| Yeah. This Gatekeeper mentality is one of the reasons why every normal person is looking at Anime Fans like we're all weirdos xD Let them all join in! Even if you only liked AoT. Come and enjoy Anime with us. It's great, imo. |
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| I came in 2022 and I sure as hell ain't leavin. Also AoT is shit |
| Can I Still Go To Heaven If I Kill Myself? |
| It is ok to start watching anime at any time aslong as they are not being disrespectful to the medium and the culture |
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| I've experienced both (got into anime in 1998, started watching "currently airing anime" in late 2003, if we're using that as some kind of "real fan" membership card), and I strongly prefer the community being larger. I don't miss the days when it was tiny and mostly homogeneous, the majority made "anime fan" their entire personality, and it was somehow even more snobby and exclusionary that it is now. It's so much better now, even if it's not perfect. Lots of variety and diversity in who makes up the community, and lots of casual fans and excited kids who just want to watch something neat and have fun with it. I'd take that over the way it used to be any day. |
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derangedx29 said: If you only found "currently airing anime" during Attack on Titan or afterwards. Get out. No, I don't think I will. If you don't like new people like me here, maybe you can remove yourself? That would be easier than removing a bunch of other people that aren't you. I'm staying, because I'm enjoying it here, and whether you're here or not makes no difference to me. |
| I prefer communities being tighter knit rather than large with conflict. Not like everyone's opinion is even worth reading anyway and it can be a lot of posts to go through in the hundreds sometimes. Larger is only useful for gathering straight information since it increases odds someone knows the answer |
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| No because I am not an idiot that wants to hurt the industry for no reason, beyond snobbishness, and hypocritical xenophobic fear. |
| This kind of post is one that makes newbies keep stomping their feet and wailing arms and not talking about anime and mingling. They become that japanese girl from 12 Kingdoms planning to kill Youko because she doesn't feel accepted in the new place. You know what was different before? We grouped with anyone because it was rare to find people into the hobby, so you put effort into connecting with most of them. |
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@BilboBaggins365 the long term effects of westerners trying to impose on anime will be far worse than anything you can ever imagine.
Cultural imperialism from deranged feminists and conservative Christians won't look pretty.
Cultural imperialism from deranged feminists and conservative Christians won't look pretty.
derangedx29 said: Right now, 50% of the industry is being funded by international funding, please tell me what has substantially changed about anime? All I see is the same content, more sequels, more shows in general. So yeah instead, let's kill that, and ensure that the 40% of studios in the red lose half of their funding, so we can go back to the late 2000s, when I was a kid watching anime, where the narrative was the industry is dying, because it was literally contracting.the long term effects of westerners trying to impose on anime will be far worse than anything you can ever imagine. I would love to see 40% of anime studios literally close up shop. That would be awesome! Literally only anime fans would advocate for something so fucking dumb. derangedx29 said: You really think heavily politically involved people don't exist in Japan too lol? Makoto Yukimura the creative behind Vinland Saga and Planetes is more of a feminist than a lot of Western writers I have recently read. The vast majority of international anime fans, yourself include I imagine, aren't whatever strawman you want to create either. Cultural imperialism from deranged feminists and conservative Christians won't look pretty. Most of the stuff you see coming out of the West "targeting" anime isn't even targeting anime. Anime is usually just caught in the crossfire, as religious conservatives target Only Fans or some other unrelated thing. These people don't even know your Japanese cartoons exist lol. |
BilboBaggins365May 14, 6:39 PM
| No, thank you. I'm actually quite contemptuous of snobby elitists and gatekeepers. So, if anything, I'd prefer the community to be flooded with more and more casuals and tourists every year, if only just because i know it pisses off the lot of you and that brings me joy. |
OrororurandoMay 14, 6:44 PM
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@BilboBaggins365 what the fuck is the point of endless MORE? When we see quality is going down lmao. That's why popular shows get so many delays.
MORE MORE MORE. Are you going to watch them all? No you aren't.
MORE MORE MORE. Are you going to watch them all? No you aren't.
derangedx29 said: Define quality lol? You really think the shows being canned are going to be the generic isekai, battle shonen and rom coms lol? No, it's going to be works like Pluto, the Ghost in the Shell remake, new Mononoke film, Spice and Wolf remake, Vinland Saga, nicher films like Inu-Oh that are going to struggle. Committees are going to pick the safe options to weather the financial crisis and the safe options are all the stuff whiny anime fans complain about.what the fuck is the point of endless MORE? When we see quality is going down lmao. derangedx29 said: No I am not, however, I also realize that MORE MORE MORE is probably also allowing for content I like to actually get made, because they are seen as risk shows. The fact there is so much money though is probably allowing studios to be like eh.... why not, and make content I like. If the money dries up, is that getting made? No. MORE MORE MORE. Are you going to watch them all? No you aren't. Also the solution to overwork isn't to literally torpedo the industry, so the talent literally leaves lol. People talk about the video game crash like it somehow reset the gaming industry. It didn't. The Western games industry was fucked, and the still thriving Japanese games industry saved it. If you want anime to die so Donghua, French/Western animation or a new Korean focus industry takes over, be my guest, cause that is what a severe contraction of anime would actually do lol. Edit: Again I don't care you guys are literal morons. It's also funny the most anime obsessive fans, advocate for this shit. Look I would be upset if new anime stopped coming out consistently however, I have a backlog, I have other hobbies. You guys would be the most effected. You should stop advocating for dipshit ideas, that would only undermine the anime industry as a whole lol. There is not a fanbase out there that wants to see their hobby implode in popularity. |
BilboBaggins365May 14, 6:47 PM
| Anime community... what is your definition of it? Is it only the MAL forums? Does it include anitubers? Does it include Reddit users? Does it include the old casuals who had much more much time for anime before AoT? Does it include offline activities like manga clubs and gaming/Japan conventions? People leave, arrive at or return to the "community", there is no point blocking new fans from discovering the medium; it's not like they can't go and watch older series and catch up. |
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| I would prefer a smaller medium and community but it is what it is now so the best thing to do about it is to do and be the best we can. |
| I for one do not want to return to the days of needing to prepare a thesis on what the hell an "Annie-May" is when discussing my interests and hobbies. Don't like the fans coming in? Then leave. I think it's great how much the community's grown. Besides, who died and named your President for the entire Anime Community? Lmao |
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| Yes, I do think we should have an anime great reset and then live in the anime new normal. |
| The only people I think are better kicked out are the ones pushing for censorship including investors and directors that bend the knee. Anyone not policing their own values on the medium are more than welcome in my book not that I have any control over them. Not everyone has to agree. Big community is good for more anime being made. I doubt most people in fandom are censor grifters. |
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| A few days ago we had "Anime Degrowth", now we have anime Klaus Schwab, how long until we have anime Unabomber? |
Reply to Eldinis
Anime community... what is your definition of it?
Is it only the MAL forums?
Does it include anitubers?
Does it include Reddit users?
Does it include the old casuals who had much more much time for anime before AoT?
Does it include offline activities like manga clubs and gaming/Japan conventions?
People leave, arrive at or return to the "community", there is no point blocking new fans from discovering the medium; it's not like they can't go and watch older series and catch up.
Is it only the MAL forums?
Does it include anitubers?
Does it include Reddit users?
Does it include the old casuals who had much more much time for anime before AoT?
Does it include offline activities like manga clubs and gaming/Japan conventions?
People leave, arrive at or return to the "community", there is no point blocking new fans from discovering the medium; it's not like they can't go and watch older series and catch up.
| @Eldinis ^This. In all honesty, and I'm directing this at myself as well, but both new and old fans take this shit way too seriously. Enjoy the medium or don't. You don't need to interact with others about anime, if you don't want to. Things won't go back to the way they used to, even if anime's popularity fades somewhat. |
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| Dude, Young people exist? The teenagers now are obviously going to watch currently airing shows like the older people have watched older shows. And obviously they would want to talk about their experience of the shows and hence join social platforms. I really don't get your gatekeeping+elitist mindset. |
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@BilboBaggins365 you do realize danmachi rezero and now apothecary are getting delays.
That's the problem with the MORE MORE MORE mentality.
Crappy CGI is getting used more. It's pretty wild to say this with a straight face.
But MORE MORE MORE right.
That's the problem with the MORE MORE MORE mentality.
Crappy CGI is getting used more. It's pretty wild to say this with a straight face.
But MORE MORE MORE right.
| @derangedx29 You know why there is "MORE MORE MORE", it's because of greedy as fuck Japanese production committees. It's not the evil West where this mentality originates. It's the nature of the industry. Those greedy as fuck production committees care about risk, and will not take it if the industry is in decline. I don't know how that is not going to your head. Again your solution to production delays is to hope international funding collapses (it was just starting to recover when AOT came out after the late 2000s recession) so that we can ensure studio closures and a loss of talent to Donghua or Korea. So instead of "MORE MORE MORE" we will get "NOTHING NOTHING NOTHING" which sure, that fixes production delays, works will have to clear high bars of popularity to get adapted at all, and way less series see anything more than 1 season to promote the source. AWESOME! Like again freaking dumb solution. Anime fans are literal morons lol. Like unionizing? Hope studios that have better practices take over? Hope increased anime popularity leads to more negative PR with the nature of the industry? Money that leads to better training programs or international talent to make up animator short fall? Nah.... just tank into the ground, that will fix my hobby that I LOVE so much.....freaking delusional. All because of the fears of culture war nonsense that literally have not impacted the actual industry, despite the massive increase in investment. If you want to see anime die, because you don't like the nature of the industry fine propose it, that at least would have some logical sense. derangedx29 said: I will take them over fans like you. Definition of toxicity and unpleasantness, which everyone who argues for this foolish hypocritical ideal fits. Actual good fans don't give a fuck about such trivial things and just discuss anime, you know, like we are supposed to. I like talking to fans about stuff I like, IDC they weren't watching anime, as a kid in the mid/late 2000s, like me lol. Newer fans have not been good imo. |
BilboBaggins365May 14, 8:44 PM
| Jeez, I see why you were insecure about being a newbie in your other thread now. Simply because you did not feel comfortable enough to posture yourself as the ego-tripping gatekeeper yet. |
| Don't let others ruin things for you. Even if a toxic fan pisses in your cereal, you could just get another bowl of cereal. The 50 Anime You Should Watch Before You Die |
@derangedx29 You see why I was insecure about being a newbie in my other thread now. Simply because I did not feel comfortable enough to posture myself as the ego-tripping gatekeeper yet. Yes, yes, we have established that... |
| Don't let others ruin things for you. Even if a toxic fan pisses in your cereal, you could just get another bowl of cereal. The 50 Anime You Should Watch Before You Die |
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@SignsOfSuicide well I can still gate keep because...
I watched anime that was hard to find. There were legit titles that only had like 300 people watch them on this entire site when I was finished with them.
Not sure if that is possible today.
I watched anime that was hard to find. There were legit titles that only had like 300 people watch them on this entire site when I was finished with them.
Not sure if that is possible today.
| @derangedx29 At least you finally stopped deluding yourself. Also, truly the weirdest of flexes. |
| Don't let others ruin things for you. Even if a toxic fan pisses in your cereal, you could just get another bowl of cereal. The 50 Anime You Should Watch Before You Die |
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@SignsOfSuicide well I can still gate keep because...
I watched anime that was hard to find. There were legit titles that only had like 300 people watch them on this entire site when I was finished with them.
Not sure if that is possible today.
I watched anime that was hard to find. There were legit titles that only had like 300 people watch them on this entire site when I was finished with them.
Not sure if that is possible today.
| @derangedx29 ....You want a cookie? Also there is no such thing as "gatekeeping" you give too much importance to an irrelevant online community. Gen Alpha isn't going to stop watching anime, just because you whine about them existing on MAL. The most hilarious thing is you are probably some older dude, immaturely whining about teens watching anime. This entire medium is made for that demographic. It's a very YA medium, frankly fans like you need to be "gatekept" and kicked out of the medium, if we are being honest. |
BilboBaggins365May 14, 10:11 PM
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@BilboBaggins365 do they even watch anime or do they scroll on tiktok while watching shit at 2x speed
| @derangedx29 Yeah they watch anime..... (I knew a kid who also liked watching old retro anime) I have tutored kids back in uni, they do in fact watch shows, and like to talk about it. You realize the attention deficit from social media is effecting everyone? You shouldn't care about teens watching teen media, maybe you need to grow up. We are the outsiders right now. |
Reply to derangedx29
@BilboBaggins365 nope. Anime wouldn't be as big as it is in the west if not for people like us. Buying merchandise in the 2000s. Word of mouth. Demand. Etc.
That spreads.
That spreads.
derangedx29 said: Oh wow I guess gatekeeping doesn't work lolnope. derangedx29 said: Who cares, and it wasn't in the 2000s when anime gained steam. It was the 90s, and that is just North America. If we are talking "West" I mean Europe was fully embracing anime back in the 70s/80s. Anime wouldn't be as big as it is in the west if not for people like us. Buying merchandise in the 2000s. The reality is anime was never as popular in the 2000s as it is now. That is evident when you look at how much money is being made from fans nowadays, the social media presence membership on MAL, reddit and even the culture on other places like YouTube. So if anything the current generation is doing a better job than we did as kids/teens in actually blowing up the industry, granted they have better tools to do that. Still that isn't the point.....again you are complaining about teens largely watching shows about HSers engaging in young love, action titles largely about teens achieving their dreams and moe girls, often in HS, hanging out.....like lol. You aren't the target audience, and look I get that. I enjoy YA media occasionally, anime frankly does this demographic better than anyone else, however, true adult media is rare even in so called older target demographics. Anime is a very teenager, maybe early 20s market. Most people just grow out of it or become more casual because of that. If you don't like just YA writing anime loses its appeal, unless you just often nicher/older shows, and the rare seasonal. |
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