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Jun 29, 2010 9:55 PM

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Yeah, I know but it just looks a bit neater.
 
Jun 29, 2010 11:21 PM

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From what I got, the cat intentionally lead him into the light, so he can bring out the girl vampire. Very clever indeed.

But I gotta say, this anime has been a rollercoaster. I've waited for over half a year for the last episode to be aired before starting this series, and I am glad I waited. To be honest, I don't even know why I like this anime, perhaps it is due to its cleverness, or bluntness, who knows but, whatever this anime did, it worked for me.

A 9.4ish in my books but for now, it deserves a 10. Not the biggest bang of an ending I have seen but it is still something I enjoyed.
 
Jun 29, 2010 11:28 PM

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Nice ending I guess, still not enough Senjogahara. A really nice series and I really enjoy it. Nothing much to say, but I like it when they say that Oshino is a nice guy. I rate it 9/10 ^^



 
Jun 29, 2010 11:37 PM

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Maximatum99 said:
Nyaatorrents? Real men use Tokyo Toshokan.

http://www.tokyotosho.info/details.php?id=324172


But I'm just a 15-year-old kid... People can only be considered as real men when they are 18 and older =)).
 
Jun 30, 2010 12:53 AM

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Lovely not-so-subtle advertising. Besides that, it was a decent closure episode. Of course, some people might dislike the amount of dialogue and the cuts, but all action scenes make for a duller series.

Too bad we didn't see enough of Karen and Tsukihi. Should a second season emerge I hope that issue might be resolved.
 
Jun 30, 2010 2:44 AM

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a_l_2606 said:
Maximatum99 said:
Real men use Tokyo Toshokan


But I'm just a 15-year-old kid... People can only be considered as real men when they are 18 and older =)).


I'm 15.
I use Tokyo Toshokan also.
I guess you lack balls, son.


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I didn't really like last ep at all (hated it tbh), but I overall liked the series (chyeah, I enjoyed this plotless crap).
Woop.
8/10
 
Jun 30, 2010 2:51 AM

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Sucrose said:
a_l_2606 said:
Maximatum99 said:
Real men use Tokyo Toshokan


But I'm just a 15-year-old kid... People can only be considered as real men when they are 18 and older =)).


I'm 15.
I use Tokyo Toshokan also.
I guess you lack balls, son.


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I didn't really like last ep at all (hated it tbh), but I overall liked the series (chyeah, I enjoyed this plotless crap).
Woop.
8/10
ROFL
"Before you insult someone, walk a mile in their shoes. That way, when you insult them, you'll be a mile away from them and you'll have their shoes."
 
Jun 30, 2010 3:16 AM

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Sucrose said:
a_l_2606 said:
Maximatum99 said:
Real men use Tokyo Toshokan


But I'm just a 15-year-old kid... People can only be considered as real men when they are 18 and older =)).


I'm 15.
I use Tokyo Toshokan also.
I guess you lack balls, son.


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I didn't really like last ep at all (hated it tbh), but I overall liked the series (chyeah, I enjoyed this plotless crap).
Woop.
8/10


Because I lack balls, I'm going to call mom, bwa ha ha ha ha!!!

Joking aside, "sugar sweet nightmare" piano cover is quite... er... sweet.
 
Jun 30, 2010 4:16 AM

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From what I got, the cat intentionally lead him into the light, so he can bring out the girl vampire. Very clever indeed.

Didn't really get this part, why did she do this exactly? and how did shinobu appear from his shadow?


Well, when he got back to the old cram school building, he said he wanted to show Oshino, Shinobu again (who was hiding in his shadow).

So I guess it goes something like, she never really ran away, she was just hiding in his shadow the whole time.

The Cat knew this, and because she was the oddity within Hanekawa which knew her deepest emotions, she actually never wanted to kill Araragi, she just wanted to lure Shinobu out by making Araragi call for her help (making her feel wanted) and save the day, by making her disappear again.
 
Jun 30, 2010 4:42 AM

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Episodes with Hitagi were great, and part were 10/10 quality. Animation was rather good too.

Everything else was garbage, including Kamiya Hiroshi's annoying voice and harem elements.

And why did we have to wait so long for this last episode?
 
Jun 30, 2010 4:49 AM
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ok ive never read the novels, or any other thing besides the anime for this, and i want to know wat exactly can shinobu do lol
from the way the people talk about her its like she has no powers at all and is like a doll
 
Jun 30, 2010 5:00 AM

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Gastli said:
Episodes with Hitagi were great, and part were 10/10 quality. Animation was rather good too.

Everything else was garbage, including Kamiya Hiroshi's annoying voice and harem elements.

And why did we have to wait so long for this last episode?


this.

exactly this.
 
Jun 30, 2010 5:46 AM

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One more week and it would have been a year since the first episode aired. Perhaps the studio didn't want to hear all the whingeing that would have resulted in waiting any longer. Three months for the first twelve and nine months for the next three.

Obviously the wait is tolerable but the gaps interfered with the story-telling.

Anyway, it is a great series. The ending was good. While more Senjougahara is always a good thing, the episode was Tsubasa's. Hitagi already had her episodes.
 
Jun 30, 2010 6:23 AM

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Gastli said:
Episodes with Hitagi were great, and part were 10/10 quality. Animation was rather good too.

Everything else was garbage, including Kamiya Hiroshi's annoying voice and harem elements.

And why did we have to wait so long for this last episode?


I don't see "full-on-despair mode" as an annoying bit... Go Zetsubou Sensei!!

While we may want 52 episodes filled with nothing but Araragi & Senjougahara chatting all day (one user had said this before), I think the other elements aren't garbage at all, in fact, they are quite entertaining. But less Nadeko fanservice is more tolerable.

And for the wait, it is because we're SHAFT'ed...
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Jun 30, 2010 7:08 AM

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The first two thirds of the episode were pretty boring tbh. Even so, I'm left wanting more. I'll give this a strong 7/10 for now; might become an 8 upon rewatch, but I lost interest because of SHAFT fucking up the schedule.
 
Jun 30, 2010 7:19 AM

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The only upsetting part of Bakemonogatari was waiting a damn year to actually finish the series.

I think more people would've given higher scores if we had 15 straight weeks of episodes, it's ironic that SHAFT was behind Bakemonogatari.

Any other production studio, for example Madhouse, Gainax, Bones, or even KyoAni would have done a better job in timely releases, quality art, and an overall improvement for how Bakemonogatari was handled.

HOWEVER, only Shaft would've given us this UNIQUE style of animation which was one of the biggest factors that made Bakemonogatari such a HUGE SUCCESS... and for that I'm very glad it was Shaft who was in charge.
 
Jun 30, 2010 9:34 AM

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a_l_2606 said:
Looks like the full version is on, people!
260mb in the face...

8th_Sin said:
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I'm also happy that he stayed with Hitagi, and we didn't get a Harem ending


Yeah, that's what I liked most about the final episode. The story would've been another harem crap if it ended with ep12.


I'm pretty sure that Araragi was quite decisive in sticking with Senjougahara in episode 12... Come on, they "kissed" under a starry sky.


Well yeah, but that episode came out nowhere. It wasn't really even "Tsubasa Cat - Part 2". Hardly story development.

Besides, just because he kissed 1 girl doesn't mean he can't kiss another.
 
Jun 30, 2010 11:12 AM

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I don't see "full-on-despair mode" as an annoying bit... Go Zetsubou Sensei!!
You are aware that Hiroshi pretty much always voice the same type of character?

The only time I liked to hear him was in Gundam 00 when he borrowed his voice to Tieria Arde.
 
Jun 30, 2010 2:50 PM

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i cannot believe it ended so short ever shinobu hadnt ben found yet
But finaly it ended
 
Jun 30, 2010 4:04 PM

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Gastli said:
Episodes with Hitagi were great, and part were 10/10 quality. Animation was rather good too.

Everything else was garbage(...)/quote]
MTE. Maybe some moments in Suruga part were worth a mention.
 
Jun 30, 2010 6:57 PM

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What have waiting for last episode to do with overall score? Nothing, so stop saying it over and over again.
Bakemonogatari was, is and will be epic nothing will change that.
 
Jun 30, 2010 7:16 PM

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Gastli said:
You are aware that Hiroshi pretty much always voice the same type of character?


I don't think I would call Izaya, Ric, Trafalgar Law, Kouji, Tieria and Nozomu the same type of character

Gastli said:

And why did we have to wait so long for this last episode?


Because SHAFT is very, very understaffed

I thought the very beginning of the episode (with the lightning and electric guitar) was very well-done. Actually the whole episode was pretty enjoyable, but that first part was really good. It really stuck out.

-First of all, as you can probably tell by my recent anime sig, I decided to wait until the day the last episode came out to watch the remaining three. It was not really that tough because 12 was such a good ending, they probably could have ended the series right there but I held through. I can't even imagine I would have enjoyed the episodes as I did if I had actually waited. This wasn't like the Rebuild movies in that case.

-Very glad to see Shinobu do something. The kick really made me go "YEAH!"

-Overall, this was quite the unique anime. I appreciated the visuals because honestly, I don't think anybody but SHAFT could do this with dialogue and make me so interested in the screen (well, given Tatami Galaxy, I bet Yuasa and Madhouse could do it). But it was a good show. The best description for it is probably Supernatural harem that's not a harem and I enjoyed that. 8/10 for the show. It had a lot of faults (like Nadeko Snake) but a lot of good points too. It's just definitely not a show that everybody is going to get.

And AraragiXSenjogahara forever. Great couple.

(Bake fags? Really? Do people just add the word fag at the end of a show they don't like, ascribe it to the fans and it sounds instantly cool?)
 
Jun 30, 2010 7:32 PM

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(Bake fags? Really? Do people just add the word fag at the end of a show they don't like, ascribe it to the fans and it sounds instantly cool?)
Yes and no. It just refers to the people who thinks this is so deep and is such a glorious masterpiece that could never have been conceived by a moral mind.
 
Jun 30, 2010 7:39 PM

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(Bake fags? Really? Do people just add the word fag at the end of a show they don't like, ascribe it to the fans and it sounds instantly cool?)
Yes and no. It just refers to the people who thinks this is so deep and is such a glorious masterpiece that could never have been conceived by a moral mind.

(Yeah, but I mean, come on. I hear it all the time in anything. Now it's synonomous with "those who like the show at all." It's as bad as "overrated")

That being said, I wouldn't call it deep....or glorious....or even a masterpiece really. I'd just call it "visually unique" and "good."

You know what would be a crazy concept? Yuasa+SHAFT.
 
Jun 30, 2010 8:01 PM

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No way. Yuasa stays with Madhouse.
 
Jun 30, 2010 8:34 PM

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I wanna know what happened 2 months back when Araragi fought the vampires :(. Do they cover this in the novel?
 
Jun 30, 2010 8:47 PM

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I wanna know what happened 2 months back when Araragi fought the vampires :(. Do they cover this in the novel?

Indeed. However animated it is not. OVA it most likely will become but then again, this is SHAFT. You just don't know with them.
 
Jun 30, 2010 8:50 PM

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Gastli said:
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I don't see "full-on-despair mode" as an annoying bit... Go Zetsubou Sensei!!
You are aware that Hiroshi pretty much always voice the same type of character?

The only time I liked to hear him was in Gundam 00 when he borrowed his voice to Tieria Arde.


Well... while Itoshiki, Kou Ichimiya & Araragi are pretty much the same type of "full-on-despair" character (yeah, if I'm in their situation, I'd shouting "WTF is wrong with those people???" all day, too). But Izaya from Durarara!! & Souma from Working!! are manipulative bastards... Those roles don't count as the same type of character.

Unlike most of you guys here, I don't have an extensive history with anime (Heck, I don't even care about Naruto, Bleach, One Piece, or even old school shows, blah blah blah... their manga series give me enough headaches). But from what I've saw, he has voiced quite a colorful cast of characters. Even some tropers at tvtropes have gone too far and called him as a "man of thousand voices"...

Sorry for being annoying.
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Jun 30, 2010 9:55 PM

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Excellent show through and through, it was well worth the wait. I enjoyed the whole concept mixed with the excellent visuals.
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Jun 30, 2010 10:51 PM

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I couldn't wait for the animated OP (I'll look at that later). Overall this show was ok. I'll probably give it an 8...but I think it could have done much better if Shaft was able to do a proper job on it (same thing for Dance in the Vampire Bund).
 
Jun 30, 2010 11:34 PM
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Will miss senjougahara, such an awesome character...any chances for a season 2??
 
Jul 1, 2010 12:29 AM

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I really enjoyed the last episode. The ending was nice too, with Araragi sort of taking over Oshino's position, and the Haunted House.

I had only minor complaints:

-I wanted to see the whole group of girls together at the end. But it makes sense that it would only be his fellow highschoolers.

-The delay, of course, was pretty annoying.

-I was hoping Shinobu would have an amazing one liner in the very last episode. Kind of disappointed Aya Hirano never showed up.

But these are pretty trifling things, and I give the last episode 5/5. The series gets a 10/10 for me.

And, randomly, did anyone else think that they were going to try and make it last a full year? Because of the long delay, I assumed they were holding out until July 3rd. End on the date that they began.
 
Jul 1, 2010 9:51 AM

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Anyone found this screencap to be funny?



Senjougahara has her own ways to comfort herself when her little Araragi is out doing humanitarian aid...
 
Jul 1, 2010 11:52 AM

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The last episode was quite good. Good ending to the story. I'm sad Oshino left but things happen. A season 2 is very unlikely nor do I actually want one. I'd rather have OVAs of the backstory of Araragi's past as a full vampire and Kizumongatari/Nisemonogatari as well.
 
Jul 1, 2010 2:19 PM

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We all know that Bakemonogatari is a GREAT series, unique and original in its style and characters, but with all the waiting and all, it actually lost a lot of excitement... but still gets a 10 from me =)

 
Jul 1, 2010 7:12 PM

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Wonder if this is reliable?

 
Jul 1, 2010 7:27 PM

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OMG IT'S OVER!!!

;_;

9.5/10...so a 10.
 
Jul 1, 2010 8:56 PM

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I love this show and I've followed it since the beginning, but to be quite honest, they did not need to stretch this over an entire year. It was this time last year that I first picked it up and thought it was awesome, and I thought it would be finished by September.

~Sigh~

Good ending though. I'm glad to finally see the conclusion - it made me very happy.
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Jul 1, 2010 11:03 PM

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Wonder if this is reliable?


Claymore and Bakemonogatari season 2 lol, if only that was true...
 
Jul 1, 2010 11:08 PM

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a_l_2606 said:
Wonder if this is reliable?


Claymore and Bakemonogatari season 2 lol, if only that was true...


Yeah, most of the shows listed in there are TOO good to be true... But one can be hoping, right?
 
Jul 2, 2010 1:37 AM
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omfg Episode finally came in and it was well worth the watched and the wait. 9/10 for me :0
 
Jul 2, 2010 6:32 AM
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Wonder if this is reliable?


pfft, Sock Monkey Loves You is the only decent one on the list
 
Jul 2, 2010 12:01 PM

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Wonder if this is reliable?


pfft, Sock Monkey Loves You is the only decent one on the list
lol

And lol again at Bake season 2. Maybe they'll cover the sisters or something. I hope it's true.
 
Jul 2, 2010 1:44 PM

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This show was a complete failure on a production standpoint. So much so that I can't remember why I have it at even a 7. But I do, and somehow, I don't think a 6 is befitting of the show.
 
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a_l_2606 said:
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Wonder if this is reliable?
Claymore and Bakemonogatari season 2 lol, if only that was true...
Yeah, most of the shows listed in there are TOO good to be true... But one can be hoping, right?
Seeing how good that list is, it's most likely fake. Besides, Azuma-sensei doesn't have any plans on a Yotsuba& anime ^^;
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Jul 2, 2010 3:12 PM
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Great finale. What an astonishing show. Totally loved it. Now to rewatch it with the blurays.

Artwork was awesome again in this one.

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Jul 2, 2010 3:18 PM

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Aw man... too bad it's over.

But it was great. Loved the piano version of "Sugar Sweet Nightmare" playing through the episode.
 
Jul 2, 2010 5:36 PM

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I dunno...it wasn't bad but...it could had been better than that.

8/10 'Cause most part of the anime was fanservice.

PD: Shinobu never spoke in the whole anime...I don't even know why her supposed voice actor was Aya Hirano. Maybe when SHAFT will think in make Kizumonogatari...she at least could speak a single line or something. -_-
 
Jul 2, 2010 5:45 PM

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Kizumonogatari needs to be made into an anime NAO :D
 
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finally this shit is over ^^
 
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