| I see a lot of people talk about how anime is so inferior to western media because it doesn’t ascribe to western storytelling standards and frankly I think that’s a little racist in ways. I also think saying that anime is superior to western media, especially live action, is stupid. As someone who consumes both, To me anime and western media are just their own separate mediums, produced in different countries and with their own tropes. I don’t think there will ever be an anime equivalent of breaking bad or the sopranos because Japanese writers have their own way of writing as opposed to western writers. Idk, it just makes me cringe whenever I hear someone claim that anime sucks because there’s none that’s as good as HBO prestige television, or vice versa. |
RunasiusJun 21, 12:47 AM
| Definitely. I think those two things should stay separated. |
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| When people say "Western media", they talk about American media Other Western countries tell stories differently than Americans do |
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In recent years, there has definitely been a noticeable decline in the quality of Western media, both in terms of storytelling and originality, so i'd say anime is superior by far in that aspect at least |
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In recent years, there has definitely been a noticeable decline in the quality of Western media, both in terms of storytelling and originality, so i'd say anime is superior by far in that aspect at least
| @nishant0 I disagree, there’s still a large number of amazing western productions such as: Mickey 17, Sinners, 28 years later, Expedition 33, and Andor. |
| They should stay separate. The Christians should stop watching anime and stop trying to co-opt. The diversity crowd needs to fuck off too. |
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@nishant0
I disagree, there’s still a large number of amazing western productions such as: Mickey 17, Sinners, 28 years later, Expedition 33, and Andor.
I disagree, there’s still a large number of amazing western productions such as: Mickey 17, Sinners, 28 years later, Expedition 33, and Andor.
| @Runasius Well, games are a different matter. I’m mainly talking about TV shows and movies. Other than a few notable ones, there’s hardly anything new. This year alone, the only truly amazing show I’ve seen is Severance |
| It's annoying because it often ends up in silly culture wars. |
| I havent seen many people calling anime inferior to western media. Its usually the other way round. |
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| It's not fun at all to see people having comparison hate wars. |
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| Well, I think anime is better than Western media. I don't know why this is the case. |
| Here is my Pixiv account of my hentai drawings..... https://www.pixiv.net/en/users/104739065 |
| I don't think it's fair to call any of the two inferior because they both have very different approach to storytelling,character development,production process etc It's like mixing apples and oranges I prefer anime when it comes to storytelling but western media has its advantages for sure |
Runasius said: I see a lot of people talk about how anime is so inferior to western media because it doesn’t ascribe to western storytelling standards and frankly I think that’s a little racist in ways. I also think saying that anime is superior to western media, especially live action, is stupid. As someone who consumes both, To me anime and western media are just their own separate mediums, produced in different countries and with their own tropes. I don’t think there will ever be an anime equivalent of breaking bad or the sopranos because Japanese writers have their own way of writing as opposed to western writers. Idk, it just makes me cringe whenever I hear someone claim that anime sucks because there’s none that’s as good as HBO prestige television, or vice versa So... 99% of your previous threads where you claim western media is superior to anime are cringe is what you're saying Anyways, benefit of the doubt that those threads were just troll threads For once i agree with you, claiming one is superior to the other is stupid Both anime and western media have their great shows and their utter shit However, i don't think they're impossible to compare or to even find similarities in storytelling, be it each with the influences of the places they're made |
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| Sorry but I don't even watch television. I know television has zero education value. Television is nothing more than propaganda for mass consumerism. |
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| I think that things should be judged on their own merits, regardless of where they're from. |
| I agree with you on this claiming one is superior to the other is very stupid and usually is a sign of a lack of understanding in one or even both. I especially hate the term 'western media'. There are differences between media from different 'western' countries but all of this nuance is lost once a person summarizes all of it under the label 'western media'. Or they actualy just refer to american media but that is just the good old american defaultism. |
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| Honestly, we are in a website that always compares oranges to apples. I don't see why people can't compare whatever they want. It is by contrast that we can see interesting points. And that is a statement on how there is variety. What makes you cringe is the superficial critic hidden there? Does recognizing strong points or similar points inside different anime make you cringe too? Say I elaborated about what are the differences? It is rare for Japanese anime to write characters lying, not so much to themselves, so when Sopranos has a big long scene of Tony lying to himself in his psy sessions, people praise its dialogue. At same time, that is a scene heavy on dialogue without nothing visually interesting, so you focus on his expressions. But Gintama does something similar in the Roof scenes, but it heavily uses the voice artists for that. But it has lots of other parts where characters are lying to themselves and they are visually interesting ... Now, is it worth the time reading that or watching both? Watching both is a better use of everyone's time. As you say, there is a lot of prejudice and assumptions being made when people say that. I do think the comparisons always come from people who don't consume one or other enough to challenge their own ideas. I am rreally against thinking HBO series are western media peak, even if I like very few HBO series and themes. It is really unfair to Eastern Market if you don't add their live-action and written media too in the fray. Old Boy is a manga that was adapted into a prime Korean movie and a terrible american movie. |
| Western media is dead for me basically while modern anime despite being 'too safe' nowadays and pretty repetitive like never before still is better by default. Because western media is nothing but propaganda nowadays, some primitive way to normalize the most ugly things for simpletons. Each time I'll prefer even the most naive anime which is predictable in terms of morality and social demands instead of another pretensions western brainwash which tried hard to rewrite history, morality, norms, and adequacy. |
| A part of me thinks that more people should be watching both and talking about them side-by-side, but another part of me thinks that's simply not possible in today's internet without things spiraling out of control... |
| Anime and western media are very different things, it doesn't make sense to compare them. |
| Yes, I don't like to compare between them 🙄Anime is better for me, western media are suck 🙄🙄 you feel so stupit while you watching it 😅😅 |
| " At least we stare at the same sky"  |
| I mean I don't compare unlike things together. Comparing Yuru Camp to Star Wars is incredibly dumb for instance, comparing it to Gundam though? That is a fair comparison. I compare stories of similar genres/target demographics together, and I don't see why that is unfair, when they cover similar themes or likely to have similar archetypes or plot points. I think people really overstate the cultural differences in modern pop culture, between nations. Anime has been very influenced by the West, and does actually hit on many tropes found in the same genres of Western fiction. The reason anime doesn't do stuff like the Sopranos or Breaking Bad, has more to do with the target audience of most anime. It's very YA. There are other cultural factors like how salacious drugs are in Japan (there have been manga I have seen covering it though) however, it's not like anime/manga hasn't touched on gang/yakuza culture at all in the medium. Again it's the target demographic that is the issue. I doubt your average teen anime fan or otaku wants to watch an anime about largely middle age Yakuza dudes, and their daily lives, or at the very least, doing that premise seriously (I could see a comedy about it like the Yakuza house husband manga). |
BilboBaggins365Jun 21, 11:59 AM
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I mean I don't compare unlike things together. Comparing Yuru Camp to Star Wars is incredibly dumb for instance, comparing it to Gundam though? That is a fair comparison. I compare stories of similar genres/target demographics together, and I don't see why that is unfair, when they cover similar themes or likely to have similar archetypes or plot points.
I think people really overstate the cultural differences in modern pop culture, between nations. Anime has been very influenced by the West, and does actually hit on many tropes found in the same genres of Western fiction.
The reason anime doesn't do stuff like the Sopranos or Breaking Bad, has more to do with the target audience of most anime. It's very YA. There are other cultural factors like how salacious drugs are in Japan (there have been manga I have seen covering it though) however, it's not like anime/manga hasn't touched on gang/yakuza culture at all in the medium. Again it's the target demographic that is the issue. I doubt your average teen anime fan or otaku wants to watch an anime about largely middle age Yakuza dudes, and their daily lives, or at the very least, doing that premise seriously (I could see a comedy about it like the Yakuza house husband manga).
I think people really overstate the cultural differences in modern pop culture, between nations. Anime has been very influenced by the West, and does actually hit on many tropes found in the same genres of Western fiction.
The reason anime doesn't do stuff like the Sopranos or Breaking Bad, has more to do with the target audience of most anime. It's very YA. There are other cultural factors like how salacious drugs are in Japan (there have been manga I have seen covering it though) however, it's not like anime/manga hasn't touched on gang/yakuza culture at all in the medium. Again it's the target demographic that is the issue. I doubt your average teen anime fan or otaku wants to watch an anime about largely middle age Yakuza dudes, and their daily lives, or at the very least, doing that premise seriously (I could see a comedy about it like the Yakuza house husband manga).
| @BilboBaggins365 I’ve always found it strange that we’ve gotten some serious anime focusing on the mafia (91 days, baccano), but none about the yakuza. |
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@BilboBaggins365
I’ve always found it strange that we’ve gotten some serious anime focusing on the mafia (91 days, baccano), but none about the yakuza.
I’ve always found it strange that we’ve gotten some serious anime focusing on the mafia (91 days, baccano), but none about the yakuza.
| @Runasius We got Shouwa Genroku Rakugo Shinjuu and Durarara! . Baccano is comedy. |
| comparing anime to Western media is basically the Olympics of internet discourse. People love dissecting everything from pacing to philosophy like they’re defending a doctoral thesis titled “Goku vs. Superman: |
| people compare frieren to sinners. that's enough to tell you how goofy some anime fans can be. |
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@BilboBaggins365 You are very wrong. Japan Doesn't Just Publish Anime for YA Audiences, But also to those aimed at Middle aged or Elderly Audience (Still Exist but are Extremly Rare in Today.)
| @stefanoiulli1999 I am wrong about what? Yes I am aware, they have other demographics...I never said they publish YA exclusively. I said that is the main focus, which undercuts what kinds of shows are going to be made. If you compare the main target demo of anime, compared to HBO live action, it's not the same, which impacts the kinds of shows being made. |
Runasius said: I see a lot of people talk about how anime is so inferior to western media because it doesn’t ascribe to western storytelling standards and frankly I think that’s a little racist in ways. Quote 3 .......................................... |
| In my bubble usually western vs eastern media is shown as ugly checkbox vs hot waifu. Same with comic vs manga being political propaganda vs male fantasy. |
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| Depends on the context and how they are being compared imo |
| western media mostly copies anime so yeah nah |
| If you rated Jujutsu Kaisen a 10/10, then your opinion is not valid. AOT>FMAB |
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In recent years, there has definitely been a noticeable decline in the quality of Western media, both in terms of storytelling and originality, so i'd say anime is superior by far in that aspect at least
| @nishant0 The issue is less about creatives making "bad art", and more about the corporate commodification of the arts leading to studios being hesitant to allow new original projects not attached to a pre-existing successful property. The reason we see less original films and shows is because the studios are completely unwilling to take risks because they are only thinking about the investors and how to maintain constant unsustainable growth rather than allowing the artists to make something that speaks for itself. We can even see it in marketing too since modern movie marketing is less about the cast and creatives who work on a project and more about the Intellectual property that is being milked for profit. People love to blame this "decline" on all sorts of dumb things (usually just devolving into racism, sexism, homophobia), but the real crux of the issue is the late-stage capitalist hell Hollywood is stuck in with no easy way out. Of course quality is going to decline when execs are actively not allowing new ideas to flourish and actively overworking artists to the bone to reach some arbitrary deadline to increase quarterly profits, but the execs literally do not care as long as they are making bank. |
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@nishant0
The issue is less about creatives making "bad art", and more about the corporate commodification of the arts leading to studios being hesitant to allow new original projects not attached to a pre-existing successful property. The reason we see less original films and shows is because the studios are completely unwilling to take risks because they are only thinking about the investors and how to maintain constant unsustainable growth rather than allowing the artists to make something that speaks for itself. We can even see it in marketing too since modern movie marketing is less about the cast and creatives who work on a project and more about the Intellectual property that is being milked for profit. People love to blame this "decline" on all sorts of dumb things (usually just devolving into racism, sexism, homophobia), but the real crux of the issue is the late-stage capitalist hell Hollywood is stuck in with no easy way out. Of course quality is going to decline when execs are actively not allowing new ideas to flourish and actively overworking artists to the bone to reach some arbitrary deadline to increase quarterly profits, but the execs literally do not care as long as they are making bank.
The issue is less about creatives making "bad art", and more about the corporate commodification of the arts leading to studios being hesitant to allow new original projects not attached to a pre-existing successful property. The reason we see less original films and shows is because the studios are completely unwilling to take risks because they are only thinking about the investors and how to maintain constant unsustainable growth rather than allowing the artists to make something that speaks for itself. We can even see it in marketing too since modern movie marketing is less about the cast and creatives who work on a project and more about the Intellectual property that is being milked for profit. People love to blame this "decline" on all sorts of dumb things (usually just devolving into racism, sexism, homophobia), but the real crux of the issue is the late-stage capitalist hell Hollywood is stuck in with no easy way out. Of course quality is going to decline when execs are actively not allowing new ideas to flourish and actively overworking artists to the bone to reach some arbitrary deadline to increase quarterly profits, but the execs literally do not care as long as they are making bank.
| @LSSJ_Gaming yeah, i mean there is reason why writers strike happened, and a lot of upcoming movies and TV shows got affected because of it or put on indefinite hold. |
| Western media is usually bad. Anime is the only media worth watching IMO. |
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Runasius said:
I see a lot of people talk about how anime is so inferior to western media because it doesn’t ascribe to western storytelling standards and frankly I think that’s a little racist in ways.
I see a lot of people talk about how anime is so inferior to western media because it doesn’t ascribe to western storytelling standards and frankly I think that’s a little racist in ways.
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@BilboBaggins365
I’ve always found it strange that we’ve gotten some serious anime focusing on the mafia (91 days, baccano), but none about the yakuza.
I’ve always found it strange that we’ve gotten some serious anime focusing on the mafia (91 days, baccano), but none about the yakuza.
| @Runasius It's taboo to talk about Yakuza and stuff like drugs or Burakumin in explicit and serious way in Japan, there is nothing strange about it. Manga is more accesible medium in dealing with that kind of stuff. |
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@BilboBaggins365
I’ve always found it strange that we’ve gotten some serious anime focusing on the mafia (91 days, baccano), but none about the yakuza.
I’ve always found it strange that we’ve gotten some serious anime focusing on the mafia (91 days, baccano), but none about the yakuza.
| @Runasius https://myanimelist.net/anime/56964/Yakuza_Fiance |
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| @Zarutaku This is romance anime though not some serious portrayal of Yakuza. There are plenty of anime comedies with Yakuza as well. |
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@Zarutaku
This is romance anime though not some serious portrayal of Yakuza. There are plenty of anime comedies with Yakuza as well.
This is romance anime though not some serious portrayal of Yakuza. There are plenty of anime comedies with Yakuza as well.
| @JoeChip I don't know if it's an accurate portrayal, but it wasn't just some romance, there was serious graphical violence and even torture, I'm surprised it's rated PG-13 |
| I don't see an issue with comparing animation, but when you have people comparing anime to live action movies and shows, that makes no sense. You might as well be comparing a car to an airplane. Both are modes of transportation, but they're on completely different levels in terms of how they're made and how they work. Same with animation and live action. Though that line is kinda blurred with CGI, but that's beside the point. |
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@BilboBaggins365 It's not the same. But when you dig deeper You will see that they are a Plethora of Anime Similiar to a Live-Action HBO Series (in both Writing, or Mood.) One should never limit oneself to the common thought that anime only follow an upright path instead of a bilateral one on what What do they want to tell Of course Western shows are different from Eastern ones But this does not affect the narrative content whether the Western one is better or Eastern One. Because i love Both.
stefanoiulli1999 said: ...Did you look at my MAL? I don't see how I could be accused of not digging deeper.But when you dig deeper You will see that they are a Plethora of Anime Similiar to a Live-Action HBO Series (in both Writing, or Mood.) stefanoiulli1999 said: What are you talking about lol? Again, you look at the average adaption coming out, seasonally, what do you see? It's largely YA works, the fact you can get a work that hits in the upper age demographic, doesn't change what I largely said? I never said anime only does this or anime only does that, I said it primarily targets teens and kids, primarily doesn't mean only...I am aware anime does make shows targeted to older audiences where you could show them to HBO audiences. I have watched quite a few of them lol. They are not the norm, and we shouldn't pretend they ever were.One should never limit oneself to the common thought that anime only follow an upright path instead of a bilateral one on what What do they want to tell Of course Western shows are different from Eastern ones But this does not affect the narrative content whether the Western one is better or Eastern One. Because i love Both. Also again, nah it's overstated how much difference there is in the form of writing. It really has to do with the fact anime is aimed at a younger audience on the aggregate. stefanoiulli1999 said: Well I didn't make a position on this to begin with. IF you want me to, I think anime does some stuff very well and other stuff very poorly. It's really good for YA storytelling, which is good cause that is where it focuses on. Certain genres, like Western fantasy it's pretty bad at writing others like sci fi it's pretty good on average. Yeah I can compare this to Western works, cause again they aren't that different in what they are trying to go for, in these respective genres.But this does not affect the narrative content whether the Western one is better or Eastern One. Because i love Both. It's very easy to compare actually. Anime does some shit really bad, and when I get annoyed by that, I take a break and go to other mediums to wash my pallet a bit, and then when i get bored/annoyed over there I come back to anime. peodsgns said: It's mostly the inverse actually. Most of the shit the "West" is copying now, comes from the USA in some form. Mecha, originally inspired by a variety of Western media such as Superman, Starship Troopers etc, the big eye aesthetic comes from Disney and Fleischer animation, the anime "fantasy genre" is just ripping off DnD, which ripped off Tolkien, who ripped off Germanic, Norse and Anglo Saxon myths, a lot of sci fi has been influenced by Western works like Blade Runner. When you consider how much Japan has been influenced by the West in modern day things we associated with anime, like sailor suits again...come from the UK. Otaku culture embraced things like Lolita, which is just European rococo fashion with a Japanese twist. You can't really talk about modern culture without talking about how the West influenced it due to imperialism and soft/hard power.western media mostly copies anime so yeah nah |
BilboBaggins365Jun 22, 11:17 AM
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@thewiru
Do these count?
https://www.reddit.com/r/TrueFilm/comments/1l87dlj/what_makes_anime_feel_so_much_worse_than_western/
https://www.reddit.com/r/anime/comments/2v31if/why_is_anime_such_a_childish_and_inferior_medium/
https://www.reddit.com/r/changemyview/comments/1gmv8d/i_think_japanese_anime_is_an_inferior_artform/
Do these count?
https://www.reddit.com/r/TrueFilm/comments/1l87dlj/what_makes_anime_feel_so_much_worse_than_western/
https://www.reddit.com/r/anime/comments/2v31if/why_is_anime_such_a_childish_and_inferior_medium/
https://www.reddit.com/r/changemyview/comments/1gmv8d/i_think_japanese_anime_is_an_inferior_artform/
| @Runasius Yeah, I'll read them, then I'll respond later. |
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