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Apr 19, 2012 12:36 PM
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wow, this turned out to be more serious as I thought it would be. I watched it with German dub. First it felt lackluster but overall the actors made a good job. I will still have to rewatch the Japanese with sub.
I think too the town is purgatory...only this is a kind, friendly purgatory :D The people of the town are the actual angels who inhabit it and the Haibanen are dead people who get a chance to finish the personal issues with themselves before they leave forever.
Why are all the Haibanen so jung ? why are there more girls? I think too that maybe Rikki committed suicide but I'm unsure about the others. What about the little kids then? ITs unlikely that so many 5-6 year old kill themselves. The limbo thing does not work out too, because then there would be thousand times more kids there..I don't really know.
Unfortunately I knew a lot of people who committed suicide I wish for a place like that to exist so that they can find peace T_T
 
May 1, 2012 12:44 AM

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Wow. This show was incredible. I can see how the pacing and subject matter might not be everyone's speed (or might be over a few people's heads, as well) but this is one of the best anime I've ever seen and one of the best ways I've seen an old question of life and death 'answered.'
 
May 16, 2012 9:10 AM

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we;; that was by far the best episode, by a million miles, although there was a few questions that didn't get answered most were, and I was satisfied with that, also so so glad Reki got her happy ending, the scene with the train was just breathtaking I don't think I breathed for at least a minute xD i personally believe at the end of the series, that maybe it was something to do with suicide, or along those lines, but its kinda like they were 'angels in training' when they found themselves, forgave there sins..... they were accepted into heaven maybe? That's what i got anyway, nonetheless a nice short but sweet series, glad I picked this one up!
 
Jul 24, 2012 12:11 AM

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It was a snorefest for me.. which makes me sad because 99% of you think it's the best anime ever..

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Sep 14, 2012 9:03 PM

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By far the best episode in the series. Great concept and a touching end.
 
Sep 22, 2012 8:08 AM

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I will give this show all the credit in the world for originality. The story itself was a little lackluster for me unfortunately. I'm glad the way everything turned out and the the story's world concepts are intriguing but meh.

7/10
 
Oct 4, 2012 2:24 PM

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seems like this place is purgatory.
 
Oct 7, 2012 11:16 PM

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This is truly an a great unknown series. A great, great last episode. I figured this series would be very open to interpretation, and it was. I definitely was surprised by the last episode, but in a good. The last few episodes completely switched the focus from Rakka to Reki. It was really Reki's story to salvation all along. And it was great to see Rakka going to take over Reki's role at the very end. This was such a great series, and i'm very glad I own, so I force it upon others so they can experience it too. 9/10, truly a great series (would give 10/10, but the pacing was just a little too slow for me at first, and the first few episodes were not at all what I was expecting)

It's much better than Lain, i'll say that much.
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Oct 30, 2012 4:34 PM
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kadian1364 said:
Every couple of years, I rewatch some favorite anime of mine, and Haibane Renmei is one of those titles I always look forward to seeing again.

Are they angels, or are they human? What do their dreams mean? Is this Heaven? Hell? Purgatory? What are their sins? Where do they go after when they leave? I love these kinds of stories, with hidden meanings, layers of interpretation to unravel, endings whose ultimate significance is up to its audience.

I also love that it never lost sight of its characters and setting, superbly building a world that seems familiar yet mysterious, and features daily interactions and the simple joys of living. Unlike Eva, which sometimes drove its psychoanalytical bent to extremes and near utter incomprehensibility, Haibane Renmei kept the story grounded, personal and relatable.

Years after I first saw it, I come back and still find new things about it to discover. It really is a work of art; you take away from it as much or as little as you put into it.


I love the idea of not knowing exactly what happened. Usually when shows do this they tend to piss me off (Elfen Lied, for one). But this show left you content with everything it presented and did a perfect job of its length.

It was such a simple lesson but it was done in a really beautiful way. I hope I get to see more shows like this in my lifetime. This was something special.
 
Dec 17, 2012 5:11 PM

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pleasant watch although I did feel a bit bored at times with the early slice of life liking feeling. Still, it was very refreshing.
 
Dec 20, 2012 6:02 AM

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somehow a dissaappointing end for me , because the main thing that interest me about this series is the mystery surrounding the haibane and barely any question are answered. Especiallly aftter emphasizing those questions on early episodes but not really mentioned on latter episodes.

so 7/10 from me
 
Jan 7, 2013 1:07 PM
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9/10 for me

The story started to become interesting at episode 7 and the ending is nice. In a way I like the way nothing is revealed about the Haibane so there's room for imagination. I think that they're just people whose life didn't finish properly, who still need some experience before moving on. The sin-bound Haibane are those who killed themselves. Some are reborn as children, some as adults. It depends on how much they need to pass on. Once they reach a certain point they fly to the sky, they die. The thing(s) inside the wall is/are probably the haibane that didn't manage to "fly" before their time was gone,
 
Jan 7, 2013 3:17 PM

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And so it ends, it wasn't an all to bad ending but for me it feels unfinished they could have really improved the story with a couple more episodes or so!

As for the series, well it did really started great but the uneven story development and the rather slow pace in story although rather fast pace in each episode made it really unbalanced to watch and god quite boring after a time. Although in general it isn't all to bad they still could have had lots of improvements onto the series and for starters making it a 26 episode anime instead of only 13 as now the story seems so unfinished.

The art was not all to bad but the animations could have been slightly better, sometimes it really bothered me but in general it was not bad at all!

I still had a nice watch though! 6/10
 
Jan 16, 2013 10:14 PM
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It was a snorefest for me.. which makes me sad because 99% of you think it's the best anime ever..

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Sometimes an anime doesn't need constant action, melodrama, and boobs flashing on the screen every 2 seconds to be consider great. The entire tone of the series, the attention to detail in each scene visually, and the heartwarming message is unlike any other anime I have ever seen.

Then again, shows these days are usually always targeted to a specific audience, and a show like haibane renmei, which is basically one of the few shows where the writer can convey all of his feelings into an anime like this, doesn't come too often.

Ultimately it's all about opinion. Although I don't believe in such a thing as the "best anime ever," there's no reason to say you're sad that people liked this show. It's basically telling the people who liked it that their taste is shit because it isn't the same as your taste.
 
Jan 18, 2013 11:15 AM

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Baconzombie said:
Ultimately it's all about opinion. Although I don't believe in such a thing as the "best anime ever," there's no reason to say you're sad that people liked this show. It's basically telling the people who liked it that their taste is shit because it isn't the same as your taste.


No. The path of prejudice is an endless and unrewarding one, you'd do best to stay off of it. I'm almost 100% certain he's not telling everyone else they have bad taste, but rather, he is saying he's sad because he was unable have the amazing experience everyone else has said they had, and wishes he could see the same things everyone else sees in this anime.

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Well, that episode was great. I'd have to agree that it is probably the best one in the series. The only problem I really had with it is that Reki changed her disposition very rapidly over a period of only a few minutes. At first she was depressed, resentful, and hostile towards Rekka. Then she suddenly became repentant, desperate, and friendly to Rekka. It seemed like it all happened too fast, but I enjoyed it regardless.

Ordinarily I'd feel like the ending was a cliffhanger, as many questions are still left unanswered, but somehow I actually felt totally satisfied with how it ended.

10/10
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Jan 20, 2013 12:34 PM

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I've just finished rewatching Haibane Renmei, I loved it the first time, and rewatching it I've ended up loving it even more.

This anime really is a gem, comparable to the likes of Mushishi and Kino's Journey, It's not a show you need to race through, each episode is to be savored. The lack of direct answers to the show does not bring the anime down, instead it's one of the things I liked so much. You know its a good show when you aren't fed all of the information. Being able to think and come up answers with yourself is one of the things which is so rewarding.

Another thing I have to mention is the soundtrack, I have to say that this anime has one of the best soundtracks I've ever heard, if not the best. It's so memorable and fits the show perfectly, I'll definitely never forget it.

It might not be for everyone, but I really feel this anime is special, I have no doubt that I'll be rewatching this yet again in the future.
 
Mar 12, 2013 7:52 PM

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8/10
Loved the ending
 
Mar 17, 2013 6:36 PM

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I want more! :D
 
Apr 2, 2013 4:19 PM

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Two words: Perfect pacing
 
Apr 24, 2013 8:24 AM

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Oh god, how much I hate happy endings.
 
May 7, 2013 5:31 PM
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I'm pretty sure I just cried for ~23 minutes straight. Beautiful ending, though we're not explicitly given any answers about the whole Haibane ordeal, the wall, the Day of Flight, etc. Although I think most of the people's speculations regarding Christian/religious symbolism is more than plausible, I heard that the creator didn't actually intend for it to be that way? Not sure. But I do know that he said he was leaving it up to the audience to interpret the anime.

Reki seriously went through a lot, I cried for her--for her past, her dream, and her internal conflicts...I'm glad she was able to have her Day of Flight. Although the themes of the anime was apparent in the later episodes, it was almost nonexistent in the beginning episodes. As much as I loved the anime, I don't think it's perfect. The first few episodes, although nice and slice-of-life like, they barely contributed to the rest of the story, as it was just Rakka tagging along with the seniors of Old Home. It did well in world building, but it wasn't completely necessary to spend 2-3 (maybe 4?) episodes on it. I also was a annoyed at Rakka most of the time (but that's my personal bias). Aside from those points and maybe a few other, I enjoyed this anime (mostly the later half). It is definitely though-provoking, and it's probably one of those anime that you have to keep thinking a lot about yet may still never truly understand it. Although the beauty of this anime is that nothing is really answered at the end and everything is left to the viewer's interpretation, I kind of wish that ABe Yoshitoshi gave us some hints though :D
 
May 29, 2013 6:07 AM

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This still remains my favorite anime to this day.
I watched in the first time in 2005, then again in 2009, and another time this past week.
I can't believe how much I relate to it and fall in love with it even more.
It really speaks to people who have particularly gone through certain scenarios.

10/10
 
Jun 4, 2013 11:41 PM
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I have those times when I finish watching something I couldn't comprehend, but I knew it was something amazingly special. This is one of those times.
 
Jun 15, 2013 3:04 PM

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I love the last few episodes of this series a lot. At first I didn't like it during the first half, but the show gradually got more interesting with each episode.

I don't really want to know about the walls or the world outside because I don't think that's the point of the the show. The only thing I want to know is what the Haibane actually are. I'm guessing they're people that died without content and they were allowed to have a short second chance or maybe that story that Reki told Rakka was actually true.
 
Jun 18, 2013 9:12 AM
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Shows like this really gets you thinking.

Abe-sensei really did leave us a lot of unanswered questions and to make our own interpretations. That's really enjoyable in its own right but I can't help to think what was his idea behind this entire show.
 
Jun 27, 2013 12:38 AM

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I really liked the anime. I also think I should have watched it a loooong time ago. Would've helped me a lot with my struggles. Oh well.
Watching it now, when I am aware of what it tries to tell, certainly I can't be THAT impressed. But that's only me. Doesn't change the fact that I can see through its potential and definitely recommend it to a few lost souls ;)

I'm glad I watched it, only I wish I had watched it sooner, when my wings had black spots, too. :)
 
Sep 10, 2013 1:14 PM
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I'm glad I didn't drop this after what felt like a very slow beginning. A very heartfelt and spiritually uplifting story. I also enjoyed the fact that we are left to do our own interpretations.
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Sep 22, 2013 12:45 AM

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Just finished re-watching this. A couple of years have passed but this series still had the same impact on me as when I first watched it: I found myself staring at the ceiling. It left me with a heavy feeling but at the same time I felt like something else was lifted from my shoulders. I guess it means I'm still far off from my Day of Flight, for better or worse.
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Oct 9, 2013 7:15 AM

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10 years ago probably a good anime, hence the high rating.
But nowadays? Meh, just meh.
6/10.
Couldn't care less for Reki.
While this anime had an interesting world to offer it almost never goes into detail, only when it's convenient.
Instead it focuses on boring characters with some kind of Slice of Life approach until the last 2-3 eps where suddenly Rekis cliched self-made problem slips into the spotlight. *yawn*
 
Nov 10, 2013 8:04 AM

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The idea behind the anime is strikingly awesome, it tackles with real life issue in a surreal way that really touch me. But, there are too many things about this world that left unanswered, for instance what is beyond the wall, the toga, what is inside the wall, why do they need the halo, is the wing just a sign to separate them from the other ppl or signify if one is a sin-bound or not, what kind of the "ppl" that live in their world.

The author wants to express his idea through a fantasy kind of way, which is good but he has to handle the setting he made up better. I really appreciate the message implies within this anime, but what really got me going was the journey to look for the answers for those question above, but they are left in the dust. For this matter, it reminds of Angel Beats, but actually Angel Beats did a better job in explaining its setting. However, Angel Beats is not that totally better, but still, I found myself enjoys something with more clarity
 
Nov 11, 2013 5:42 PM

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10 years ago probably a good anime, hence the high rating.
But nowadays? Meh, just meh.
6/10.
Couldn't care less for Reki.
While this anime had an interesting world to offer it almost never goes into detail, only when it's convenient.
Instead it focuses on boring characters with some kind of Slice of Life approach until the last 2-3 eps where suddenly Rekis cliched self-made problem slips into the spotlight. *yawn*


Hilarious, coming from someone who is a Kyoanus shit eater, has To-Love ru in his favorites, likes Ano Forced Drama Hana and has an avatar of one of the most dull, boring, characters from one of the most boring shows ever made. Stay classy.

This really had a slow start and Rakka annoyed me to the very last episode but it still managed to make me cry, beautiful 9/10.
 
Nov 13, 2013 1:08 AM

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nantuko said:
10 years ago probably a good anime, hence the high rating.
But nowadays? Meh, just meh.

Ten years ago this was as good as it is now, don't be absurd.
 
Dec 14, 2013 6:26 PM

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This was absolutely beautiful.
I could not hold back my tears seeing Reki finally able to take flight.
I knew a while back that Reki needed help since whenever someone offered Reki help she wouldn't accept it.
This, in some sort of way, had me connecting with the characters in so many ways, I just absolutely love the theme of this anime.
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Jan 7, 2014 3:58 AM
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Does anyone else think the city is supposed to be some sort of purgatory?


Yes. I thought the same thing!

I really loved the show.
 
Jan 10, 2014 3:45 AM

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wontgetschooled said:
Does anyone else think the city is supposed to be some sort of purgatory?


Yes. I thought the same thing!

I really loved the show.
 
Feb 5, 2014 8:21 AM

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This was so divine, the first and 6th episode stood out for me
The walls of Glie reminded me of wall Maria/Rose

Reki's youth sin haunting her was shown very good and the resolve with Rakka standing by was so beautiful

The Haibane seems like Angels waiting for their transit transfer to heaven
 
Feb 18, 2014 3:10 AM

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Simply Amazing. With this kind of ending, there is room for some sort of speculation.

9/10.
 
Mar 22, 2014 7:30 PM

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Really gorgeous, an open ending but masterfully ties up the themes of the show.

9/10.
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Apr 7, 2014 6:40 AM

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Wow that ending
so much feels
 
Apr 10, 2014 6:40 PM
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Loved this. Unique, nostalgic, emotional. I agree with the theory that it was a purgatory and the girls committed suicide in their previous lives. Glad Reki was finally able to take flight.
 
Apr 17, 2014 9:00 AM

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Amazing show. I especially liked the pacing and atmosphere.

But I feel like this show could have used a lot more episodes to further develop the other characters.

On one hand there are a lot of unanswered questions, but on the other maybe it's a good thing they were never answered to leave it to viewer interpretation.
 
May 1, 2014 7:39 AM
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Looks like mysteries are left unexplained.

So......so far the only logical explanation of the show is either that they were walled in a purgatory, or that they themselves were in a purgatorial-like state? (but non Haibanes are just normal humans)

Is there any other theory that makes sense?
 
May 1, 2014 1:02 PM

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I really don't see what all the fuss is about. I don't really get why this anime is so highly rated. The whole deal with the Toga and the wall was left unexplained. What the Haibane are is unknown. And what's the point of the human villagers?

I really don't like anime that just throw a load of supernatural shit at you and then never explain it. This one didn't explain anything. It's just left to your imagination like a pre-school story book.

6/10
 
May 11, 2014 5:45 AM

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Suffice to say, I enjoyed the series: I'm not entirely sure about my rating at the moment though. As said before, the wall was never really the point of the series, although I'm still curious about the existence of the Haibane... If they at least answered the question as to their purpose, I feel like this series would have had a far better conclusion.

PS: The ED totally reminds me of Humanity has Declined's ED.
 
May 15, 2014 6:55 PM

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A bit of a weird show. I feel like the wall is where the Haibane go to rest in peace after they have resolved their sins. Rakka heard Kuu while she was working in the walls. It'd make sense that if you try to touch the wall you get punished for it because you're not ready to make resolve, you're still sinned or what have you so you get punished. Although not everyone is sin-bound, it seems like they all have things that need to be resolved.

I never trusted the Toga throughout the series but they did seem to help. Felt like they were going to betray the Haibane so I was a bit surprised that it didn't happen. Who are they? Gods perhaps? True angels? They do provide guidance although very subtle at times.

The thing about the girls dreams being their suicide dreams make sense. Reminds me a bit of the movie Colorful.

The ED was very nice. Love that girls voice although her voice is a bit too cheery for the series. To the person above, she also sings the ED to Jinrui and the OP for Azumanga Daioh so that's probably why it reminds you of Jinrui.
 
May 18, 2014 4:16 AM
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Funny how I thought it would be a nice way to gather paintings in a room to simulate a moment when I saw Reki's paintings for the first time and it turned out to be what she did.

I couldn't find the so called "deep" plot in the anime.

Exactly opposite to what is said like "watch it, it gets better and deeper", the best episode was the first and it got awfully worse after that. It is not that I didn't like the pace, I am perfectly comfortable with watching slow anime and/or slice of life.

Also, the similarity to Lain in the beginning I have felt kinda cast a shadow to Haibane Renmei overall. 7/10 which is "meh" for me.

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May 30, 2014 9:14 PM

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This series ended well. There was a sense of completeness to it, although there're just 13 episodes. It was beautiful, and had something of nostalgic.
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Jun 7, 2014 1:59 AM

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really loved the way they piece things up in the end. Refreshingly, this is one of the best "alternative-reality" show I have come across. As expected, Haibanes leave without saying good bye. 9/10.
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Jun 30, 2014 9:33 AM

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i wait till the last seconds wondering if they will explain about the wall and town and ect... but shit they didn't !!
but i still love the feels when reki still leaving even though her curse was lifted, it so heartwarming.
 
Jul 5, 2014 4:10 AM

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I feel that this show seemed confused about it's main purpose. If it wanted to focus more on character relations and Reki's salvation, I think making the story much shorter and more focused would have made everything benefit. The way they directed the story, however, put a focus on the mysteries of the wall and Raka's past more than most else. Because of this, you're kinda taken off guard when the focus does a huge shift to Reki, and the trail you were being led before is never met with a conclusion.

The show was good, but since it focused too much on Raka's past and the wall, I feel unsatisfied by not even being given a few hints or clues to what was really going on there. We don't know what happens when one is blessed, we don't know what the wall is exactly or what is beyond it, and we don't know anything about Raka's past. There was so much downtime in the anime that never really paid off afterwards that could've been used towards working to satisfy in these categories.

A short sequel could still fix some of these loose ends though
 
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