront instead of leaving this thread to die. At least there'd be a straighforward answer, Xin-chan.

This may be a free service, but a 2 month wait from start to finish is stretching it a bit, even if the requested changes are quite big. After all, no one said that once you consent you directly have to implement all the changes at once.
He drops by the suggestions board every once in a while to reject terrible ideas, and since he hasn't expressed any disapproval yet, even after several months of this being on the first page, you can pretty much take his silence as approval. Working on MAL is also his job, which he's being paid to do, so he's probably working on some stuff right now.


It would be wonderful if he did, but at least show some sign of living Ie. do more site announcements even for more trivial things. For all I know he is working 20 hours a day for us, but if there is no reporting back to the user-base, how are we supposed to appreciate his work (or worse, as I said above,start disaproving of it).

I thank Xin for his work but I'd really like some kind of announcement or regular update on what he is doing. Even a sentence a week would be enough.
 
Sep 21, 2010 10:44 AM

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Sohei said:
I thank Xin for his work but I'd really like some kind of announcement or regular update on what he is doing. Even a sentence a week would be enough.


You would think that it would be so hard to update such developments with "Web 2.0", right? With Twitter, Facebook, the frontpage of MAL and every other social network, I find it hard to believe that Xinil is not taking a proactive role o maintain a personal relationship with the site community.
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Sep 21, 2010 11:45 PM

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arimakenshin said:
Sohei said:
I thank Xin for his work but I'd really like some kind of announcement or regular update on what he is doing. Even a sentence a week would be enough.


You would think that it would be so hard to update such developments with "Web 2.0", right? Twitter, Facebook, front of MAL and every other social network out there to maintain a personal relationship with the site community.
Make sense, please.
 
Sep 22, 2010 4:45 PM

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llxwarbirdxll said:
arimakenshin said:
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I thank Xin for his work but I'd really like some kind of announcement or regular update on what he is doing. Even a sentence a week would be enough.


You would think that it would be so hard to update such developments with "Web 2.0", right? Twitter, Facebook, front of MAL and every other social network out there to maintain a personal relationship with the site community.
Make sense, please.
Although the start of the sentence is a tad bit off grammatically I think the meaning should be quite clear.

And i quite agree with him, it shouldn't be too hard to keep the community up to date with new (or probably repaired) features on MAL. A short blog is not hard to keep.

However we are somewhat going off into a differen tangent than the purpose of this thread and suggestion.

For now i'll settle on a reply by Xinil.
 
Sep 22, 2010 9:28 PM

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Sohei said:
llxwarbirdxll said:
arimakenshin said:
Sohei said:
I thank Xin for his work but I'd really like some kind of announcement or regular update on what he is doing. Even a sentence a week would be enough.


You would think that it would be so hard to update such developments with "Web 2.0", right? Twitter, Facebook, front of MAL and every other social network out there to maintain a personal relationship with the site community.
Make sense, please.
Although the start of the sentence is a tad bit off grammatically I think the meaning should be quite clear.

And i quite agree with him, it shouldn't be too hard to keep the community up to date with new (or probably repaired) features on MAL. A short blog is not hard to keep.

However we are somewhat going off into a differen tangent than the purpose of this thread and suggestion.

For now i'll settle on a reply by Xinil.
If it was clear, I wouldn't have told him to make sense.
 
Sep 23, 2010 8:29 AM

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Try a bit harder with the logical capacity humans have. I'll give you a hint and say there is sarcasm/cynicism behind the idea in his post. Now, give it your best shot!

And on a different note, it does seem like Xin is doing his homework (at least, fixing MAL : 3) but i'd still quite like him to start considering what needs to be done about this thread. Many of the items are non-programmable solutions and therefore don't require too much time to adjust.

I pray to the gods that Xin may feel a sudden urge to go to the suggestions forum.
 
Sep 23, 2010 12:26 PM

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llxwarbirdxll said:
If it was clear, I wouldn't have told him to make sense.


Don't be upset because you couldn't get over the fact that I accidentally a word. It would have been more polite of you to PM me to correct my statement instead of post something irrelevant.

Bumping thread to gain Xinil's attention.
 
Sep 23, 2010 1:33 PM

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arimakenshin said:
llxwarbirdxll said:
If it was clear, I wouldn't have told him to make sense.


Don't be upset because you couldn't get over the fact that I accidentally a word. It would have been more polite of you to PM me to correct my statement instead of post something irrelevant.

Bumping thread to gain Xinil's attention.
I don't know who told you that I was upset. I just told you to make sense. It's not rocket science.
 
Oct 5, 2010 3:10 AM

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Just bumping this off the second page.
 
Oct 16, 2010 1:18 AM
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llxwarbirdxll said:
arimakenshin said:
llxwarbirdxll said:
If it was clear, I wouldn't have told him to make sense.


Don't be upset because you couldn't get over the fact that I accidentally a word. It would have been more polite of you to PM me to correct my statement instead of post something irrelevant.

Bumping thread to gain Xinil's attention.
I don't know who told you that I was upset. I just told you to make sense. It's not rocket science.


Xinil should easily be able to keep in contact with the MAL community through social mediums such as Twitter and Face Book. I don't know what was so hard to comprehend.
 
Oct 28, 2010 10:08 PM
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Hey look it's a "Casual Chat" board.

On my short list, I'm going to be changing the introductions to not count towards post counts.

I'm still toying with the idea of splitting GD to separate boards. Not only does that create a ton more work for the forum mods (having to check 3 boards instead of 1, plus having to move boards to said boards,) but are there really that many discussions on those different topics?
 
Oct 28, 2010 10:39 PM

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I wouldn't really say its necessary to split GD into sections to be honest.. No threads there get any real heavy discussion.. its mostly threads consisting of:

Link to news article

Op's opinion on news article

Short user responses to news article
 
Oct 28, 2010 10:46 PM

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Hey look it's a "Casual Chat" board.

On my short list, I'm going to be changing the introductions to not count towards post counts.

I'm still toying with the idea of splitting GD to separate boards. Not only does that create a ton more work for the forum mods (having to check 3 boards instead of 1, plus having to move boards to said boards,) but are there really that many discussions on those different topics?

I think the name change is a good idea, it'll just take a day or so to get used to the new name. Also, there are still more data fields that need to be changed from 'spam' to 'casual chat', like the stickied threads

As for splitting GD, even though it may mean more work (including having to move threads from board to board), I still think that better categorization of threads would improve the forums tremendously. Not that it'll change the content of each post, but at least every board will have a specific focus. It's a bit weird to have a board where one thread is asking for help with .mkv files, and the next thread is discussing the NBA, and the next thread is about women killing their babies. In short, more work is worth it if it means cleaning up the forums.

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I wouldn't really say its necessary to split GD into sections to be honest.. No threads there get any real heavy discussion.. its mostly threads consisting of:

Link to news article

Op's opinion on news article

Short user responses to news article

And it's because of the nature of these boards that GD has devolved into this garbage. That's WHY changes are being discussed.

 
Oct 28, 2010 10:54 PM

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Changing the names is not going to change the people who post in them.. people are still going to post garbage but now it'll be more spread out.

You should know that by now.
 
Oct 29, 2010 2:06 AM

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All of "casual chat" needs to be purged so all the garbage is gone, and new rules need to be defined so that garbage doesn't come back. (also what ever happened to it pruning after a few months? It doesn't.)
 
Oct 29, 2010 2:41 AM
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I am glad the name of Spam got finally changed, at least new members would stop saying "But, this is Spam board"....

Also. I wonder if useless GD thread will still be moved to Spam Casual Chat after this change.
 
Oct 29, 2010 2:45 AM

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I wonder if useless GD thread will still be moved to Spam Casual Chat after this change.


I'd like to know this too.. as this is pretty much the reason I supported the name change.
 
Oct 29, 2010 4:29 AM

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Threads that really are useless get deleted. As I said, casual chat rules need to be defined so we know what belongs there as far as moves go.

Casual chat and general discussion descriptions on the forum index need to be made more appropriate, too.
 
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I never really got the point of Spam if everything was going to be deleted anyway. I mean its not like post counts counted in it so I never really saw the need to delete threads.
 
Oct 30, 2010 12:04 PM

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Xinil said:
I'm still toying with the idea of splitting GD to separate boards. Not only does that create a ton more work for the forum mods (having to check 3 boards instead of 1, plus having to move boards to said boards,) but are there really that many discussions on those different topics?

I think it would give us less work - or at least, not as annoying work. But regardless of whether it increases workload, I think it would improve the fora, which is more important than having less work to do - for what's the point in doing anything at all if it still is a mess?

It's a general rule of internet behaviour that the name of a specific forum is about as much as people will read, and that they will quite often start a topic because there is a place for it, not find a place for a topic they had in mind. "General Discussion" and "Casual Chat" are quite badly differentiated by that account alone, and moreover "General Discussion" pretty much says, "start a topic about anything in any way or fashion".

tl;dr It may increase work, but I'm okay with it, as it may well mean the work makes a difference, and people post depending on sections, so there's a clear reason why this would happen.

Also, everything Asako said.
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Nov 15, 2010 9:39 AM
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While I'm entirely for a better forum... It seems every time I come back to try and make a stab at enjoying these forums once again, the lag sets in.

I'm sorry but there is only so much A+ moderation and organization of the boards you can do. The nearly sky-scraper sized elephant in the room is the frustrating lag for posts (if they even post at all).

Can't we just move the MAL forums to even some completely different forum type? On a different server? I'm sure the majority of us would give up age old posts for a clean slate and the ability to actually post.

I find it hard to contribute to a thread even in casual chat, when the post I spent time writing doesn't even manage to exist after I post it.

I know you guys say somethings being done, but this issues been for months and months and months, and it's the same.
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I'd agree with everything except post count removal and the Introduction Forum removal (though I do think that posts there shouldn't count). the main reason being that post count is pretty much the only indicator of how active a person is in the MAL community, something which Xinil has said he takes into account when people speak up in the suggestions forum.

but honestly, I think stabilizing the forums is far more important than any of this. earlier today I accidentally triple posted and couldn't even tell that I had posted once for more than 20 mins and when I deleted the 2 extras and refreshed, all the posts disappeared. further refreshing would get me 0, 2, or 3 posts but never just 1. to me, this indicates a serious problem. especially since this sort of thing has been going on for at least several months.
 
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Removing the "Introductions" forum is like removing the "Welcome Mat". So, that shouldn't be done.

Xinil said:
On my short list, I'm going to be changing the introductions to not count towards post counts.


Yes. Nothing more annoying than seeing the same people... copy-paste the same "welcoming message"... and likely expect such a post to count. If a person truly wants to welcome someone, then they'd customize their welcome message to suit the new person.

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*Culture
*Technology
*Serious


Agree to these sections. Clumping every discussion into General Discussion isn't a good idea. Oh, I may request adding "Current Events" or "News" section to encourage users to pay attention to news outside of anime. It's healthy for you young people. Take my word for it.

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EDIT: Hmm... took me a good 10-20 minutes to see my post - er, this one.

'cause after browsing this thread, I have some additions:

In terms of forum "age", this community is quite young - and not just in terms of user demographic. More, or less, the "forum age" falls on the existence of this community. It'll be interesting to see how this place develops.

Post count removal. Do it. When it comes to any online community, post count isn't important. It never was.

Quite frankly, I have my complaints in this site's ability to manage its resources. It takes several minutes for a new post to be created. Oddly enough, creating a new thread (or editing a post) is normal: a matter of seconds. If removing post count removes any calculation towards it, then consider it a savings in system resources.

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Overhauled rules: More enforced, less vague, and generally easier to implement – harsher, clearer guidelines for banning. The forum moderators will convene to draft the new rules in this direction.
Rules should be just guidelines + a few very strict ones (porn images, illegal sites, etc.)

If the guidelines are so strict members don't really agree with them, what's the point? I mean to who's benefit are they? Rules that forbid posting in threads over X months old, or creating threads that resemble other threads, or banning comments such as "thank you" or quote&agree style posting are some good examples of nonsense rules that serve no one.


Ah, the forum rules...

1) Forum rules are always debatable. Changeable. Never absolute. Once any form of absolutism kicks in, then y'run into problems with "rule enforcement".

2) Purpose of the rules. It's the purpose of any rule - anywhere - to maintain some kind of peace in a community.

Wikipedia is a great example of this, where the focus of that site is its content. It has plenty of rules to dictate its content as well as rules regarding discussion on any article topic. Various articles fall under disputed, controversial, and the like. Wiki has its rules to keep its discussions... as civil as possible.

That is despite the ability for users to edit/modify other people's content.

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For more ideas on sub-forum sections in anime communities -- look at other communities; and see how they do it. Whether or not y'want to rip-em-off or not, that's up to you.


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Nov 15, 2010 7:57 PM

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I strongly suggest you make a "current events" board so kyuu can take his stupid mundane news stories and concentrate them in this stupid board. Though it would be a shame for all the good news stories, but I suppose they must take a hit for the team.
 
Nov 15, 2010 9:36 PM

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If you want to cut down on server taxation I also suggest that you crack down on some of the 'game' threads in casual chat (and maybe other parts of the forums too)

Forum games are nice and all but almost half of them are like one to 5 word replies which I don't think anyone is really having 'fun' with these threads...they are just, more or less, something to do.

These include but aren't limited to:

last letter first letter
Love it, Like it, Dislike it, Hate it, Never tried it
What are you listening to?
Possibly some of "rate the something above you threads"
post your control V
When I say _____ whats the first thing that comes to mind?
how many profile views do u have
this or that?

and much much more.

Sure shutting down these threads would stop a lot of whats going on in casual chat but i'd guess its up to you to decide whether or not its something thats Worth going on.
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Can anybody give any real reason why its a bad idea to have everything in GD? Many other sites have GD sections and they work just fine with various different kinds of topics. So what makes MAL different? The only one that should get its own section is a technology section so that people can get help with computer issues or ask questions in general.
 
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I don't want to see a huge breakup with a bajillin subboards, but I very muchly want a science & technology board. We get enough tech threads to warrant it (more than asian drama, FAL and awards get combined) but science discussion/debate there would fit too.

The idea of a "culture" type board was for all TV, music and film to go to, so people in GD don't just crap every thread they come across despite having no interest in the topic (something that will be policed more heavily, but a dedicated non-anime media board will help).
 
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