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May 17, 2:26 PM

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Mysterious Girlfriend X is pretty controversial I suppose. Not that it's a popular topic of discussion or anything but when it does come up everyone is all like "ew". I get it, it contains some pretty weird subject matter. But if you can make it past that hurdle, you're in for a treat. There's not a lot of anime I would describe as "cool". Most anime is embarrassingly uncool trash entertainment for nerds.





But Nazo no Kanojo is stylish as hell and fucking cool.

just look at this wicked cover art
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@Tropisch
You people are always saying the most vile shit and get away with it because nobody holds you accountable. Jackasses like you spamming slurs are the reason why some idiots feel emboldened to literally leave death threats on my profile page because not enough is done to curtail anti-lgbt sentiment in this community. Maybe if you stopped actively shitting on people who are different solely for existing people wouldn't be calling you those things
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May 17, 4:02 PM
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Controversial but not regarded as "bad anime" would be Yu-Gi-Oh 5ds. Yes, an anime about a children's card game.
The controversy comes from the VA of Carly, which is in a/part of a cult. They limit her appearance after discovering about the VA's affiliation, they also made a major changes on the story moving forward, If I remember correctly,
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@spectre699 This was proven to be incorrect, see: https://old.reddit.com/r/yugioh/comments/1aequ3a/carlys_original_va_being_in_a_cult_had_nothing_to/
Carly's first seiyuu wasn't discovered to be in a cult until the series was close to being completed.

Back on topic, most ecchi hate is just weird. Like, people hate it because the girls are depicted as attractive and framed through the "male gaze"? What? I could go on but roughly 90% of ecchi hate boils down to some weird petulance while the remaining 10% is overblown genuine concern.
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May 17, 4:34 PM

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Agree with Dragon Maid to the max. Using the word "patriarchy" is perhaps the biggest nothingburger of a manufactured controversy I've ever heard. You can throw in Prison School for similar reason with the "gamergate line"
@KittenCuddler It really hurts the visually impaired who want to see what anime is like in its original form when voice actors add in stupid jokes like that. Many visually impaired people can't read subtitles, so they are forced to watch English dubs, and want to hear something accurate to the original script. It's clear that the people, like yourself, who defend these localizers adding in their Western influence only care about culture wars, and not at all about helping marginalized communities. You only like these localizers because the other side of the culture wars hates them.

Localizers also cut out many LGBTQ+ characters from anime throughout history, like in Sailor Moon. Is that "progressive" now?
May 17, 5:05 PM

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Lazarus definitely has its flaws and is somewhat disappointing, but not as bad as people make it out to be.

Phantom Blood is overhated. Sure, may not be the best part but it's arguably the most important one since it sets up all the other parts.

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May 17, 5:05 PM

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Jojo's part 1 and 2, they are literally so over hated and i dont get why, after part 2, i stopped liking jojo, i dont get how people prefer the episodic monster of the week style of part 3 over part 1 and 2 where the plot is always moving foward without this monster of the week style
@_ohara

It's mostly Phantom Blood that gets the hate, I've never seen anyone hate Battle Tendency.
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May 17, 5:16 PM

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For some reason Frieren is controversial because snowflakes lefties think killing every demon is facist propaganda. Wut?...
There should be 0 controversy about it.

Mushoku Tensie is controversial for sure but way overblown. Some of the reasons for controversy is just dumb-
"Like MT promotes Pedophila"
"Rudues groomed her wifes"
-No having sex with legal age girls doesn't count pEdOphiLiA as previously was just peeping at best.


Also lots of incest romances like Oshi No Ko, Yosuaga no Sora etc...etc.. is overblown controversy because people are mad two fictional character love each other and they are mad about it due to their personal moral standards.
@WaterMage

Ngl, Frieren: Beyond Journey's End has been one of the worst fanbase experiences I've ever been in. You have people who are using the demons as an allegory for immigrants/minorities, and then the people who think it's fascist propaganda because of the evil demons. People just take that series way too seriously most of the time.

Oshi No Ko isn't outright incest per se but there is a lot of incest context which is very uncomfortable to read...which is one of the main reasons why I dropped it.
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May 17, 5:18 PM

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Midori: Shoujo Tsubaki deserves to be seen as more than just hollow schlock, though that seems to be the online consensus around it.
@LoveLikeBlood

I remember first watching the movie when I was 15 and I was just utterly shocked. Like, I saw it as the worst anime ever. But now looking back while it definitely is disturbing, maybe it's not as bad as people say it is?

Though I don't remember much, it's been years since I watched that movie.

BTW: Sorry if I say the same response twice, tried posting this earlier but there was an error.
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May 17, 5:23 PM

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@spectre699 This was proven to be incorrect, see: https://old.reddit.com/r/yugioh/comments/1aequ3a/carlys_original_va_being_in_a_cult_had_nothing_to/
Carly's first seiyuu wasn't discovered to be in a cult until the series was close to being completed.

Back on topic, most ecchi hate is just weird. Like, people hate it because the girls are depicted as attractive and framed through the "male gaze"? What? I could go on but roughly 90% of ecchi hate boils down to some weird petulance while the remaining 10% is overblown genuine concern.
@TheMechaManiac

I don't know how representative my views are compared to most people who aren't fans of the genre, but the majority of my personal distaste for ecchi has to do with how a lot of it plays into non-consensual tropes. A lot of it doesn't really portray healthy sexuality and actively does creepy things that feel exploitative of the characters instead of being more tasteful and respectful of their boundaries. The "male gaze" lens of analysis is just one way of explaining people's distaste in the genre but there's a lot more nuance in people's views than you'd think.
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May 17, 5:39 PM
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Mushoku tensei is just a piece of fiction. It's not deserving of its foul reputation.

Sports_Friday said:
100% dragon maid, the most random shit to hate on when it's just some cute funny dragon girls with peak kyoani production
Of all KyoAni shows I enjoyed it the most.

Iamgirl said:
It is by far the best portrayal of social anxiety I have ever seen.
My headcanon is that Tomoko has some kind of neurodivergence which manifests itself in the social anxiety.

thewiru said:
Just because the ending sucked, it doesn't mean that the rest of the anime wasn't good.
There's a huge issue in the anime community of people discounting an entire show for a poor ending.



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Code Geass has the most forced hate I've ever seen.
May 17, 6:32 PM

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Yosuga no sora. The story is about incest, what would you expect when incest airs on TV. Seems that airing Mondays at 23:30 was still too early for some people. Or maybe it was foreign airing times, whatever.
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May 17, 6:48 PM

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@DarkFirefly72 I'll try it again someday, but when I watched part 3, it made me drop part 4, because Im just not into the monster of the week style as someone who likes to watch anime fast, its tiring and repetitive. But now that I know what to expect, I'll change my approach and perspective.
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I dislike parts 3, 5, and 7 but I think 4 and 6 are better.
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May 17, 6:52 PM

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@_ohara worst take of all time award. jojo part 1 and 2 are monster of the week and they include shitty training arcs and 2 even has generic ahh shounen rematches. you only assume they aren't because the parts were too shitty for araki to make them full length ergo they are nothing beyond a quick kenshiro ripoff.
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the parts were too shitty for araki to make them full length ergo they are nothing beyond a quick kenshiro ripoff.

Even so, that 1 and 2 ended before I could tire of them leaves them among the better Jojo parts.
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May 17, 6:57 PM

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In the sense that most of this thread seems to be interpreting the question, I would say "All of them, no anime deserved that type of controversy".
Granted, I'm the guy who unironically defends that thinking that incest should be illegal is fascism, so I'll defend Watashi no Oshi wa Akuyaku Reijou for having the balls to say that, yes, incestuous relationships are like homosexual relationships.

Using other interpretations:
Mahou Shoujo Lyrical Nanoha StrikerS:
People saying that the largest selling Nanoha anime "killed the franchise" is laughable. Yes, it has an extremely unorthodox structure and the first 7 episodes are a slog, but it's a good anime overall.

Wonder Egg Priority:
Just because the ending sucked, it doesn't mean that the rest of the anime wasn't good.

Domestic na Kanojo:
I have no idea why people hate this one.

Darling in the FranXX:
People are absolute crybabies for this one.
"Oh, but muh first half-" THE FIRST HALF FUCKING SUCKED, PLOTLESS MONSTER OF THE WEEK GARBAGE, episode 12 and beyond it's where it got good, but your worme-riddled brains couldn't accept this because "WHERE'S MUH AKSHUN SCENES", I guess all the losers who said that at the time must be watching Solo Leveling right now. Yes, episodes 22 and 23 sucked, but episode 24 was very good.

Boku dake ga Inai Machi:
"LE NTR XDXDXDXD", grow up.

Mirai Nikki (TV):
I don't understand why people hate this one either.

Sword Art Online:
Most criticism against the original one is CinemaSins-level slop and misinformation.
thewiru said:
Wonder Egg Priority:
Just because the ending sucked, it doesn't mean that the rest of the anime wasn't good.

I think even saying the ending sucks is misleading, because the show doesn't have an ending.
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May 17, 7:05 PM

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thewiru said:
Wonder Egg Priority:
Just because the ending sucked, it doesn't mean that the rest of the anime wasn't good.

I think even saying the ending sucks is misleading, because the show doesn't have an ending.
@Lucifrost

Vacuous truth

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In mathematics and logic, a vacuous truth is a conditional or universal statement (a universal statement that can be converted to a conditional statement) that is true because the antecedent cannot be satisfied.[1] It is sometimes said that a statement is vacuously true because it does not really say anything.[2] For example, the statement "all cell phones in the room are turned off" will be true when no cell phones are present in the room. In this case, the statement "all cell phones in the room are turned on" would also be vacuously true, as would the conjunction of the two: "all cell phones in the room are turned on and turned off", which would otherwise be incoherent and false.
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@Lucifrost

Vacuous truth

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In mathematics and logic, a vacuous truth is a conditional or universal statement (a universal statement that can be converted to a conditional statement) that is true because the antecedent cannot be satisfied.[1] It is sometimes said that a statement is vacuously true because it does not really say anything.[2] For example, the statement "all cell phones in the room are turned off" will be true when no cell phones are present in the room. In this case, the statement "all cell phones in the room are turned on" would also be vacuously true, as would the conjunction of the two: "all cell phones in the room are turned on and turned off", which would otherwise be incoherent and false.
@thewiru
I said it was misleading, not false.
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@thewiru
I said it was misleading, not false.
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I know, but it reminded me of that article, so I had to post it.
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Everything is a controversy these days by anyone who wants to feed off attention for nothing of value.
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@TheMechaManiac

I don't know how representative my views are compared to most people who aren't fans of the genre, but the majority of my personal distaste for ecchi has to do with how a lot of it plays into non-consensual tropes. A lot of it doesn't really portray healthy sexuality and actively does creepy things that feel exploitative of the characters instead of being more tasteful and respectful of their boundaries. The "male gaze" lens of analysis is just one way of explaining people's distaste in the genre but there's a lot more nuance in people's views than you'd think.
@LSSJ_Gaming i mean I personally don't like it because I just am not in the mood for that when I watch anime yk

anyways, have ta'ang propaganda since this thread's getting heated

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@LoveLikeBlood

I remember first watching the movie when I was 15 and I was just utterly shocked. Like, I saw it as the worst anime ever. But now looking back while it definitely is disturbing, maybe it's not as bad as people say it is?

Though I don't remember much, it's been years since I watched that movie.

BTW: Sorry if I say the same response twice, tried posting this earlier but there was an error.
@Fukoku

I also saw it for the first time in high school and hated it. Revisited on a whim in my early 20s and was able to appreciate what it was going for a lot more. It's a pure, unfiltered artistic depiction of trauma.
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Lazarus definitely has its flaws and is somewhat disappointing, but not as bad as people make it out to be.

Phantom Blood is overhated. Sure, may not be the best part but it's arguably the most important one since it sets up all the other parts.

@Fukoku Lazarus just got overhyped and was treated like the second coming of Cowboy Bebop. And then peoplle got pissed since it does not appear to meet Bebops's quality.
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For some reason Frieren is controversial because snowflakes lefties think killing every demon is facist propaganda. Wut?...
There should be 0 controversy about it.

Mushoku Tensie is controversial for sure but way overblown. Some of the reasons for controversy is just dumb-
"Like MT promotes Pedophila"
"Rudues groomed her wifes"
-No having sex with legal age girls doesn't count pEdOphiLiA as previously was just peeping at best.


Also lots of incest romances like Oshi No Ko, Yosuaga no Sora etc...etc.. is overblown controversy because people are mad two fictional character love each other and they are mad about it due to their personal moral standards.
WaterMage said:
For some reason Frieren is controversial because snowflakes lefties think killing every demon is facist propaganda. Wut?...
There should be 0 controversy about it.
The funny thing is that the point Frieren is making is that snowflake lefties are the perfect tools for fascists, which the snowflakes then prove by complaining about Frieren being fascist propaganda. It's glorious, really.

Mars Attacks! make the same point in a similar way, but for laughs.
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Jojo's bizarre adventure Part 1 and 2, Especially part 1. They're both great parts that are underrated
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Lazarus definitely has its flaws and is somewhat disappointing, but not as bad as people make it out to be.

Phantom Blood is overhated. Sure, may not be the best part but it's arguably the most important one since it sets up all the other parts.

@Fukoku Phantom Blood having a pretty subpar adaptation in the anime next to a great adaptation of Battle Tendency doesn't really help its reputation. The manga I think of Phantom Blood was pretty good but the anime crippled it by cutting out content (like Danny's whole backstory) and having a very weird ugly artstyle that does not correspond with the one from the manga.
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I think every controversial anime don't deserve their bad reputation. Anime is a form of art and it should be appreciated. But that doesn't mean you can't unsee problems that will make you uncomfortable in some anime you watch. And that's okay, because everyone has their tastes ^^ Make love, not war.

PS: The worst thing you can do to an entertainment media? Don't give them attention. Ragebaiting is useless because you give the medium attention.
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Sword Art Online has always been one of those anime people love to hate, and honestly, I never really understood why.
For me, it was one of the first shows that got me thinking deeply about virtual identity, trauma, and how real emotions can exist in a digital space.
Sure, Kirito is overpowered, and some arcs felt rushed, but the emotional core—especially in arcs like Mother’s Rosario—really hit me.
I think it deserves more credit for what it tried to explore, even if it wasn’t perfect.
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Sword Art Online has always been one of those anime people love to hate, and honestly, I never really understood why.
For me, it was one of the first shows that got me thinking deeply about virtual identity, trauma, and how real emotions can exist in a digital space.
Sure, Kirito is overpowered, and some arcs felt rushed, but the emotional core—especially in arcs like Mother’s Rosario—really hit me.
I think it deserves more credit for what it tried to explore, even if it wasn’t perfect.
@YuriYilzlize SAO was simply hated it because it was the cool and hip thing to do for people to look cool to others (in their belief) and everyone band wagoned to the hate train to get recognition.
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@YuriYilzlize SAO was simply hated it because it was the cool and hip thing to do for people to look cool to others (in their belief) and everyone band wagoned to the hate train to get recognition.
@Tropisch Yeah, I get what you’re saying about SAO getting hate because it was trendy to do so. That’s definitely a thing with a lot of popular shows. But for me, I try to separate the hype and the bandwagon from my own experience watching it.
I’ve seen plenty of anime that get slammed just because they’re popular, not always because they’re bad. And honestly, SAO had moments and themes that really stuck with me beyond the surface level coolness.
So even if some people hated it just to fit in, that doesn’t change how the story affected me personally. Everyone’s experience is different, and that’s what makes anime discussions interesting.
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@Fukoku Lazarus just got overhyped and was treated like the second coming of Cowboy Bebop. And then peoplle got pissed since it does not appear to meet Bebops's quality.
@Hiyajo-san Cowboy Bebop is one of my favourite anime. I've not been disappointed in Lazarus.

Controversial for me that doesn't deserve it is probably Interspecies Reviewers. As someone who isn't a fan of ecchi and fanservice in general (mainly due to execution) I actually enjoyed it. It had it's comedy elements but it also treated it's characters as consenting participants.
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I'm gonna get myself killed for this, but people that hates Kanojo, Okarishimasu/Rent-A-Girlfriend are really fucking stupid and petty when it comes to fanservice.

I personally think the anime's good. Yeah, the first season had an rocky start with Kazuya being an dick at times, but atleast the story progresses further and i do get to understand Kazuya's good intentions.

There's so many overhated anime, but this one and the hate people have for this one anime is exaggerated and i think it doesn't deserve the hate it gets.
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I'm kind of surprised no one mentioned Elfen Lied. It caused an absolute shitstorm, at least here in the US, when it got released. Because people back then thought of anime as Sailor Moon and Hello Kitty and weren't ready for that level of violence and sexuality. When there had already been titles a lot more schlock shock come out way before it. Just no one had any clue they existed before then. It gave everything anime a black eye in many people's opinion.
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I'm gonna get myself killed for this, but people that hates Kanojo, Okarishimasu/Rent-A-Girlfriend are really fucking stupid and petty when it comes to fanservice.

I personally think the anime's good. Yeah, the first season had an rocky start with Kazuya being an dick at times, but atleast the story progresses further and i do get to understand Kazuya's good intentions.

There's so many overhated anime, but this one and the hate people have for this one anime is exaggerated and i think it doesn't deserve the hate it gets.
@Diogo_Gomes_1995 the premise is not bad at all, but the NTR fantasies are completely out of place and break immersion. It also degenerstes into a forever running telenovela over time due to the author wanting to milk the fans for as long as possible. So, hate is too strong a word, but i personally can understand people getting tired of it.
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@KittenCuddler It really hurts the visually impaired who want to see what anime is like in its original form when voice actors add in stupid jokes like that. Many visually impaired people can't read subtitles, so they are forced to watch English dubs, and want to hear something accurate to the original script. It's clear that the people, like yourself, who defend these localizers adding in their Western influence only care about culture wars, and not at all about helping marginalized communities. You only like these localizers because the other side of the culture wars hates them.

Localizers also cut out many LGBTQ+ characters from anime throughout history, like in Sailor Moon. Is that "progressive" now?
@ForgotEyeWasHere It never was that serious though, and you are overreaching the intent of the translators there. The word "patriarchy" may be more naturalized in Western than Eastern societies -highly doubt it, though- but just because you feel it's so politically charged it can't be handled in a casual conversation doesn't mean it can't.

Also, localizers commit mistakes or make weird decisions sometimes. Just adding a word you feel is "too woke" is on the lower end compared to changing the entire script to insert local pop culture references like some series I watched dubbed as a child. Not to mention that, when fansubs were more prevalent, translations could be far more creative than they are now and we all swallowed them anyway. I think it's definitely not the big controversy it's made up to be.

As for the Sailor Moon issue, I see it less as a controversy and more as a sad sign of the times it was in.
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@Fukoku Lazarus just got overhyped and was treated like the second coming of Cowboy Bebop. And then peoplle got pissed since it does not appear to meet Bebops's quality.

I wouldn’t say overhyped.

Shinichiro Watanabe is a great director known for Cowboy Bebop, Samurai Champloo, Space Dandy, and others. People were likely just expecting another banger.
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One punch man season 2.
Yes, the animation of season 2 isn't as fluid, they had a smaller budget to work with, it's a different studio involved etc...and it's not as good as the first season, no one will deny that. But the plot was still fine and it was still pretty funny. It's very overhated and there was a huge overreaction from the fanbase. I can understand their disappointment to a degree but it is far from the worst anime on earth.
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@LSSJ_Gaming i mean I personally don't like it because I just am not in the mood for that when I watch anime yk

anyways, have ta'ang propaganda since this thread's getting heated

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@LSSJ_Gaming i mean I personally don't like it because I just am not in the mood for that when I watch anime yk

Yeah that's fair tbh. NSFW content isn't for everyone so if its not to your taste it is completely valid to avoid it
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For some reason Frieren is controversial because snowflakes lefties think killing every demon is facist propaganda. Wut?...
There should be 0 controversy about it.

Mushoku Tensie is controversial for sure but way overblown. Some of the reasons for controversy is just dumb-
"Like MT promotes Pedophila"
"Rudues groomed her wifes"
-No having sex with legal age girls doesn't count pEdOphiLiA as previously was just peeping at best.


Also lots of incest romances like Oshi No Ko, Yosuaga no Sora etc...etc.. is overblown controversy because people are mad two fictional character love each other and they are mad about it due to their personal moral standards.
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For some reason Frieren is controversial because snowflakes lefties think killing every demon is facist propaganda. Wut?...
There should be 0 controversy about it.


I don't there there should be a controversy, and to be honest I didn't see much outrage. But it definitely deserves to be singled out for garbage writing. the way it handled demons was crap, and it started the slow descent of Frieren from the heights of wholesome and contemplative fantasy tale to the depths of generic fantasy battle shonen.
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@ForgotEyeWasHere It never was that serious though, and you are overreaching the intent of the translators there. The word "patriarchy" may be more naturalized in Western than Eastern societies -highly doubt it, though- but just because you feel it's so politically charged it can't be handled in a casual conversation doesn't mean it can't.

Also, localizers commit mistakes or make weird decisions sometimes. Just adding a word you feel is "too woke" is on the lower end compared to changing the entire script to insert local pop culture references like some series I watched dubbed as a child. Not to mention that, when fansubs were more prevalent, translations could be far more creative than they are now and we all swallowed them anyway. I think it's definitely not the big controversy it's made up to be.

As for the Sailor Moon issue, I see it less as a controversy and more as a sad sign of the times it was in.
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Just adding a word you feel is "too woke" is on the lower end compared to changing the entire script to insert local pop culture references like some series I watched dubbed as a child.
When did I say anything about "woke"? I oppose all inaccurate translations and censorship, like removing LGBTQ+ characters. I also am opposed to Americanizing every anime, like 4kids did in the past, and like Crunchyroll, HiDive, and localizers like Katrina Leonoudakis all do now. Katrina also cheered about a feminine man in a manga being turned into a trans woman, which is erasure and promotes gender conformity.

I also noticed how you wrote two paragraphs about the "patriarchy" line, and only one sentence about cutting out LGBTQ+ characters. I hope you know that literally nobody in the world was helped by that line. Maybe they should go and do something that actually helps women?
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Just adding a word you feel is "too woke" is on the lower end compared to changing the entire script to insert local pop culture references like some series I watched dubbed as a child.
When did I say anything about "woke"? I oppose all inaccurate translations and censorship, like removing LGBTQ+ characters. I also am opposed to Americanizing every anime, like 4kids did in the past, and like Crunchyroll, HiDive, and localizers like Katrina Leonoudakis all do now. Katrina also cheered about a feminine man in a manga being turned into a trans woman, which is erasure and promotes gender conformity.

I also noticed how you wrote two paragraphs about the "patriarchy" line, and only one sentence about cutting out LGBTQ+ characters. I hope you know that literally nobody in the world was helped by that line. Maybe they should go and do something that actually helps women?
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I also noticed how you wrote two paragraphs about the "patriarchy" line, and only one sentence about cutting out LGBTQ+ characters. I hope you know that literally nobody in the world was helped by that line. Maybe they should go and do something that actually helps women?

It's crazy that americans thought fucking your cousin was more socially acceptable than being lesbian. Them crazy bible belters 😂

Really gotta watch s2 and s3 of Sailor Moon... I caught glimpses of it when I was a kid, it looked somewhat cool, but S1 was weak af.
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@JoeChip it has incest romance elements you like it or not.

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@WaterMage Which might those be? I watched the show twice and saw no such inclinations.
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jal90 said:
Just adding a word you feel is "too woke" is on the lower end compared to changing the entire script to insert local pop culture references like some series I watched dubbed as a child.
When did I say anything about "woke"? I oppose all inaccurate translations and censorship, like removing LGBTQ+ characters. I also am opposed to Americanizing every anime, like 4kids did in the past, and like Crunchyroll, HiDive, and localizers like Katrina Leonoudakis all do now. Katrina also cheered about a feminine man in a manga being turned into a trans woman, which is erasure and promotes gender conformity.

I also noticed how you wrote two paragraphs about the "patriarchy" line, and only one sentence about cutting out LGBTQ+ characters. I hope you know that literally nobody in the world was helped by that line. Maybe they should go and do something that actually helps women?
@ForgotEyeWasHere Well, now you are being a little insincere, aren't you? Because you are reproducing point by point the arguments of those who were offended by the inclusion of the word "patriarchy" (which as far as I'm concerned is just a regular localization choice, and not any more radical than shit we swallow regularly both in official and fan translations), and also going to the extent of claiming that they were trying to start a culture war (¿?), now saying that they were trying to help the world with that? Come on, it's just a localized line from a niche cutesy horny anime.

The issue with the LGBTIQ+ erasure in things like the Sailor Moon dub is that it was censorship. It's not controversial now because it was the product of its time and now we are far past that, or so I hope. There are other potential modern controversies, I just don't think it's worth discussing whether a now universally appalled (and laughed) decision is controversial or not.

@Deathko During the Franco dictatorship in Spain, they tried to censor the adulterous relationship in the movie Mogambo, by rewriting them as siblings. They of course kiss and make out.
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@WaterMage Which might those be? I watched the show twice and saw no such inclinations.
@Hr1s7i won't be shown until S4 if it happens. But during manga release it caused huge controversy. And it was very widespread that it was hard not to know.
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For some reason Frieren is controversial because snowflakes lefties think killing every demon is facist propaganda. Wut?...
There should be 0 controversy about it.


I don't there there should be a controversy, and to be honest I didn't see much outrage. But it definitely deserves to be singled out for garbage writing. the way it handled demons was crap, and it started the slow descent of Frieren from the heights of wholesome and contemplative fantasy tale to the depths of generic fantasy battle shonen.
@Deathko why a fantasy anime based on medival europe with demons will be wholesome. Humans have practically no defence against them except recently when magic is now studied heavily.

Showing stark reality of the harsh world isn't generic.
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@Deathko why a fantasy anime based on medival europe with demons will be wholesome. Humans have practically no defence against them except recently when magic is now studied heavily.

Showing stark reality of the harsh world isn't generic.
@WaterMage I don't think I agree with it being "stark reality", but this controversy felt quite weird. There are many stories out there that explore demons as characters of complicated morality. Frieren doesn't owe us that, demons are an amoral threat in that anime. They just imitate human emotions for their surviving purposes.

I am inclined to side with Deathko on that it turned a bit too much toward a generic battle shonen scenario. But I thought the last arc was a lot of fun anyway, so no complaints from me.
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@WaterMage I don't think I agree with it being "stark reality", but this controversy felt quite weird. There are many stories out there that explore demons as characters of complicated morality. Frieren doesn't owe us that, demons are an amoral threat in that anime. They just imitate human emotions for their surviving purposes.

I am inclined to side with Deathko on that it turned a bit too much toward a generic battle shonen scenario. But I thought the last arc was a lot of fun anyway, so no complaints from me.
@jal90 why it matters if it's generic for one arc. Even if it is Aura battle was still unique on its own. Every good anime would still have some generic part.
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@jal90 why it matters if it's generic for one arc. Even if it is Aura battle was still unique on its own. Every good anime would still have some generic part.
@WaterMage I mean, I loved it, it was a lot of fun. But it was definitely a change of pace.
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Interspecies reviewers, It's literally one of the funniest anime of all time and didn't do anything remotely harmful, but as long as there's not excessive hate speech or ect phobic plastered all over a series, anything sexual doesn't deserve controversy it's pixels on the monitor i.e redo of healer doesn't deserve either

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