| For male dominated medium it’s interesting how many seinen/shounen series are actually created by female authors. Majority of the ones I liked are written by women(Dungeon Meshi, Mushishi, Silver Spoon etc). This made me wonder, are there any shoujo or josei titles that are created by male authors, or is that demographic still largely dominated by women? |
| Probably not of at least not that i know of. |
| "are there any shojo/josei created by man?" there must be some... |
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| It's different from typical shoujo, but Tomie was created by Junji Ito. |
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| This is a typical ChatGPT question, at least for me. xD Here the answer: "Great question! While it's true that seinen and shounen manga are often considered male-dominated demographics, many popular series in those categories are indeed created by female authors, as you pointed out (like Dungeon Meshi, Mushishi, Silver Spoon). On the flip side, shoujo and josei manga—targeted mainly at female audiences—are largely created by female authors as well. However, there are examples of male authors working in those demographics, though they're less common. Why is that? Industry and audience expectations: Publishers often associate certain storytelling styles, themes, and art styles with female creators for shoujo/josei and with male creators for shounen/seinen, so there’s some degree of typecasting. Creative preference: Many male authors tend to write in genres they identify with or feel more comfortable in, and vice versa for female authors. Examples of male authors writing shoujo/josei: CLAMP is an all-female group, but there are male authors who write romantic or drama stories targeting female audiences. A notable male author who worked in josei is Fumi Yoshinaga (female, but for reference) — male counterparts are rare but do exist. Sometimes male authors use pen names or collaborate with female artists to create works for female demographics. In summary: The shoujo and josei markets are still largely dominated by female creators. Male authors in those genres are exceptions, not the rule. But the manga industry is diverse and fluid, so cross-demographic authorship is definitely happening, even if less visible." Some people found by ChatGPT 1.Osamu Tezuka – „Princess Knight“ (Ribon no Kishi) 2.Fujio Akatsuka – „Himitsu no Akko-chan“ |
ApfelMyNameJun 10, 4:07 AM
on | distinction is very obvious it seems, same thing can be said about isekai in opposite sense. yeah the topic is pretty one sided, probably would get lock soon. |
| Patalliro (Anime link) is, for some odd reason, the first one to spring to mind. Kinda surprised @Absurdo_N didn't get here first with that answer. |
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| Kaichou wa Maid-sama author is a dude iirc |
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Kaichou wa Maid-sama author is a dude iirc
| @KitsuFrost MAL's page for Fujiwara Hiro says that she's female |
Always the same… Every age, every generation. Human beings are infinitely more cruel and selfish than any demon in hell ~Dantalion (Makai Ouji) |
| I can't think of any in particular, But I do have a fun fact to offer: Cyborg009 was briefly published in a Shojo magazine for some arcs, while otherwise being Shonen. So at least briefly (don't know if has any lesser known shojo entries), Shotaro Ishinomori was a man that wrote a Shojo. |
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| Plenty. Tezuka, Ishinomori, Yokoyama Mitsuteru, Maya Mineo, Shibata Masahiro, Yuzuki Hikaru, Tachihara Ayumi etc. In fact, at the very beginning, shoujo manga were being made primarily by male authors. |
| Women love Jojo's Bizarre Adventures by a man. I am not too savy on knowing shoujo and josei. |
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| it just means shounen magazines are big enough to allow female writers as well while shoujo magazines are dead asf and all the talented women have upgraded to writing in shounen magazines |
| Baka Updates seems to have a tag called Female Demographic with Male Author When ordered by rating, I get at the top Shinrei Tantei Yakumo, something I've been wanting to read like ages ago but forgot. Listed as shoujo. The second is Keishichou Tokuhanka 007, a romance shoujo manga that seems fairly standard, so there you go |
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| Princess Knight by Osamu Tezuka My Next Life As A Villainess by Satoru Yamaguchi Wedding Peach by Sukehiro Tomita Pretty Boy Detective Club by Nisio Isin Sally The Witch by Mitsuteru Yokoyama Sugar Princess by Shosuke Kurakane Akane-chan by Tetsuya Chiba The New Legend Of Snow White by Junichi Sato |
| Pretty sure Nurse Witch Kamugi was made by a dude. And the world is better off because he did! |
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nishant0 said:
male dominated medium
male dominated medium
nishant0 said:
many seinen/shounen series are actually created by female authors
many seinen/shounen series are actually created by female authors
You proved yourself wrong within the same sentence. Manga is NOT a male dominated medium.
And terms like "shounen" and "shoujo" seem quite arbitrary to me. I haven't read a lot of shoujo so I can't say for sure, but it feels like it's mostly about surface level elements. Like shoujo is all romance and shounen is all action.
After reading Sailor Moon, probably the most popular shoujo manga, I noticed countless shounen tropes throughout it. I have also noted some shounen manga, like F. Fujiko's Esper Mami looks more shoujo to me. It left me thinking if there's any real difference between the two?
It's possible that even when men do write "shoujo-esque" stories, it still gets classified as shounen because it's written by a man. Like if Tezuka wrote his stories today, would it get piled along with other shounen just because it's coming from a man?
Edit: I wanted to remove my comment on Sailor Moon, on second thought I realized how stupid that was. Even if Sailor Moon has a lot of shounen tropes, no one will ever mistake it as shounen. It's one of those manga that's distinctly "shoujo". I really don't understand shoujo well enough because I haven't read much.
| @Captain-577 I feel like male still quite majorly covers a large part of manga audience considering the popularity difference between shojo/josei and shounen/seinen. Captain-577 said: ofc you'd notice some troupes in sailer moon, since it seems to be one of the most influential works(haven't seen it myself). It might have created some of those tropes that later became a part of not just shojo, but battle shounen as well.Even if Sailor Moon has a lot of shounen tropes, no one will ever mistake it as shounen. |
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distinction is very obvious it seems, same thing can be said about isekai in opposite sense.
yeah the topic is pretty one sided, probably would get lock soon.
yeah the topic is pretty one sided, probably would get lock soon.
| @nishant0 If you feel that this discussion is one-sided and should be locked, you can report the thread. That might increase the chances of it being locked. |
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| Yeah there are but very rare. For example Tezuka made shoujo/josei typed manga as well but that man did like everything. There are a few others but I can't remember them off the top of my head and I'm too lazy to check my massive lists |
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nishant0 said:
male dominated medium
male dominated medium
nishant0 said:
many seinen/shounen series are actually created by female authors
many seinen/shounen series are actually created by female authors
You proved yourself wrong within the same sentence. Manga is NOT a male dominated medium.
And terms like "shounen" and "shoujo" seem quite arbitrary to me. I haven't read a lot of shoujo so I can't say for sure, but it feels like it's mostly about surface level elements. Like shoujo is all romance and shounen is all action.
After reading Sailor Moon, probably the most popular shoujo manga, I noticed countless shounen tropes throughout it. I have also noted some shounen manga, like F. Fujiko's Esper Mami looks more shoujo to me. It left me thinking if there's any real difference between the two?
It's possible that even when men do write "shoujo-esque" stories, it still gets classified as shounen because it's written by a man. Like if Tezuka wrote his stories today, would it get piled along with other shounen just because it's coming from a man?
Edit: I wanted to remove my comment on Sailor Moon, on second thought I realized how stupid that was. Even if Sailor Moon has a lot of shounen tropes, no one will ever mistake it as shounen. It's one of those manga that's distinctly "shoujo". I really don't understand shoujo well enough because I haven't read much.
Captain-577 said: It's possible that even when men do write "shoujo-esque" stories, it still gets classified as shounen because it's written by a man. Like if Tezuka wrote his stories today, would it get piled along with other shounen just because it's coming from a man? No, because manga are serialized in magazines. If a man writes a story for a shoujo magazine, all the girls who buy the magazine will end up reading the story. |
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Lucifrost said:
No, because manga are serialized in magazines. If a man writes a story for a shoujo magazine, all the girls who buy the magazine will end up reading the story.
No, because manga are serialized in magazines. If a man writes a story for a shoujo magazine, all the girls who buy the magazine will end up reading the story.
I don't really get the point you're trying to make.
What I was trying to say is that I have came across a few shounen series that looked more shoujo than shounen to me. I already mentioned Esper Mami, which is a mahou shoujo manga but it's classified as shounen. Another one I could think of is ongoing manga Witch Watch. It's full on romance comedy with barely any action in it. Reading through it I felt like this will mostly appeal to romcom fans.
Maybe I fell like it because of my lack of proper understanding of shoujo. But idk, maybe anything coming from a male author gets immediately slapped as shounen these days.
| @Captain-577 Witch Watch makes sense if you're familiar with Shinohara, who always writes for Jump. Witch Watch clearly resembles his previous comedy. You keep saying you're not familiar with girl manga, but it sounds like you don't understand boy manga either if you think Witch Watch isn't one. |
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Lucifrost said:
You keep saying you're not familiar with girl manga, but it sounds like you don't understand boy manga either if you think Witch Watch isn't one.
You keep saying you're not familiar with girl manga, but it sounds like you don't understand boy manga either if you think Witch Watch isn't one.
The main focus of the story seems to be the romance between Nico and Moi. It's far more focused on romance than usual shounen. In fact this one ongoing series has more romance than Dragon Ball, Naruto, Bleach, One piece, Yu Yu hakusho, HxH and My Hero Academia combined. I haven't read Sket Dance, was that one also this heavy on the romcom side?
Maybe I am stupid to say that being focused on romance makes it "shoujo-like". But it's definitely different from usual shounen.
| @Captain-577 Witch Watch is more comedy than romance. SKET Dance had similar comedy without romance. And rom coms for boy are far from a novel idea; Urusei Yatsura did it back in the 80s. |
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| A lot of modern shounen by male creators generally highly cater to women in character design despite being labeled shounen/seinen. Jjk Witch Watch Frieren One Piece Bleach AoT Some shounen/seinen by women are mislabeled Apocrypha Diaries (LN is og shoujo) |
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Dauphine said:
Shigatsu wa Kimi no Uso, Horimiya, Ao no Hako, Boku no Kokoro no Yabai Yatsu, Karakai Jouzu no Takagi-san, Aharen-san wa Hakarenai, Tonikaku Kawaii, Tsurezure Children, Bakuman., InuYasha, Mahoutsukai no Yome, etc.
Shigatsu wa Kimi no Uso, Horimiya, Ao no Hako, Boku no Kokoro no Yabai Yatsu, Karakai Jouzu no Takagi-san, Aharen-san wa Hakarenai, Tonikaku Kawaii, Tsurezure Children, Bakuman., InuYasha, Mahoutsukai no Yome, etc.
Damn, I always thought Your Lie in April is shoujo or josei. Didn't know it was published in a shounen magazine. And Blue Box suddenly reminded me of Mitsuru Adachi's works like Cross Game(I haven't read it yet but romance seems to be a major part). There are few mentions that technically count but not really. Like Bakuman. can be technically called romance, but that's more of a side plot.
This kinda brings me back to how arbitrary the terms "shounen" and "shoujo" are. There are stuff created by men that might seem more appealing towards women, but it's not always classified as shoujo.
@rohan121
I don't know what you are smoking if you think JJK "generally highly cater to women"
Captain-577 said: There are stuff created by men that might seem more appealing towards women, but it's not always classified as shoujo Like what for example? Your Lie in April is definitely not particually catered to women even if you think that way. |
JoeChip said: Your Lie in April is definitely not particually catered to women even if you think that way. Idk, I didn't even knew it was serialized in a shounen magazine until now and mistook it for shoujo. My general rule of thumb is the question "what 13 year old me would've said?" If you had shown these covers to 13 year old me, then I would had passed on these manga    |
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