Does the "death cult mentality" of the anime community mostly comes from people who don't watch anime?

It would probably be beneficial for you to explain what you mean by "death cult mentality" when you ask something like this. I have no clue what you're talking about.

If you just mean the inherent negative bias being a transplant from other communities - possibly, but if anything it isn't the complaints themselves being transplanted, but the desire or empowerment to complain is what's transplanted. People have been doing this shit for ages. It's a common behavior, especially online, for people who feel the need to demonstrate their self-perceived expertise or superiority to the majority (aka average) of people who are not spending a large portion of their time dedicated to whatever field of interest is in question.

Yes there are people who will target certain topics (like pridem month support) to complain about, even if they have no interest in the space their complaint is targeted towards, but I think it's probably safe to say those are small, extreme, terminally online types who make up a very loud and small minority.

The fact that people hype at the idea of having 90% of anime unsubbed in order "to own the other side".

X generally pushes an echo chamber of politics even if you try to avoid it. The flaw with such an experiment is that these defenders of pride are not there to buy the woke slop they seem to defend. A lot of these defense accounts are likely bots/alts.

As an X user I see most human users are there for drama or porn. Gaming community topic is pretty dead in general.

The fact that people hype at the idea of having 90% of anime unsubbed in order "to own the other side".

Most right wing culture warriors have seen very little if not no anime yet act elitist about it i have noticed.

Heck more often than not, when I see a massive MAL, it's usually a lrft wing person. Pronouns and such.

I mean. If you watch that much anime, it's pretty hard to be a conservative.

@derangedx29 Culture warriors are all tourists. Both sides, but the right doesn't get checked nearly as much as they should.

On the left, Hasan Piker gets correctly called out as a tourist, which you can see by the fact that he almost entirely only talks about One Piece, with extremely rare mentions of heavily Westernized anime.

On the right, Rev Says Desu is also a tourist who supports the Texas Anime Ban because his side is doing it. However, he doesn't get called out nearly as much as he should, because he's surrounded by his fellow culture warriors, and assisted by his "bro" Asmongold, who is also an anime hater and culture warrior. I doubt he ever watches any anime. Even back in the day, he just made Reddit-level anime memes.

@ForgotEyeWasHere no the prounoun culture warriors and yurifriends are often times hardcore fans I've noticed.

People outside the anime world see one tearful death scene and suddenly think the whole community’s out here lighting incense and chanting “Pain is power.The “death cult mentality” label is usually thrown around by folks who’ve never made it past Demon Slayer

@RainyEvenings
That... has nothing to do with this topic at all.

What OP's talking about is more along the lines of online culture war politics, sub translation/localization controversies, and Sturgeon's Law; it's not about death scenes in anime (or people's reaction to them).

Granted, OP's point is kinda unfocused and not conveyed very well, but I think you didn't even bother to read past the thread title before posting a reply. You just went by your own loose assumption of what OP might mean by "death cult mentality".

Sifting through your word salad... As someone who did call some behavior "Death Cult-y" before, it was pointed at people who hated the idea of Casual and "tourists" existing in the community so bad that they rather the entire industry crash and burn to remove them. Some of it's "on no the casuals are bring WOKE into the community aaa" culture war crap, but not exclusively.
As for if it's coming from anime fans?... On here, i would say probably? Perhaps lapsed ones who think everything's been going downhill, but they were fans at least once. Which is what made their behavior so baffling to me. Def Not the same as the rage bait addicted right wing culture warriors on Twitter that do nothing but complain.

Wait, is the idea you're suggesting that this "death cult mentality" is in reference to a group of people who wish to basically "kill" the industry in order to achieve some personal goal (in this case making other people upset)? Basically applying the methods of a death cult leader, causing many people to die along with themselves in order to reinforce their own beliefs?

So, eliminate 90% of "unworthy" localizations in order to "own" people who may like all or some of that 90% more than the remaining 10% of anime? Is that what you're referring to in the OP? I think I can finally see your train of logic in your post lol.

To answer the punctuating question in your OP, I think the Death Cult Mentality, as you put it, is a general concept for winning an argument in bad faith. I don't think it was imported from another community, just from a habit of online discourse having a tendency to go nuclear or rely on fallacy to attempt to shut down opposing arguments without exercising much thought.

It is.
I was inspired by BubblegumPatty's thread were a similar term was used.

@thewiru Do you have any response to any of the replies which earnestly attempt to answer your question? I'm always a bit confused in your threads because you tend to let the replies sit unaddressed, so theres rarely an opportunity to get a feel for your stance on the issue, or whether or not you feel the question has been properly addressed.

@BubblegumPatty
I guess it was your thread I remember seeing, then.
Yeah, that was the influence for the title of this one.

Reading is not discussion lol. Back and forth replies is discussion. Your threads almost always amount to call and response with little further engagement by you after the initial posting.


https://myanimelist.net/forum/?goto=post&topicid=2218385&id=72859130
https://myanimelist.net/forum/?goto=post&topicid=2218385&id=72859184

Also my own reply - you replied to this message, but only to specify that I had understood your OP correctly, and you neglected to respond to the part actually responding to the question in your OP:


Also BubblegumPatty's reply, which again you replied to, not to address their response to your question, but again to only clarify that they are who you were talking about:


You basically never engage in any further commentary about the topic. Your replies are all clarifications or confirmations about your OP. I guess you just want to have something to read, not engage in discussions with the people replying? I wouldn't be surprised if your response to this message only addresses this final paragraph of this reply and nothing else above.

That's how discussions work. They do consist of "yes, I do agree with this," comments, perhaps even going further and expanding on your position with additional examples which illustrate why you agree. That offers the opportunity for people to ask further questions and continue conversation - "why do you agree with that if you made XYZ comment in the past which seems contradictory?" or "Since you agree, do you also agree with XYZ idea which is tangentially related?" It's also common and expected for conversation to veer off topic. Off topic subjects can often expose new aspects of the original topic, enriching the original conversation. These are just normal parts of people talking to one another.

Everyone in these threads is replying is replying to you. People express their opinion and are ready for you to agree or disagree. I want to hear why you agree or disagree with my and BubblegumPatty's responses. Yes, argue with krautnelson's definition of an anime fan. Otherwise the conversation goes nowhere.


I'll reinforce and expand: Agreeing and disagreeing with responses is as much a key part of discussions as anything. Expressing your stance, agree or disagree, is necessary for people to further engage with the discussion. If you never say whether or not you agree with someone, there is no opportunity for the dicsussion to develop further. Nobody knows if you agree if you don't say so, which means people have no opportunity to get a idea for what you believe or feel about a topic. This makes it seem like you're not even interested in engaging with the topics you bring up in the first place, which makes every subsequent thread you create seem more and more frivolous.

There's also the fact that there are often contradictory comments from multiple users in a thread which you do not reply to. Given you've stated that you don't reply because you agree, and there are often comments which contradict one another in a thread which also get no interaction from you, how is someone supposed to know which reply you agree with if you don't reply with an agreement? I'm not suggesting you reply to every comment in a thread, as often times there will be redundant replies, but at least giving people some idea of where you stand on a given topic is valuable to the thread's conversational flow.

I guess do whatever you want. Nobody here can stop your current behavior or force it to change. But I will say it's pretty bizarre and frustrating to put effort into replying to what seems like an interesting topic of conversation and have the person who led the topic completely ignores it (seemingly, since we can't see if you've even read the comment) - and this happens over and over.

@valico
Normally I wouldn't respond to this comment, but I'll follow your advice and explicitly say that I agree with it.

It mostly comes from bitter veterans who hate on new anime.

It's because he's fundamentally making these topics for ego validation, not for discussion. There's a certain tone of comment he won't ignore, though...

It's because he's fundamentally making these topics for ego validation, not for discussion. There's a certain tone of comment he won't ignore, though...

@thewiru lol

I'm curious what your thoughts are on your question in the OP

@valico It might just be my algorithm selling me illusions, but lately I feel that the "anti-woke" crowd has been losing strength?
As in, lately, people have been both mocking it's most outspoken names and distancing themselves from them. People have started to use the name "soy right" and compare people that use Frieren as a political argument as to the people who did so with Harry Potter and Star Wars a decade ago.

This kind of "bad optics" made those people be under a little bit more of scrutiny, so I feel that some people might be wanting to ask themselves "Wait, is this really a problem in our community or are just people fighting 'culture wars by proxy' here?". Worse: They do so via "zealot tactics". As in, measures that would make a large part of the industry or anime consumption unviable. So when you learn that you might be making such enormous sacrifice to no gain for yourself... well, you should be pissed, no?
I jokingly call the "Ian Miles Cheong" tactic, since he's a guy that instigates civil war and unrest in the USA... while living in Malaysia.
Or those profiles that are constantly doing similar things and are "coincidentally" funded — directly or indirectly — by Russia.

The thing is that for this one in specific, I don't have enough arguments to say for sure that it is a grift, only that it is similar to grifts. Maybe it's just people addicted to culture wars? IDK, hence why I wanted the opinion of other people.

It's because he's fundamentally making these topics for ego validation, not for discussion. There's a certain tone of comment he won't ignore, though...

@valico It might just be my algorithm selling me illusions, but lately I feel that the "anti-woke" crowd has been losing strength?
As in, lately, people have been both mocking it's most outspoken names and distancing themselves from them. People have started to use the name "soy right" and compare people that use Frieren as a political argument as to the people who did so with Harry Potter and Star Wars a decade ago.

This kind of "bad optics" made those people be under a little bit more of scrutiny, so I feel that some people might be wanting to ask themselves "Wait, is this really a problem in our community or are just people fighting 'culture wars by proxy' here?". Worse: They do so via "zealot tactics". As in, measures that would make a large part of the industry or anime consumption unviable. So when you learn that you might be making such enormous sacrifice to no gain for yourself... well, you should be pissed, no?
I jokingly call the "Ian Miles Cheong" tactic, since he's a guy that instigates civil war and unrest in the USA... while living in Malaysia.
Or those profiles that are constantly doing similar things and are "coincidentally" funded — directly or indirectly — by Russia.

The thing is that for this one in specific, I don't have enough arguments to say for sure that it is a grift, only that it is similar to grifts. Maybe it's just people addicted to culture wars? IDK, hence why I wanted the opinion of other people.