| But I think chances are high that it is indeed a spin off, or another original story altogether. Because the characters interact with each other differently.. Like Aberlain, he was first introduced to Ciel in this new season in episode 3. But he died in season 1... Even if he survived in season 1, they should at least know each other right? Unless, everyone's memories were removed or something like that... |
Himmelmez said: But I think chances are high that it is indeed a spin off, or another original story altogether. Because the characters interact with each other differently.. Like Aberlain, he was first introduced to Ciel in this new season in episode 3. But he died in season 1... Even if he survived in season 1, they should at least know each other right? Unless, everyone's memories were removed or something like that... that wasnt aberlain... at least it doesnt look like it. its not a spin off, if it was grell wouldn't have madam red's robe. and sebastian wouldn't know him. clearly Ciel had lost his memories, or everyone had theirs replaced, but i dont think so. |
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| I'd originally thought that this was stuff that had happened either before or during the first season, but that wasn't mentioned. However, I've got a feeling that this is, in fact, a sequal. I think something happened and Sebastian didn't eat Ciel's soul at the end of season 1, prolly because of the circus guys still being out there. I figure that he got far enough that something happened to Ciel, though, and he lost most of his memories from Kuro 1. That's why he isn't mad at Lau, doesn't realize Madame Red's dead, and didn't recognize Greil and the Undertaker. That's my take on it. |
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flame_master_14 said: I'd originally thought that this was stuff that had happened either before or during the first season, but that wasn't mentioned. However, I've got a feeling that this is, in fact, a sequal. I think something happened and Sebastian didn't eat Ciel's soul at the end of season 1, prolly because of the circus guys still being out there. I figure that he got far enough that something happened to Ciel, though, and he lost most of his memories from Kuro 1. That's why he isn't mad at Lau, doesn't realize Madame Red's dead, and didn't recognize Greil and the Undertaker. That's my take on it. I like this explanation :) I also think that sth happened to the memories of everyone beside Sebastian, Griel and similar characters... |
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| But Lau and Aberlain were dead. The first episode made it appear to be a continuation of season 1, but then they starting bringing back dead characters so these few episodes are definitely a spin-off/alternate reality. It's just a big headache trying to figure this shit out. The writer said we'll know if we keep watching so Imma just do that. |
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| First season is detached from the second one, there is so many factor that would make what is actually happening impossible. It was said in first season that even God can't rewrite the past so unless everything that is actually happening is a false memory of Ciel created by an angel and that he didn't actually awakened yet then it is impossible. |
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Dandere-chan said: First season is detached from the second one, there is so many factor that would make what is actually happening impossible. IKR? The only thing that is keeping me thinking that this might (and that's a really small might) be a continuity is episode 1. |
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Sprite_Coke said: Dandere-chan said: First season is detached from the second one, there is so many factor that would make what is actually happening impossible. IKR? The only thing that is keeping me thinking that this might (and that's a really small might) be a continuity is episode 1. Sebastian ate Ciel soul and Ciel asked him to give his body to the bird afterward. Sebastian is a demon that lived for a long long time, he did not became ''friend'' with Ciel, he merely did as his contract instructed. Now let's say if, and only if, Sebastian got interested in Ciel then it would be pretty much stupid for him to take his soul only to try to make Ciel alive again afterward. Now it look like the destruction that the angel created never happened and shinigami have no power to control the past, only the future and to a slight extent so they can't just have fixed everything up. Nobody remember Pluto, Ciel got his ring back (which was given to a sailor for a ship in season 1, now to question how it fell in trancy's hand to being with). This is not how Kuroshitsuji 1 ended when London was destroyed and the three servant barely survived killing Pluto, now everyone is all happy like anything never happened. |
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Dayan said: Himmelmez said: But I think chances are high that it is indeed a spin off, or another original story altogether. Because the characters interact with each other differently.. Like Aberlain, he was first introduced to Ciel in this new season in episode 3. But he died in season 1... Even if he survived in season 1, they should at least know each other right? Unless, everyone's memories were removed or something like that... that wasnt aberlain... at least it doesnt look like it. its not a spin off, if it was grell wouldn't have madam red's robe. and sebastian wouldn't know him. clearly Ciel had lost his memories, or everyone had theirs replaced, but i dont think so. I agree, there's quite a few odd inconsistencies in this story...to where you can't tell if it's a spin off/alternate setting, or a real 2nd reason and we are still in the dark as to what has caused all these strange events. Such as you mentioned him not knowing Grell, but Grell having madam red's robe, and her being faintly on the edge of Ceil's memory. The queen and most everyone else is still alive, but things appear quite different...and especially the first episode with Ciel in the box and Seby getting the ring and what not. So many questions... I'm almost thinking it's 1/2 a spin off/alternate and 1/2 a true 2nd season. Go figure. flame_master_14 said: I'd originally thought that this was stuff that had happened either before or during the first season, but that wasn't mentioned. However, I've got a feeling that this is, in fact, a sequal. I think something happened and Sebastian didn't eat Ciel's soul at the end of season 1, prolly because of the circus guys still being out there. I figure that he got far enough that something happened to Ciel, though, and he lost most of his memories from Kuro 1. That's why he isn't mad at Lau, doesn't realize Madame Red's dead, and didn't recognize Greil and the Undertaker. That's my take on it. Agreed. Though it doesn't explain how dead characters are back, but there's too many weird things for this to be 100% spin off/alternate Dandere-chan also has some fine points. Still quite a mystery as to what is truly going on. I don't think will start getting answer for another 2-4 episodes. They have also not announce how many episodes this will be. Though I'd assume as many or more as Season 1 (24). So we have quite some time for the writer's to play with our minds in the meanwhile :]. Has anyone thought about what the meaning might be from the end of the OP? Where Ciel & Seby turn to roses & disappear? |
FateEntityJul 25, 2010 8:25 AM
| hey do you remember the first kuroshitsuji opening ? at the end sebastian touch ciel shoulder and he dissapear but the seson 2 opening sebastian and ciel turn to rose and disapear in the ending too , the buterfly turn into sebastian's hand and after they disapear together like fatentity said . so what do you think ? maybe they will disapear together ? something might happen ...:O |
skyHorizon said: hey do you remember the first kuroshitsuji opening ? at the end sebastian touch ciel shoulder and he dissapear but the seson 2 opening sebastian and ciel turn to rose and disapear in the ending too , the buterfly turn into sebastian's hand and after they disapear together like fatentity said . so what do you think ? maybe they will disapear together ? something might happen ...:O I'll just say that if Sebastian get attached to Ciel and chose to die with him then I'll think that this is gay. |
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| Well the first season is a spin off of the manga.I believe that this season is supposed to be a continuation of last season. |
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| yes you're right it would be sad that the ''perfect butler'' end up dying or disapering too . but if he take ciel soul does this mean he'll die? maybe he'll just turn into a demon too O_o .... o_O |
skyHorizon said: yes you're right it would be sad that the ''perfect butler'' end up dying or disapering too . but if he take ciel soul does this mean he'll die? maybe he'll just turn into a demon too O_o .... o_O Demons eat souls, they do not disapear after taking one. Angela told Sebastian in season one that it had been a while since he ate a soul and that if he join with her/him he'll be able to eat a great number of soul. Basically to demon soul are just food, taking Ciel's soul should have no effect on Sebastian. Furthermore you can also say that demon EAT soul, they can't just get it back when they want, once it's eaten then it won't ever come back. Sebastian disapearing is not weird, he took Ciel's soul and returned to the world he was before he got summoned by Ciel. |
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| sebastian right arm is back O_o |
skyHorizon said: sebastian right arm is back O_o ppfftt well XD The 2nd season is like one yr after the incident in England and he a demon.... kinda normal he grew a arm back =0! |
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Kathleena said: skyHorizon said: sebastian right arm is back O_o ppfftt well XD The 2nd season is like one yr after the incident in England and he a demon.... kinda normal he grew a arm back =0! Got something to back up that it has been about 1 year since the first season? |
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| i just said it like that no need to be so serious |
| Ah well, seems like this season isn't even planning to remotely follow the manga in any way unless it's more than 20 episodes so it can keep up with the circus arc and the rest while having Alois and Claude as side characters in the process. It gives me great headache to think over it. They never showed Ciel being eaten; I'm not sure why people insist that he was eaten while there was no prove except a close up on Sebastian's face and blackness. Anyway, I hope this season becomes loyal to the manga, it's no use trying to make a new season when it's all about a filler or something. |
Dandere-chan said: Kathleena said: skyHorizon said: sebastian right arm is back O_o ppfftt well XD The 2nd season is like one yr after the incident in England and he a demon.... kinda normal he grew a arm back =0! Got something to back up that it has been about 1 year since the first season? I read it somewhere, where thought =X I dun't remember o.o. Anyways, It's obvious they're gonna stray from the Manga, I read it till most recent scans and well, I dun think they'll add Circus Arc AND well, we don't see him getting eaten or killed in the manga SOOOOO, it is a spin off. And Alois/Claude are absent in the manga. But this is trivial matter, I dun mind if they make the stories different, I like the Idea of taking another turn and stray a lil from the manga. As long they have a plot, i'm in o.o. And I am a fan, just open minded =___=;! Aisde anything that involves BDSM and Alois and Ciel=X! |
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skyHorizon said: i just said it like that no need to be so serious I wasn' ttaking it srsly =P unless you want me to take it srsly D=!!! I did put in "ppfffttt" in for a reason =P it wuz a funny comment XD! |
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Kathleena said: skyHorizon said: i just said it like that no need to be so serious I wasn' ttaking it srsly =P unless you want me to take it srsly D=!!! I did put in "ppfffttt" in for a reason =P it wuz a funny comment XD! ah no no xD i didn't say that to you ~ :-) and my comment about sebastian arm was suposed to be a funy too ,_, that's why i said ''no need to be so serious'' to someone >> @Demonette yeah i had this feeling too , sebastian is pround of his young master B-) . if not why sebastian made a contract whit him? Ciel's soul is in sebastian's taste |
skyHorizonAug 1, 2010 4:31 PM
skyHorizon said: Kathleena said: skyHorizon said: i just said it like that no need to be so serious I wasn' ttaking it srsly =P unless you want me to take it srsly D=!!! I did put in "ppfffttt" in for a reason =P it wuz a funny comment XD! ah no no xD i didn't say that to you ~ :-) and my comment about sebastian arm was suposed to be a funy too ,_, that's why i said ''no need to be so serious'' to someone >> @Demonette yeah i had this feeling too , sebastian is pround of his young master B-) . if not why sebastian made a contract whit him? Ciel's soul is in sebastian's taste Demon do not chose who to contract with. The first time Ciel and Sebastian met, Sebastian said that Ciel summoned him. Also Sebastian look like a higher level demon than Claude, be it because his nature is more of a bird/hawk while Claude is more of a spider and also because in the opening it clearly look like he is toying with Claude while Claude get angered. I don't think that usually demon are able to kill angels and shinigami THAT easely (just look how he took out Angela trap mode in the end of the first season, he was overwhelming) so one could assume that Sebastian is a high tier demon. The better the demon, the better his service I guess. Otherwhise I agree with Demonette for the first part, I only had seen up to episode 2 when I first posted in this thread. |
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| I think the producers underestimated the popularity of the first TV series so it ends up currently conflicting with the current season. However, I would say let the story play out first to see how this is explained. The Aberlain in this season appears to be the brother of the other since their personalities seem different. The Aberlain in the first season was a person that believes strongly in justice and noble causes and was somewhat capable. The Aberlain in the second season appears to be a bumbling idiot so far... This Aberlain also mentions about a twin brother that knew Ciel and alludes that he is no longer around in the present time... The Aberlain in the first season was recently married before getting mortally wounded in the line of duty... Also, in ep. 3 when Lord Randall meets Ciel, he acted like he usually did with Ciel on previous occasions. It is like Randall never recalled hunting down Ciel from the incidents in the last part of first season... so I suspect a timeline bridging or parallel world... |
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