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Kill la Kill is super popular. You might wanna check it out if you haven't already.
| @Yuu_Kanzaki Kill la Kill is OBVIUSOLY not a battle shounen, if it had any demographics it would be more likely seinen . And it's nowhere "super popular" as you would think it is, When it comes to popularity Cutie Honey easily curb stomps, but that's not a battle shounen either. |
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This thread had potential, but then nearly every poster demonstrated that they have no idea what a battle shounen anime is.
First battle shounen with a female protagonist that was popular is called Inuyasha (2000), which is also somewhat of a genre mishmash, so it's debatably a battle shounen and the female protagonist didn't really do much besides spectating the fights. Then there was Soul Eater (2008) and Queen’s Blade (2009).
First battle shounen with a female protagonist that was popular is called Inuyasha (2000), which is also somewhat of a genre mishmash, so it's debatably a battle shounen and the female protagonist didn't really do much besides spectating the fights. Then there was Soul Eater (2008) and Queen’s Blade (2009).
| @TransferUser I'd say Inuyasha is more isekai than battle shounen. |
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@Sasori56483
Mal stats are nowhere a reasonable way to judge a show's poularity. Hokuto no Ken is insanely poular in Japan and inspried many workd that came after it but it's barely known among western anime fans of today.
Mal stats are nowhere a reasonable way to judge a show's poularity. Hokuto no Ken is insanely poular in Japan and inspried many workd that came after it but it's barely known among western anime fans of today.
| @JoeChip Yes, because Railgun is not popular in japan. Stop trying to sell me oil. > I doubt average anime watcher today has even heard of Soul Eater Hokuto no Ken. |
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@JoeChip Yes, because Railgun is not popular in japan. Stop trying to sell me oil.
> I doubt average anime watcher today has even heard of Soul Eater Hokuto no Ken.
> I doubt average anime watcher today has even heard of Soul Eater Hokuto no Ken.
| @Sasori56483 Railgun is not even battle shounen, my boy. I don't expect you to know the difference though. FYI, Fist of the Northstar has many video games , and even a Hollywood movie, with a remake on the way, so it's much more likely for a western anime watcher to know Fist of the Northstar/Hokuto no Ken than Soul Eater. Keep coping. |
JoeChip said: I'd say Inuyasha is more isekai than battle shounen. Technically it's not isekai, since Higurashi Kagome doesn't go to another world. She time travels to the Sengoku period and can also go back to the present whenever she wishes. Isekai involves a different world that the protagonist usually ends up stuck in. But yeah, it's a genre mix. There's some battle shounen, some normal action, some romance, some comedy, some drama, maybe even isekai if you bend the rules of the genre a bit. Also ecchi, tragedy, epic fantasy and there's even a few episodes with school life. If it wasn't needlessly long and had an unsatisfactory ending I'd feel like rewatching it now. Maybe I should give the sequel from 2020 a try after all... |
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JoeChip said:
I'd say Inuyasha is more isekai than battle shounen.
I'd say Inuyasha is more isekai than battle shounen.
Technically it's not isekai, since Higurashi Kagome doesn't go to another world. She time travels to the Sengoku period and can also go back to the present whenever she wishes.
Isekai involves a different world that the protagonist usually ends up stuck in.
But yeah, it's a genre mix. There's some battle shounen, some normal action, some romance, some comedy, some drama, maybe even isekai if you bend the rules of the genre a bit. Also ecchi, tragedy, epic fantasy and there's even a few episodes with school life.
If it wasn't needlessly long and had an unsatisfactory ending I'd feel like rewatching it now. Maybe I should give the sequel from 2020 a try after all...
| @TransferUser I'd still say it's isekai since it can't be really called the same world since everything is different about it, making it another world in a manner of speaking, it's Theseus's Paradox. Same logic can be applied to Ima, Soko ni Iru Boku where the story takes place in 10 billions year in the future of the same world, but many people call it an isekai since the world is completely different. |
JoeChip said: takes place in 10 billions year in the future Then it can't take place on Earth since our sun has at most 8 billion years left before it dies. Maybe even just 5 billion years. And when it does it's not going to be pretty for Earth. Everything will die. If time travel qualified, shouldn't Dr. Stone also be an isekai anime? |
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@Sasori56483
Railgun is not even battle shounen, my boy. I don't expect you to know the difference though.
FYI, Fist of the Northstar has many video games , and even a Hollywood movie, with a remake on the way, so it's much more likely for a western anime watcher to know Fist of the Northstar/Hokuto no Ken than Soul Eater.
Keep coping.
Railgun is not even battle shounen, my boy. I don't expect you to know the difference though.
FYI, Fist of the Northstar has many video games , and even a Hollywood movie, with a remake on the way, so it's much more likely for a western anime watcher to know Fist of the Northstar/Hokuto no Ken than Soul Eater.
Keep coping.
| @JoeChip May you remember you were trying to discard them by popularity (when your question is about if it would be popular). jojo pt6, Soul eater, and so on. So, they are not popular according to your perception. And that should close the question. Hokuto no Ken is to give basis. I bring you numbers, if it is likely or not, people ain't really kin into adding it in their MAL as watched. JoeChip said: but it's barely known among western anime fans of today. JoeChip said: so it's much more likely for a western anime watcher to know Fist of the Northstar/Hokuto no Ken than Soul Eater. And if I go asking in mal now, it is more likely for people to have watched Soul eater. Railgun series is centered around a sequence of battles. And it has a power system. They train. They are ranked. They throw punches, they dodge, they do dumb name special, they painfully talk their fight dynamics. Cope it or not. Those are as objective as I can go being lazy. I'll wait you doing something stronger to fact check your own question. |
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JoeChip said:
takes place in 10 billions year in the future
takes place in 10 billions year in the future
Then it can't take place on Earth since our sun has at most 8 billion years left before it dies. Maybe even just 5 billion years. And when it does it's not going to be pretty for Earth. Everything will die.
If time travel qualified, shouldn't Dr. Stone also be an isekai anime?
| @TransferUser Great idea to apply real lfie logic to a fictional story. And I can see why you rated Ima, Soko ni Iru Boku 1. I haven't wacthed Dr Stone so I can't say. |
JoeChipJun 12, 12:59 PM
| I think it would have a decent chance, but here in the west yeah I could see it probably failing because it's stepping out of too many comfort zone. |
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JoeChip said: It's not logic, just physics. And I get that anime often ignores physics to be cool, but in this case it seems more like ignorance. It could have been one billion years into the future and it wouldn't have mattered. Of course, given evolution humanity likely wouldn't really exist anymore as soon as a hundred thousand years into the future - at least not the way we think of it. But I can suspend my disbelief for that. The sun is going to run out of fuel, though. And when that happens it will become a white dwarf and swallow the Earth in the process. Then it will have a great time destroying all other planets in the solar system. Great idea to apply real lfie logic to a fictional story. And I can see why you rated Ima, Soko ni Iru Boku 1. I rated it lowly because I don't enjoy watching torture porn and NTR. Not my cup of tea. As far as early isekai fantasy anime are concerned I much prefer Strange Dawn. sslick said: You think every shounen anime is a battle shounen? If that was the case people wouldn't bother to add the qualifier. Bro literally cannot read the “shounen” tag on the series, and the fact it was published in a shonen magazine. Fuck off. Sasori56483 said: Yes, but it's not a battle shounen. Your explanation only reveals that you don't really understand what a battle shounen is.Railgun series is centered around a sequence of battles. And it has a power system. They train. They are ranked. They throw punches, they dodge, they do dumb name special, they painfully talk their fight dynamics. Saki is an anime about girls playing mahjong and it's more of a battle shounen than Railgun. JoeChip said: Only because of the memes, though. If it's about which anime people have actually watched from beginning to end and we ask random people on MAL, I'd bet on Soul Eater, since I dropped Hokuto no Ken, but I finished Soul Eater. o it's much more likely for a western anime watcher to know Fist of the Northstar/Hokuto no Ken than Soul Eater. |
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@Zettaiken
As expected from a zoomer with limited intelligence you believe MAL statatistics is a sign of popularity worldwide. Besides, the numbers you wrote came nowhere close to REALLY POPULAR shows, as I SAID in my first post, like One Peice, AOT or Demon SLayer etc., my boy...
As expected from a zoomer with limited intelligence you believe MAL statatistics is a sign of popularity worldwide. Besides, the numbers you wrote came nowhere close to REALLY POPULAR shows, as I SAID in my first post, like One Peice, AOT or Demon SLayer etc., my boy...
| @JoeChip, shana was super popular in the 2000s. it's just been like 20 years lol, there were even shana clones. does symphogear and ikki tousen count? |
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| I think it's possible. I mean, look at anime like Kill la Kill. Of course, I know it's not considered a shounen. But it's an action series and I've only seen male fans of the series. Although, there could be some female fans I don't know about. Some could also attribute the popularity of the series to the fanservice. |
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JoeChip said:
Great idea to apply real lfie logic to a fictional story. And I can see why you rated Ima, Soko ni Iru Boku 1.
It's not logic, just physics. And I get that anime often ignores physics to be cool, but in this case it seems more like ignorance. It could have been one billion years into the future and it wouldn't have mattered. Of course, given evolution humanity likely wouldn't really exist anymore as soon as a hundred thousand years into the future - at least not the way we think of it. But I can suspend my disbelief for that. The sun is going to run out of fuel, though. And when that happens it will become a white dwarf and swallow the Earth in the process. Then it will have a great time destroying all other planets in the solar system. Great idea to apply real lfie logic to a fictional story. And I can see why you rated Ima, Soko ni Iru Boku 1.
I rated it lowly because I don't enjoy watching torture porn and NTR. Not my cup of tea.
As far as early isekai fantasy anime are concerned I much prefer Strange Dawn.
sslick said:
Bro literally cannot read the “shounen” tag on the series, and the fact it was published in a shonen magazine. Fuck off.
You think every shounen anime is a battle shounen? If that was the case people wouldn't bother to add the qualifier. Bro literally cannot read the “shounen” tag on the series, and the fact it was published in a shonen magazine. Fuck off.
Sasori56483 said:
Railgun series is centered around a sequence of battles. And it has a power system. They train. They are ranked. They throw punches, they dodge, they do dumb name special, they painfully talk their fight dynamics.
Yes, but it's not a battle shounen. Your explanation only reveals that you don't really understand what a battle shounen is.Railgun series is centered around a sequence of battles. And it has a power system. They train. They are ranked. They throw punches, they dodge, they do dumb name special, they painfully talk their fight dynamics.
Saki is an anime about girls playing mahjong and it's more of a battle shounen than Railgun.
JoeChip said:
o it's much more likely for a western anime watcher to know Fist of the Northstar/Hokuto no Ken than Soul Eater.
Only because of the memes, though. If it's about which anime people have actually watched from beginning to end and we ask random people on MAL, I'd bet on Soul Eater, since I dropped Hokuto no Ken, but I finished Soul Eater. o it's much more likely for a western anime watcher to know Fist of the Northstar/Hokuto no Ken than Soul Eater.
Weed is confused. What exactly defines them to you guys that it lacks? 3 or more people sharing the power of Friendship? Arc Rivals join up?  TransferUser said: Saki is an anime about girls playing mahjong and it's more of a battle shounen than Railgun. Go ahead, explain your reasoning. |
| I've seen some niche of popularity for Soul Eater among people who care about things like respectful PoC representation in media, in places like Tumblr, Twitter and stuff. I don't know if that is an indicator for something, though. Probably not. |
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Szczelajo said:
"Shy" would be a nice choice if it was popular at all, but yet again, barely anyone watched that.
"Shy" would be a nice choice if it was popular at all, but yet again, barely anyone watched that.
Nice to see someone already mentioned Shy. This is the first thing I thought of as well.
I don't quite understand why so few people watched this. I thought it was charming and decent at being a superhero action anime.
Maybe the gender of the protagonist does hurt these shows. I expect most kids/teens would be fine with a female-led battle shounen, especially these days. Or maybe the show is mediocre regardless.
| @perseii I don't think the gender matters.... it's moreso of her being too idealistic and naive at times. To some people it seems childish. Add to the fact that the main group of villains are all children. One could easily assume it's a kids show and drop it. But i did enjoy it though. A hero is always welcome in my shonen anime. |
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| If you mean "mainstream" like Jujutsu Kaisen or Demon Slayer, then no. But I think a well-written story with a strong female MC could still achieve decent popularity. |
Reply to JoeChip
@Yuu_Kanzaki
Kill la Kill is OBVIUSOLY not a battle shounen, if it had any demographics it would be more likely seinen .
And it's nowhere "super popular" as you would think it is, When it comes to popularity Cutie Honey easily curb stomps, but that's not a battle shounen either.
Kill la Kill is OBVIUSOLY not a battle shounen, if it had any demographics it would be more likely seinen .
And it's nowhere "super popular" as you would think it is, When it comes to popularity Cutie Honey easily curb stomps, but that's not a battle shounen either.
| @JoeChip I just looked it up and turns out yeah Kill la Kill isn't a battle shonen, apparently. It sure does feel like one to me, but okay. What about A Certain Scientific Railgun? It's very good and even better than the Index series imo. |
"Nobody could laugh at someone who's trying their hardest" -Machio- |
Reply to Slooping
No, the extreme energy that comes with the shounen protag does not match with a female mc. If anything, it serves as a turn off away from the series.
It just does not work.
It just does not work.
| @Slooping Gunbuster and Kill La Kill exist, bro Anyway, OP has an insane bar for "popular" given that they discredited Soul Eater |
 Dreams are worth fighting for |
| No, most boys like to self insert as the main character and I find it hard that teenage boys can self insert themselves with a main female lead. I would love to be proven wrong and given a popular new generation female lead battle Shonen tho. I think Akame is the closest to that in popularity. I've met very "normie" anime watchers that mention Akame which always surprises me because who is recommending this bad show to new fans but hey they like it anyway lol. |
Sasori56483 said: Go ahead, explain your reasoning. A core of the battle shounen genre is the protagonist wanting to reach a goal, like becoming the very best at something. And this goal motivates them to improve themselves. Dragon Ball: Son Goku wants to become the strongest. Later on he wants to save his planet from bad guys. One Piece: Monkey D. Luffy wants to become the pirate king. Inuyasha: Fetch quest for a broken Jewel. Naruto: Become Hokage. Bleach: Saving Rukia. In Saki, the protagonist is participating in tournaments to become the best Mahjong player. In Railgun, Misaka Mikoto doesn't really have anything that drives her to get better. She's not even aiming for level six, let alone the story revolving around this goal. |
| cool idea but too many gooners around |
| JoJo Stone Ocean exists and has Jolyne. |
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kamonmabase said: You'd think so, but you'd be wrong.But if a shounen seriess is centered around a main character who is continually challenged by opponents, but had no motivation to participate in those battles other than to end them and get back to their normal life, it would still be a battle shounen despite the mc having no ultimate goal. Evangelion, for example, isn't a battle shounen despite fighting monsters of the day. Neither is Shingeki no Kyojin. kamonmabase said: It's the other way around. The name came after the genre conventions were established. All genres have restrictions, else they wouldn't be genres. If battle shounen wasn't a very specific thing it could just be an action shounen.Seems like a restrictive trait to require battle shounen to have. |
| kill la kill???????????????????? |
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| Ranma is 1/2 female, and fights martial arts battles, so he/she qualifies as popular 50% female battle shounen protagonist I guess. |
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TransferUser said:
You'd think so, but you'd be wrong.
You'd think so, but you'd be wrong.
I do think so, and I'm not. A show about an unmotivated participant who unintentionally gets involved in a combat tournament would be a battle anime, and it including some kind of power escalation element (or some other traditional power fantasy trope) would align it with the shounen demographic. Shounen battle. Character motivation is not a key element, even if it is incredibly common across the most popular shounen battle series (because it's just a good writing technique!).
| @kamonmabase You could also call Otoko-no-ko anime like Boku no Pico BL, because gay sex happens and you'd be just as wrong. |
JoeChip said: I think it can't since battle shounen is too much male oriented There technically are already some very popular battle shounen with female MCs, though they tend to be part of an ensemble cast, but they are also technically the MC as the leader or main hero of the group - Akame ga Kill (Akame) - JoJo part 6 (Jolyne) - Soul Eater (Maka) - Sousou no Frieren (Frieren) - Slayers (Lina) Male MCs in shounene will always be the norm, just as female MCs in shoujo, but that doesn't mean when a female MC is in shounen or vice versa it doesn't work |
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| Yes it could be, the important thing is that the anime is of quality. |
| The top anime on this site is literally a battle shounen with a female protagonist... Dandadan too, although it can be argued it have 2 protagonists which one them is your average mainstream male protagonist. |
Reply to TransferUser
This thread had potential, but then nearly every poster demonstrated that they have no idea what a battle shounen anime is.
First battle shounen with a female protagonist that was popular is called Inuyasha (2000), which is also somewhat of a genre mishmash, so it's debatably a battle shounen and the female protagonist didn't really do much besides spectating the fights. Then there was Soul Eater (2008) and Queen’s Blade (2009).
First battle shounen with a female protagonist that was popular is called Inuyasha (2000), which is also somewhat of a genre mishmash, so it's debatably a battle shounen and the female protagonist didn't really do much besides spectating the fights. Then there was Soul Eater (2008) and Queen’s Blade (2009).
| @TransferUser Inuyasha have a male protagonist, the titular character, hence, the female was only the pov of the story, the pov doesn't necessarily have to be the MC and that trope have been used so many times in many works, it's nothing more than an artistic choice which I don't personally like because it can easily confuse people and cause unnecessary debates about who's truly the MC that I personally despise lol Queen's Blade is a purely fan service anime so it doesn't count too. Idk about Soul Eater as I've never saw any of it but it does look like one. |
Reply to kamonmabase
@TheBerserker I'd say that, despite Ayase being a primary protagonist in Dandadan, she isn't the main character. She is Okarun's #1 supporting character, but the story isn't (up to this point in the anime at least) focused on her.
EDIT: I've gone my entire life with the incorrect understanding that "protagonist" means "good guy" lol and only now looked it up to learn that my understanding was just a misassosiation and not the correct definition. I'll edit this statement as follows:
I'd say that, despite Ayase being a primary protagonist key character in Dandadan, she isn't the main character. She is Okarun's #1 supporting character, but the story isn't (up to this point in the anime at least) focused on her.
EDIT: I've gone my entire life with the incorrect understanding that "protagonist" means "good guy" lol and only now looked it up to learn that my understanding was just a misassosiation and not the correct definition. I'll edit this statement as follows:
I'd say that, despite Ayase being a primary protagonist key character in Dandadan, she isn't the main character. She is Okarun's #1 supporting character, but the story isn't (up to this point in the anime at least) focused on her.
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TheBerserkerJun 13, 11:28 AM
Reply to ProudElitist
@Estefan Ranma is not a shounen, Ranma is a Romcom/Harem/comedy series. I fail to see where and how it is a shounen. Having martial arts/martial artists in it doesn't make it a shounen
| @ProudElitist Ranma IS a shounen anime just not a soft battle shounen, I say soft because the battles, the action itself wasn't the main genre of the anime. Wouldn't call it a harem, tho. |
Reply to JoeChip
@tchitchouan
You should learn what battle shounen means, it does not equal to just any shounen with some action scenes in it. the only anime on that list that can be called battle shounen is Jojo but Jojo part 6 is not really popular as previous Jojo seasons tbh . And Kino no Tabi is nowhere close to being a battle shounen.
You should learn what battle shounen means, it does not equal to just any shounen with some action scenes in it. the only anime on that list that can be called battle shounen is Jojo but Jojo part 6 is not really popular as previous Jojo seasons tbh . And Kino no Tabi is nowhere close to being a battle shounen.
| @JoeChip A battle shounen IS a mainly action/adventure anime, with likely fighting system (which doesn't have to be defined in the anime itself) full of battles (obviously!) and superpowers of all sorts, a fantasy as it usually takes place in a fictional world, usually, not always, and primarily target boys, the term itself is unofficial, so you're practically wrong minus Cutie Honey which is a Magical Girl anime. I won't comment on Kino no Tabi because Idk about it! I do agree the rest minus Frieren and JoJo Part 6 aren't as popular. Most battle shounen throughout time have comedy, what are you even on about, about Dandadan?? Even the top defining anime of battle shounen such as Dragon Ball, One Piece and Naruto have comedy... You're just pointlessly arguing for the sake of argument about JoJo Part 6 and Frieren... Frieren is literally (and the best example out there of) what you originally asked for, it already exists. |
TheBerserkerJun 13, 12:39 PM
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@TheBerserker Ranma is a Romcom with sprinkles of Harem in it. That's basically what Rumiko Takahashi has envisioned during all her career, Romcom series with lots and lots of women going behind few men, few men who are supposed to be us male watchers (of course). The fact that the protagonist turns into the best woman of all the series doesn't mean it's less of an harem, simply the harem extends to the female equivalent of the protagonist. If you want something shounen-like, your best bet are the tokusatsus of the second main writer of the first series (Toshiki Inoue) like his excellent Kamen Riders and Super Sentai, not Ranma 1/2 on itself.
| @ProudElitist Romcom, romance, comedy, harem, sport, action, adventure, supernatural, any genre you want can and do fall into the shounen category as shounen is a demographic as this site itself states, not a genre that means action, battles or whatever, and not all shounen anime are battle shounen, the term battle shounen is unofficial and can be misleading but it refer to anime that are mainly action/adventure and likely fantasy, which can and do fall into other genres too. Ranma isn't a harem and it's closer to a battle shounen (thanks to its action) than a harem, but it's neither, it may have used harem and reverse harem tropes (with both Ranma and Akane being chased by all kinds of suitors) but it wasn't either as none of that was the main focus of the anime, it was mainly a comedy, romcom, yes, which again, doesn't mean it wasn't a shounen. |
TheBerserkerJun 13, 12:43 PM
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@ProudElitist Romcom, romance, comedy, harem, sport, action, adventure, supernatural, any genre you want can and do fall into the shounen category as shounen is a demographic as this site itself states, not a genre that means action, battles or whatever, and not all shounen anime are battle shounen, the term battle shounen is unofficial and can be misleading but it refer to anime that are mainly action/adventure and likely fantasy, which can and do fall into other genres too.
Ranma isn't a harem and it's closer to a battle shounen (thanks to its action) than a harem, but it's neither, it may have used harem and reverse harem tropes (with both Ranma and Akane being chased by all kinds of suitors) but it wasn't either as none of that was the main focus of the anime, it was mainly a comedy, romcom, yes, which again, doesn't mean it wasn't a shounen.
Ranma isn't a harem and it's closer to a battle shounen (thanks to its action) than a harem, but it's neither, it may have used harem and reverse harem tropes (with both Ranma and Akane being chased by all kinds of suitors) but it wasn't either as none of that was the main focus of the anime, it was mainly a comedy, romcom, yes, which again, doesn't mean it wasn't a shounen.
| @TheBerserker Can't just drop "Ranma 1/2 is not a harem, it's a battle shonen" and drop the mic lol. Ranma 1/2 is WAY CLOSER to harem comedy/romcom than to what people generally consider a battle shounen. There's like, no overarching plot at all, it entirely revolves around Ranma dealing with a new fiancee every other episode. The show's pure comedy, and claiming it's not a harem is wild considering harem as we know it has been defined by Rumiko's work on Urusei Yatsura and Ranma 1/2 (and to a lesser extent, Maison Ikkoku) |
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