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Mar 27, 2011 2:25 PM

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It was a very odd ride, it wasn't too short, but not too long either. You say that the very point of this series could be considered as the relations between the characters and the outstanding music. While both of these statements are true, I'd say that what's even more important is the UNIQUE, and impossible to describe with words, atmosphere. The mystery factor (what exactly is the town, what are renmei, why such a place exists, and so on and so forth) adds a lot to the feeling, but what strikes the most is how you literally feel this anime. It's so vivid, it's almost possible to touch it.
Until now, I haven't watched an anime that would awaken such emotions in me - it shouldn't be even rated, as it's simply something on a whole different level. If I cannot express my feelings about this show in words, how am I supposed to do so by rating it... I'm giving it a 10, but it's not appropriate for this series. It shouldn't be lower, nor should it be higher, it's just... out of the scale. Sorry for not making any sense, but I just can't grasp what exactly I feel right now...

Apr 3, 2011 8:30 AM

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Just finished this. C/P my post.
live2win said:

Haibane Renmei has flaws ? I was so mesmerized with the characters and settings I didn't realize any. Charming, very charming. The osts and opening stole my heart, seriously, they are like beautiful accessories accompanying a breathtaking goddess. It has a brilliant emotional ending and the series is a good take on existentialism. I have difficulty allocating a score to it, so for now, it will be a solid 9. Give a temporary favorite character spot to Reki ;)
May 11, 2011 2:06 AM

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Simply beautiful. The ending was very satisfying. Reki finally could pass on. The ending scene was so cute, they're gonna have twin Haibane! lol

Before I started this, I was expecting one of those pretentious and lolDEEP shows that would be super boring, but it totally surprised me and I ended up watching all of the episodes in one go. Setting was magnificent, perfect OST and memorable characters. I can't believe I let myself go without watching this show for so long.
May 20, 2011 8:09 AM
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Kotori said:
cheap ending, this episode was far from the best, and they didn't explain anything.


No, you just haven't been following the series and take everything at face value.
May 27, 2011 2:08 PM

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My God. That episode...was hands down one of the best ending episodes of an anime I've ever seen. Reki's cry for help after her previous revelations was a perfect moment, and one to look forward to upon the inevitable rewatch :-D

After a real emotional journey through this anime, I'ma give it a 9/10
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Jun 8, 2011 7:17 PM

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The Angel Beats! of the past. Heck this is what Angel Beats! should've been. A 9/10.
Jun 9, 2011 10:13 AM

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I honestly have so many thoughts and theories about this show that I can't put them all into words right now. And that's really the mark of a great series. Part of me wishes that some of my questions could be answered, but this way is best. Wish we could have a second season, but that's unlikely and would probably lessen the impact this season had. I loved the way it started off as a light slice-of-life show and slowly grew to something greater. I didn't enjoy the middle episodes (7 & 8) much due to Rakka though, so I can't give this more than a 9/10.

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Jun 14, 2011 7:08 AM
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StealMate said:
The Angel Beats! of the past.

What? The difference between this show and Angel Shits is that AB is shit and this is one of the best animes ever.
Jun 30, 2011 12:53 AM

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I think the Haibane are people 'reborn' again and are at an inbetween place of heaven and hell. Which most of you have already said to be a sort of limbo/purgatory. Using religious referrences for this; I believe the New Feathers are just as someone else mentioned- still born or aborted children.
For the origins of the Haibane (that I've repeated already from others) I wholly agree with the idea.

My idea to why the Haibane had to receive hand-me-downs and used items was to prevent some sort of earthly tie. You know, like materialism-- that explains why money is never to fall in to their hands- since it can be considered a form of greed or evil. I also think the used items kind of represent the state the Haibane are in, they're at a 'second' chance for redemption.

I think the reason why they're 'reborn' without the the memory of their past lives is to prevent complications for their goal which is to find resolve and forgiveness and join the flight- the other side. Another reason for that is, if you knew of your past life- some people might grieve and stray away from their rebirth- like suggested fail to accomplish their goals.

I think the idea of working is kind of like a way to physically atone for one's sins or misdeeds. Sort of like a community surface and for the sake of representing that second chances can promote change...

The idea that the Wall shouldn't be touched kind of reminds me of the idea of the Fall of Adam and Eve. In a sense, Reki was Eve who was tempted with the idea of what's over the wall- then we have Hyouko who followed Reki. The excommunication of God which in this sense is the punishment that result from disobeying the Toga which can be considered God's messengers.

Sorry for all the religious references- but placed in that way sort of makes sense in terms of symbolism.

Another thing that's been bothering me are the crows. Those birds have a history of being a bad omen or an inevitable sign of death. Was I the only one who thought where ever the birds were it was certain that someone was going to 'go'? In another sense- the birds were kind of the 'grim reapers' and guided the Haibane to their salvation aka The Flight?

I also think that the Toga can be considered 'God's messengers'. They seem to understand the Haibane and now what to go from there. They're the only ones able to come in and out of the wall (heaven to purgatory reference here)- kind of like a guide to the Haibane but not necessarily a 'hand-me-out' guide?

Anyways--- sorry for the crappy and run on sentences- I think that's all I can come up with.
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Jul 4, 2011 9:16 PM

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Pointless... -_-
Aug 2, 2011 12:06 AM
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I thoroughly enjoyed the series.....very emotional ending.....Good for Rekki, hope she and Rakka meet again.
Aug 17, 2011 5:10 AM

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not very clear what rakka and the others really are...
but overall this anime is good...
we rarely to see this kind of anime again these days.. -___-

btw i'd love to see how and when rakka's day of flight.... :)
Sep 23, 2011 11:02 AM
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I can't find any plausible theory as to what the Haibane are... That's because most ideas (for example, people who committed suicide) don't explain why so few of them are 'sinborn'. Also, I don't get why do they is everyone OK with the rules and limitations. I'm not necessarily talking about a rebellion, but I would expect people/haibane (at least the new ones) to question a lot more, and more people to try to leave the town...
I have no ideas about Rakka's job either. What exactly was it about? What was in the river? Were the walls actually 'good' or 'bad'? Were the Haibane being abused or the town and the Renmei were really trying to help, but that was the best they could afford?
Nov 13, 2011 2:03 PM
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I was expecting something better to be honest, I wanted something like Lain or the like, and instead I got a "I am moe moe desu, but I hide it under a avant garde ambientation" and a slice of life with the lamest components ever.

I was almost forced to watch till the end, because I thought there was something meaningful behind it... I think k-on and this show have the same depth.
Nov 27, 2011 2:54 PM
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Hb_ said:
I was expecting something better to be honest, I wanted something like Lain or the like, and instead I got a "I am moe moe desu, but I hide it under a avant garde ambientation" and a slice of life with the lamest components ever.

I was almost forced to watch till the end, because I thought there was something meaningful behind it... I think k-on and this show have the same depth.

i'd say your post and k-on are on the same wavelength in terms of depth, rather
Jan 13, 2012 10:28 PM

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This was a great show. I wish I had finished it sooner now.
Jan 28, 2012 10:02 PM

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Silent_Scream said:
The Angel Beats! of the past.

Well that says it, setting-wise...but haibane renmei is still yet better in regards to its moral value and symbolism, and that was a spanning gap of 8 years(i guess the industry nowadays is really running out of morally creative ideas)...

Actually Jun Maeda, the creator of angel beats(and clannad) himself, was suggested to have been influenced by this surreal but inspiring story.

Overall, alas i have found a hidden gem...after being buried for almost 10 years, why in the world i watched this show only just recently? Pleasing plot progression in a short timeframe, and the soundtrack T__T im strict at scores, and giving 8/10 means this was a good show under the antique shop \m/

Feb 18, 2012 9:11 PM

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Just rewatched this with a buddy of mine.

Absolutely fantastic show, and severely underrated - this is rated lower than Angel Beats for the same reason the new Call of Duties break video game records. That is, people are fucking stupid.
Feb 21, 2012 11:38 PM

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Rakka was alone because she thought nobody wanted her. She needed someone in the form of a bird to tell her she was wanted to break the circle. Reki never asked someone for help because she had learned that the safety of getting support from others betrays you when they disappear. She needed to be driven to a corner until she could trust Rakka's support to break the circle. A bit too shallow and not really thought-provoking, it's just a story about people who act irrationally because of their uncertainities and how people need one another when they get lost.

The scenes between Rakka and Reki were nice, and it was particularly touching how Reki's true nature became someone who supports the weak, the thing she felt she felt she was stolen from unfairly both in her previous life and life as Haibane (Kuramori). Interesting to see how selfish Rakka was in the end, not allowing Reki to have any selfish thoughts. That's much better than seeing her endlessly support others with unexplained cheerfulness.

Being shallow and generic aside, this was pretty great overall. 4/5, 8/10
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Mar 19, 2012 4:15 AM
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Such a beautiful conclusion. 7/10, definitely.
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Apr 19, 2012 12:36 PM
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wow, this turned out to be more serious as I thought it would be. I watched it with German dub. First it felt lackluster but overall the actors made a good job. I will still have to rewatch the Japanese with sub.
I think too the town is purgatory...only this is a kind, friendly purgatory :D The people of the town are the actual angels who inhabit it and the Haibanen are dead people who get a chance to finish the personal issues with themselves before they leave forever.
Why are all the Haibanen so jung ? why are there more girls? I think too that maybe Rikki committed suicide but I'm unsure about the others. What about the little kids then? ITs unlikely that so many 5-6 year old kill themselves. The limbo thing does not work out too, because then there would be thousand times more kids there..I don't really know.
Unfortunately I knew a lot of people who committed suicide I wish for a place like that to exist so that they can find peace T_T
May 1, 2012 12:44 AM

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Wow. This show was incredible. I can see how the pacing and subject matter might not be everyone's speed (or might be over a few people's heads, as well) but this is one of the best anime I've ever seen and one of the best ways I've seen an old question of life and death 'answered.'
May 16, 2012 9:10 AM

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we;; that was by far the best episode, by a million miles, although there was a few questions that didn't get answered most were, and I was satisfied with that, also so so glad Reki got her happy ending, the scene with the train was just breathtaking I don't think I breathed for at least a minute xD i personally believe at the end of the series, that maybe it was something to do with suicide, or along those lines, but its kinda like they were 'angels in training' when they found themselves, forgave there sins..... they were accepted into heaven maybe? That's what i got anyway, nonetheless a nice short but sweet series, glad I picked this one up!
Jul 24, 2012 12:11 AM

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It was a snorefest for me.. which makes me sad because 99% of you think it's the best anime ever..

Sep 14, 2012 9:03 PM

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By far the best episode in the series. Great concept and a touching end.
Sep 22, 2012 8:08 AM

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I will give this show all the credit in the world for originality. The story itself was a little lackluster for me unfortunately. I'm glad the way everything turned out and the the story's world concepts are intriguing but meh.

Oct 4, 2012 2:24 PM

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seems like this place is purgatory.
Oct 7, 2012 11:16 PM

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This is truly an a great unknown series. A great, great last episode. I figured this series would be very open to interpretation, and it was. I definitely was surprised by the last episode, but in a good. The last few episodes completely switched the focus from Rakka to Reki. It was really Reki's story to salvation all along. And it was great to see Rakka going to take over Reki's role at the very end. This was such a great series, and i'm very glad I own, so I force it upon others so they can experience it too. 9/10, truly a great series (would give 10/10, but the pacing was just a little too slow for me at first, and the first few episodes were not at all what I was expecting)

It's much better than Lain, i'll say that much.
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Oct 30, 2012 4:34 PM
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kadian1364 said:
Every couple of years, I rewatch some favorite anime of mine, and Haibane Renmei is one of those titles I always look forward to seeing again.

Are they angels, or are they human? What do their dreams mean? Is this Heaven? Hell? Purgatory? What are their sins? Where do they go after when they leave? I love these kinds of stories, with hidden meanings, layers of interpretation to unravel, endings whose ultimate significance is up to its audience.

I also love that it never lost sight of its characters and setting, superbly building a world that seems familiar yet mysterious, and features daily interactions and the simple joys of living. Unlike Eva, which sometimes drove its psychoanalytical bent to extremes and near utter incomprehensibility, Haibane Renmei kept the story grounded, personal and relatable.

Years after I first saw it, I come back and still find new things about it to discover. It really is a work of art; you take away from it as much or as little as you put into it.

I love the idea of not knowing exactly what happened. Usually when shows do this they tend to piss me off (Elfen Lied, for one). But this show left you content with everything it presented and did a perfect job of its length.

It was such a simple lesson but it was done in a really beautiful way. I hope I get to see more shows like this in my lifetime. This was something special.
Dec 17, 2012 5:11 PM

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pleasant watch although I did feel a bit bored at times with the early slice of life liking feeling. Still, it was very refreshing.
Dec 20, 2012 6:02 AM

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somehow a dissaappointing end for me , because the main thing that interest me about this series is the mystery surrounding the haibane and barely any question are answered. Especiallly aftter emphasizing those questions on early episodes but not really mentioned on latter episodes.

so 7/10 from me
Jan 7, 2013 1:07 PM
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9/10 for me

The story started to become interesting at episode 7 and the ending is nice. In a way I like the way nothing is revealed about the Haibane so there's room for imagination. I think that they're just people whose life didn't finish properly, who still need some experience before moving on. The sin-bound Haibane are those who killed themselves. Some are reborn as children, some as adults. It depends on how much they need to pass on. Once they reach a certain point they fly to the sky, they die. The thing(s) inside the wall is/are probably the haibane that didn't manage to "fly" before their time was gone,
Jan 7, 2013 3:17 PM

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And so it ends, it wasn't an all to bad ending but for me it feels unfinished they could have really improved the story with a couple more episodes or so!

As for the series, well it did really started great but the uneven story development and the rather slow pace in story although rather fast pace in each episode made it really unbalanced to watch and god quite boring after a time. Although in general it isn't all to bad they still could have had lots of improvements onto the series and for starters making it a 26 episode anime instead of only 13 as now the story seems so unfinished.

The art was not all to bad but the animations could have been slightly better, sometimes it really bothered me but in general it was not bad at all!

I still had a nice watch though! 6/10
Jan 16, 2013 10:14 PM
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flaxman85 said:
It was a snorefest for me.. which makes me sad because 99% of you think it's the best anime ever..


Sometimes an anime doesn't need constant action, melodrama, and boobs flashing on the screen every 2 seconds to be consider great. The entire tone of the series, the attention to detail in each scene visually, and the heartwarming message is unlike any other anime I have ever seen.

Then again, shows these days are usually always targeted to a specific audience, and a show like haibane renmei, which is basically one of the few shows where the writer can convey all of his feelings into an anime like this, doesn't come too often.

Ultimately it's all about opinion. Although I don't believe in such a thing as the "best anime ever," there's no reason to say you're sad that people liked this show. It's basically telling the people who liked it that their taste is shit because it isn't the same as your taste.
Jan 18, 2013 11:15 AM

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Baconzombie said:
Ultimately it's all about opinion. Although I don't believe in such a thing as the "best anime ever," there's no reason to say you're sad that people liked this show. It's basically telling the people who liked it that their taste is shit because it isn't the same as your taste.

No. The path of prejudice is an endless and unrewarding one, you'd do best to stay off of it. I'm almost 100% certain he's not telling everyone else they have bad taste, but rather, he is saying he's sad because he was unable have the amazing experience everyone else has said they had, and wishes he could see the same things everyone else sees in this anime.


Well, that episode was great. I'd have to agree that it is probably the best one in the series. The only problem I really had with it is that Reki changed her disposition very rapidly over a period of only a few minutes. At first she was depressed, resentful, and hostile towards Rekka. Then she suddenly became repentant, desperate, and friendly to Rekka. It seemed like it all happened too fast, but I enjoyed it regardless.

Ordinarily I'd feel like the ending was a cliffhanger, as many questions are still left unanswered, but somehow I actually felt totally satisfied with how it ended.

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Jan 20, 2013 12:34 PM

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I've just finished rewatching Haibane Renmei, I loved it the first time, and rewatching it I've ended up loving it even more.

This anime really is a gem, comparable to the likes of Mushishi and Kino's Journey, It's not a show you need to race through, each episode is to be savored. The lack of direct answers to the show does not bring the anime down, instead it's one of the things I liked so much. You know its a good show when you aren't fed all of the information. Being able to think and come up answers with yourself is one of the things which is so rewarding.

Another thing I have to mention is the soundtrack, I have to say that this anime has one of the best soundtracks I've ever heard, if not the best. It's so memorable and fits the show perfectly, I'll definitely never forget it.

It might not be for everyone, but I really feel this anime is special, I have no doubt that I'll be rewatching this yet again in the future.
Mar 12, 2013 7:52 PM

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Loved the ending
Mar 17, 2013 6:36 PM

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I want more! :D
Apr 2, 2013 4:19 PM

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Two words: Perfect pacing
Apr 24, 2013 8:24 AM

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Oh god, how much I hate happy endings.
May 7, 2013 5:31 PM
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I'm pretty sure I just cried for ~23 minutes straight. Beautiful ending, though we're not explicitly given any answers about the whole Haibane ordeal, the wall, the Day of Flight, etc. Although I think most of the people's speculations regarding Christian/religious symbolism is more than plausible, I heard that the creator didn't actually intend for it to be that way? Not sure. But I do know that he said he was leaving it up to the audience to interpret the anime.

Reki seriously went through a lot, I cried for her--for her past, her dream, and her internal conflicts...I'm glad she was able to have her Day of Flight. Although the themes of the anime was apparent in the later episodes, it was almost nonexistent in the beginning episodes. As much as I loved the anime, I don't think it's perfect. The first few episodes, although nice and slice-of-life like, they barely contributed to the rest of the story, as it was just Rakka tagging along with the seniors of Old Home. It did well in world building, but it wasn't completely necessary to spend 2-3 (maybe 4?) episodes on it. I also was a annoyed at Rakka most of the time (but that's my personal bias). Aside from those points and maybe a few other, I enjoyed this anime (mostly the later half). It is definitely though-provoking, and it's probably one of those anime that you have to keep thinking a lot about yet may still never truly understand it. Although the beauty of this anime is that nothing is really answered at the end and everything is left to the viewer's interpretation, I kind of wish that ABe Yoshitoshi gave us some hints though :D
May 29, 2013 6:07 AM

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This still remains my favorite anime to this day.
I watched in the first time in 2005, then again in 2009, and another time this past week.
I can't believe how much I relate to it and fall in love with it even more.
It really speaks to people who have particularly gone through certain scenarios.

Jun 4, 2013 11:41 PM
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I have those times when I finish watching something I couldn't comprehend, but I knew it was something amazingly special. This is one of those times.
Jun 15, 2013 3:04 PM

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I love the last few episodes of this series a lot. At first I didn't like it during the first half, but the show gradually got more interesting with each episode.

I don't really want to know about the walls or the world outside because I don't think that's the point of the the show. The only thing I want to know is what the Haibane actually are. I'm guessing they're people that died without content and they were allowed to have a short second chance or maybe that story that Reki told Rakka was actually true.
Jun 18, 2013 9:12 AM
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Shows like this really gets you thinking.

Abe-sensei really did leave us a lot of unanswered questions and to make our own interpretations. That's really enjoyable in its own right but I can't help to think what was his idea behind this entire show.
Jun 27, 2013 12:38 AM

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I really liked the anime. I also think I should have watched it a loooong time ago. Would've helped me a lot with my struggles. Oh well.
Watching it now, when I am aware of what it tries to tell, certainly I can't be THAT impressed. But that's only me. Doesn't change the fact that I can see through its potential and definitely recommend it to a few lost souls ;)

I'm glad I watched it, only I wish I had watched it sooner, when my wings had black spots, too. :)
Sep 10, 2013 1:14 PM
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I'm glad I didn't drop this after what felt like a very slow beginning. A very heartfelt and spiritually uplifting story. I also enjoyed the fact that we are left to do our own interpretations.
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Sep 22, 2013 12:45 AM

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Just finished re-watching this. A couple of years have passed but this series still had the same impact on me as when I first watched it: I found myself staring at the ceiling. It left me with a heavy feeling but at the same time I felt like something else was lifted from my shoulders. I guess it means I'm still far off from my Day of Flight, for better or worse.
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Oct 9, 2013 7:15 AM

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10 years ago probably a good anime, hence the high rating.
But nowadays? Meh, just meh.
Couldn't care less for Reki.
While this anime had an interesting world to offer it almost never goes into detail, only when it's convenient.
Instead it focuses on boring characters with some kind of Slice of Life approach until the last 2-3 eps where suddenly Rekis cliched self-made problem slips into the spotlight. *yawn*
Nov 10, 2013 8:04 AM

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The idea behind the anime is strikingly awesome, it tackles with real life issue in a surreal way that really touch me. But, there are too many things about this world that left unanswered, for instance what is beyond the wall, the toga, what is inside the wall, why do they need the halo, is the wing just a sign to separate them from the other ppl or signify if one is a sin-bound or not, what kind of the "ppl" that live in their world.

The author wants to express his idea through a fantasy kind of way, which is good but he has to handle the setting he made up better. I really appreciate the message implies within this anime, but what really got me going was the journey to look for the answers for those question above, but they are left in the dust. For this matter, it reminds of Angel Beats, but actually Angel Beats did a better job in explaining its setting. However, Angel Beats is not that totally better, but still, I found myself enjoys something with more clarity
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