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@BilboBaggins365 it's pretty clear from my replies that i don't accept gay people, as for bigotry which is pretty vague i would say anyone who thinks that hetrosexuality shouldn't be the norm is a bigot to me, anyways i think you should just accept that there will always be people that disagree with your position if that makes them bigots then i guess thats a you problem
| @sniperhunter912 I'll help you out lil' buddy. "Obstinate or unreasonable attachment to a belief, opinion, or faction, in particular prejudice against a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular group." Hope that helps you understand, bigot. |
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Reply to sniperhunter912
@LuxuriousHeart if no one cares then why swap their race in the first place
| @sniperhunter912 Because they can. Next question. |
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@sniperhunter912
That's it's, the relativistic fallacy, I am talking about. Never fall for it. If nobody cares about fictional characters, why are there so many shiptards and waifuists in the first place, then?
People hate subvertion for the sake of the political correctness, and I give them right, no matter if they are my ideological enemies or not.
That's it's, the relativistic fallacy, I am talking about. Never fall for it. If nobody cares about fictional characters, why are there so many shiptards and waifuists in the first place, then?
People hate subvertion for the sake of the political correctness, and I give them right, no matter if they are my ideological enemies or not.
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Reply to HectorBlaze
@LuxuriousHeart Anime and manga are Japanese, and thus reflect their culture and environment, not "ours." There's a reason their form of art is the way it is. Forcing/pushing for a sudden change is not going to do them any good.
| @HectorBlaze So Japanese people aren't allowed to put queer people, dark skinned people, and female protagonists in their anime? |
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@LuxuriousHeart Oh boy then I have a recommendation for you. Try "The last of us". It's quite a recent popular example.
| @FZREMAKE I don't care to watch that show. I am only interested in watching shows that seem interesting, and I pick them to watch. You should probably do the same. |
Reply to LuxuriousHeart
@sorcery what TF are you talking about?
| @LuxuriousHeart If you can't understand how relativistic mindset in general leads gradually to the erosion of the canonicity of a fictional work, I can do nothing for you. Any bullshit headcanon may as well trump any pro author's vision, by your logic. Because who cares, it's all relative, derp herp. But then again, maybe you understand sniper's point and mine and you are just acting dumber than you really are, right now. |
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@LuxuriousHeart
If you can't understand how relativistic mindset in general leads gradually to the erosion of the canonicity of a fictional work, I can do nothing for you. Any bullshit headcanon may as well trump any pro author's vision, by your logic. Because who cares, it's all relative, derp herp. But then again, maybe you understand sniper's point and mine and you are just acting dumber than you really are, right now.
If you can't understand how relativistic mindset in general leads gradually to the erosion of the canonicity of a fictional work, I can do nothing for you. Any bullshit headcanon may as well trump any pro author's vision, by your logic. Because who cares, it's all relative, derp herp. But then again, maybe you understand sniper's point and mine and you are just acting dumber than you really are, right now.
sorcery said: What that he is a bigot complaining about stuff that has been if anything ingrained into this medium? His latest posts are indicative, if you are going to cite him do you agree with what he just said? maybe you understand sniper's point and mine I am supportive of authors to do what they wish. Of course money/popularity etc all of that will impact creation. I mean as a Tokien fan I think LOTR should be depicted as the Anglo Saxon fantasy it was.....that doesn't mean black fans can't want black characters in other Western fantasy. That doesn't mean other works can't be inclusive, which again, nothing these fans want, is at all opposed to anime historically. |
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Reply to ToumaTachibana
Gen Z male fans are more right-wing or anti-left and we're the majority in the Anime fandom so I have no idea of what you're talking about.
| @ToumaTachibana your math skills do not match your ego. Calculate the integral under the curve of the x=birth year vs. y=count anime fans born that year. The Z=(integral over the interval 1997 to 2012) is Gen Z's share. The B=(sum of the integrals above the interval 1925 to 1996, and above the interval 2013 to 2025). I will eat my straw hat if Z > B. B for Boomer wins. |
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Ain't no way you clown are still yapping about meme data
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@LuxuriousHeart
If you can't understand how relativistic mindset in general leads gradually to the erosion of the canonicity of a fictional work, I can do nothing for you. Any bullshit headcanon may as well trump any pro author's vision, by your logic. Because who cares, it's all relative, derp herp. But then again, maybe you understand sniper's point and mine and you are just acting dumber than you really are, right now.
If you can't understand how relativistic mindset in general leads gradually to the erosion of the canonicity of a fictional work, I can do nothing for you. Any bullshit headcanon may as well trump any pro author's vision, by your logic. Because who cares, it's all relative, derp herp. But then again, maybe you understand sniper's point and mine and you are just acting dumber than you really are, right now.
| @sorcery This is very ironic, since y'all are the same group that cries when people want to make dark skinned, specifically black, characters. Artistic vision is only okay when the vision is full of pale skinned people with a strong guy. If it has a female protagonist, she must be attractive ir that's wrong. |
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sorcery said:
maybe you understand sniper's point and mine
What that he is a bigot complaining about stuff that has been if anything ingrained into this medium? His latest posts are indicative, if you are going to cite him do you agree with what he just said? maybe you understand sniper's point and mine
I am supportive of authors to do what they wish. Of course money/popularity etc all of that will impact creation.
I mean as a Tokien fan I think LOTR should be depicted as the Anglo Saxon fantasy it was.....that doesn't mean black fans can't want black characters in other Western fantasy. That doesn't mean other works can't be inclusive, which again, nothing these fans want, is at all opposed to anime historically.
| @BilboBaggins365 I am simply agreeing him, about the point that ham fisting race swap characters for the sake of pandering to a bunch of holier-than-thou extreme left bigots is the lowest low a canon can stoop to. Would you personally like Aragorn to become a caricature of Samuel L. Jackson's character in Pulp Fiction? For instance, if you want black characters in LotR, then implement them with valuable worldbuilding concern in mind, like making them into dark elves. Then, they can become an overt allegory for the afro people, with both their qualities and shortcomings. Have some of them being benevolent and respectable while others are the scoundrels dark elves are generally known as. |
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ComeInReiAsuka said:
but then you guys want to change anime as well.
When has anime not changed? but then you guys want to change anime as well.
ComeInReiAsuka said:
Just accept anime as is.
Kay bring my sci fi and mecha anime back....I want those genres to be as dominant as they were back in the day. That is what anime used to be is it not? It's not anymore. Just accept anime as is.
Anime is going to change, and I nor you have much say in that, as tiny specks in the industry, beyond the tiny impact we can make in what we choose to support. The people you are getting upset at, don't have much power individually either. What does is what the majority of audiences internationally (which again the West isn't the only international market as a reminder, it's not even the biggest one) want. It's what the majority of Japanese audiences sure also want. These preferences aren't stagnant though and may change.
| @BilboBaggins365 so do I. But the change has to be -natural-. Look at my top 10. Notice all the mecha? But westerners sensibilities should not come first. Utena was a series with diversity and queen characters. It's came naturally and not because of westerners throwing riots. |
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Ain't no way you clown are still yapping about meme data
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Reply to LuxuriousHeart
@sorcery This is very ironic, since y'all are the same group that cries when people want to make dark skinned, specifically black, characters. Artistic vision is only okay when the vision is full of pale skinned people with a strong guy. If it has a female protagonist, she must be attractive ir that's wrong.
| @LuxuriousHeart Seems like people never read carefully my posts, but I am used to it... I guess I'll parrot my own point as about why I don't like forced DEI: it just doesn't yield good results, because artists create content about things they personally take to heart and have first hand experience about. Japanese artists know jackshit about your melaninated community, who they are, what is their heritage, what are their subtle quirks, their strength, their struggle. So, why should they give a rat's tail? Assign them to weave quota into their work and they will see it as a difficult chore. You know what happens when you force a creator into doing this? They resort to stereotypes that you may perceive as tactless. Not because they're malicious, but because you are asking them to do something completely out of their depth. Stereotyping is the last resort call for a writer. And this is right for everyone, including western writers. Now that you are talking about it, where is my fucking Tamil representation? Tamil are comprised of more than 1% of the population of Earth! Yeah, how about my anime around Sri Lanka, now? See, we can play this little game with all the different subsets of humanity. |
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@LuxuriousHeart
Seems like people never read carefully my posts, but I am used to it...
I guess I'll parrot my own point as about why I don't like forced DEI: it just doesn't yield good results, because artists create content about things they personally take to heart and have first hand experience about. Japanese artists know jackshit about your melaninated community, who they are, what is their heritage, what are their subtle quirks, their strength, their struggle. So, why should they give a rat's tail? Assign them to weave quota into their work and they will see it as a difficult chore. You know what happens when you force a creator into doing this? They resort to stereotypes that you may perceive as tactless. Not because they're malicious, but because you are asking them to do something completely out of their depth. Stereotyping is the last resort call for a writer. And this is right for everyone, including western writers.
Now that you are talking about it, where is my fucking Tamil representation? Tamil are comprised of more than 1% of the population of Earth! Yeah, how about my anime around Sri Lanka, now? See, we can play this little game with all the different subsets of humanity.
Seems like people never read carefully my posts, but I am used to it...
I guess I'll parrot my own point as about why I don't like forced DEI: it just doesn't yield good results, because artists create content about things they personally take to heart and have first hand experience about. Japanese artists know jackshit about your melaninated community, who they are, what is their heritage, what are their subtle quirks, their strength, their struggle. So, why should they give a rat's tail? Assign them to weave quota into their work and they will see it as a difficult chore. You know what happens when you force a creator into doing this? They resort to stereotypes that you may perceive as tactless. Not because they're malicious, but because you are asking them to do something completely out of their depth. Stereotyping is the last resort call for a writer. And this is right for everyone, including western writers.
Now that you are talking about it, where is my fucking Tamil representation? Tamil are comprised of more than 1% of the population of Earth! Yeah, how about my anime around Sri Lanka, now? See, we can play this little game with all the different subsets of humanity.
sorcery said: Now that you are talking about it, where is my fucking Tamil representation? Tamil are comprised of more than 1% of the population of Earth! I mean, one of the very best anime/TV show of all time has an indian lesbian main character, so... count me in!  |
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@BilboBaggins365
I am simply agreeing him, about the point that ham fisting race swap characters for the sake of pandering to a bunch of holier-than-thou extreme left bigots is the lowest low a canon can stoop to.
Would you personally like Aragorn to become a caricature of Samuel L. Jackson's character in Pulp Fiction?
For instance, if you want black characters in LotR, then implement them with valuable worldbuilding concern in mind, like making them into dark elves. Then, they can become an overt allegory for the afro people, with both their qualities and shortcomings. Have some of them being benevolent and respectable while others are the scoundrels dark elves are generally known as.
I am simply agreeing him, about the point that ham fisting race swap characters for the sake of pandering to a bunch of holier-than-thou extreme left bigots is the lowest low a canon can stoop to.
Would you personally like Aragorn to become a caricature of Samuel L. Jackson's character in Pulp Fiction?
For instance, if you want black characters in LotR, then implement them with valuable worldbuilding concern in mind, like making them into dark elves. Then, they can become an overt allegory for the afro people, with both their qualities and shortcomings. Have some of them being benevolent and respectable while others are the scoundrels dark elves are generally known as.
sorcery said: Compared to pandering to the right wing bigots? Anime has had LGBT rep going all the way back to the 70s, probably early than that. Rose of Versailles had one explicit lesbian character, and others who at least were bi, yet the person you agreed with doesn't care. He thinks it's disgusting and doesn't want to see it in his media, yet this aspect of transgressive sexuality or even gender was part of this medium, and frankly was more open to doing it, than a lot of Western media from the time. The things these people are asking for existed in the medium. All they are asking for is more. Diversity and non Japanese protags, also were common in older sci fi anime. I am simply agreeing him, about the point that ham fisting race swap characters for the sake of pandering to a bunch of holier-than-thou extreme left bigots is the lowest low a canon can stoop to. If the point is well I don't want authors to feel they need to have a check list...kay fair enough....reasonable point, and then it's laden with all this other shit. I think it's fine to not want race swaps, I think it's fine to expect Japanese media to largely be about them, or their target demographic, which is usually straight Japanese men. That isn't where a lot of these posters are going though. It's either the uninformed afraid fan, who thinks any hint of Western media will destroy whatever ideal they hold for anime, while ignoring it's history, the real financial impact or who they are aligning with or it's like the guy you are responding to, an unrepentant bigot who just hates the gays... or other races or whatever it is. I am sorry I don't give people the benefit of the doubt anymore, and it's been evident from a lot of posters on here and the stuff I have seen in this ongoing culture war that I don't particularly like any of them, regardless of side. I will be my own judge, and the reality is despite all this fear baiting about anime, it hasn't changed that much despite significant increases in international funding or influence anyway. Still can stop people from jumping up and down to rush and condemn people for simply wanting more of x, completely ignorant of what others shows they like, or why they want x. Does someone wanting a black MC, mean they think those kinds of shows should be the majority? Really? Does someone wanting a female character with more power/agency mean they want her to be like Admiral Holdo? sorcery said: No, however, anime fans wanting "stronger female characters", adult protags or other characters from diverse backgrounds doesn't = the equivalence you are trying to create. Would you personally like Aragorn to become a caricature of Samuel L. Jackson's character in Pulp Fiction? For instance, if you want black characters in LotR, then implement them with valuable worldbuilding concern in mind, like making them into dark elves. Then, they can become an overt allegory for the afro people, with both their qualities and shortcomings. Have some of them being benevolent and respectable while others are the scoundrels dark elves are generally known as. Again I also stated my position, to me LOTR is a representation of an Anglo Saxon ideal. I don't have a problem with that, if that author intends it. It's fine if you want to create a medieval fantasy setting where it doesn't matter either. As said, I do believe in respecting authorial vision. ComeInReiAsuka said: What is "Western sensibilities" anyway? Do you guys even know what the average Western fan is spending or supporting anyway? The industry will prioritize what they have always prioritized.... money. If Western sensibilities lead to more money they will. If you don't like that spend more then, on shows that don't fulfill "Western sensibilities" Look at my top 10. Notice all the mecha? But westerners sensibilities should not come first. ComeInReiAsuka said: I didn't realize Western anime fans are now in the LA riots fighting for "diversity" in anime. Plus it's usually Japanese or Asian fanbases, that blow the lid off when they aren't happy.It's came naturally and not because of westerners throwing riots. |
BilboBaggins365Jun 17, 4:48 PM
| @BilboBaggins365 Compared to pandering to the right wing bigots? No. Compared to nothing. It's leftists who decided to enter the chat and make Art into useful agitprop for their agenda, not the right wingers. Right-wingers aren't demanding more Jesus Christ and Biblical traditionalism into their anime. Anime has had LGBT rep going all the way back to the 70s, probably early than that. Rose of Versailles had one explicit lesbian character, and others who at least were bi, yet the person you agreed with doesn't care. As I foresaid, because I partially agree with him doesn't mean I am completely aligned with his view. My individual outlook is that I don't like this at all but I tolerate it as long as it's not obvious fetish yuribait shit being tonally jarring in comparison to the rest of the work. The things these people are asking for existed in the medium. All they are asking for is more. Diversity and non Japanese protags, also were common in older sci fi anime. If it comes at the expense of existing works and their canon, it's where I am starting to stand in their way. As long as I have the choice to ignore the product of their lobbying (after seeing tags), I don't care. I just don't want 20% of the world to dictate the remaining 80% what they should love and applaude to. Call me a bigot if that's what you want, I will never compromise about it. I tolerate that you exist but I will never kiss your ass. Still can stop people from jumping up and down to rush and condemn people for simply wanting more of x, completely ignorant of what others shows they like, or why they want x. Yeah, meanwhile, fuck what my minority wants, I cannot have more fun anime with masculine badasses being just based because it's so insensitive, bouh ouh. Some groups are always more equal than the others, in the end. No, however, anime fans wanting "stronger female characters" If these stooges want more stronger female characters, they obviously haven't watched many anime titles. Most of the time the female protagonists of action based works are hyper masculine while the males are mostly apologetic and effeminate. |
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@BilboBaggins365
No. Compared to nothing. It's leftists who decided to enter the chat and make Art into useful agitprop for their agenda, not the right wingers. Right-wingers aren't demanding more Jesus Christ and Biblical traditionalism into their anime.
As I foresaid, because I partially agree with him doesn't mean I am completely aligned with his view. My individual outlook is that I don't like this at all but I tolerate it as long as it's not obvious fetish yuribait shit being tonally jarring in comparison to the rest of the work.
If it comes at the expense of existing works and their canon, it's where I am starting to stand in their way. As long as I have the choice to ignore the product of their lobbying (after seeing tags), I don't care. I just don't want 20% of the world to dictate the remaining 80% what they should love and applaude to. Call me a bigot if that's what you want, I will never compromise about it. I tolerate that you exist but I will never kiss your ass.
Yeah, meanwhile, fuck what my minority wants, I cannot have more fun anime with masculine badasses being just based because it's so insensitive, bouh ouh. Some groups are always more equal than the others, in the end.
If these stooges want more stronger female characters, they obviously haven't watched many anime titles. Most of the time the female protagonists of action based works are hyper masculine while the males are mostly apologetic and effeminate.
Compared to pandering to the right wing bigots?
No. Compared to nothing. It's leftists who decided to enter the chat and make Art into useful agitprop for their agenda, not the right wingers. Right-wingers aren't demanding more Jesus Christ and Biblical traditionalism into their anime.
Anime has had LGBT rep going all the way back to the 70s, probably early than that. Rose of Versailles had one explicit lesbian character, and others who at least were bi, yet the person you agreed with doesn't care.
As I foresaid, because I partially agree with him doesn't mean I am completely aligned with his view. My individual outlook is that I don't like this at all but I tolerate it as long as it's not obvious fetish yuribait shit being tonally jarring in comparison to the rest of the work.
The things these people are asking for existed in the medium. All they are asking for is more. Diversity and non Japanese protags, also were common in older sci fi anime.
If it comes at the expense of existing works and their canon, it's where I am starting to stand in their way. As long as I have the choice to ignore the product of their lobbying (after seeing tags), I don't care. I just don't want 20% of the world to dictate the remaining 80% what they should love and applaude to. Call me a bigot if that's what you want, I will never compromise about it. I tolerate that you exist but I will never kiss your ass.
Still can stop people from jumping up and down to rush and condemn people for simply wanting more of x, completely ignorant of what others shows they like, or why they want x.
Yeah, meanwhile, fuck what my minority wants, I cannot have more fun anime with masculine badasses being just based because it's so insensitive, bouh ouh. Some groups are always more equal than the others, in the end.
No, however, anime fans wanting "stronger female characters"
If these stooges want more stronger female characters, they obviously haven't watched many anime titles. Most of the time the female protagonists of action based works are hyper masculine while the males are mostly apologetic and effeminate.
sorcery said: No. Compared to nothing. It's leftists who decided to enter the chat and make Art into a useful agitprop for their agenda, not the right winger. The right-wingers aren't demanding more Jesus Christ and Biblical traditionalism into anime. That's a very bad timing, but there's one thread complaining about "dumb atheism" in anime and saying it shouldn't exist on top of AD right now... Also I'm not sure what female and gay leads have to do with Jesus. Are you saying loving Jesus makes one unable to love gays? |
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@BilboBaggins365
No. Compared to nothing. It's leftists who decided to enter the chat and make Art into useful agitprop for their agenda, not the right wingers. Right-wingers aren't demanding more Jesus Christ and Biblical traditionalism into their anime.
As I foresaid, because I partially agree with him doesn't mean I am completely aligned with his view. My individual outlook is that I don't like this at all but I tolerate it as long as it's not obvious fetish yuribait shit being tonally jarring in comparison to the rest of the work.
If it comes at the expense of existing works and their canon, it's where I am starting to stand in their way. As long as I have the choice to ignore the product of their lobbying (after seeing tags), I don't care. I just don't want 20% of the world to dictate the remaining 80% what they should love and applaude to. Call me a bigot if that's what you want, I will never compromise about it. I tolerate that you exist but I will never kiss your ass.
Yeah, meanwhile, fuck what my minority wants, I cannot have more fun anime with masculine badasses being just based because it's so insensitive, bouh ouh. Some groups are always more equal than the others, in the end.
If these stooges want more stronger female characters, they obviously haven't watched many anime titles. Most of the time the female protagonists of action based works are hyper masculine while the males are mostly apologetic and effeminate.
Compared to pandering to the right wing bigots?
No. Compared to nothing. It's leftists who decided to enter the chat and make Art into useful agitprop for their agenda, not the right wingers. Right-wingers aren't demanding more Jesus Christ and Biblical traditionalism into their anime.
Anime has had LGBT rep going all the way back to the 70s, probably early than that. Rose of Versailles had one explicit lesbian character, and others who at least were bi, yet the person you agreed with doesn't care.
As I foresaid, because I partially agree with him doesn't mean I am completely aligned with his view. My individual outlook is that I don't like this at all but I tolerate it as long as it's not obvious fetish yuribait shit being tonally jarring in comparison to the rest of the work.
The things these people are asking for existed in the medium. All they are asking for is more. Diversity and non Japanese protags, also were common in older sci fi anime.
If it comes at the expense of existing works and their canon, it's where I am starting to stand in their way. As long as I have the choice to ignore the product of their lobbying (after seeing tags), I don't care. I just don't want 20% of the world to dictate the remaining 80% what they should love and applaude to. Call me a bigot if that's what you want, I will never compromise about it. I tolerate that you exist but I will never kiss your ass.
Still can stop people from jumping up and down to rush and condemn people for simply wanting more of x, completely ignorant of what others shows they like, or why they want x.
Yeah, meanwhile, fuck what my minority wants, I cannot have more fun anime with masculine badasses being just based because it's so insensitive, bouh ouh. Some groups are always more equal than the others, in the end.
No, however, anime fans wanting "stronger female characters"
If these stooges want more stronger female characters, they obviously haven't watched many anime titles. Most of the time the female protagonists of action based works are hyper masculine while the males are mostly apologetic and effeminate.
sorcery said: So uh.....why did Sailor Moon have its lesbian relationship censored then? Like I don't know what rock you have been living under however, I did grow up in the 2000s, as a kid where the right was doing nothing but attacking games, media, anime, DnD for being demonic, promoting violence, sex etc. Pokemon is promoting evolution. I mean weren't the otakus in here freaking out about the Visa thing, which likely is being promoted by Christian activist groups lol? It's leftists who decided to enter the chat and make Art into useful agitprop for their agenda, not the right wingers. Right-wingers aren't demanding more Jesus Christ and Biblical traditionalism into their anime. The left got control over art because the right not only attacked it they abandoned it. They didn't give a shit about popular media. They only have themselves to blame. Maybe if they had embraced DnD (Christian creator), or other creatives, it wouldn't be so 'biased". sorcery said: The bare minimum would be not to agree with the bigot and just state your own view but whatever. I wouldn't agree with a Nazi, just because he makes one good foreign policy point.As I foresaid, because I partially agree with him doesn't mean I am completely aligned with his view. sorcery said: I mean if it's literally just the existence of x people in this story is offensive, despite the author wanting that, yeah you are. Which is the point, we can talk about what writing and forms of inclusion have failed however, if you first response to someone saying "hey I think it would be cool to have more action female MCs, with agency or characters of different backgrounds, that aren't Japanese" is "you evil woke commie, trying to change my anime industry"...then yeah, you have a problem lol. You are inventing this caricature in your head, and sure caricatures have some truth to them, however, I wouldn't be shocked if most of the people who did the survey still like anime, still are happy, they just want to see other stuff too, and again, these things are not unheard of, in the entire history of the medium.all me a bigot if that's what you want sorcery said: Who is this responding to lol?Yeah, meanwhile, fuck what my minority wants sorcery said: I quite like Buichi Terasawa's works for the record. The reason why GAR anime isn't coming out is again anime fans don't care. It's not popular, and it doesn't make money. Used to...which again anime industry changes for better or worse. The woke didn't kill that. I cannot have more anime with masculine badasses being just based because it's so insensitive, bouh ouh. Some groups are always more equal than the others, in the end. sorcery said: I wouldn't say that...also Most of the time the female protagonists of action based work are hyper masculine while the males are mostly apologetic and effeminate. sorcery said: Anime having good female characters doesn't mean on the aggregate they have good female characters. You can list a 100 and find thousands with way worse writing. I think I said this before however, I find the average male character more interesting in anime than the inverse. I find it more balanced in some other mediums. They could use improvements and hey I will give credit, that I think recent action shonen hits, have been better with female characters than they have been treated in the past. If these stooges want more stronger female characters, they obviously haven't watched many anime titles. |
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How does adult protagonists solve anything? It solves nothing.
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@DesuMaiden It lets me watch ecchi without ending up on a FBI list.
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@DesuMaiden It lets me watch ecchi without ending up on a FBI list.
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@DesuMaiden It lets me watch ecchi without ending up on a FBI list.
| @Deathko Well they are hotter too. I need more thick milfs in my life. So net win! |
| I am genuinely surprised anyone would look for the real child sex stuff. Yet there are people who do that.....not a good idea, of course. |
| Here is my Pixiv account of my hentai drawings..... https://www.pixiv.net/en/users/104739065 |
Reply to DesuMaiden
How does adult protagonists solve anything? It solves nothing.
| @DesuMaiden It's not about "solving", it's about possibly exploring underexplored avenues. @ComeInReiAsuka Brighten up, coomer, VPNs exist and you will always have access to your fap fodder. Even if you are a Texan. I remember posting on this topic and saying I am all for the ban, being almost 100% sure it'd pathetically fail and set a precedent against any other ban apologists. @BilboBaggins365 So uh.....why did Sailor Moon have its lesbian relationship censored then? Like I don't know what rock you have been living under however, I did grow up in the 2000s, as a kid where the right was doing nothing but attacking games, media, anime, DnD for being demonic, promoting violence, sex etc. They never went into insiduous lengths to infiltrate companies and artistically mangle the canon of any of these works. On the other hand, the activists within Wizard of the Coast are going so woke they're rewriting the canon of DnD and Magic the Gathering as they see the racism Boogeyman everywhere, lol. The misguided concern of these parental associations was to put a damper on things and "protect" innocent kiddos. Not saying that I am siding with their prude pro-censor views, but before calling me on false equivalency, make sure not to resort to a biased one as well. I wouldn't agree with a Nazi, just because he makes one good foreign policy point. What would be a debate without an off the beam Godwin point? Hahaa! I quite like Buichi Terasawa's works for the record. The reason why GAR anime isn't coming out is again anime fans don't care. It's not popular, and it doesn't make money. Used to...which again anime industry changes for better or worse. The woke didn't kill that. I never said the wokies were entirely responsible. Just that I am part of a minority of amateurs, yet nobody gives a fuck about what we'd like to see a little more. Nobody sympathize with us. It's basically why I am often jumping at the throats of waifuists. It's because of them I cannot either have badass or intellectually driven anime, as their priorities is always this dumbass whoopsie daisy fluff. That said apart, we can at least sympathize over some common taste. Anime having good female characters doesn't mean on the aggregate they have good female characters. The fact remains, they should probably focus on watching these 100 anime before answering anything dumb in these surveys. They can't demand creators to write well a certain type of characters if they have no idea how to write them well to begin with, anyway. |
sorceryJun 17, 6:29 PM
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@DesuMaiden
It's not about "solving", it's about possibly exploring underexplored avenues.
@ComeInReiAsuka
Brighten up, coomer, VPNs exist and you will always have access to your fap fodder. Even if you are a Texan. I remember posting on this topic and saying I am all for the ban, being almost 100% sure it'd pathetically fail and set a precedent against any other ban apologists.
@BilboBaggins365
They never went into insiduous lengths to infiltrate companies and artistically mangle the canon of any of these works. On the other hand, the activists within Wizard of the Coast are going so woke they're rewriting the canon of DnD and Magic the Gathering as they see the racism Boogeyman everywhere, lol.
The misguided concern of these parental associations was to put a damper on things and "protect" innocent kiddos. Not saying that I am siding with their prude pro-censor views, but before calling me on false equivalency, make sure not to resort to a biased one as well.
What would be a debate without an off the beam Godwin point? Hahaa!
I never said the wokies were entirely responsible. Just that I am part of a minority of amateurs, yet nobody gives a fuck about what we'd like to see a little more. Nobody sympathize with us. It's basically why I am often jumping at the throats of waifuists. It's because of them I cannot either have badass or intellectually driven anime, as their priorities is always this dumbass whoopsie daisy fluff. That said apart, we can at least sympathize over some common taste.
The fact remains, they should probably focus on watching these 100 anime before answering anything dumb in these surveys. They can't demand creators to write well a certain type of characters if they have no idea how to write them well to begin with, anyway.
It's not about "solving", it's about possibly exploring underexplored avenues.
@ComeInReiAsuka
Brighten up, coomer, VPNs exist and you will always have access to your fap fodder. Even if you are a Texan. I remember posting on this topic and saying I am all for the ban, being almost 100% sure it'd pathetically fail and set a precedent against any other ban apologists.
@BilboBaggins365
So uh.....why did Sailor Moon have its lesbian relationship censored then? Like I don't know what rock you have been living under however, I did grow up in the 2000s, as a kid where the right was doing nothing but attacking games, media, anime, DnD for being demonic, promoting violence, sex etc.
They never went into insiduous lengths to infiltrate companies and artistically mangle the canon of any of these works. On the other hand, the activists within Wizard of the Coast are going so woke they're rewriting the canon of DnD and Magic the Gathering as they see the racism Boogeyman everywhere, lol.
The misguided concern of these parental associations was to put a damper on things and "protect" innocent kiddos. Not saying that I am siding with their prude pro-censor views, but before calling me on false equivalency, make sure not to resort to a biased one as well.
I wouldn't agree with a Nazi, just because he makes one good foreign policy point.
What would be a debate without an off the beam Godwin point? Hahaa!
I quite like Buichi Terasawa's works for the record. The reason why GAR anime isn't coming out is again anime fans don't care. It's not popular, and it doesn't make money. Used to...which again anime industry changes for better or worse. The woke didn't kill that.
I never said the wokies were entirely responsible. Just that I am part of a minority of amateurs, yet nobody gives a fuck about what we'd like to see a little more. Nobody sympathize with us. It's basically why I am often jumping at the throats of waifuists. It's because of them I cannot either have badass or intellectually driven anime, as their priorities is always this dumbass whoopsie daisy fluff. That said apart, we can at least sympathize over some common taste.
Anime having good female characters doesn't mean on the aggregate they have good female characters.
The fact remains, they should probably focus on watching these 100 anime before answering anything dumb in these surveys. They can't demand creators to write well a certain type of characters if they have no idea how to write them well to begin with, anyway.
| @sorcery ok. Vote for the theocratic losers. See how it goes. |
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Reply to issac9006
@sniperhunter912
So basically you are just homophobic. May you expand on what you find revolting in homosexual characters?
So basically you are just homophobic. May you expand on what you find revolting in homosexual characters?
| @issac9006 Why did you ask that lol. We really don't need this convo going further. sorcery said: No I am pretty sure they thought DnD was promoting actual witch craft, and that people were engaging in it.The misguided concern of these parental associations was to put a damper on things and "protect" innocent kiddos. Not saying that I am siding with their prude pro-censor views, but before calling me on false equivalency, make sure not to resort to a biased one as well. sorcery said: I think I can point to literally one case, I know of, where this is applicable in anime/manga (which many of these morons wouldn't care about anyway since it was turning a gay crossdressing character trans), otherwise it's just 4kids tier dubbing. Even in that case, people go to the same 2 incidents, which happened almost like a decade ago at this point. They never went into insiduous lengths to infiltrate companies and artistically mangle the canon of any of these works. If we are talking Western stuff? SW was pretty woke...Lucas commentary on Vietnam is frankly actually worse than most of the writing for the ST. I say that as a fan. Marvel was also pretty politically loaded back in the day. Some of these IPs people complain about were pretty associated with the left. The left has just changed, that is all. A lot of this media thought was always associated with the left, that people loved and considered Western "pop culture". it's shocking they went along with various progressive or milquetoast liberal takes, for better or worse. And again....that isn't all Western media. Like one of the bigger Sci Fi books I know of right now the Suneater series is written by a Catholic, who people have complained about for a variety of reasons. sorcery said: Could use other political radicals if you feel offended. Tankie, Jihadist....who should I use to prove my point? Nazis are just easy to recognize by wider Western culture. What would be a debate without an off the beam Godwin point? Hahaa! sorcery said: I don't get upset when things don't appeal to me. That sucks all I can control is where my dollar is spent. I don't understand why you would get mad at other paying fans. I mean again, the issue is that fans of GAR anime aren't there...not that "waifuists" whatever that means, exist. Both things can exist, however, you need financial incentive. The reason people aren't making all the space operas I want is there is no financial incentive, not that isekai has destroyed everything. I never said the wokies were entirely responsible. Just that I am part of a minority of amateurs, yet nobody gives a fuck about what we'd like to see a little more. Nobody sympathize with us. It's basically why I am often jumping at the throats of waifuists. It's because of them I cannot either have badass or intellectually driven anime, as their priorities is always this dumbass whoopsie daisy fluff. That said apart, we can at least sympathize over some common taste. Like sure, wouldn't it be fun to see more badass dudes in a space opera setting in anime? Yeah however, they aren't here so I will just go to 40k for that and enjoy what anime does well and what it has done in the past. I try to be a glass half full guy when I approach media. sorcery said: Well maybe CR should advertise them. Regardless, whether you like it or not, how anime is judged, is very based on recent seasonals, that is what most fans watch. Which again, while I do think writing has improved in some ways, in say shonen anime, when I think big female characters in this medium, it's actually a lot of older stuff. Though hey Spice and Wolf got a remake, Ghost in the Shell got a remake...hopefully that exposes new fans to those characters. I thought the Apothecary Diaries was great...again is more shows like that a problem?The fact remains, they should probably focus on watching these 100 anime before answering anything dumb in these surveys. I have seen tons of female fans love Mao Mao's character writing. |
BilboBaggins365Jun 17, 6:58 PM
Reply to ComeInReiAsuka
| @ComeInReiAsuka It won't go anywhere, really. These senile politicians at laughably incompetent when it comes to legislate around laws policing tech, in my experience. If they can't do shit about piracy what makes you think they will be successful against a legion of determined masturbators like yourself? So, you may as well vote for them and have a laugh as they fumble. I just can't, because I don't live in the land of Hot Chili, Derricks and Cowboys. Though, I still wouldn't. Voting is a fool's game. Democracy is all about the illusion of making a change. |
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@ComeInReiAsuka
It won't go anywhere, really. These senile politicians at laughably incompetent when it comes to legislate around laws policing tech, in my experience. If they can't do shit about piracy what makes you think they will be successful against a legion of determined masturbators like yourself?
So, you may as well vote for them and have a laugh as they fumble. I just can't, because I don't live in the land of Hot Chili, Derricks and Cowboys. Though, I still wouldn't. Voting is a fool's game. Democracy is all about the illusion of making a change.
It won't go anywhere, really. These senile politicians at laughably incompetent when it comes to legislate around laws policing tech, in my experience. If they can't do shit about piracy what makes you think they will be successful against a legion of determined masturbators like yourself?
So, you may as well vote for them and have a laugh as they fumble. I just can't, because I don't live in the land of Hot Chili, Derricks and Cowboys. Though, I still wouldn't. Voting is a fool's game. Democracy is all about the illusion of making a change.
| @sorcery voting matters. Saying it doesn't is how the theocratic lunatics win. You are clearly on their side. |
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@LuxuriousHeart
Seems like people never read carefully my posts, but I am used to it...
I guess I'll parrot my own point as about why I don't like forced DEI: it just doesn't yield good results, because artists create content about things they personally take to heart and have first hand experience about. Japanese artists know jackshit about your melaninated community, who they are, what is their heritage, what are their subtle quirks, their strength, their struggle. So, why should they give a rat's tail? Assign them to weave quota into their work and they will see it as a difficult chore. You know what happens when you force a creator into doing this? They resort to stereotypes that you may perceive as tactless. Not because they're malicious, but because you are asking them to do something completely out of their depth. Stereotyping is the last resort call for a writer. And this is right for everyone, including western writers.
Now that you are talking about it, where is my fucking Tamil representation? Tamil are comprised of more than 1% of the population of Earth! Yeah, how about my anime around Sri Lanka, now? See, we can play this little game with all the different subsets of humanity.
Seems like people never read carefully my posts, but I am used to it...
I guess I'll parrot my own point as about why I don't like forced DEI: it just doesn't yield good results, because artists create content about things they personally take to heart and have first hand experience about. Japanese artists know jackshit about your melaninated community, who they are, what is their heritage, what are their subtle quirks, their strength, their struggle. So, why should they give a rat's tail? Assign them to weave quota into their work and they will see it as a difficult chore. You know what happens when you force a creator into doing this? They resort to stereotypes that you may perceive as tactless. Not because they're malicious, but because you are asking them to do something completely out of their depth. Stereotyping is the last resort call for a writer. And this is right for everyone, including western writers.
Now that you are talking about it, where is my fucking Tamil representation? Tamil are comprised of more than 1% of the population of Earth! Yeah, how about my anime around Sri Lanka, now? See, we can play this little game with all the different subsets of humanity.
| @sorcery Anime does a good enough job depicting Europeans. Why not other races and ethnicities? Even nationalities. I mean, anime has a hard time depicting South Asians, West Asians, and Southeast Asians. Yet they can depict Europeans... Come on now... And why would black characters be stereotypes? We're just people. Denzel Washington, Samuel Jackson, Quinta Brunson, Issa Rae, Michael B Jordan, Angela Basset, Viola Davis, Taraji P Henson, Cree Summers, Erykah Badu, Beyonce, Nicki Minaj, Megan Thee Stallion, NBA Young Boy, 50 Cent, Jaden Smith, Willow Smith, Tyler the Creator, Childish Gambino, etc., all have different personalities. Surely Japan can properly write a personality similar to at least one of the people that I've listed. I mean, why not? If a mangaka or anime director wants to make a character from Tamil, then they should have the right to without people screaming at them for being DEI woke. |
Reply to issac9006
@sorcery
I will say your arguments are a little muddy. Using a lot of big words isn't always good, the point of talking/writing is to convey your message, and also do that in a nice way.
You need to find a better balance or use words more accordingly.
I will say your arguments are a little muddy. Using a lot of big words isn't always good, the point of talking/writing is to convey your message, and also do that in a nice way.
You need to find a better balance or use words more accordingly.
issac9006 said: and also do that in a nice way. this right here folks ..pure political correctness at its finest u are the very definition of a tourist creators are well within their rights to decline your notions |
ItachiDeltaForceJun 17, 7:06 PM
| @ItachiDeltaForce Ironic thing is, your side is the one who complains whenever a black person appears on screen... |
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@BilboBaggins365
No. Compared to nothing. It's leftists who decided to enter the chat and make Art into useful agitprop for their agenda, not the right wingers. Right-wingers aren't demanding more Jesus Christ and Biblical traditionalism into their anime.
As I foresaid, because I partially agree with him doesn't mean I am completely aligned with his view. My individual outlook is that I don't like this at all but I tolerate it as long as it's not obvious fetish yuribait shit being tonally jarring in comparison to the rest of the work.
If it comes at the expense of existing works and their canon, it's where I am starting to stand in their way. As long as I have the choice to ignore the product of their lobbying (after seeing tags), I don't care. I just don't want 20% of the world to dictate the remaining 80% what they should love and applaude to. Call me a bigot if that's what you want, I will never compromise about it. I tolerate that you exist but I will never kiss your ass.
Yeah, meanwhile, fuck what my minority wants, I cannot have more fun anime with masculine badasses being just based because it's so insensitive, bouh ouh. Some groups are always more equal than the others, in the end.
If these stooges want more stronger female characters, they obviously haven't watched many anime titles. Most of the time the female protagonists of action based works are hyper masculine while the males are mostly apologetic and effeminate.
Compared to pandering to the right wing bigots?
No. Compared to nothing. It's leftists who decided to enter the chat and make Art into useful agitprop for their agenda, not the right wingers. Right-wingers aren't demanding more Jesus Christ and Biblical traditionalism into their anime.
Anime has had LGBT rep going all the way back to the 70s, probably early than that. Rose of Versailles had one explicit lesbian character, and others who at least were bi, yet the person you agreed with doesn't care.
As I foresaid, because I partially agree with him doesn't mean I am completely aligned with his view. My individual outlook is that I don't like this at all but I tolerate it as long as it's not obvious fetish yuribait shit being tonally jarring in comparison to the rest of the work.
The things these people are asking for existed in the medium. All they are asking for is more. Diversity and non Japanese protags, also were common in older sci fi anime.
If it comes at the expense of existing works and their canon, it's where I am starting to stand in their way. As long as I have the choice to ignore the product of their lobbying (after seeing tags), I don't care. I just don't want 20% of the world to dictate the remaining 80% what they should love and applaude to. Call me a bigot if that's what you want, I will never compromise about it. I tolerate that you exist but I will never kiss your ass.
Still can stop people from jumping up and down to rush and condemn people for simply wanting more of x, completely ignorant of what others shows they like, or why they want x.
Yeah, meanwhile, fuck what my minority wants, I cannot have more fun anime with masculine badasses being just based because it's so insensitive, bouh ouh. Some groups are always more equal than the others, in the end.
No, however, anime fans wanting "stronger female characters"
If these stooges want more stronger female characters, they obviously haven't watched many anime titles. Most of the time the female protagonists of action based works are hyper masculine while the males are mostly apologetic and effeminate.
| @sorcery Right wingers are trying to censor anime and manga, even trying to ban it. Surely you've seen those threads, right? How does making a work with a black person, ruin anime? Unless you're racist, it seems that it'd add something to anime. |
Reply to niconiconii27
Ain't no way you clown are still yapping about meme data
| I see this more so as discussion about personal thoughts, and the study is a way to bring a topic to a table. |
| @ItachiDeltaForce Reagan was a raging racist who actively cut benefits and said racist things. You're mask off with your racism. |
Reply to LuxuriousHeart
@ItachiDeltaForce Reagan was a raging racist who actively cut benefits and said racist things. You're mask off with your racism.
| @LuxuriousHeart give examples plz not just surface level here say Reagan was nothing short of a fking god |
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