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Gen Z male fans are more right-wing or anti-left and we're the majority in the Anime fandom so I have no idea of what you're talking about.
| @ToumaTachibana Maybe on this site, but I wouldn't necessarily say that is true overall, both the "gen z male" and the "right wing" part. MAL really only makes up a fraction of the fanbase. These numbers make sense when considering the growing anime fanbase at large, and while crunchy role is certainly a biased source to get data from, these sentiments will only continue to grow overtime. And that isn't a bad thing. You can only watch the same male power fantasy so many times, and as long as anime writers don't butcher it like how Hollywood did, it'll provide more interesting and new shows. |
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Reply to Briekimchi
@Deathko Well, Crunchyroll's own most recent data placed Japan's anime consumption at about 50% of the total, meaning that currentlyevery other market combined only make up half. You could make an argument that there's a huge potential market out there to be attained, but I'm not personally seeing it, and I don't think it was obviously apparent to actually make an actual difference in the anime/manga creation process.
| @Briekimchi The only numbers I could find that ressembled 50/50 were the japanese anime industry revenues, with overseas money just passing their internal market's revenues. This does not account for other anime producers like Korea and China, this does not account for the money foreign publishers make out of it, and Japan has a very long history of selling anime at insane prices in Japan, and totally underpricing it overseas. I pretty much guarantee you to foreign market is much, much, much bigger than Japan's. Wether Japan is seing it, or is still stuck in the 70s/80s when it was exporting its animation for absolutely nothing, remains to be seen. |
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Reply to ItachiDeltaForce
@Deathko U mean the Joe Rogan who was your classic liberal leftist whos family background are all liberal democrats for years until the the libterds went full retard lunatic and pushed people like Joe Rogan to the other side bc of their radical extremism dei nonsense??
| @ItachiDeltaForce Yes, the Joe Rogan who pretends he's dumb enough to believe pyramids are ancient power generators just because he knows there's an audience for that grift. Someone with zero moral or ethics. That Joe Rogan. |
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Reply to Deathko
@ItachiDeltaForce Yes, the Joe Rogan who pretends he's dumb enough to believe pyramids are ancient power generators just because he knows there's an audience for that grift. Someone with zero moral or ethics. That Joe Rogan.
| @Deathko "morals or ethics" can u give any examples?...or is that just leftist surface level wrong-think bias? |
| Well well well, look who's single-handedly reshaping anime demographics from their secret lair of taste. the rest of the world was busy shipping teenagers with kawaii moe , I've always said, “Give me cursed tool muscle queens and thirty-somethings Milfs who fight aliens in their off-hours and still file their taxes.” And global audience is now following. I didn’t ride the wave, I planted the Flag. Maki Zenin’s, Makima-sama's dominant aura? That’s my ripple effect. Ayase Seiko’s teasing sass? Practically my spiritual self-insert. Somewhere, a studio exec always greenlit a mystery like Dinner Table detective or youkai school teacher, and remake my old favourites like Ranma, Urusei yatsura, Hell teacher Nube, Cat's eye because they secretly follow my ripple I leave through the astral plane. |
traed said: No I am just giving my own personal experiance. Great that there have been recent shows, however, outside of reading Tomo Chan, I didn't know of most of them. That said, it would be nice to have more leads, which is again is all I assume this poll is saying. Yet people melt down, because some people want more of another thing. Plus....I still would like to see more leads, that is all. If you arent just being disingenuous Getting all accusatory, and implying I can't read subtext, just because I have a personal desire to see x is again the overtly hostile attitude, this community has to anything that may challenge the norm they are comfortable with. It's fine to prefer the norm however, the hostility is unwarranted. At the end of the day, the market decides all. Why do you or so many fans, care that others may want more BL, and support that? If you represent the majority, that is what the anime industry will cater towards. I am not going to get the same level of hostility from some fans, if I just say I want more mecha, sci fi and war drama anime. How is this different? traed said: Maybe, I have been going through a long soft burnt out of late, and frankly just prioritizing older shows. I haven't been watching much if any seasonals. So how many anime do I need to have watched for my opinion to be valid lol? or aren't watching enough variety of anime. traed said: Once again, anime fan that thinks all Western fiction is some comedic SJW hit piece. Most SF/F I read doesn't do this, when they have LGBT characters. Most Western story based games I have played don't do this. I am a huge 40k fan and all of that media treats LGBT characters very nonchalantly because no one cares in the dark far future. parently Japanese people dont go around announcing to everyone using labels they are gay or trans and when someone does they think it's weird, so it would be out of place for characters to act like current year Westerners going on and on about how gay or trans they are. I mean if I haven't watched enough have you watched/played or read enough varied Western media, to make such an assertion? Sorry, I highly doubt most of the anime obsessed fans on here actually consume enough media variety to make most of the assertions they usually make. The Weeb belief, that the only good media is anime, has pretty much consumed this site, and that was a mentatliy I frankly always despised, even when I was a very new fan 15+ years ago, because I have always been invested in varied media. |
BilboBaggins365Jun 14, 7:14 PM
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traed said:
If you arent just being disingenuous
No I am just giving my own personal experiance. Great that there have been recent shows, however, outside of reading Tomo Chan, I didn't know of most of them. That said, it would be nice to have more leads, which is again is all I assume this poll is saying. Yet people melt down, because some people want more of another thing. Plus....I still would like to see more leads, that is all. If you arent just being disingenuous
Getting all accusatory, and implying I can't read subtext, just because I have a personal desire to see x is again the overtly hostile attitude, this community has to anything that may challenge the norm they are comfortable with. It's fine to prefer the norm however, the hostility is unwarranted. At the end of the day, the market decides all. Why do you or so many fans, care that others may want more BL, and support that? If you represent the majority, that is what the anime industry will cater towards.
I am not going to get the same level of hostility from some fans, if I just say I want more mecha, sci fi and war drama anime. How is this different?
traed said:
or aren't watching enough variety of anime.
Maybe, I have been going through a long soft burnt out of late, and frankly just prioritizing older shows. I haven't been watching much if any seasonals. So how many anime do I need to have watched for my opinion to be valid lol? or aren't watching enough variety of anime.
traed said:
parently Japanese people dont go around announcing to everyone using labels they are gay or trans and when someone does they think it's weird, so it would be out of place for characters to act like current year Westerners going on and on about how gay or trans they are.
Once again, anime fan that thinks all Western fiction is some comedic SJW hit piece. Most SF/F I read doesn't do this, when they have LGBT characters. Most Western story based games I have played don't do this. I am a huge 40k fan and all of that media treats LGBT characters very nonchalantly because no one cares in the dark far future. parently Japanese people dont go around announcing to everyone using labels they are gay or trans and when someone does they think it's weird, so it would be out of place for characters to act like current year Westerners going on and on about how gay or trans they are.
I mean if I haven't watched enough have you watched/played or read enough varied Western media, to make such an assertion? Sorry, I highly doubt most of the anime obsessed fans on here actually consume enough media variety to make most of the assertions they usually make. The Weeb belief, that the only good media is anime, has pretty much consumed this site, and that was a mentatliy I frankly always despised, even when I was a very new fan 15+ years ago, because I have always been invested in varied media.
| @BilboBaggins365 the only good western show in recent times was game of thrones & house of the dragon maybe Andor....maybe south park needs a mention the rest is junk or infested with dei propaganda but there were some great shows back in the day - star gate sg1, star trek next gen, buffy the vampire slayer, simpsons, futurama, homeland, sopranos, miami vice, Beverly Hills 90210 (og), Baywatch, Twin Peaks, Friends, Frazier, nypd blue, Dexter, The Wire, Fargo, The X-files... etc...... there are more but i cant seem to remember them these were some fantastic shows .... The X-files & homeland being 2 of my personal favs in particular at the same time Hollywood used to be cool too....making movie bangers like the matrix, fellowship of the ring , batman dark knight...ect |
ItachiDeltaForceJun 14, 8:51 PM
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@BilboBaggins365 the only good western show in recent times was game of thrones & house of the dragon
maybe Andor....maybe
south park needs a mention
the rest is junk or infested with dei propaganda
but there were some great shows back in the day - star gate sg1, star trek next gen, buffy the vampire slayer, simpsons, futurama, homeland, sopranos, miami vice, Beverly Hills 90210 (og), Baywatch, Twin Peaks, Friends, Frazier, nypd blue, Dexter, The Wire, Fargo, The X-files... etc...... there are more but i cant seem to remember them
these were some fantastic shows ....
The X-files & homeland being 2 of my personal favs in particular
at the same time Hollywood used to be cool too....making movie bangers like the matrix, fellowship of the ring , batman dark knight...ect
maybe Andor....maybe
south park needs a mention
the rest is junk or infested with dei propaganda
but there were some great shows back in the day - star gate sg1, star trek next gen, buffy the vampire slayer, simpsons, futurama, homeland, sopranos, miami vice, Beverly Hills 90210 (og), Baywatch, Twin Peaks, Friends, Frazier, nypd blue, Dexter, The Wire, Fargo, The X-files... etc...... there are more but i cant seem to remember them
these were some fantastic shows ....
The X-files & homeland being 2 of my personal favs in particular
at the same time Hollywood used to be cool too....making movie bangers like the matrix, fellowship of the ring , batman dark knight...ect
| @ItachiDeltaForce Dear lord, Game of Thrones was some of the worst, shallowest slop I have ever witnessed. It's like those shows about adulterous crimes that bored wives watch because it's taboo and titillating or something. Literally Dallas with dragons. But I guess I haven't watched a single western show since Vikings s2, so who knows? Maybe everything else is worse than GoT? Big doubt, tho. |
DeathkoJun 14, 8:10 PM
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@ItachiDeltaForce Dear lord, Game of Thrones was some of the worst, shallowest slop I have ever witnessed. It's like those shows about adulterous crimes that bored wives watch because it's taboo and titillating or something. Literally Dallas with dragons.
But I guess I haven't watched a single western show since Vikings s2, so who knows? Maybe everything else is worse than GoT? Big doubt, tho.
But I guess I haven't watched a single western show since Vikings s2, so who knows? Maybe everything else is worse than GoT? Big doubt, tho.
| @Deathko yeah sorry but you are in the minority there....it only won awards like every year and dominated tv for nearly a decade it was'nt perfect but a darn sight much better than what was on offer at the time o yeah Dallas was a good show from the 80s too thx for reminding me |
ItachiDeltaForceJun 14, 8:11 PM
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Reply to WaterMage
Anime has more strong independent women character than most of recent hollywood garbage. I dare to find better written women character of their taste than Maomao in their inclusive liberal murican trash. Lgbt representation are also plenty. And NO absolutely no racial equality please no. Japanese are white stay it that. No need black character just for the sake of "equality". And also no to grown up characters. I rather enjoy my escapism in peace. Some more mature animes are already there. I don't want to see how old man's fart and shits in anime nor old hag replacing JKs. It's what makes this anime good. You as a viewer adapat or respectfully frick of...
Ah Gen-Z not watching as much Bollywood another W in my book.
Ah Gen-Z not watching as much Bollywood another W in my book.
| @WaterMage I agree with you that, anime does have some strong and well written strong female characters- maomao from kusuriya, and so are characters like motoko kusanagi, san, and balsa. But that doesn’t mean other industries or cultures are incapable of writing complex women. Also, diversity, whether in race, age, or gender identity, isn’t the enemy of good storytelling. It’s just representation, and it doesn’t automatically make something “trash.” Anime itself is becoming more inclusive too, look at shows like Wonder Egg Priority, Banana Fish, Yuri on Ice, or Doukyuusei, all featuring lgbtq+ characters or themes. As for "racial equality", dismissing it with “Japanese are white” is just factually wrong. Japan is a racially homogenous country, yes, but Japanese people are not “white,” nor do they identify that way. And inserting a Black or foreign character thoughtfully doesn’t ruin a story. Carole from Carole & Tuesday are great characters who enriched their stories, not token gestures. Escapism doesn’t have to come at the cost of empathy or inclusion and mature stories, whether about teenagers or older people- can coexist. anime's strength is its range, from youthful slice-of-life to deeply reflective seinen and jousei. Gatekeeping anime based on race, age, or identity just limits what it can be. But the beauty of anime is that it’s for everyone. |
BilboBaggins365 said: No I am just giving my own personal experiance. Great that there have been recent shows, however, outside of reading Tomo Chan, I didn't know of most of them. That said, it would be nice to have more leads, which is again is all I assume this poll is saying. Yet people melt down, because some people want more of another thing. Plus....I still would like to see more leads, that is all. Getting all accusatory, and implying I can't read subtext, just because I have a personal desire to see x is again the overtly hostile attitude, this community has to anything that may challenge the norm they are comfortable with. It's fine to prefer the norm however, the hostility is unwarranted. At the end of the day, the market decides all. Why do you or so many fans, care that others may want more BL, and support that? If you represent the majority, that is what the anime industry will cater towards. I am not going to get the same level of hostility from some fans, if I just say I want more mecha, sci fi and war drama anime. How is this different? There has been older ones too but harder for me to remember if I havent watched them fresh and I didnt watch as much variety in past. Cardcaptor Sakura has various same sex crushes in it among male and female and does it pretty nonchalantly. The poll can't really be easy to interpret as I mentioned in a few posts since it depends how someone interprets the question and exactly what phrasing they used and it isnt clear how they even defined "anime fan" since it could be someone who barely watches too. I don't know what they mean by wanting more, how much is more, does that mean too little as is? It's all so vague. Even Family Feud questions have clearer questions and answers. Saying "IF" is giving benefit of the doubt, not being accusatory right off. Missing subtext or not seeing enough variety of anime are matters of fact statements of the only logical conclusions. Those are general genre requests which is different from things that seem to suggest some misunderstanding of anime and implying changes to it. Anime does have a lot of queer characters, a lot of strong female leads, a lot of ethnic and racial and national diversity compared to the actual demographics of Japan and often those things are fairly ambiguous due to it never being mentioned and sometimes not even implied. BilboBaggins365 said: Maybe, I have been going through a long soft burnt out of late, and frankly just prioritizing older shows. I haven't been watching much if any seasonals. So how many anime do I need to have watched for my opinion to be valid lol? There isn't a hard number of total but need to watch various genres and themes in general and not only focus on popularity or some other specific thing. BilboBaggins365 said: Once again, anime fan that thinks all Western fiction is some comedic SJW hit piece. Most SF/F I read doesn't do this, when they have LGBT characters. Most Western story based games I have played don't do this. I am a huge 40k fan and all of that media treats LGBT characters very nonchalantly because no one cares in the dark far future. I mean if I haven't watched enough have you watched/played or read enough varied Western media, to make such an assertion? Sorry, I highly doubt most of the anime obsessed fans on here actually consume enough media variety to make most of the assertions they usually make. The Weeb belief, that the only good media is anime, has pretty much consumed this site, and that was a mentatliy I frankly always despised, even when I was a very new fan 15+ years ago, because I have always been invested in varied media. Maybe some do to that degree but a lot of the more extreme either are using hyperbole or are political ideologues as much tourists as those they criticize, but you have to admit there is a lot of bad tokenization and poor characterization and writing these days in some American media in particular that wasnt so much a thing before except in the 90s and then it at least wasnt political pandering for PR profit attempts just meant as a fun thing. Not all American or otherwise Western media is bad, I watch a fair amount less interested these days since so much on streaming services and harder to access that, but it's gotten so distracting when it happens in that way that even my mom who doesnt use social media so she couldnt possibly been exposed to any culture war crap noticed it and like pointing it out how superficial and fake it is. It takes you out of immersion. Most people who are anime fans mentioning such things are only against bad writing from shoehorned in stuff and in case of anime then cultural imperialism too especially when it is cases of telling Japanese what they can and can not make, not against variety in media or diversity all together. |
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Gen Z male fans are more right-wing or anti-left and we're the majority in the Anime fandom so I have no idea of what you're talking about.
| @ToumaTachibana 95 percent of Gen Z male anime fans just scroll through tiktok and don't actually watch shit lol. Congratulations. You are in the tiny minority of actual fans for GenZ males. |
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"Global Anime Fans Want Stronger Female Leads & Adult Protagonists"
yes, im want this too
yes, im want this too
| @nirererin i disagree with the "stronger female leads" as this can create some truly cringe scenarios & situations (look at how marvel & DC failed) the period/era of the girl boss & wokeism is fading thank god, the anime industry will look at hollywood & companies like disney & and see how badly they failed with pushing these ideals, bc as any sane person will tell u ..we all know by nature that women/girls are not physically stronger than men ...sorry but that is just truth sorry to burst ur bubble as for more adult protags ?? for sure bring it on absolutely & we need more smarter mature darker stories/writing |
ItachiDeltaForceJun 14, 10:32 PM
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BilboBaggins365 said:
No I am just giving my own personal experiance. Great that there have been recent shows, however, outside of reading Tomo Chan, I didn't know of most of them. That said, it would be nice to have more leads, which is again is all I assume this poll is saying. Yet people melt down, because some people want more of another thing. Plus....I still would like to see more leads, that is all.
Getting all accusatory, and implying I can't read subtext, just because I have a personal desire to see x is again the overtly hostile attitude, this community has to anything that may challenge the norm they are comfortable with. It's fine to prefer the norm however, the hostility is unwarranted. At the end of the day, the market decides all. Why do you or so many fans, care that others may want more BL, and support that? If you represent the majority, that is what the anime industry will cater towards.
I am not going to get the same level of hostility from some fans, if I just say I want more mecha, sci fi and war drama anime. How is this different?
No I am just giving my own personal experiance. Great that there have been recent shows, however, outside of reading Tomo Chan, I didn't know of most of them. That said, it would be nice to have more leads, which is again is all I assume this poll is saying. Yet people melt down, because some people want more of another thing. Plus....I still would like to see more leads, that is all.
Getting all accusatory, and implying I can't read subtext, just because I have a personal desire to see x is again the overtly hostile attitude, this community has to anything that may challenge the norm they are comfortable with. It's fine to prefer the norm however, the hostility is unwarranted. At the end of the day, the market decides all. Why do you or so many fans, care that others may want more BL, and support that? If you represent the majority, that is what the anime industry will cater towards.
I am not going to get the same level of hostility from some fans, if I just say I want more mecha, sci fi and war drama anime. How is this different?
There has been older ones too but harder for me to remember if I havent watched them fresh and I didnt watch as much variety in past. Cardcaptor Sakura has various same sex crushes in it among male and female and does it pretty nonchalantly. The poll can't really be easy to interpret as I mentioned in a few posts since it depends how someone interprets the question and exactly what phrasing they used and it isnt clear how they even defined "anime fan" since it could be someone who barely watches too. I don't know what they mean by wanting more, how much is more, does that mean too little as is? It's all so vague. Even Family Feud questions have clearer questions and answers.
Saying "IF" is giving benefit of the doubt, not being accusatory right off. Missing subtext or not seeing enough variety of anime are matters of fact statements of the only logical conclusions.
Those are general genre requests which is different from things that seem to suggest some misunderstanding of anime and implying changes to it. Anime does have a lot of queer characters, a lot of strong female leads, a lot of ethnic and racial and national diversity compared to the actual demographics of Japan and often those things are fairly ambiguous due to it never being mentioned and sometimes not even implied.
BilboBaggins365 said:
Maybe, I have been going through a long soft burnt out of late, and frankly just prioritizing older shows. I haven't been watching much if any seasonals. So how many anime do I need to have watched for my opinion to be valid lol?
Maybe, I have been going through a long soft burnt out of late, and frankly just prioritizing older shows. I haven't been watching much if any seasonals. So how many anime do I need to have watched for my opinion to be valid lol?
There isn't a hard number of total but need to watch various genres and themes in general and not only focus on popularity or some other specific thing.
BilboBaggins365 said:
Once again, anime fan that thinks all Western fiction is some comedic SJW hit piece. Most SF/F I read doesn't do this, when they have LGBT characters. Most Western story based games I have played don't do this. I am a huge 40k fan and all of that media treats LGBT characters very nonchalantly because no one cares in the dark far future.
I mean if I haven't watched enough have you watched/played or read enough varied Western media, to make such an assertion? Sorry, I highly doubt most of the anime obsessed fans on here actually consume enough media variety to make most of the assertions they usually make. The Weeb belief, that the only good media is anime, has pretty much consumed this site, and that was a mentatliy I frankly always despised, even when I was a very new fan 15+ years ago, because I have always been invested in varied media.
Once again, anime fan that thinks all Western fiction is some comedic SJW hit piece. Most SF/F I read doesn't do this, when they have LGBT characters. Most Western story based games I have played don't do this. I am a huge 40k fan and all of that media treats LGBT characters very nonchalantly because no one cares in the dark far future.
I mean if I haven't watched enough have you watched/played or read enough varied Western media, to make such an assertion? Sorry, I highly doubt most of the anime obsessed fans on here actually consume enough media variety to make most of the assertions they usually make. The Weeb belief, that the only good media is anime, has pretty much consumed this site, and that was a mentatliy I frankly always despised, even when I was a very new fan 15+ years ago, because I have always been invested in varied media.
Maybe some do to that degree but a lot of the more extreme either are using hyperbole or are political ideologues as much tourists as those they criticize, but you have to admit there is a lot of bad tokenization and poor characterization and writing these days in some American media in particular that wasnt so much a thing before except in the 90s and then it at least wasnt political pandering for PR profit attempts just meant as a fun thing. Not all American or otherwise Western media is bad, I watch a fair amount less interested these days since so much on streaming services and harder to access that, but it's gotten so distracting when it happens in that way that even my mom who doesnt use social media so she couldnt possibly been exposed to any culture war crap noticed it and like pointing it out how superficial and fake it is. It takes you out of immersion. Most people who are anime fans mentioning such things are only against bad writing from shoehorned in stuff and in case of anime then cultural imperialism too especially when it is cases of telling Japanese what they can and can not make, not against variety in media or diversity all together.
traed said: Yes I am aware, I have watched some shows like Deathko mentioned like Rose of Versailles. It's not whether they exist or not, it's whether you would like to see more. I wouldn't mind seeing more. There has been older ones too but harder for me to remember if I havent watched them fresh traed said: I have watched romances, from pretty much every demographic, sci fi, mecha, fantasy, action, drama etc. Anime from every era, if you go through my list, I would hardly say I am lacking in variety but that is just me. I hardly just pick shows for popularity either lol. I watch plenty of obscure stuff. There isn't a hard number of total but need to watch various genres and themes in general and not only focus on popularity or some other specific thing. traed said: Sure, in some, I don't see that being applied as just some, by most fans here though.but you have to admit there is a lot of bad tokenization and poor characterization and writing these days in some American media in particular traed said: That is the best faith interpretation of that, and I actually used to not only sympathize but agree with it. Now, I have grown to understand that a lot of these positions are coming from bigotry and ignorance as much as they are coming from a genuine point of critique. When CR got bombarded by people saying homophobic shit, for simply adapting a Japanese BL manga, or a CD manga, works that were created without the "EVIL WEST" is your point of argument still applicable? Most people who are anime fans mentioning such things are only against bad writing from shoehorned in stuff and in case of anime then cultural imperialism too especially when it is cases of telling Japanese what they can and can not make, not against variety in media or diversity all together. Again why are you assuming that people saying hey I want more prominent female characters, I want more diverse cultural settings etc it equals how dare you evil Japanese make shows about straight Japanese men? They shouldn't exist. Even if you mandated one anime every season, was "diverse" it literally wouldn't make a dent in the industry. |
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@nirererin i disagree with the "stronger female leads" as this can create some truly cringe scenarios & situations (look at how marvel & DC failed) the period/era of the girl boss & wokeism is fading thank god, the anime industry will look at hollywood & companies like disney & and see how badly they failed with pushing these ideals, bc as any sane person will tell u ..we all know by nature that women/girls are not physically stronger than men ...sorry but that is just truth sorry to burst ur bubble
as for more adult protags ?? for sure bring it on absolutely & we need more smarter mature darker stories/writing
as for more adult protags ?? for sure bring it on absolutely & we need more smarter mature darker stories/writing
| @ItachiDeltaForce wow, what an observation; women can’t be physically stronger than men, so obviously no strong female leads allowed. 'cuz clearly, we all watch anime for strict biology lessons, not for giant robots, magic, or people defying gravity. But hey, sure, a teenage boy smashing gods? that's totally believable. A girl landing a roundhouse kick? Now that’s where we draw the line 👏 And by the way, “stronger” isn’t just about muscles; ever heard of emotional strength? complex characters? But I guess that’s too much nuance for some. |
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@ItachiDeltaForce wow, what an observation; women can’t be physically stronger than men, so obviously no strong female leads allowed. 'cuz clearly, we all watch anime for strict biology lessons, not for giant robots, magic, or people defying gravity. But hey, sure, a teenage boy smashing gods? that's totally believable. A girl landing a roundhouse kick? Now that’s where we draw the line 👏
And by the way, “stronger” isn’t just about muscles; ever heard of emotional strength? complex characters? But I guess that’s too much nuance for some.
And by the way, “stronger” isn’t just about muscles; ever heard of emotional strength? complex characters? But I guess that’s too much nuance for some.
| @nirererin emotional strength? sure whatever floats ur boat im sure it can have its uses in certain genres or situations...but still a little too cringe and pretentious for my tastes |
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@ItachiDeltaForce wow, what an observation; women can’t be physically stronger than men, so obviously no strong female leads allowed. 'cuz clearly, we all watch anime for strict biology lessons, not for giant robots, magic, or people defying gravity. But hey, sure, a teenage boy smashing gods? that's totally believable. A girl landing a roundhouse kick? Now that’s where we draw the line 👏
And by the way, “stronger” isn’t just about muscles; ever heard of emotional strength? complex characters? But I guess that’s too much nuance for some.
And by the way, “stronger” isn’t just about muscles; ever heard of emotional strength? complex characters? But I guess that’s too much nuance for some.
| @nirererin i will sooner believe in magic and giant robots, than a woman as physically powerful as prime Shaq. |
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@nirererin emotional strength? sure whatever floats ur boat im sure it can have its uses in certain genres or situations...but still a little too cringe and pretentious for my tastes
| @ItachiDeltaForce emotional strength is “cringe”? sure, if you think depth is overrated and punches are everything. Enjoy the action replay xD |
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@ItachiDeltaForce emotional strength is “cringe”? sure, if you think depth is overrated and punches are everything. Enjoy the action replay xD
| @nirererin iv seen ur favs...ur in no position to talk about "depth" lol |
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@nirererin i will sooner believe in magic and giant robots, than a woman as physically powerful as prime Shaq.
| @derangedx29 haha, anime physics makes room for giant robots and magic, but a woman with prime Shaq strength! yeah, that’s where they draw the “too wild” line lol. |
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@derangedx29 haha, anime physics makes room for giant robots and magic, but a woman with prime Shaq strength! yeah, that’s where they draw the “too wild” line lol.
| @nirererin yes. Unironically. I will sooner believe the sky is red than a woman able to match Shaq. |
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@nirererin iv seen ur favs...ur in no position to talk about "depth" lol
| @ItachiDeltaForce ohh, ok, so you think "depth" just means dark themes |
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@nirererin iv seen ur favs...ur in no position to talk about "depth" lol
| @ItachiDeltaForce ItachiDeltaForce said: https://myanimelist.net/anime/35180/3-gatsu_no_Lion_2nd_Season, what do you think about this? Isn’t depth enough, or are you just going to call it cringe and pretentious? or is it just a wild take that’s not in my fav list?ur in no position to talk |
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| @derangedx29 magic? sure. mecha? absolutely. Strong woman? whoaaa now, let’s not get unrealistic. |
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@ItachiDeltaForce
ItachiDeltaForce said:
ur in no position to talk
https://myanimelist.net/anime/35180/3-gatsu_no_Lion_2nd_Season, what do you think about this? Isn’t depth enough, or are you just going to call it cringe and pretentious? or is it just a wild take that’s not in my fav list?ur in no position to talk
| @nirererin looking at the cast its full of little girls and a very effeminate emo angsty gen z looking mc, the anime industry has habit of giving them intelligence, speech and worldy awareness that they should not really know at that age so its suspension of disbelief for me, i knew in a few seconds that type of anime is not my cup of tea u want depth watch mushishi ....watch real anime for once |
ItachiDeltaForceJun 15, 12:20 AM
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@nirererin looking at the cast its full of little girls and a very effeminate emo angsty gen z looking mc, the anime industry has habit of giving them intelligence, speech and worldy awareness that they should not really know at that age so its suspension of disbelief for me, i knew in a few seconds that type of anime is not my cup of tea
u want depth watch mushishi ....watch real anime for once
u want depth watch mushishi ....watch real anime for once
| @ItachiDeltaForce so, you didn’t even watch it, but here you are ranting about it. is that supposed to be mature 🤔 |
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@derangedx29 magic? sure. mecha? absolutely. Strong woman? whoaaa now, let’s not get unrealistic.
| @nirererin so explain why women/females are not allowed to serve in the military in a frontline combat role? |
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@ItachiDeltaForce so, you didn’t even watch it, but here you are ranting about it. is that supposed to be mature 🤔
| @nirererin i saw the cast, thats all i need to know to avoid it like the plague once u have more exp and knowledge of anime in general & mature a little youll understand |
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@nirererin looking at the cast its full of little girls and a very effeminate emo angsty gen z looking mc, the anime industry has habit of giving them intelligence, speech and worldy awareness that they should not really know at that age so its suspension of disbelief for me, i knew in a few seconds that type of anime is not my cup of tea
u want depth watch mushishi ....watch real anime for once
u want depth watch mushishi ....watch real anime for once
ItachiDeltaForce said: guess what, i've already watched Berserk, not just the anime but also read the manga. It’s even on my favorites list. But sure, go ahead and ignore that just to make your point look better lolu want depth watch mushishi ....watch real anime for once |
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@nirererin so explain why women/females are not allowed to serve in the military in a frontline combat role?
| @ItachiDeltaForce oh wow, jumping from anime to real-world military policy now? Bold pivot. If we’re basing fiction on real-world rules, should we ban teenage mecha pilots too? or magic high schools? anime isn’t a documentary, it's called fantasy for a reason. |
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@nirererin i saw the cast, thats all i need to know to avoid it like the plague
once u have more exp and knowledge of anime in general & mature a little youll understand
once u have more exp and knowledge of anime in general & mature a little youll understand
| @ItachiDeltaForce ItachiDeltaForce said: ah, classic “judged by the cast without watching” approach. who needs context or story when snap judgments do the trick, right? i saw the cast, thats all i need to know to avoid it like the plague |
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@nirererin i saw the cast, thats all i need to know to avoid it like the plague
once u have more exp and knowledge of anime in general & mature a little youll understand
once u have more exp and knowledge of anime in general & mature a little youll understand
ItachiDeltaForce said: oh cool, wisdom gatekept by age, classic move ngl lolonce u have more exp and knowledge of anime in general & mature a little youll understand |
BilboBaggins365 said: Who said anything about need? It's about want, we can wants lots of things, without people melting down You want what you need? But why matter you can't related to characters unless they are same race as you is the most racist argument ever. Didn't know Jap was a slut huh, good to know. BilboBaggins365 said: You have said data? I mean yeah. I live in Asia. Suppressing sexuality might be true we also don't promote gender politics to brainwash kids. People have to make their decision after certain age you can't force that .. I would also want more Yuri(dc about Yaoi) and there are 1-3 each season now. Yeah low but it's increasing. BilboBaggins365 said: You have spoken to everyone? Not everyone but it's more common for people to long for youth. BilboBaggins365 said: we can't idealize adulthood either? We do that often in the West. Anime does it too Yeah sure, I enjoy too. My only complian compromising high school setting for that. BilboBaggins365 said: Still would works like Planetes, Spice and Wolf, Mushishi or Barakamon be really bad for the industry? Who said that? BilboBaggins365 said: Literally when people talk about this, it's largely young adults, wanting young adult characters and not teens. People in their 20s. But why if 20s & 30s get representation why not 50s & 60s. Dumb loop. I don't mind 20s or 30s in right premise. But I rather not watch show of oldies(over 50). People have different taste, let's agree to disagree🤝 |
nirererin said: But that doesn’t mean other industries or cultures are incapable of writing complex women. Never said that but I only can speak off ones I watch. And simply put even if Hollywood is trying very very hard to push strong women characters they keep failing. It's fact. nirererin said: Also, diversity, whether in race, age, or gender identity, isn’t the enemy of good storytelling. It’s just representation, and it doesn’t automatically make something “trash.” Again never said that just said having representation doesn't turn anything into automatically good because there is racial or gender equality. nirererin said: And inserting a Black or foreign character thoughtfully doesn’t ruin a story. Yeah doesn't I didn't said that either. I said crying about wanting black representation where it's not needed/relevant is just waste for the sake of "equality" is dumb. nirererin said: Escapism doesn’t have to come at the cost of empathy or inclusion and mature stories, They can coexist right? I don't want more mature stories to be removed for only high school animes. But the opposite want to remove/hate everything on the other side. I enjoy both. nirererin said: Gatekeeping anime based on race, age, or identity just limits what it can be I am not in for gatekeeping I am newcomer. But tourists coming with their woke moralist agenda and shaming others isn't what needed for betterment of anime. |
| newgen anime fans :D things really became even crazier after covid... early 2010s was peak com and even the anime were better LET ME GO BACK IN TIME AAAAAAAAAAAA YIKES.... |
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nirererin said:
But that doesn’t mean other industries or cultures are incapable of writing complex women.
But that doesn’t mean other industries or cultures are incapable of writing complex women.
Never said that but I only can speak off ones I watch. And simply put even if Hollywood is trying very very hard to push strong women characters they keep failing. It's fact.
nirererin said:
Also, diversity, whether in race, age, or gender identity, isn’t the enemy of good storytelling. It’s just representation, and it doesn’t automatically make something “trash.”
Also, diversity, whether in race, age, or gender identity, isn’t the enemy of good storytelling. It’s just representation, and it doesn’t automatically make something “trash.”
Again never said that just said having representation doesn't turn anything into automatically good because there is racial or gender equality.
nirererin said:
And inserting a Black or foreign character thoughtfully doesn’t ruin a story.
And inserting a Black or foreign character thoughtfully doesn’t ruin a story.
Yeah doesn't I didn't said that either. I said crying about wanting black representation where it's not needed/relevant is just waste for the sake of "equality" is dumb.
nirererin said:
Escapism doesn’t have to come at the cost of empathy or inclusion and mature stories,
Escapism doesn’t have to come at the cost of empathy or inclusion and mature stories,
They can coexist right? I don't want more mature stories to be removed for only high school animes. But the opposite want to remove/hate everything on the other side. I enjoy both.
nirererin said:
Gatekeeping anime based on race, age, or identity just limits what it can be
Gatekeeping anime based on race, age, or identity just limits what it can be
I am not in for gatekeeping I am newcomer. But tourists coming with their woke moralist agenda and shaming others isn't what needed for betterment of anime.
WaterMage said: Never said that but I only can speak off ones I watch. And simply put even if Hollywood is trying very very hard to push strong women characters they keep failing. It's fact. Hollywood has strong women too from recent, like furiosa from mad max, ani from anora and etc. Good characters come from good writing, not just the medium. |
WaterMage said: Again never said that just said having representation doesn't turn anything into automatically good because there is racial or gender equality. representation doesn’t guarantee a good story, but it can deepen it. look at Aot; strong women and complex characters without tokenism. Or Yuri on Ice, LGBTQ+ done right. Quality and diversity go hand in hand. |
WaterMage said: Yeah doesn't I didn't said that either. I said crying about wanting black representation where it's not needed/relevant is just waste for the sake of "equality" is dumb. representation “where it’s not needed” often means stories miss out on depth and real-world diversity. Inclusion isn’t a gimmick; it’s storytelling evolving tbh. |
WaterMage said: They can coexist right? I don't want more mature stories to be removed for only high school animes. But the opposite want to remove/hate everything on the other side. I enjoy both. exactly, variety is the spice of anime- there’s room for both lighthearted high school fun and deep mature stories. |
WaterMage said: I am not in for gatekeeping I am newcomer. But tourists coming with their woke moralist agenda and shaming others isn't what needed for betterment of anime. being new doesn’t mean dismissing valid calls for inclusion as a “woke agenda.” Anime thrives when it listens, adapts, and evolves, not when it builds walls. |
| Thank God anime is made in Japan. Usually based on manga/light novel and their creators don't have to pay attention to "world trends" or "modern audience". They create what they want and how they want, which is why anime is alive and well, while western animations/comics just die. |
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| Also don't give me that sad story about lack of LGBTHDTV++++ characters. Yuri, Yaoi, Shounen/Shoujo Ai. It existed long before social media and fashion about "me pronounce". |
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Also don't give me that sad story about lack of LGBTHDTV++++ characters. Yuri, Yaoi, Shounen/Shoujo Ai. It existed long before social media and fashion about "me pronounce".
| @Saygram Which makes it obvious the people bitching about Yuri pairings and Yaoi pairings are often tourists themselves. Face it. This entire culture war thing is all about tourism by people who don't actually watch anime |
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@Saygram
Sugoi Japan, the perfect land free of wokism and western media. Japan is a country like every other it's not some agartha that you try to make it seem like. I think you need to get off 4 chan and talk to some real people and maybe then you will see the world as it is. LGBTQ+ in Japan exists, it's not exclusive to western hemisphere. Western animation is also kinda on a rise because of Invincible so your arguments are just disingenuous.
Sugoi Japan, the perfect land free of wokism and western media. Japan is a country like every other it's not some agartha that you try to make it seem like. I think you need to get off 4 chan and talk to some real people and maybe then you will see the world as it is. LGBTQ+ in Japan exists, it's not exclusive to western hemisphere. Western animation is also kinda on a rise because of Invincible so your arguments are just disingenuous.
| @issac9006 its not in Japans interests or benefit to promote gay/queer relationships, as they have a population problem/declining population i mean its there ...but it is very niche |
ItachiDeltaForceJun 15, 3:48 AM
deg said: Catering to an evolving global fandom As anime’s popularity continues to grow across continents and generations, its audience is evolving just as rapidly. While legacy titles and nostalgia still resonate—especially with older fans—younger viewers, particularly women and Gen Z, are calling for broader, more inclusive storytelling. Today, girls make up 44% of teen anime fans, signaling that the genre has firmly outgrown its outdated “boys-only” reputation. These shifts mirror broader cultural movements. Modern fans are seeking diverse protagonists, deeper representation, and fresh narrative perspectives. Nearly 6-in-10 US anime fans want to see more racial diversity in anime, and many are also asking for greater inclusion of LGBTQ+ characters, people with disabilities, and Indigenous cultures. But it’s not just about who is represented—it’s about how. Audiences are voicing a clear desire for more strong female leads (44%) and more adult protagonists (38%), as well as some increased visibility for LGBTQ+ characters (16%). These demands are especially pronounced among younger and female fans, who are actively shaping the future of the genre—not just as consumers, but as critics, creators, and community builders. https://view.ceros.com/nrgmr/crunchyroll-global-state-of-anime/p/1 https://animehunch.com/anime-fans-call-for-stronger-female-leads-amp-adult-protagonists/ makes senses considering there are more gen z or younger anime fans today especially young female fans that grow up with globalism of the internet for example i say most active users here on myanimelist are just old fans and are males also this means that young female anime fans are funding anime more than old male fans like us that pirates more so thoughts? and be civil here please Oh they're asking for more "strong female leads" "adult protagonist" "LGBT anime" ... 2 questions 1) How many people actually took this servey? 2) Out of those people how many of them have watched exclusively mega-popular battle shounen? And i ask this as a fan of battle-shounen I'm gonna guess most of these people have never ventured beyond MHA, Naruto, and DBZ, have never heard of a seinen, have no idea of the existence of BL/GL, and have a very narrow definition of what streangth is To put things in perspective, out of roughly 870 anime in my list, here's how many adult protagonist and/or strong female leads there are (sorry i'm not that into BL/GL so won't comment of that), not including sequels/spinoffs/remakes/shorts Adult
Strong female
Strong and/or adult female
Again, not including sequels/remakes/spinoffs/shorts, 101 series/movies, 50% of which lead or co-lead by women, oh and this is only if you're being picky and only want strong-female leads, cuz there's also series with just your avarage girl leading, just like not every male-lead series is some superhero |
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@Saygram
Sugoi Japan, the perfect land free of wokism and western media. Japan is a country like every other it's not some agartha that you try to make it seem like. I think you need to get off 4 chan and talk to some real people and maybe then you will see the world as it is. LGBTQ+ in Japan exists, it's not exclusive to western hemisphere. Western animation is also kinda on a rise because of Invincible so your arguments are just disingenuous.
Sugoi Japan, the perfect land free of wokism and western media. Japan is a country like every other it's not some agartha that you try to make it seem like. I think you need to get off 4 chan and talk to some real people and maybe then you will see the world as it is. LGBTQ+ in Japan exists, it's not exclusive to western hemisphere. Western animation is also kinda on a rise because of Invincible so your arguments are just disingenuous.
| @issac9006 Nice try kid. But don't pretend you don't understand what I wrote. Funny you mention Invincible, but that's still just one show vs. how many anime? And it's a pretty simple story about aliens on Earth fighting other evil aliens from space. Sorry but for me Viltrumite can't hold a candle to Saiyajin or Frieza-sama. |
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