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May 8, 10:47 AM
#1
| Looking through older forums and anime discussions, you'll see a lot of people complaining about moe series and even some people who thought moe "ruined anime". But you don't really see that sentiment anymore, or at least it seems less widespread. What changed, and when did that change happen? We still get CGDCT series coming out that seem to offer the same appeal, did people just stop caring? |
May 8, 10:55 AM
#2
| it's a classic generational gap i think. i remember that argument being all over the place, now it's a throwback to see a grognard who complains that it was all downhill after Bebop. |
May 8, 10:55 AM
#3
May 8, 10:59 AM
#4
| Nothing really changed the people who complained about moe grew up on the somewhat mature and violent anime of the 80's and 90's and they were in their in their teens and early adult years at the time that's why they dominated online anime interactions by the early the mid 2000's but by the 2010 a new generation of anime fans that were exposed to moe and don't have as much hate for it, so by the time the old anime fans started exiting online interactions due to various responsibilities and life related reasons, the newer fans took over and hate on moe stopped. That's the moment when moe fans outnumbered older anime fans (oldtakus of 80's and 90's anime) that stopped interacting online and complaining about the moe wave of 2010's. for example @Journey-man is a classic oldtaku he likes mature anime and dislikes cutesy moe. another one @serafos is a newtaku he loves moe and cutesy stuff not so much the mature stuff. Both anime fans with a huge generational and taste gap that isn't compatible with each due to the nature and immensity of anime genres, artstyle, periods. |
tchitchouanMay 8, 11:07 AM
May 8, 11:02 AM
#5
| there are some larger dynamics too, like how a lot of those older fans tended to have some kind of a fixation of pushing "respectable" anime, hence the fixation on "mature" stuff (i.e. no girls allowed). you saw the kind of thing where they sort of held themselves above the medium, instead of fully engaging with it this is really generalizing things obviously |
May 8, 11:03 AM
#6
| Moe wasn't real. Moe was a conspirationist government plot to hide the fact Isekai was coming. And it worked. |
There is only one truth in this world かわいいは正義 Also, robots are your friends ✿❀(*ᴗ͈ˬᴗ͈)ꕤ*.゚⋆˚✿˖° Check our anime affinity, Senpai! Fellow cute girl lovers FR accepted. Watch NGNL, ฅ^•ﻌ•^ฅ you bastard~~desu Yuri is life. Now, break a sweat. ★May the stars shine upon you.★ |
May 8, 11:04 AM
#7
| Those people whining about moe were teenage boys insecure about their masculinity |
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May 8, 11:06 AM
#8
| this is going into old forum war territory, but one of the funnier things i remember is how a lot of those old guard fans would completely forgive things they usually hated (i.e. fanservice) if it was in a "good" show. this ended up coming to a breaking point on a forum i was on when they ended up hyping up Kill La Kill, as a "mature" show (because it was ex-Gainax, and Gainax was "mature". i guess none of them watched Re;Cutie Honey but hey) |
May 8, 11:08 AM
#9
Reply to fbjim
there are some larger dynamics too, like how a lot of those older fans tended to have some kind of a fixation of pushing "respectable" anime, hence the fixation on "mature" stuff (i.e. no girls allowed). you saw the kind of thing where they sort of held themselves above the medium, instead of fully engaging with it
this is really generalizing things obviously
this is really generalizing things obviously
| @fbjim No, you've got a good gist on that. That's how anime elitism worked in the past, and I don't even want to get into the ethnocentrism and self-unaware hubris stuff regarding that, which is another core motivation that breeds this kind of attitude. That and a denial that we as crowds grow old and the world changes. The worst of them do hold "WE outgrew anime" and "anime should be made for US" mentalities. I'd also say for them to push out their own shit if they think everything "sucks", but then again I've not seen good output from anyone with nasty attitudes and unrestrained ego from people like that. There are bad moe fans too, but they're general bog standard naive weeaboo. |
May 8, 11:08 AM
#10
Reply to fbjim
this is going into old forum war territory, but one of the funnier things i remember is how a lot of those old guard fans would completely forgive things they usually hated (i.e. fanservice) if it was in a "good" show. this ended up coming to a breaking point on a forum i was on when they ended up hyping up Kill La Kill, as a "mature" show (because it was ex-Gainax, and Gainax was "mature". i guess none of them watched Re;Cutie Honey but hey)
| @fbjim Yes, odd thing like that do happen. due to the massive flood of moe in the late 2000s older anime fans clenched to anything remotely mature. |
May 8, 11:12 AM
#11
| i remember an interview with the author of Oreimo where he said something along the lines of, that series was such a hit because it came out right at the moment where otaku were more openly proud of their weirdness, instead of hiding it. it wouldn't surprise me if the same cultural shift happened with online westerners, with a new generation openly liking the "weird" aspects of anime instead of seeing them as things anime needed to outgrow (and now that trend seems to be in reverse as we have a new wave of mainstream fans who complain about "tropes". the more things change etc) |
May 8, 11:13 AM
#12
Reply to tchitchouan
@fbjim Yes, odd thing like that do happen. due to the massive flood of moe in the late 2000s older anime fans clenched to anything remotely mature.
| @tchitchouan A lot of it came from "To Catch A Predator" and Chris Hansen, when infact child predation existed just as prevalent before chatrooms and MSN Messenger. The "elites" were afraid they were going to be painted in the same light as the sex predators if they were caught with watching anything cutesy and "for kids" like the rest of deadbeat stereotype huffing backwater land dwellers did back in the day. That went as far as Zac Bertschy of Anime News Network and his cronies, believe it or not. @fbjim Most definitely. In my experience, elitists have always been apologists and trying to make "anime be accepted" despite totally ignoring history. A community worth its salt isn't abrasive and unruly, but knows when to have self worth and knows when to establish boundaries. The elites also have always had a sickening twinge of "anime is lesser" in terms of unruly nerd hobby pecking order elitism that exists within the worst of fandoms anywhere. It's why people had more affection for 4chan than SomethingAwful, and that's in the face of everything in both their histories. I'm glad there's pushback against "normies", and the worst of them- Anime fandom knows when to have gall, something I wish I'd have seen more of when I was growing up. Also, that accepting fanservice just to spite moe stuff... Hah. That's clearly poseur behavior if I ever saw it. |
HokutoMumyoZanMay 8, 11:26 AM
May 8, 11:33 AM
#13
May 8, 11:38 AM
#14
| nope, tourists would still call you"pdf" for watching moe or loli. |
May 8, 11:38 AM
#15
| "When did moe stop being so hated?" Never it seems. |
DesuMaiden said: Nobody resembles me physically because I don't even physically exist. |
May 8, 11:39 AM
#16
Reply to HokutoMumyoZan
@tchitchouan A lot of it came from "To Catch A Predator" and Chris Hansen, when infact child predation existed just as prevalent before chatrooms and MSN Messenger. The "elites" were afraid they were going to be painted in the same light as the sex predators if they were caught with watching anything cutesy and "for kids" like the rest of deadbeat stereotype huffing backwater land dwellers did back in the day. That went as far as Zac Bertschy of Anime News Network and his cronies, believe it or not.
@fbjim Most definitely. In my experience, elitists have always been apologists and trying to make "anime be accepted" despite totally ignoring history. A community worth its salt isn't abrasive and unruly, but knows when to have self worth and knows when to establish boundaries. The elites also have always had a sickening twinge of "anime is lesser" in terms of unruly nerd hobby pecking order elitism that exists within the worst of fandoms anywhere. It's why people had more affection for 4chan than SomethingAwful, and that's in the face of everything in both their histories. I'm glad there's pushback against "normies", and the worst of them- Anime fandom knows when to have gall, something I wish I'd have seen more of when I was growing up.
Also, that accepting fanservice just to spite moe stuff... Hah. That's clearly poseur behavior if I ever saw it.
@fbjim Most definitely. In my experience, elitists have always been apologists and trying to make "anime be accepted" despite totally ignoring history. A community worth its salt isn't abrasive and unruly, but knows when to have self worth and knows when to establish boundaries. The elites also have always had a sickening twinge of "anime is lesser" in terms of unruly nerd hobby pecking order elitism that exists within the worst of fandoms anywhere. It's why people had more affection for 4chan than SomethingAwful, and that's in the face of everything in both their histories. I'm glad there's pushback against "normies", and the worst of them- Anime fandom knows when to have gall, something I wish I'd have seen more of when I was growing up.
Also, that accepting fanservice just to spite moe stuff... Hah. That's clearly poseur behavior if I ever saw it.
| @HokutoMumyoZan lol it was specifically SA i was implying. and yeah Kill La Kill ended up hilariously causing that old-timer regime to fall due to infighting and drama |
May 8, 11:44 AM
#17
Reply to UberBat
Still not a fan of moe tbh
I just find the big eyes very ugly to look at. Moreso when the male characters have better shaped eyes in comparison
I just find the big eyes very ugly to look at. Moreso when the male characters have better shaped eyes in comparison
| @UberBat This I can respect. At least you have actual personal taste reasons than sanctimonious moral bandwagoning barely disguised selfish egotism.... @fbjim aylmao, fragments of that are coming back to me, I only heard somethings about it. I wish I was a fly on the wall in that room at that time. |
HokutoMumyoZanMay 8, 11:50 AM
May 8, 12:07 PM
#18
| Hate towards Moe never did truly stop, it just evolved on the way it manifest itself on the internet. It began, as many of you pointed out, as older anime fans and inmature teenage boys hating on anime they didn't consider matching their "standards". Those standars beign of course, the gory and mature anime of the '80s and '90s some people still hail as the pinnacle of what the anime medium can achieve even to this day. Eventually time went by, and those older fans and teenage boys grew up and either found something better to do with lives than bitching about anime online or lost interest in the medium completely and simply moved on. But if you tought that was gonna stop the hate on Moe you would be woefully wrong; as a new a generation of "fans", what we would call around here "hood weebs" or more derogatorly still, "tourists" entered the anime scene roughly at the same time Covid-19 became a global pandemic and started shaming anyone who didn't watch the same shows as they saw. Those shows beign very mainstream battle shonens and other "socially-acceptable" anime to consume overall. Calling anyone who enjoyed the Moe artstyle or themes a "PDF-file", "creep", "weirdo" or similar insults to anyone who didn't conform to what they believed to be civil and acceptable. So, in short, hate towards Moe didn't really stop, it just evolved in how it presented itself and from who it was coming from. It never went away, its just that people who were familiar with its older form assumed it did because it didn't resemble anymore what they were accustomed to seeign, nothing else, nothing more. |
May 8, 12:16 PM
#19
Reply to HokutoMumyoZan
| @HokutoMumyoZan reading old threads was wild. i saw people call each other pedophiles for watching the famous sex-charged, suggestive show, Nichijou. |
May 8, 12:21 PM
#20
Reply to The_Blue_Lotus
Hate towards Moe never did truly stop, it just evolved on the way it manifest itself on the internet.
It began, as many of you pointed out, as older anime fans and inmature teenage boys hating on anime they didn't consider matching their "standards". Those standars beign of course, the gory and mature anime of the '80s and '90s some people still hail as the pinnacle of what the anime medium can achieve even to this day.
Eventually time went by, and those older fans and teenage boys grew up and either found something better to do with lives than bitching about anime online or lost interest in the medium completely and simply moved on.
But if you tought that was gonna stop the hate on Moe you would be woefully wrong; as a new a generation of "fans", what we would call around here "hood weebs" or more derogatorly still, "tourists" entered the anime scene roughly at the same time Covid-19 became a global pandemic and started shaming anyone who didn't watch the same shows as they saw. Those shows beign very mainstream battle shonens and other "socially-acceptable" anime to consume overall. Calling anyone who enjoyed the Moe artstyle or themes a "PDF-file", "creep", "weirdo" or similar insults to anyone who didn't conform to what they believed to be civil and acceptable.
So, in short, hate towards Moe didn't really stop, it just evolved in how it presented itself and from who it was coming from. It never went away, its just that people who were familiar with its older form assumed it did because it didn't resemble anymore what they were accustomed to seeign, nothing else, nothing more.
It began, as many of you pointed out, as older anime fans and inmature teenage boys hating on anime they didn't consider matching their "standards". Those standars beign of course, the gory and mature anime of the '80s and '90s some people still hail as the pinnacle of what the anime medium can achieve even to this day.
Eventually time went by, and those older fans and teenage boys grew up and either found something better to do with lives than bitching about anime online or lost interest in the medium completely and simply moved on.
But if you tought that was gonna stop the hate on Moe you would be woefully wrong; as a new a generation of "fans", what we would call around here "hood weebs" or more derogatorly still, "tourists" entered the anime scene roughly at the same time Covid-19 became a global pandemic and started shaming anyone who didn't watch the same shows as they saw. Those shows beign very mainstream battle shonens and other "socially-acceptable" anime to consume overall. Calling anyone who enjoyed the Moe artstyle or themes a "PDF-file", "creep", "weirdo" or similar insults to anyone who didn't conform to what they believed to be civil and acceptable.
So, in short, hate towards Moe didn't really stop, it just evolved in how it presented itself and from who it was coming from. It never went away, its just that people who were familiar with its older form assumed it did because it didn't resemble anymore what they were accustomed to seeign, nothing else, nothing more.
| @The_Blue_Lotus I'd also say it's a western thing, although I'm sure it's also prevalent elsewhere outside of East Asia as well. I'm not saying everyone Asian loves moe, but they have more tolerance of it because of stuff like neoteny and not having the sort of nerd and geek culture dynamic out west as well as cultural factors and values local in Asian communities. Outside, "being adult" has been entirely correlated with "looking adult". It gets more absurd when teenagers and coeds in college or adulthood in TV shows and movies are depicted with 20 to 30 and even 40 some year olds. While there are some who fit this profile in their teenage years, most teenagers look awkward and still very, very young. The majority of teenagers in real life don't look like they came off the set of Beverly Hills 90210 or The OC. Add in this with how "my fiction needs to be serious and presentable to take me seriously", and you get all of this debacle. |
May 8, 12:24 PM
#21
| also, i think people just love calling other people pedophiles nowadays. it's become like the national accusation of the internet. don't like someone, you make up some grounds to accuse them of being a pedophile. |
May 8, 12:30 PM
#23
Reply to fbjim
also, i think people just love calling other people pedophiles nowadays. it's become like the national accusation of the internet. don't like someone, you make up some grounds to accuse them of being a pedophile.
| @fbjim People call each other a lot of things pedophile is no exception. It comes with the age territory. Probably more people use the words like woke, gooner or incel . |
May 8, 1:02 PM
#24
Reply to tchitchouan
Nothing really changed the people who complained about moe grew up on the somewhat mature and violent anime of the 80's and 90's and they were in their in their teens and early adult years at the time that's why they dominated online anime interactions by the early the mid 2000's but by the 2010 a new generation of anime fans that were exposed to moe and don't have as much hate for it, so by the time the old anime fans started exiting online interactions due to various responsibilities and life related reasons, the newer fans took over and hate on moe stopped. That's the moment when moe fans outnumbered older anime fans (oldtakus of 80's and 90's anime) that stopped interacting online and complaining about the moe wave of 2010's.
for example @Journey-man is a classic oldtaku he likes mature anime and dislikes cutesy moe.
another one @serafos is a newtaku he loves moe and cutesy stuff not so much the mature stuff.
Both anime fans with a huge generational and taste gap that isn't compatible with each due to the nature and immensity of anime genres, artstyle, periods.
for example @Journey-man is a classic oldtaku he likes mature anime and dislikes cutesy moe.
another one @serafos is a newtaku he loves moe and cutesy stuff not so much the mature stuff.
Both anime fans with a huge generational and taste gap that isn't compatible with each due to the nature and immensity of anime genres, artstyle, periods.
| @tchitchouan I largely agree with this, but I think back then moe was viewed with much more hostility because, contrarily to how people tend to paint this new era as one of hypervigilance of values, back then any discourse that warned about the "moral threats" of certain kinds of fiction could be accepted with a semblance of authority. Essays were written specifically trying to link moe to pedophilia. Nowadays these kinds of accusations, even if they exist, happen in a more casual and atomized way. What you say is also true, of course, but there have always been people disliking newer or established trends, and this does not translate to discourse necessarily. It was both the idea that this new thing wasn't as good as the old and the adscription to an authoritative moral crusade that made more sense than it does now (since the fandom is also more fragmented in tastes and perspectives nowadays) what explained people being more vocal and radical about their hate for moe at the time. |
May 8, 1:10 PM
#25
Reply to BerriesSan
@catalano come with main account not with this alt
| @BerriesSan unlike you I don't needs alts to say my opinion about shit moe blob trash, this garbage needs to disappear from the face of the world and its disgusting fans like you and dragevard should watch better anime. Stop fapping to yuri moe blob slop! |
May 8, 1:15 PM
#26
Reply to Catalano
@BerriesSan
unlike you I don't needs alts to say my opinion about shit moe blob trash, this garbage needs to disappear from the face of the world and its disgusting fans like you and dragevard should watch better anime. Stop fapping to yuri moe blob slop!
unlike you I don't needs alts to say my opinion about shit moe blob trash, this garbage needs to disappear from the face of the world and its disgusting fans like you and dragevard should watch better anime. Stop fapping to yuri moe blob slop!
| @Catalano And I don't need very much obscurity to talk about insecure fans who do nothing but whine online. By the way, excess testosterone destroys brain cells. Just ought to let you know. Also I don't know why I feel the need to tell you this, but just because steroids are legal in Mexico, I wouldn't take them if I were you. |
May 8, 2:48 PM
#27
| Probably when it became mostly the norm with anime. Back in the '80s more anime was always thought of being geared towards more a female audience. Now it seems like the absolute reverse and you see it so much now that you kind of don't even notice it anymore. |
May 8, 6:20 PM
#28
| As someone who got into anime around 2020, I don't even know what counts as moe in this decade, let alone come across any sort of hate towards it. Whenever it really happened, I'd say it was long gone by 2020. |
May 8, 7:10 PM
#29
| Interesting thread discussion topic. I feel like the spicy parts of moe have been gradually discarded or have simply become unpopular, while the sweet parts of moe have been ingrained into general anime. Or something. Are new visual novels still carrying it on? |
ow + nw = 90-2000s |
May 8, 7:16 PM
#30
| I think people started noticing cheat isekai instead which is a lot more formulaic. Not saying all isekai is bad though. It is just rather predictable. Some exceptions exist like isekai ojisan... I started getting into anime pretty much late 2000s and early 2010s besides kids stuff. That is why I never minded moe. I am a big fan of loli. |
rohan121May 8, 7:39 PM
May 8, 9:32 PM
#31
| Moe, just kept thriving until resistance collapsed. The same people complained and screamed about it years ago are probably watching a fluffy moe slice-of-life right now. |
May 8, 9:56 PM
#32
| Like other people said: It was mostly an US thing. The combination of the elements that during the 80's-90's there were a lot of shocking OVAs that came here marketing themselves as a force against the moral panics of the time, with the late 90's/early-2000's "Toonami-core" and later shounenfags. Many Americans were receiving hand-picked anime for their sensibilities, so when they finally went into the internet where there were no such filters and starting having contact with bishoujo (Which was already a thing since the 80's) and moe (Which started growing rapidly starting at the end of the 90's) they started screeching. Likely some degree of misogyny involved in that. We won, thanks to /a/, and there was a sort of unspoken agreement to never again take those people seriously, until Adult Swim broke it and now we have Lazarus. There's an anituber (I think it was Digibro/Trixie) that posited it might have been because they finally received a "toy" in the form of JoJo and now just keep in their corner playing without bothering anyone. For shounen-onlies, there's a small hypothesis I have, based in a lot of people telling that to me, that they eventually just dropped anime all along and nowadays only read Manhwa and webtoons. |
May 8, 10:03 PM
#33
| If you read my thread Is "Counter-Elitism" a thing?, you could say that moe was "a force of counter-elitism" here. Likely those people just kept expecting "OK, ANIME WILL BECOME ACCEPTABLE FOR ME TO SHOW MY NORMIE PEERS AT ANY POINT NOW" and then the moe boom just hit those like European diseases in XVIth century America. Another group that moe "repels" are people who want to try to APPEAR intelligent rather than BE intelligent. 4chan culture of "Smug anime girl profile pictures" did a number on that. At the time I felt they had some kind of "aura", I would expect someone with a profile picture like that to be very knowledgeable about anime. However, the untrained eye would expect the opposite. |
May 8, 10:27 PM
#34
May 8, 10:31 PM
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MasterTasukeMay 8, 10:37 PM
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