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Jun 24, 2010 1:30 PM
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Good series, with great atmosphere and some great characters (and some not so great). Overall, very enjoyable and I like how many questions are left up to interpretation... 8/10.
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Jun 30, 2010 8:07 AM
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I thought this anime was quite odd and it didn't really interest me, but once I start something I see it through to know if it get's better or not. Honestly to me though this anime wasn't all that great. There's just a shroud of mystery over EVERYTHING you want to know. I understand keeping some things from the audience to make them think, but keeping nearly every question unanswered doesn't make me think about what the answers could be it just makes the series uninteresting to me.

Honestly though the shroud of mysteriousness that's around this entire series is what managed to pull me in. Yes I didn't enjoy it as much as others told me I would but I do like it enough to give it another try and really try to enjoy it more. Overall this anime wasn't as great of an experience for me as it was for most of its other watchers. I just don't really enjoy animes where nothing really happens except a couple major events and the characters are vaguely interesting.

Anyways I'm sure alot of you disagree, but this is just my thoughts on this anime for now.
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Jul 16, 2010 11:14 PM

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I finally took the time to finish this, this took me 8 months to complete...
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Jul 17, 2010 12:02 AM

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Finally got around to seeing the final 3 episodes last night, my god.
The final two episodes were really really great in my opinion, such a good ending.

I am so glad that it didn't fall short at the ending, brilliant.
Jul 30, 2010 1:01 AM

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Excellent anime. Made you think, and filled with mystery and symbolism. The series really picked up at ep 7, and the ending was brilliant. 9/10.
Aug 14, 2010 1:54 AM

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Liked the ending, the part when the music stopped and Reki's 'save me' was omg epic

Overall great soundtrack and atmosphere, reminded me a little of Aria and Mushishi. Very little attempt to be mainstream and thats what hooked me in. This is an anime that isnt plot driven or even character driven imo (character development wasn't that amazing), I think this is a thematic piece... the entire thing was a brilliant and subtle metaphor. People saying it doesn't explain anything is wrong, it does explain alot in a subtle way, you just need to think for yourself but most of the symbolism is quite obvious.

Would have been a 10/10 but had some of the shoddiest animation even with the 30fps version and unbearably slow pace sometimes, also I didn't care for anyone other than Reki and and maybe Rakka (eg Kuu disappearance was abit meh). So 8-9, closer to 9. Enjoyed it immensely regardless.
Aug 29, 2010 4:38 PM

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Very good!
Such junk...
Sep 9, 2010 3:51 AM

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Raldan said:
I really enjoyed the ending. It turned what I felt was a mediocre show into something pretty good.

I agree. Wow. Sad it's come to an end...Especially since Rakka still has sin-bound wings doesn't she?

EDIT: Forgot she solved her problem. Though I do wonder who the crow was...
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Sep 19, 2010 3:51 AM

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Sep 28, 2010 6:55 AM

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well this was a weird finale...but it wasn't bad :)
that was actually how i consider the whole anime to be...good but not great,they could've made it much better i think

so 8/10 from me

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Nov 2, 2010 4:59 PM

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This is truly a great show, but the last episodes lacked something. What it was, I do not know. But whatever it was, it was the thing that made the rest of the show a masterpiece. And without that thing, the show become worse. So in the end, I do not know if I should rate it 7/10 or 8/10. I probably sound weird. But something lacked, I just know it.
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Nov 2, 2010 5:01 PM
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perfect ending too an awesome show
Nov 20, 2010 7:35 PM

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Great ending. I am glad everything worked out for Reki.
Nov 25, 2010 10:53 AM

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Wow, I am at a loss for words.

It's been a little while since I've seen an anime that was so story/character oriented. And I absolutely love how open ended it was:
I believe the town was an area between life and death. The angels are lost souls that aren't ready to accept their next destination
Rakka - Seemed to me that she was a girl who committed suicide by jumping off of a building or something. The crow in her dream I believe was her mother that had probably died before Rakka. Could have been a leading factor in why Rakka had committed suicide in the first place.
Reki - She probably grew up with parents who didn't want here or something like that which lead to her suicide of jumping in front of a train and born as an angel with sin.
As I've grown to learn, suicide is the most selfish thing a person can ever do so of course, these haibane with sin must learn how to forgive themselves.

All in all, it was one of the most beautiful shows I've ever seen. Glad a /c/omrade was able to show me this.
Dec 13, 2010 7:44 PM
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Miertje86 said:
RazorBeamz said:
Anyone else get the feeling that the Haibane are people who committed suicide?

Yeah, that's my theory too. I think the dream they have refers to how they died (Rakka probably died because she jumped off a building).

So maybe they become Haibane to find peace and then they can go to heaven or something?

I think the Haibane's with dark spots on their wings are the ones who commit suicide. That's why it is so hard for them to ever go beyond the wall. The other Haibane have just died and need to wait to go on
Feb 13, 2011 5:13 PM

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Lovely series. It’s a shame it had to end. I adore the symbolism it used and showed us a different way to see life; the reasons to move on, the solitude, the selfishness of one who doesn’t want to ask for help, in fear of being ‘weak’…

Even if everything isn’t explained, that’s exactly the source of its charm. It’s it better when a show leaves you wonder for a long time, trying to figure out its real meaning? Doesn’t it make it more profound and thought-provoking? I, for one, felt it to be great the way it is. Although, maybe, deep down I would’ve wanted a little more tragic ending.
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Feb 15, 2011 8:58 PM

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8/10. I'm sure something lacked but can't figure out what. And I find the entire series kind of creepy. The ending song gave me creeps all the time.
Feb 21, 2011 3:59 AM

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No wonder this is a high rated show. It's one of a kind anime. I loved it. :)
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Mar 10, 2011 1:15 AM

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This was something else. I'm at a loss of words. I'm just giving the series a 10/10 and that should reveal how I feel about the characters, the setting, the mood, the music and everything about the anime. Definitely going to rewatch someday.
Mar 25, 2011 3:04 AM

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An odd show for show, while decent some stuff that's already mentioned is weird too such as the Haibanes wearing used clothes and such. Then again someone thought of purgatory so I guess the anime does make some sense. But then AGAIN, I also didn't like how they had to mixed with the humans.

The mystery outside the walls/togas aren't explain much but I believe the show could do better without even having these two mystery.

The ending was alright. I really think they should make it clear that Reki had committed suicide or something though, that would have made me definitely sympathize with her. Reki reminded me of someone also from anime but can't really remember at the moment.

Oh well, good concept, almost great execution. 8.5/10...really wish I could give decimals, I'm gonna round it down as a 9 is too high on my scale. Not a bad show overall.
Mar 27, 2011 2:25 PM

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It was a very odd ride, it wasn't too short, but not too long either. You say that the very point of this series could be considered as the relations between the characters and the outstanding music. While both of these statements are true, I'd say that what's even more important is the UNIQUE, and impossible to describe with words, atmosphere. The mystery factor (what exactly is the town, what are renmei, why such a place exists, and so on and so forth) adds a lot to the feeling, but what strikes the most is how you literally feel this anime. It's so vivid, it's almost possible to touch it.
Until now, I haven't watched an anime that would awaken such emotions in me - it shouldn't be even rated, as it's simply something on a whole different level. If I cannot express my feelings about this show in words, how am I supposed to do so by rating it... I'm giving it a 10, but it's not appropriate for this series. It shouldn't be lower, nor should it be higher, it's just... out of the scale. Sorry for not making any sense, but I just can't grasp what exactly I feel right now...

Apr 3, 2011 8:30 AM

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Just finished this. C/P my post.
live2win said:

Haibane Renmei has flaws ? I was so mesmerized with the characters and settings I didn't realize any. Charming, very charming. The osts and opening stole my heart, seriously, they are like beautiful accessories accompanying a breathtaking goddess. It has a brilliant emotional ending and the series is a good take on existentialism. I have difficulty allocating a score to it, so for now, it will be a solid 9. Give a temporary favorite character spot to Reki ;)
May 11, 2011 2:06 AM

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Simply beautiful. The ending was very satisfying. Reki finally could pass on. The ending scene was so cute, they're gonna have twin Haibane! lol

Before I started this, I was expecting one of those pretentious and lolDEEP shows that would be super boring, but it totally surprised me and I ended up watching all of the episodes in one go. Setting was magnificent, perfect OST and memorable characters. I can't believe I let myself go without watching this show for so long.
May 20, 2011 8:09 AM
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Kotori said:
cheap ending, this episode was far from the best, and they didn't explain anything.


No, you just haven't been following the series and take everything at face value.
May 27, 2011 2:08 PM

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My God. That episode...was hands down one of the best ending episodes of an anime I've ever seen. Reki's cry for help after her previous revelations was a perfect moment, and one to look forward to upon the inevitable rewatch :-D

After a real emotional journey through this anime, I'ma give it a 9/10
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Jun 8, 2011 7:17 PM

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The Angel Beats! of the past. Heck this is what Angel Beats! should've been. A 9/10.
Jun 9, 2011 10:13 AM

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I honestly have so many thoughts and theories about this show that I can't put them all into words right now. And that's really the mark of a great series. Part of me wishes that some of my questions could be answered, but this way is best. Wish we could have a second season, but that's unlikely and would probably lessen the impact this season had. I loved the way it started off as a light slice-of-life show and slowly grew to something greater. I didn't enjoy the middle episodes (7 & 8) much due to Rakka though, so I can't give this more than a 9/10.

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Jun 14, 2011 7:08 AM
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StealMate said:
The Angel Beats! of the past.

What? The difference between this show and Angel Shits is that AB is shit and this is one of the best animes ever.
Jun 30, 2011 12:53 AM

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I think the Haibane are people 'reborn' again and are at an inbetween place of heaven and hell. Which most of you have already said to be a sort of limbo/purgatory. Using religious referrences for this; I believe the New Feathers are just as someone else mentioned- still born or aborted children.
For the origins of the Haibane (that I've repeated already from others) I wholly agree with the idea.

My idea to why the Haibane had to receive hand-me-downs and used items was to prevent some sort of earthly tie. You know, like materialism-- that explains why money is never to fall in to their hands- since it can be considered a form of greed or evil. I also think the used items kind of represent the state the Haibane are in, they're at a 'second' chance for redemption.

I think the reason why they're 'reborn' without the the memory of their past lives is to prevent complications for their goal which is to find resolve and forgiveness and join the flight- the other side. Another reason for that is, if you knew of your past life- some people might grieve and stray away from their rebirth- like suggested fail to accomplish their goals.

I think the idea of working is kind of like a way to physically atone for one's sins or misdeeds. Sort of like a community surface and for the sake of representing that second chances can promote change...

The idea that the Wall shouldn't be touched kind of reminds me of the idea of the Fall of Adam and Eve. In a sense, Reki was Eve who was tempted with the idea of what's over the wall- then we have Hyouko who followed Reki. The excommunication of God which in this sense is the punishment that result from disobeying the Toga which can be considered God's messengers.

Sorry for all the religious references- but placed in that way sort of makes sense in terms of symbolism.

Another thing that's been bothering me are the crows. Those birds have a history of being a bad omen or an inevitable sign of death. Was I the only one who thought where ever the birds were it was certain that someone was going to 'go'? In another sense- the birds were kind of the 'grim reapers' and guided the Haibane to their salvation aka The Flight?

I also think that the Toga can be considered 'God's messengers'. They seem to understand the Haibane and now what to go from there. They're the only ones able to come in and out of the wall (heaven to purgatory reference here)- kind of like a guide to the Haibane but not necessarily a 'hand-me-out' guide?

Anyways--- sorry for the crappy and run on sentences- I think that's all I can come up with.
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Jul 4, 2011 9:16 PM

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Pointless... -_-
Aug 2, 2011 12:06 AM
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I thoroughly enjoyed the series.....very emotional ending.....Good for Rekki, hope she and Rakka meet again.
Aug 17, 2011 5:10 AM

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not very clear what rakka and the others really are...
but overall this anime is good...
we rarely to see this kind of anime again these days.. -___-

btw i'd love to see how and when rakka's day of flight.... :)
Sep 23, 2011 11:02 AM
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I can't find any plausible theory as to what the Haibane are... That's because most ideas (for example, people who committed suicide) don't explain why so few of them are 'sinborn'. Also, I don't get why do they is everyone OK with the rules and limitations. I'm not necessarily talking about a rebellion, but I would expect people/haibane (at least the new ones) to question a lot more, and more people to try to leave the town...
I have no ideas about Rakka's job either. What exactly was it about? What was in the river? Were the walls actually 'good' or 'bad'? Were the Haibane being abused or the town and the Renmei were really trying to help, but that was the best they could afford?
Nov 13, 2011 2:03 PM
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I was expecting something better to be honest, I wanted something like Lain or the like, and instead I got a "I am moe moe desu, but I hide it under a avant garde ambientation" and a slice of life with the lamest components ever.

I was almost forced to watch till the end, because I thought there was something meaningful behind it... I think k-on and this show have the same depth.
Nov 27, 2011 2:54 PM
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Hb_ said:
I was expecting something better to be honest, I wanted something like Lain or the like, and instead I got a "I am moe moe desu, but I hide it under a avant garde ambientation" and a slice of life with the lamest components ever.

I was almost forced to watch till the end, because I thought there was something meaningful behind it... I think k-on and this show have the same depth.

i'd say your post and k-on are on the same wavelength in terms of depth, rather
Jan 13, 2012 10:28 PM

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This was a great show. I wish I had finished it sooner now.
Jan 28, 2012 10:02 PM

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Silent_Scream said:
The Angel Beats! of the past.

Well that says it, setting-wise...but haibane renmei is still yet better in regards to its moral value and symbolism, and that was a spanning gap of 8 years(i guess the industry nowadays is really running out of morally creative ideas)...

Actually Jun Maeda, the creator of angel beats(and clannad) himself, was suggested to have been influenced by this surreal but inspiring story.

Overall, alas i have found a hidden gem...after being buried for almost 10 years, why in the world i watched this show only just recently? Pleasing plot progression in a short timeframe, and the soundtrack T__T im strict at scores, and giving 8/10 means this was a good show under the antique shop \m/

Feb 18, 2012 9:11 PM

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Just rewatched this with a buddy of mine.

Absolutely fantastic show, and severely underrated - this is rated lower than Angel Beats for the same reason the new Call of Duties break video game records. That is, people are fucking stupid.
Feb 21, 2012 11:38 PM

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Rakka was alone because she thought nobody wanted her. She needed someone in the form of a bird to tell her she was wanted to break the circle. Reki never asked someone for help because she had learned that the safety of getting support from others betrays you when they disappear. She needed to be driven to a corner until she could trust Rakka's support to break the circle. A bit too shallow and not really thought-provoking, it's just a story about people who act irrationally because of their uncertainities and how people need one another when they get lost.

The scenes between Rakka and Reki were nice, and it was particularly touching how Reki's true nature became someone who supports the weak, the thing she felt she felt she was stolen from unfairly both in her previous life and life as Haibane (Kuramori). Interesting to see how selfish Rakka was in the end, not allowing Reki to have any selfish thoughts. That's much better than seeing her endlessly support others with unexplained cheerfulness.

Being shallow and generic aside, this was pretty great overall. 4/5, 8/10
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Mar 19, 2012 4:15 AM
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Such a beautiful conclusion. 7/10, definitely.
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Apr 19, 2012 12:36 PM
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wow, this turned out to be more serious as I thought it would be. I watched it with German dub. First it felt lackluster but overall the actors made a good job. I will still have to rewatch the Japanese with sub.
I think too the town is purgatory...only this is a kind, friendly purgatory :D The people of the town are the actual angels who inhabit it and the Haibanen are dead people who get a chance to finish the personal issues with themselves before they leave forever.
Why are all the Haibanen so jung ? why are there more girls? I think too that maybe Rikki committed suicide but I'm unsure about the others. What about the little kids then? ITs unlikely that so many 5-6 year old kill themselves. The limbo thing does not work out too, because then there would be thousand times more kids there..I don't really know.
Unfortunately I knew a lot of people who committed suicide I wish for a place like that to exist so that they can find peace T_T
May 1, 2012 12:44 AM

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Wow. This show was incredible. I can see how the pacing and subject matter might not be everyone's speed (or might be over a few people's heads, as well) but this is one of the best anime I've ever seen and one of the best ways I've seen an old question of life and death 'answered.'
May 16, 2012 9:10 AM

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we;; that was by far the best episode, by a million miles, although there was a few questions that didn't get answered most were, and I was satisfied with that, also so so glad Reki got her happy ending, the scene with the train was just breathtaking I don't think I breathed for at least a minute xD i personally believe at the end of the series, that maybe it was something to do with suicide, or along those lines, but its kinda like they were 'angels in training' when they found themselves, forgave there sins..... they were accepted into heaven maybe? That's what i got anyway, nonetheless a nice short but sweet series, glad I picked this one up!
Jul 24, 2012 12:11 AM

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It was a snorefest for me.. which makes me sad because 99% of you think it's the best anime ever..

Sep 14, 2012 9:03 PM

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By far the best episode in the series. Great concept and a touching end.
Sep 22, 2012 8:08 AM

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I will give this show all the credit in the world for originality. The story itself was a little lackluster for me unfortunately. I'm glad the way everything turned out and the the story's world concepts are intriguing but meh.

Oct 4, 2012 2:24 PM

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seems like this place is purgatory.
Oct 7, 2012 11:16 PM

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This is truly an a great unknown series. A great, great last episode. I figured this series would be very open to interpretation, and it was. I definitely was surprised by the last episode, but in a good. The last few episodes completely switched the focus from Rakka to Reki. It was really Reki's story to salvation all along. And it was great to see Rakka going to take over Reki's role at the very end. This was such a great series, and i'm very glad I own, so I force it upon others so they can experience it too. 9/10, truly a great series (would give 10/10, but the pacing was just a little too slow for me at first, and the first few episodes were not at all what I was expecting)

It's much better than Lain, i'll say that much.
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Oct 30, 2012 4:34 PM
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kadian1364 said:
Every couple of years, I rewatch some favorite anime of mine, and Haibane Renmei is one of those titles I always look forward to seeing again.

Are they angels, or are they human? What do their dreams mean? Is this Heaven? Hell? Purgatory? What are their sins? Where do they go after when they leave? I love these kinds of stories, with hidden meanings, layers of interpretation to unravel, endings whose ultimate significance is up to its audience.

I also love that it never lost sight of its characters and setting, superbly building a world that seems familiar yet mysterious, and features daily interactions and the simple joys of living. Unlike Eva, which sometimes drove its psychoanalytical bent to extremes and near utter incomprehensibility, Haibane Renmei kept the story grounded, personal and relatable.

Years after I first saw it, I come back and still find new things about it to discover. It really is a work of art; you take away from it as much or as little as you put into it.

I love the idea of not knowing exactly what happened. Usually when shows do this they tend to piss me off (Elfen Lied, for one). But this show left you content with everything it presented and did a perfect job of its length.

It was such a simple lesson but it was done in a really beautiful way. I hope I get to see more shows like this in my lifetime. This was something special.
Dec 17, 2012 5:11 PM

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pleasant watch although I did feel a bit bored at times with the early slice of life liking feeling. Still, it was very refreshing.
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