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@Steph Mhm. I'm very certain you're familiar with all of the policies about using AI to write your papers, considering you're trying to liken institutional rot to the point where policies like that are openly ignored not only by students but by the faculty themselves to something on the level of an individual 17 year old lying about their age to get into a NSFW discord.
Rules don't exist as an absolute, y'know? What's it matter what the rules say if the problem itself is already that deeply rooted? So somebody like you can point at them on an anime forum and use it as a counterargument against the problem inherent with AI itself? A rule like that clearly isn't making the problem go away, obviously, and these two people aren't even on the same side of the planet so it's not localized anywhere either.
Like, on the real. I know you're not stupid enough to think people will treat rules like "BUT IT'S THE LAW SO I SHOULDN'T DO IT" in application, and how people react and use things on the ground level is far more important in how we treat and view the topic at hand than what an institution says in their guidelines. It's why we don't legalize heroin and tax the shit out of it, even though some people wouldn't use it within the provided guidelines. It's bad. It's bad to have in society, no matter what policies or rules you put into place to try to curb the excess of it. Just because provided policy has an acceptable standard of use doesn't negate all of the damage it has the potential to do and already does.
Rules don't exist as an absolute, y'know? What's it matter what the rules say if the problem itself is already that deeply rooted? So somebody like you can point at them on an anime forum and use it as a counterargument against the problem inherent with AI itself? A rule like that clearly isn't making the problem go away, obviously, and these two people aren't even on the same side of the planet so it's not localized anywhere either.
Like, on the real. I know you're not stupid enough to think people will treat rules like "BUT IT'S THE LAW SO I SHOULDN'T DO IT" in application, and how people react and use things on the ground level is far more important in how we treat and view the topic at hand than what an institution says in their guidelines. It's why we don't legalize heroin and tax the shit out of it, even though some people wouldn't use it within the provided guidelines. It's bad. It's bad to have in society, no matter what policies or rules you put into place to try to curb the excess of it. Just because provided policy has an acceptable standard of use doesn't negate all of the damage it has the potential to do and already does.
Manaban said: @Steph Mhm. I'm very certain you're familiar with all of the policies about using AI to write your papers, considering you're trying to liken institutional rot to the point where policies like that are openly ignored not only by students but by the faculty themselves to something on the level of an individual 17 year old lying about their age to get into a NSFW discord. Rules don't exist as an absolute, y'know? What's it matter what the rules say if the problem itself is already that deeply rooted? So somebody like you can point at them on an anime forum and use it as a counterargument against the problem inherent with AI itself? Every invention has people that find a way to abuse it. Guns, knives, internet, cars etc. AI is the same. It is an invention that will save millions of lives in the future (once it is smart enough to assist with for e.g. healthcare) but you will find people that abuse it. These people are lazy, people that do not want to write a paper. You can't say the deeprooted problem is AI for people who use ChatGPT to write full papers, the problem is their upbringing. |
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| If this actually results in any practical changes in a manner that will be felt and experienced by the userbase, then just don't change the UI or alternatively give users (especially already existing users grandfathered in) the option to opt out of any such changes and retention of the existing interface and design, the same as Reddit did with its horrible and grotesque redesign and the "opt out" option (I still use "old" or "classic" Reddit to this day and the day that is taken away is the day I depart for good). The last thing I want to see is another website with its UI and consequently your desire to even visit and use it at all totally disgustingly wrecked and destroyed for no good justifiable reason other than change for the sake of change or webpage developers and designers wanting to justify their professions by inventing busy work. Just like IMDB, "New Reddit" (again, at least the option exists to avoid that abomination), and all the rest. Even all the changes to Wikipedia and YouTube. None have been an improvement. It only comes across like willful deliberate downgrading and destruction of one's own site, taking away features, tools, and options from individual users and filling the pages instead with a bunch of large images and empty white space (no doubt catered to mobile/smartphone users to the total detriment and defecating on the heads of everyone accessing the websites from the comfort of their own homes on their desktop or laptop computers). It's nothing more than authorized vandalism on a grand scale. I'm not necessarily buying into the automatic doom and gloom and catastrophizing from some corners regarding this announcement and notification of the changes behind the scenes. God forbid what I mentioned above happen to MAL and it join the club of trying to turn this into a near-exclusively smartphone users' site imitative of social media. If that ever happens I'll be gone the next second, cut my small monthly support offering and all that too, without a moment's hesitation. |
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Manaban said:
@Steph Mhm. I'm very certain you're familiar with all of the policies about using AI to write your papers, considering you're trying to liken institutional rot to the point where policies like that are openly ignored not only by students but by the faculty themselves to something on the level of an individual 17 year old lying about their age to get into a NSFW discord.
Rules don't exist as an absolute, y'know? What's it matter what the rules say if the problem itself is already that deeply rooted? So somebody like you can point at them on an anime forum and use it as a counterargument against the problem inherent with AI itself?
@Steph Mhm. I'm very certain you're familiar with all of the policies about using AI to write your papers, considering you're trying to liken institutional rot to the point where policies like that are openly ignored not only by students but by the faculty themselves to something on the level of an individual 17 year old lying about their age to get into a NSFW discord.
Rules don't exist as an absolute, y'know? What's it matter what the rules say if the problem itself is already that deeply rooted? So somebody like you can point at them on an anime forum and use it as a counterargument against the problem inherent with AI itself?
Every invention has people that find a way to abuse it. Guns, knives, internet, cars etc. AI is the same. It is an invention that will save millions of lives in the future (once it is smart enough to assist with for e.g. healthcare) but you will find people that abuse it. These people are lazy, people that do not want to write a paper.
You can't say the deeprooted problem is AI for people who use ChatGPT to write full papers, the problem is their upbringing.
| @Steph Call me when it's saving lives and not laying the framework for Idiocracy. Better yet, call when it's not primarily in the hands of corporations that exist in an economic framework that already fucks over basic shit to people need (like healthcare) for the sake of maintaining their profit margins. They don't care about this or that type of shit lmao, they care about what makes money. Until then? It's not worth anything at all. Arguments for potential to do a greater good don't mean anything if the only meaningful thing it's doing is keeping you from opening a goddamn Wikipedia page to pull a source for yourself, if you're on the being lazy about what you research grind. You can sit there and keep reiterating your belief that, one day, AI to provide healthcare assistance until the end of time itself at that rate. |
ManabanMay 9, 10:11 AM
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@Steph Call me when it's saving lives and not laying the framework for Idiocracy. Better yet, call when it's not primarily in the hands of corporations that exist in an economic framework that already fucks over basic shit to people need (like healthcare) for the sake of maintaining their profit margins. They don't care about this or that type of shit lmao, they care about what makes money.
Until then? It's not worth anything at all. Arguments for potential to do a greater good don't mean anything if the only meaningful thing it's doing is keeping you from opening a goddamn Wikipedia page to pull a source for yourself, if you're on the being lazy about what you research grind. You can sit there and keep reiterating your belief that, one day, AI to provide healthcare assistance until the end of time itself at that rate.
Until then? It's not worth anything at all. Arguments for potential to do a greater good don't mean anything if the only meaningful thing it's doing is keeping you from opening a goddamn Wikipedia page to pull a source for yourself, if you're on the being lazy about what you research grind. You can sit there and keep reiterating your belief that, one day, AI to provide healthcare assistance until the end of time itself at that rate.
Manaban said: @Steph Call me when it's saving lives and not laying the framework for Idiocracy. Better yet, when it's not primarily in the hands of profit motivated companies that exist in an economic framework that already fucks over basic shit to people need (like healthcare) for the sake of maintaining profit margins. You know, healthcare in most of the world is actually decent and not a profit center. Now you are generalizing whatever happens in that shithole over the whole world. No matter how you look at it, AI will in some form or way improve the world in the future. |
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| Number 1 improvement I wanna see? If got a few in-mind, TBH. But if I could only pick one, I'd have to go with something that is admittedly quite pedantic... I think that Japanese, Korean and Chinese cartoons and literature should either have their own individual "Favorites" categories, else the current categories should be renamed to "Animation" and "Literature" instead of "Anime" and "Manga". Saying, for example, "Solo Leveling is one of my favorite manga" just doesn't sound right, y'know? (Although, since novels are also counted under the "Manga" section, I think that category should probably be renamed regardless, lol.) More favorites categories in-general would be appreciated. Favorite OSTs, favorite individual episodes, best animation, etc. I seem to recall that the possibility of new categories was suggested back when the "Companies" category was added? Also, huge props for the transparency. I personally have no issues with AI "art" (aside from when people call it "art", lol) and I barely even know what the blockchain is, but I do firmly object to NFTs. So I'm glad our concerns have been heard. |
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Manaban said:
@Steph Call me when it's saving lives and not laying the framework for Idiocracy. Better yet, when it's not primarily in the hands of profit motivated companies that exist in an economic framework that already fucks over basic shit to people need (like healthcare) for the sake of maintaining profit margins.
@Steph Call me when it's saving lives and not laying the framework for Idiocracy. Better yet, when it's not primarily in the hands of profit motivated companies that exist in an economic framework that already fucks over basic shit to people need (like healthcare) for the sake of maintaining profit margins.
You know, healthcare in most of the world is actually decent and not a profit center. Now you are generalizing whatever happens in that shithole over the whole world. No matter how you look at it, AI will in some form or way improve the world in the future.
| @Steph I think it's sweet that you're punctuating that post by just trying to reiterate your central belief without any further or meaningful elaboration. Just like, saying it again without adding anything. Having to repeat your idea like that is not a good sign of confidence in what you're saying, y'know? Anyway, I feel like you're losing the room, looking at the last few replies. I count exactly one guy saying he doesn't have a problem with AI, multiple saying they do, and someone is outright asking me what site I think they should leave for. Better tell someone else to go run damage control. I think they rearranged the ex-staff chat a while back to where inactive people didn't have the same access to the full breadth of information? Or at least talked about doing at one point last year I think, dunno if they actually went through with it. I will say the "i'm a retired mod who's unaffiliated with MAL owo" card doesn't work when I've had like, 5 ex-staff work with me in my own backends at this point. I'm not stupid. |
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@Steph I think it's sweet that you're punctuating that post by just trying to reiterate your central belief without any further or meaningful elaboration. Just like, saying it again without adding anything. Having to repeat your idea like that is not a good sign of confidence in what you're saying, y'know?
Anyway, I feel like you're losing the room, looking at the last few replies. I count exactly one guy saying he doesn't have a problem with AI, multiple saying they do, and someone is outright asking me what site I think they should leave for. Better tell someone else to go run damage control. I think they rearranged the ex-staff chat a while back to where inactive people didn't have the same access to the full breadth of information? Or at least talked about doing at one point last year I think, dunno if they actually went through with it. I will say the "i'm a retired mod who's unaffiliated with MAL owo" card doesn't work when I've had like, 5 ex-staff work with me in my own backends at this point. I'm not stupid.
Anyway, I feel like you're losing the room, looking at the last few replies. I count exactly one guy saying he doesn't have a problem with AI, multiple saying they do, and someone is outright asking me what site I think they should leave for. Better tell someone else to go run damage control. I think they rearranged the ex-staff chat a while back to where inactive people didn't have the same access to the full breadth of information? Or at least talked about doing at one point last year I think, dunno if they actually went through with it. I will say the "i'm a retired mod who's unaffiliated with MAL owo" card doesn't work when I've had like, 5 ex-staff work with me in my own backends at this point. I'm not stupid.
Manaban said: @Steph I think it's sweet that you're punctuating that post by just trying to reiterate your central belief without any further or meaningful elaboration. Just like, saying it again without adding anything. Having to repeat your idea like that is not a good sign of confidence in what you're saying, y'know? There is nothing more to say, my point is that AI will be great for healthcare. You try to derail the argument at hand to suddenly talk about how healthcare is a profit centre (only in the USA btw). My point stands and does not need any arguments, it is widely found that AI will have more merits in the future cough cough Manaban said: Anyway, I feel like you're losing the room, looking at the last few replies. Better tell someone else to go run damage control. I think they rearranged the ex-staff chat a while back? Or at least talked about doing it. I will say the retired mod card doesn't work when I've had like, 5 ex-staff work with me in my own backend at this point. I'm not stupid. Not sure who is giving you your information, but might check your sources. The ex-staff chat has limited conversations happening, the last messages go back to the 1st of May and after that the 20th of April. Lovely that you have 5 ex-staffs working with you, that is great! The fact that all 5 of them forgot to mention that the retired staff chat is about as dead as can be indicates to me that you are straight up lying here and adding some points to your story to make it more believable. I wouldn't be suprised by how you reacted the first time that you are the one creating the 'false' discord message of an ex-mod either. |
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Manaban said:
@Steph I think it's sweet that you're punctuating that post by just trying to reiterate your central belief without any further or meaningful elaboration. Just like, saying it again without adding anything. Having to repeat your idea like that is not a good sign of confidence in what you're saying, y'know?
@Steph I think it's sweet that you're punctuating that post by just trying to reiterate your central belief without any further or meaningful elaboration. Just like, saying it again without adding anything. Having to repeat your idea like that is not a good sign of confidence in what you're saying, y'know?
There is nothing more to say, my point is that AI will be great for healthcare. You try to derail the argument at hand to suddenly talk about how healthcare is a profit centre (only in the USA btw). My point stands and does not need any arguments, it is widely found that AI will have more merits in the future cough cough
Manaban said:
Anyway, I feel like you're losing the room, looking at the last few replies. Better tell someone else to go run damage control. I think they rearranged the ex-staff chat a while back? Or at least talked about doing it. I will say the retired mod card doesn't work when I've had like, 5 ex-staff work with me in my own backend at this point. I'm not stupid.
Anyway, I feel like you're losing the room, looking at the last few replies. Better tell someone else to go run damage control. I think they rearranged the ex-staff chat a while back? Or at least talked about doing it. I will say the retired mod card doesn't work when I've had like, 5 ex-staff work with me in my own backend at this point. I'm not stupid.
Not sure who is giving you your information, but might check your sources. The ex-staff chat has limited conversations happening, the last messages go back to the 1st of May and after that the 20th of April. Lovely that you have 5 ex-staffs working with you, that is great! The fact that all 5 of them forgot to mention that the retired staff chat is about as dead as can be indicates to me that you are straight up lying here and adding some points to your story to make it more believable.
I wouldn't be suprised by how you reacted the first time that you are the one creating the 'false' discord message of an ex-mod either.
Steph said: There is nothing more to say, my point is that AI will be great for healthcare. You try to derail the argument at hand to suddenly talk about how healthcare is a profit centre (only in the USA btw). My point stands and does not need any arguments, it is widely found that AI will have more merits in the future cough cough Yeah, thank god public healthcare exists and doesn't have private competitors anywhere else that try to undermine public systems put in place like that. I'm sure that's an American only thing and that these countries don't have an economic framework hellbent on exploiting people for profit either, even if the governments might try to set up systems to curb the excesses of it still. It's not like the government attempts to suppress the negatives of capitalism can fail or anything with the more resources and tools private entities have, right? Like AI? You know how I'd trust AI? If it wasn't completely privatized by profit motivated entities. Like Gaudily. But it is. So why do I care about the potential healthcare applications if I know those are going to be undercut by the mere act of privatization? Profits over people. Always. It's our entire economic framework, bossman. And nah, I leaked before because of some stuff that happened during the original Bunkasai lmao. I think the one leak I publicized was in 2022, then not long before Fractal left I (RELUCTANTLY) was put in a position where I had to post it publicly. I do admit, I don't have visibility there right now though. Not that I especially care to anymore, getting involved with that stuff took a lot of effort and it wasn't exactly worth it. But the fact is that I know you people still have communication with each other n all that, and you know it. It doesn't make you seem like an independent individual when you've been set aside a place right under the jurisdiction of your former boss that they can communicate with you through. You could always screen us the chats though if you want to disprove that bit ;) Also, my first message came from someone sharing that post in H&E. I absolutely reiterated it, but I was shown it in a discord server just like the guy who posted it in this thread did. You saw that when it happened, too, since you responded to my everyone ping on it, so you can cut the little attempt at stirring up an accusation against me there, chief. |
ManabanMay 9, 10:46 AM
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Steph said:
There is nothing more to say, my point is that AI will be great for healthcare. You try to derail the argument at hand to suddenly talk about how healthcare is a profit centre (only in the USA btw). My point stands and does not need any arguments, it is widely found that AI will have more merits in the future cough cough
There is nothing more to say, my point is that AI will be great for healthcare. You try to derail the argument at hand to suddenly talk about how healthcare is a profit centre (only in the USA btw). My point stands and does not need any arguments, it is widely found that AI will have more merits in the future cough cough
Yeah, thank god public healthcare exists and doesn't have private competitors anywhere else that try to undermine public systems put in place like that. I'm sure that's an American only thing and that these countries don't have an economic framework hellbent on exploiting people for profit either, even if the governments might try to set up systems to curb the excesses of it still. It's not like the government attempts to suppress the negatives of capitalism can fail or anything with the more resources and tools private entities have, right? Like AI?
You know how I'd trust AI? If it wasn't completely privatized by profit motivated entities. Like Gaudily. But it is. So why do I care about the potential healthcare applications if I know those are going to be undercut by the mere act of privatization? Profits over people. Always. It's our entire economic framework, bossman.
And nah, I leaked before because of some stuff that happened during the original Bunkasai lmao. I think the one leak I publicized was in 2022, then not long before Fractal left I (RELUCTANTLY) was put in a position where I had to post it publicly. I do admit, I don't have visibility there right now though. Not that I especially care to anymore, getting involved with that stuff took a lot of effort and it wasn't exactly worth it. But the fact is that I know you people still have communication with each other n all that, and you know it. It doesn't make you seem like an independent individual when you've been set aside a place right under the jurisdiction of your former boss that they can communicate with you through. You could always screen us the chats though if you want to disprove that bit ;)
Also, my first message came from someone sharing that post in H&E. I absolutely reiterated it, but I was shown it in a discord server just like the guy who posted it in this thread did. You saw that when it happened, too, since you responded to my everyone ping on it, so you can cut the little attempt at stirring up an accusation against me there, chief.
Manaban said: Yeah, thank god public healthcare exists and doesn't have private competitors anywhere else that try to undermine public systems put in place like that. I'm sure that's an American only thing and that these countries don't have an economic framework hellbent on exploiting people for profit either, even if the governments might try to set up systems to curb the excesses of it still. I'm going to drop the healthcare act, clearly you have not been to Europe yet and are only tunnelvisioned on what your belief systems in relation to healthcare are, no point in further arguing with someone oblivious to what is right infront of them. Manaban said: And nah, I leaked before because of some stuff that happened during the original Bunkasai lmao. I think the one leak I publicized was in 2022, then not long before Fractal left I (RELUCTANTLY) was put in a position where I had to post it publicly. I do admit, I don't have visibility there right now though :) Not that I especially care to anymore. But the fact is that I know you people still have communication with each other n all that, and you know it. It doesn't make you seem like an independent individual when you've been set aside a place right under the jurisdiction of your former boss that they can communicate with you through. You could always screen us the chats though if you want to disprove that bit ;) Ofcourse people still have communication with each other, we are, after all, an anime community. Why would we stop communicating with eachother once we retire as moderator? Most of us retire due to problems related to time for e.g. No reason to just 'stop' communicating with the people you have befriended over the past years, right? Is that normal for you? I hope you realise you are starting to sound a lot like a complot theorist here if you think they are actually trying to do damage control via retired moderators. We both know the best damage control would just be a message from Kineta and not this. Also why would you want screenshots, you clearly just told us you are working behind the scenes with 5 ex-moderators? You have enough eyes in that chat. They can confirm it with you :) Manaban said: Also, my first message came from someone sharing that post in H&E. I absolutely reiterated it, but I was shown it in a discord server just like the guy who posted it did. You saw that when it happened, too, since you responded to my everyone ping on it, so you can cut the little attempt at stirring up an accusation against me there, chief. I did, in fact, react with Ew. Why would that be? Also how can we be certain said person who shared this is not one of your alts or maybe a good friend with you? You are the admin of that discord. How can we know someone people are not under the jurisdiction of you and tyhat you communicate with them? You could always screen us the chats though if you want to disprove that bit ;) |
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My only request is that for those of us that like the way the UI is currently that if some UI overhaul is made, there's a way to just keep things as they are. The oldschool UI is the main thing keeping me here.
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Manaban said:
Yeah, thank god public healthcare exists and doesn't have private competitors anywhere else that try to undermine public systems put in place like that. I'm sure that's an American only thing and that these countries don't have an economic framework hellbent on exploiting people for profit either, even if the governments might try to set up systems to curb the excesses of it still.
Yeah, thank god public healthcare exists and doesn't have private competitors anywhere else that try to undermine public systems put in place like that. I'm sure that's an American only thing and that these countries don't have an economic framework hellbent on exploiting people for profit either, even if the governments might try to set up systems to curb the excesses of it still.
I'm going to drop the healthcare act, clearly you have not been to Europe yet and are only tunnelvisioned on what your belief systems in relation to healthcare are, no point in further arguing with someone oblivious to what is right infront of them.
Manaban said:
And nah, I leaked before because of some stuff that happened during the original Bunkasai lmao. I think the one leak I publicized was in 2022, then not long before Fractal left I (RELUCTANTLY) was put in a position where I had to post it publicly. I do admit, I don't have visibility there right now though :) Not that I especially care to anymore. But the fact is that I know you people still have communication with each other n all that, and you know it. It doesn't make you seem like an independent individual when you've been set aside a place right under the jurisdiction of your former boss that they can communicate with you through. You could always screen us the chats though if you want to disprove that bit ;)
And nah, I leaked before because of some stuff that happened during the original Bunkasai lmao. I think the one leak I publicized was in 2022, then not long before Fractal left I (RELUCTANTLY) was put in a position where I had to post it publicly. I do admit, I don't have visibility there right now though :) Not that I especially care to anymore. But the fact is that I know you people still have communication with each other n all that, and you know it. It doesn't make you seem like an independent individual when you've been set aside a place right under the jurisdiction of your former boss that they can communicate with you through. You could always screen us the chats though if you want to disprove that bit ;)
Ofcourse people still have communication with each other, we are, after all, an anime community. Why would we stop communicating with eachother once we retire as moderator? Most of us retire due to problems related to time for e.g. No reason to just 'stop' communicating with the people you have befriended over the past years, right? Is that normal for you? I hope you realise you are starting to sound a lot like a complot theorist here if you think they are actually trying to do damage control via retired moderators. We both know the best damage control would just be a message from Kineta and not this. Also why would you want screenshots, you clearly just told us you are working behind the scenes with 5 ex-moderators? You have enough eyes in that chat. They can confirm it with you :)
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Also, my first message came from someone sharing that post in H&E. I absolutely reiterated it, but I was shown it in a discord server just like the guy who posted it did. You saw that when it happened, too, since you responded to my everyone ping on it, so you can cut the little attempt at stirring up an accusation against me there, chief.
Also, my first message came from someone sharing that post in H&E. I absolutely reiterated it, but I was shown it in a discord server just like the guy who posted it did. You saw that when it happened, too, since you responded to my everyone ping on it, so you can cut the little attempt at stirring up an accusation against me there, chief.
I did, in fact, react with Ew. Why would that be? Also how can we be certain said person who shared this is not one of your alts or maybe a good friend with you? You are the admin of that discord. How can we know someone people are not under the jurisdiction of you and tyhat you communicate with them? You could always screen us the chats though if you want to disprove that bit ;)
| @Steph Steph said: I'm going to drop the healthcare act, clearly you have not been to Europe yet and are only tunnelvisioned on what your belief systems in relation to healthcare are, no point in further arguing with someone oblivious to what is right infront of them. "You've never been to Europe" chief...i have really bad news for you, but i'm not actually from weed california I work for Dassault, and currently I live in Little Rock, Arkansas doing flammability testing on their line of business and private class jets since those are primarily manufactured stateside owo I've been all over Europe, bossman, but I'm currently in the states in the present. I literally have a travel job for a European company. Steph said: Ofcourse people still have communication with each other, we are, after all, an anime community. Why would we stop communicating with eachother once we retire as moderator? Most of us retire due to problems related to time for e.g. No reason to just 'stop' communicating with the people you have befriended over the past years, right? Is that normal for you? I hope you realise you are starting to sound a lot like a complot theorist here if you think they are actually trying to do damage control via retired moderators. We both know the best damage control would just be a message from Kineta and not this. Also why would you want screenshots, you clearly just told us you are working behind the scenes with 5 ex-moderators? You have enough eyes in that chat. They can confirm it with you :) ChatGPT didn't help you learn tenses, I guess. Yet another loss for primary school education, just like the rough draft. Steph said: I did, in fact, react with Ew. Why would that be? Also how can we be certain said person who shared this is not one of your alts or maybe a good friend with you? You are the admin of that discord. How can we know someone people are not under the jurisdiction of you and tyhat you communicate with them? You could always screen us the chats though if you want to disprove that bit ;) Sure, yeah. He's in this thread. Go dig through his profile and his offsite links at your pleasure. Here's him posting it, since I didn't get him in the first screenshot. Here's his discord ID since it matches everything you'll find on his profile. Is he my friend? Sure, yeah, I've known him a good while. So if you want me to show you my entire DM history with him, I have no issue streaming it for you in that server. You won't even have to talk. I can just stream it and scroll up. I don't have anything to hide or get defensive and accusatory about, bossman. Unless I did, in fact, create an entire person 10 years ago that makes Youtube videos and reviews and has a different voice than me and a different twitter account than me and likes different shit than I do. Maybe it'd be better if people thought I played chess like that owo |
ManabanMay 9, 11:04 AM
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| Here's hoping things actually don't take a wrong turn and we fall in more decadence than there already is. Here's hoping we continue to see site improvements that your userbase actually wants to see, not arbitrary things picked by people that don't use this site. Here's hoping that the Suggestions board see the light of the day and that some of those years old good suggestions are implemented. Here's hoping that the good things of this site are able to stay as is and that we aren't forced to switch to things that no one ever asked for. AND more importantly, here's hoping we are actually told what things change and this site stops doing things behind our backs, without ever telling us about it. (Yes, there have been plenty of changes and unasked for updates that haven't been shared anywhere, except among those of us that notice) I will just look at the new owners in a positive light, at least until we can see how they treat us. |
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@Steph
"You've never been to Europe" chief...i have really bad news for you, but i'm not actually from weed california
I work for Dassault, and currently I live in Little Rock, Arkansas doing flammability testing on their line of business and private class jets since those are primarily manufactured stateside owo
I've been all over Europe, bossman, but I'm currently in the states in the present. I literally have a travel job for a European company.
ChatGPT didn't help you learn tenses, I guess.
Yet another loss for primary school education, just like the rough draft.
Sure, yeah. He's in this thread. Go dig through his profile and his offsite links at your pleasure.
Here's him posting it, since I didn't get him in the first screenshot. Here's his discord ID since it matches everything you'll find on his profile. Is he my friend? Sure, yeah, I've known him a good while. So if you want me to show you my entire DM history with him, I have no issue streaming it for you in that server. You won't even have to talk. I can just stream it and scroll up.
I don't have anything to hide or get defensive and accusatory about, bossman. Unless I did, in fact, create an entire person 10 years ago that makes Youtube videos and reviews and has a different voice than me and a different twitter account than me and likes different shit than I do. Maybe it'd be better if people thought I played chess like that owo
Steph said:
I'm going to drop the healthcare act, clearly you have not been to Europe yet and are only tunnelvisioned on what your belief systems in relation to healthcare are, no point in further arguing with someone oblivious to what is right infront of them.
I'm going to drop the healthcare act, clearly you have not been to Europe yet and are only tunnelvisioned on what your belief systems in relation to healthcare are, no point in further arguing with someone oblivious to what is right infront of them.
"You've never been to Europe" chief...i have really bad news for you, but i'm not actually from weed california
I work for Dassault, and currently I live in Little Rock, Arkansas doing flammability testing on their line of business and private class jets since those are primarily manufactured stateside owo
I've been all over Europe, bossman, but I'm currently in the states in the present. I literally have a travel job for a European company.
Steph said:
Ofcourse people still have communication with each other, we are, after all, an anime community. Why would we stop communicating with eachother once we retire as moderator? Most of us retire due to problems related to time for e.g. No reason to just 'stop' communicating with the people you have befriended over the past years, right? Is that normal for you? I hope you realise you are starting to sound a lot like a complot theorist here if you think they are actually trying to do damage control via retired moderators. We both know the best damage control would just be a message from Kineta and not this. Also why would you want screenshots, you clearly just told us you are working behind the scenes with 5 ex-moderators? You have enough eyes in that chat. They can confirm it with you :)
Ofcourse people still have communication with each other, we are, after all, an anime community. Why would we stop communicating with eachother once we retire as moderator? Most of us retire due to problems related to time for e.g. No reason to just 'stop' communicating with the people you have befriended over the past years, right? Is that normal for you? I hope you realise you are starting to sound a lot like a complot theorist here if you think they are actually trying to do damage control via retired moderators. We both know the best damage control would just be a message from Kineta and not this. Also why would you want screenshots, you clearly just told us you are working behind the scenes with 5 ex-moderators? You have enough eyes in that chat. They can confirm it with you :)
ChatGPT didn't help you learn tenses, I guess.
Yet another loss for primary school education, just like the rough draft.
Steph said:
I did, in fact, react with Ew. Why would that be? Also how can we be certain said person who shared this is not one of your alts or maybe a good friend with you? You are the admin of that discord. How can we know someone people are not under the jurisdiction of you and tyhat you communicate with them? You could always screen us the chats though if you want to disprove that bit ;)
I did, in fact, react with Ew. Why would that be? Also how can we be certain said person who shared this is not one of your alts or maybe a good friend with you? You are the admin of that discord. How can we know someone people are not under the jurisdiction of you and tyhat you communicate with them? You could always screen us the chats though if you want to disprove that bit ;)
Sure, yeah. He's in this thread. Go dig through his profile and his offsite links at your pleasure.
Here's him posting it, since I didn't get him in the first screenshot. Here's his discord ID since it matches everything you'll find on his profile. Is he my friend? Sure, yeah, I've known him a good while. So if you want me to show you my entire DM history with him, I have no issue streaming it for you in that server. You won't even have to talk. I can just stream it and scroll up.
I don't have anything to hide or get defensive and accusatory about, bossman. Unless I did, in fact, create an entire person 10 years ago that makes Youtube videos and reviews and has a different voice than me and a different twitter account than me and likes different shit than I do. Maybe it'd be better if people thought I played chess like that owo
Manaban said: @Steph Steph said: I'm going to drop the healthcare act, clearly you have not been to Europe yet and are only tunnelvisioned on what your belief systems in relation to healthcare are, no point in further arguing with someone oblivious to what is right infront of them. "You've never been to Europe" chief...i have really bad news for you, but i'm not actually from weed california So why are you acting like healthcare is a profit centre? Germany is known for one of the better healthcare systems in the world, no point in even bringing this up. Manaban said: ChatGPT didn't help you learn tenses, I guess. Yet another loss for primary school education, just like the rough draft. Shit, never knew they were teaching people to speak fluent English in primary schools, but you got me there! If only I used my big friend ChatGPT I could have prevented you humiliating my entire 144 word essay about how it is normal to still have contact with people based on a simple ESL mistake. Manaban said: Sure, yeah. He's in this thread. Go dig through his profile and his offsite links at your pleasure. Here's him posting it, since I didn't get him in the first screenshot. Here's his discord. If you want me to show you my entire DM history with him, I have no issue streaming it for you in that server. You won't even have to talk. I can just scroll up. I don't have anything to hide or get defensive and accusatory about, bossman. You realise this was just a direct mockery of your complot theories about how retired moderators are damage controlling right? I don't really want to scroll through your Discord as the blatant racism and sexism which you allow are too much for me. |
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Manaban said:
@Steph
Steph said:
I'm going to drop the healthcare act, clearly you have not been to Europe yet and are only tunnelvisioned on what your belief systems in relation to healthcare are, no point in further arguing with someone oblivious to what is right infront of them.
"You've never been to Europe" chief...i have really bad news for you, but i'm not actually from weed california
@Steph
Steph said:
I'm going to drop the healthcare act, clearly you have not been to Europe yet and are only tunnelvisioned on what your belief systems in relation to healthcare are, no point in further arguing with someone oblivious to what is right infront of them.
"You've never been to Europe" chief...i have really bad news for you, but i'm not actually from weed california
So why are you acting like healthcare is a profit centre? Germany is known for one of the better healthcare systems in the world, no point in even bringing this up.
Manaban said:
ChatGPT didn't help you learn tenses, I guess.
Yet another loss for primary school education, just like the rough draft.
ChatGPT didn't help you learn tenses, I guess.
Yet another loss for primary school education, just like the rough draft.
Shit, never knew they were teaching people to speak fluent English in primary schools, but you got me there! If only I used my big friend ChatGPT I could have prevented you humiliating my entire 144 word essay about how it is normal to still have contact with people based on a simple ESL mistake.
Manaban said:
Sure, yeah. He's in this thread. Go dig through his profile and his offsite links at your pleasure.
Here's him posting it, since I didn't get him in the first screenshot. Here's his discord. If you want me to show you my entire DM history with him, I have no issue streaming it for you in that server. You won't even have to talk. I can just scroll up.
I don't have anything to hide or get defensive and accusatory about, bossman.
Sure, yeah. He's in this thread. Go dig through his profile and his offsite links at your pleasure.
Here's him posting it, since I didn't get him in the first screenshot. Here's his discord. If you want me to show you my entire DM history with him, I have no issue streaming it for you in that server. You won't even have to talk. I can just scroll up.
I don't have anything to hide or get defensive and accusatory about, bossman.
You realise this was just a direct mockery of your complot theories about how retired moderators are damage controlling right? I don't really want to scroll through your Discord as the blatant racism and sexism which you allow are too much for me.
Steph said: So why are you acting like healthcare is a profit centre? Germany is known for one of the better healthcare systems in the world, no point in even bringing this up. do i trust capitalists and private enterprises enough to not try to make it like it is in the states? lmao no do i trust arming the types of people who turned the US into what it currently is with stuff like AI with that in mind? lmao no Very simple thought process to follow, y'know Steph said: Shit, never knew they were teaching people to speak fluent English in primary schools, but you got me there! If only I used my big friend ChatGPT I could have prevented you humiliating my entire 144 word essay about how it is normal to still have contact with people based on a simple ESL mistake. They literally do in Germany, yes sounds like a skill issue to me tbh Steph said: You realise this was just a direct mockery of your complot theories about how retired moderators are damage controlling right? I don't really want to scroll through your Discord as the blatant racism and sexism which you allow are too much for me. Chief, I literally throw people out just for being too right-wing at this point. I have *purged* over it in the past. I did it over a *dogwhistle* just last week. If you want to get upset about me responding to racists with pictures of dead nazis, you're free to do so, but c'mon. You're going to have to try harder than that. The MAL staff themselves allows more racism on the forums than H&E does in its server. MAL ecchi fans are nothing like Twitter ecchi fans, we actively distance ourselves from that. Best not to rely on that comparison to try to slander me and my community, especially since my political views are super clear by now to anybody who'd bother to read all of this very conversation in the first place. I haven't been trying to be subtle about it. And I can assure you, I'm not the tolerant left that will suffer being around fascists and racists. Anyway, I responded like I did to prove I have nothing to hide. I made a point to be thorough about it, too. It's a good contrast with your aggression on the subject after I brought it up, y'know? |
ManabanMay 9, 11:33 AM
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Steph said:
So why are you acting like healthcare is a profit centre? Germany is known for one of the better healthcare systems in the world, no point in even bringing this up.
So why are you acting like healthcare is a profit centre? Germany is known for one of the better healthcare systems in the world, no point in even bringing this up.
do i trust capitalists and private enterprises enough to not try to make it like it is in the states?
lmao no
do i trust arming the types of people who turned the US into what it currently is with stuff like AI with that in mind?
lmao no
Very simple thought process to follow, y'know
Steph said:
Shit, never knew they were teaching people to speak fluent English in primary schools, but you got me there! If only I used my big friend ChatGPT I could have prevented you humiliating my entire 144 word essay about how it is normal to still have contact with people based on a simple ESL mistake.
Shit, never knew they were teaching people to speak fluent English in primary schools, but you got me there! If only I used my big friend ChatGPT I could have prevented you humiliating my entire 144 word essay about how it is normal to still have contact with people based on a simple ESL mistake.
They literally do in Germany, yes
sounds like a skill issue to me tbh
Steph said:
You realise this was just a direct mockery of your complot theories about how retired moderators are damage controlling right? I don't really want to scroll through your Discord as the blatant racism and sexism which you allow are too much for me.
You realise this was just a direct mockery of your complot theories about how retired moderators are damage controlling right? I don't really want to scroll through your Discord as the blatant racism and sexism which you allow are too much for me.
Chief, I literally throw people out just for being too right-wing at this point. I have *purged* over it in the past. I did it over a *dogwhistle* just last week. If you want to get upset about me responding to racists with pictures of dead nazis, you're free to do so, but c'mon. You're going to have to try harder than that. The MAL staff themselves allows more racism on the forums than H&E does in its server.
MAL ecchi fans are nothing like Twitter ecchi fans, we actively distance ourselves from that. Best not to rely on that comparison to try to slander me and my community, especially since my political views are super clear by now to anybody who'd bother to read all of this very conversation in the first place. I haven't been trying to be subtle about it. And I can assure you, I'm not the tolerant left that will suffer being around fascists and racists.
Anyway, I responded like I did to prove I have nothing to hide. I made a point to be thorough about it, too. It's a good contrast with your aggression on the subject after I brought it up, y'know?
If you really want to talk about education and skill issues in regards to this, why not share the degree's you have under your belt? You are talking here like you are a high educated person and everyone who learned less than you is therefore stupid and has a skill issue. Back your claims, show those degrees. Nothing to be scared off. Manaban said: Chief, I literally throw people out just for being too right-wing. I did it over a *dogwhistle* just last week. If you want to get upset about me responding to racists with pictures of dead nazis, you're free to do so, but c'mon. You're going to have to try harder than that. The MAL staff themselves allows more racism than H&E does. MAL ecchi fans are nothing like Twitter ecchi fans, we actively distance ourselves from that. Best not to rely on that comparison to try to slander me and my community, especially since my political views are super clear by now to anybody who'd bother to read all of this very conversation in the first place. Glad you and your community distance yourself from that. Actually for your information, there is this certain word to describe people who love the same gender which is actually considered a slur. You actually used it this week! Don't act like your discord is full of saints, your discord is full of people who love to spread chaos, the exact thing you are doing by reacting under this thread. Back to the original topic, there is no reason to panic, ur messages only wreak havoc. |
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If you really want to talk about education and skill issues in regards to this, why not share the degree's you have under your belt? You are talking here like you are a high educated person and everyone who learned less than you is therefore stupid and has a skill issue. Back your claims, show those degrees. Nothing to be scared off.
Manaban said:
Chief, I literally throw people out just for being too right-wing. I did it over a *dogwhistle* just last week. If you want to get upset about me responding to racists with pictures of dead nazis, you're free to do so, but c'mon. You're going to have to try harder than that. The MAL staff themselves allows more racism than H&E does.
MAL ecchi fans are nothing like Twitter ecchi fans, we actively distance ourselves from that. Best not to rely on that comparison to try to slander me and my community, especially since my political views are super clear by now to anybody who'd bother to read all of this very conversation in the first place.
Chief, I literally throw people out just for being too right-wing. I did it over a *dogwhistle* just last week. If you want to get upset about me responding to racists with pictures of dead nazis, you're free to do so, but c'mon. You're going to have to try harder than that. The MAL staff themselves allows more racism than H&E does.
MAL ecchi fans are nothing like Twitter ecchi fans, we actively distance ourselves from that. Best not to rely on that comparison to try to slander me and my community, especially since my political views are super clear by now to anybody who'd bother to read all of this very conversation in the first place.
Glad you and your community distance yourself from that. Actually for your information, there is this certain word to describe people who love the same gender which is actually considered a slur. You actually used it this week!
Don't act like your discord is full of saints, your discord is full of people who love to spread chaos, the exact thing you are doing by reacting under this thread. Back to the original topic, there is no reason to panic, ur messages only wreak havoc.
| @Steph I'll give you this last one, since you got this reply off before I edited my little goodbye message in. Steph said: If you really want to talk about education and skill issues in regards to this, why not share the degree's you have under your belt? You are talking here like you are a high educated person and everyone who learned less than you is therefore stupid and has a skill issue. Back your claims, show those degrees. Nothing to be scared off. 1. No, I'm not digging out my degrees to prove anything to you. They have my real name on them. I don't mind sharing my job or where I currently live, but I would like to maintain my privacy to some extent. And since I'm about to leave this conversation entirely, I'm not going to drag them out, take pictures, upload those pictures somewhere, and enter a program where I can edit it so I can censor my name. You're not worth the effort, and I'm not interested enough to put in that kind of effort anymore. 2. The only people I've called stupid so far were people who rely on ChatGPT to do their schoolwork for them. I brought my job and location into it because I know if a staff member pulled my IP they could see my current location, which is decisively not in Europe right now. I've talked to you like you were dumb for trying to make arguments towards the rules and policies rather than the damage something is currently doing on the ground level, and basing entire arguments off of really basic misreads of the English language despite clearly being fluent. Like, really now. I don't know what else you expect. Steph said: Glad you and your community distance yourself from that. Actually for your information, there is this certain word to describe people who love the same gender which is actually considered a slur. You actually used it this week! Oh yeah, and I'll use it again and again in there. I know I used it, I know I'll use it, and I know the type of people who I use it as a descriptive for. I very much believe in the idea that self-policing against people who don't self-police themselves in the same way is just handicapping yourself, and that you can use language to pry away at them and their sense of security in what they believe. Remember, online, these people are mostly afraid of being seen as weird, unmanly, and uncool. They want to be the cool troll dudes who shock people. I'll hit back harder. And harder. And harder. There's a difference between having a belief system and caring if people think you're a good person. Go ahead and tell anybody on this site that Manaban is not a nice guy who says and does mean things to people sometimes. I'll support you on that, if you like. You'll probably get either "Who's that?" or "Yeah I know lol" as a response. Steph said: Don't act like your discord is full of saints, your discord is full of people who love to spread chaos, the exact thing you are doing by reacting under this thread. Back to the original topic, there is no reason to panic, ur messages only wreak havoc. 1. Then where are they in this thread? One personal friend who isn't a regular is the best you got so far, chief. We're so out to cause chaos that I've linked this thread in there to show someone my post and nobody else is showing up despite having access to it. 2. There is 100% a reason to panic. There is a reason to be unsure about the future of this website. There is a reason to be angry and to express dissent. You're downplaying it now, you downplayed it in the past, and you'll probably downplay it in the future. You're telling people not to be upset in light of everything I've said in my first post "because it wreaks havoc" but sometimes havoc is a good thing to get a specific type of point across to authority figures. A tool for expression or some shit, just like MAL is saying AI is :) Playing pinkerton to the protestors when you're not even obligated to anymore just makes you seem kind of lame, to be honest. And I think Kineta is married already if I remember right, so tough luck on that front, boss. Anyway, like I originally edited into the end of my last post, this is going nowhere. We're just discussing economic systems, schools and my club's discord server at this point. It's distracting from the actual issue, which is that an NFT/AI company now owns this website and is probably going to drive it to the ground. I'll refocus on that. Ciao. |
ManabanMay 9, 12:11 PM
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| Hey, as long as the UI isn't altered for the worse, I really care either way. Gaudiy's official website design doesn't inspire confidence in how long it takes to load (ironic for a "minimalist" display of web design), how it assaults your eyes with tacky neubrutalist colours that don't complement each other, and its general obvious problem of having far too much wasted space. However, that doesn't necessarily mean their approach to web design for what is primarily a marketing site will be imposed on a databasing website like MAL, which prioritises function above all else. |
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| @Filopyon I'm not saying to add Bob's Burgers or Ed Edd and Eddy, wtf lol? I literally addressed this concern about cartoons in my post lol. If you're going to ignore a lot of my post, it's very clear you just want to read what you want to read. It seems you already have this strawman in your head about non-existent users who wants to add My Little Pony level cartoons to the database top ten alongside anime you like, as it's a concern you brought up, but that's not me. Wtf? Again, I addressed this. No one confuses those American cartoons with "true" anime. But, I am in favor of adding a select few of the very different animeish shows that users often confuse with anime and we make distinctions about their non-anime origin here. Same with Chinese "anime" rampant on the site. btw I also believe they should be kept from the rankings. It would be insane to have THIS in the top ten lol or even Castlevania. https://myanimelist.net/anime/45056/Chihuo_Yuzhou/pics Concerning the anime-ish shows like CV and Scott Pilgrim, which was within my original point, not Bob's Burgers lol, I'm ok with just adding adding a select few (as stated) alongside true anime here and the site pointing out their non-anime status on their page. While they aren't anime, a lot consider them so and confuse them with it. MAL database should be an authority and top Google search for these. It's MyANIMElist not MyCARTOONlist!!! Yeah. This argument again. But the problem is, overwhelming numbers consider these anime lol. You go out and interact with users online and this is what you hear everywhere. We can address these series as such and properly categorize them here (South Korean animation, etc). Also, same with the Chinese cartoons already here. The Shanghai Studios Foodiverse series should have a clear Chinese animation label by its title if it's going to have a page here. There is far more MAL competition than Anilist. A bit misrepresentative of my point, I feel. When you make stuff up and misrepresent others disingenuously, it only negates your own point. I'm not being condescending to you, but you are clearly very passionate (as I am) so I'd recommend not doing this, to better get your point across later. Most important imo I'm also addressing the reasons users said they leave the site for others; you're dismissing actual user's concerns with "good riddance" because you're threatened by a strawman. My post was to (1) add the backlog of legit anime/manga waiting to be added to bring those users around along with (2) selectively add the anime-ish shows, which you zeroed in on. But.. "good riddance"? Just because users want to add series they think are anime? wtf lol I'd rethink such a stance. It's possible to want a more pure MAL, as you do, without these motivations and tactics. This way, you can probably convince more people to see things your way. Or, you may find you actually change your stance when it's based on honesty and consideration of others instead of "FUCK THOSE PEOPLE" lol. deg said: with 10 billion yen investment or 70 million dollars surely they can allocate some few of that to actually paying database moderators (current database moderators are just volunteers) to expand the database to anime style shows like you mentioned I think many users would do this for free actually! haha. But finding trustworthy ones.. I guess you'd have to pay :D |
Shishio-kunMay 9, 12:13 PM
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| honestly there's not only more competition than anilist but like. better competition. if you want an old-school style site try aniDB. they emphasize databasing more than community so it never appealed much to me personally since that's dead opposite of my priorities, but overall its an old school website with an old school UI with a big emphasis on maintaining the most quality DB they can. anilist is kind of bad tbh. like yeah I'll take it over a data farm if forced to choose between the two at gunpoint but they're still super tight about moderation in a way that 1. the average MAL user definitely won't be able to tolerate and 2. isn't exclusive to people who posts on forums so don't think you'll ever be safe from them if you just wanna maintain a list. they will legit dig you up and mod action you over like. a swimsuit pic on your profile. it's wack. real gestapo shit tbh |
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| I want to see Scott Pilgrim Takes Off added to the database. Thanks! |
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| Like someone already said, I'd like there to be an option to revert to the old UI if the UI gets a rework. I'm still on this site because this current UI is better especially for PC users imo. Anilist is awful for PC use. Other than that, my own requested feature is creating a Visual Novel database and list/allowing VNs to be added. This is a really big one though but its just what I would really want to see. I also makes sense imo. Anime, Manga, Light Novels, Visual Novels are the main 4 media a lot of people in the anime community/otakus watch/read, so including Visual Novels on this site, even if its just with a "currently playing/reading" and "completed" option (so without dividing it into chapters or routes) and a rating, makes a lot of sense imo. |
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Shishio-kun said:
I'm not saying to add Bob's Burgers or Ed Edd and Eddy, wtf lol? I literally addressed this concern about cartoons in my post lol. If you're going to ignore a lot of my post, it's very clear you just want to read what you want to read. It seems you already have this strawman in your head about non-existent users who wants to add My Little Pony level cartoons to the database top ten alongside anime you like, as it's a concern you brought up, but that's not me. Wtf? Again, I addressed this.
No one confuses those American cartoons with "true" anime. But, I am in favor of adding a select few of the very different animeish shows that users often confuse with anime and we make distinctions about their non-anime origin here. Same with Chinese "anime" rampant on the site. btw I also believe they should be kept from the rankings. It would be insane to have THIS in the top ten lol or even Castlevania.
https://myanimelist.net/anime/45056/Chihuo_Yuzhou/pics
But the problem is, overwhelming numbers consider these anime lol. You go out and interact with users online and this is what you hear everywhere. We can address these series as such and properly categorize them here (South Korean animation, etc). Also, same with the Chinese cartoons already here. The Shanghai Studios Foodiverse series should have a clear Chinese animation label by its title if it's going to have a page here.
I'm not saying to add Bob's Burgers or Ed Edd and Eddy, wtf lol? I literally addressed this concern about cartoons in my post lol. If you're going to ignore a lot of my post, it's very clear you just want to read what you want to read. It seems you already have this strawman in your head about non-existent users who wants to add My Little Pony level cartoons to the database top ten alongside anime you like, as it's a concern you brought up, but that's not me. Wtf? Again, I addressed this.
No one confuses those American cartoons with "true" anime. But, I am in favor of adding a select few of the very different animeish shows that users often confuse with anime and we make distinctions about their non-anime origin here. Same with Chinese "anime" rampant on the site. btw I also believe they should be kept from the rankings. It would be insane to have THIS in the top ten lol or even Castlevania.
https://myanimelist.net/anime/45056/Chihuo_Yuzhou/pics
But the problem is, overwhelming numbers consider these anime lol. You go out and interact with users online and this is what you hear everywhere. We can address these series as such and properly categorize them here (South Korean animation, etc). Also, same with the Chinese cartoons already here. The Shanghai Studios Foodiverse series should have a clear Chinese animation label by its title if it's going to have a page here.
Never claimed you did, just stating which lines will eventually be crossed when you start with "Oh just do this show because it looks anime-ish". It will turn to "Oh do this show now because it is animated!" and "Why not add all cartoons as A LOT OF PEOPLE on myanimelist watches English Dubs anyways so it doesn't matter!".
That's why the I continued my post by stating that if they go that direction, I would prefer it to be Simkl-like where different kinds of media are separated and not this site going to be a mish-mash of all sorts of Anime, cartoons and regular series with top lists being a complete mess of all those things combined.
As an example I don't want to see Marvel-Andy's come here barrage the top lists and argue on Anime pages about how their garbage Spiderman is better than every anime ever made.
Shishio-kun said:
Concerning the anime-ish shows like CV and Scott Pilgrim, which was my whole original point, not Bob's Burgers lol, I'm ok with just adding adding a select few (as stated) alongside true anime here and the site pointing out their non-anime status on their page. While they aren't anime, a lot consider them so and confuse them with it. MAL database should be an authority and top Google search for these.
Concerning the anime-ish shows like CV and Scott Pilgrim, which was my whole original point, not Bob's Burgers lol, I'm ok with just adding adding a select few (as stated) alongside true anime here and the site pointing out their non-anime status on their page. While they aren't anime, a lot consider them so and confuse them with it. MAL database should be an authority and top Google search for these.
So basically what you're pleading for is adding shows to the database because people confuse them to be anime, so we add them to the database just so people know it's not anime? Considering how stupid people are, I guess we need to add every single Cartoon to the database because they might think every cartoon = anime. See where this is going? Where do you draw the line? Who draws the lines, you?
Shishio-kun said:
Most important imo
I'm also addressing the reasons users said they leave the site for others; you're dismissing actual user's concerns with "good riddance" because you're threatened by a strawman. My post was to (1) add the backlog of legit anime/manga waiting to be added to bring those users around along with (2) selectively add the anime-ish shows, which you zeroed in on. But.. "good riddance"? Just because users want to add series they think are anime? wtf lol I'd rethink such a stance. It's possible to want a more pure MAL, as you do, without these motivations and tactics. This way, you can probably convince more people to see things your way. Or, you may find you actually change your stance when it's based on honesty and consideration of others instead of "FUCK THOSE PEOPLE" lol.
Most important imo
I'm also addressing the reasons users said they leave the site for others; you're dismissing actual user's concerns with "good riddance" because you're threatened by a strawman. My post was to (1) add the backlog of legit anime/manga waiting to be added to bring those users around along with (2) selectively add the anime-ish shows, which you zeroed in on. But.. "good riddance"? Just because users want to add series they think are anime? wtf lol I'd rethink such a stance. It's possible to want a more pure MAL, as you do, without these motivations and tactics. This way, you can probably convince more people to see things your way. Or, you may find you actually change your stance when it's based on honesty and consideration of others instead of "FUCK THOSE PEOPLE" lol.
If a few missing entries makes people leave a site entirely then they're not your target audience. Just like a shoe store doesn't need to sell glasses.
It's MyANIMElist not MyCARTOONlist!!! Yeah. This argument again.
Because it isn't.
Shishio-kun said:
There is far more MAL competition than Anilist. A bit misrepresentative of my point, I feel.
There is far more MAL competition than Anilist. A bit misrepresentative of my point, I feel.
I never stated there is NO other competition than Anilist, I stated: "Anilist is MyAnimelist's biggest competitor as far as I'm aware"
Shishio-kun said:
When you make stuff up and misrepresent others disingenuously, it only negates your own point. I'm not being condescending to you, but you are clearly very passionate (as I am) so I'd recommend not doing this, to better get your point across later.
When you make stuff up and misrepresent others disingenuously, it only negates your own point. I'm not being condescending to you, but you are clearly very passionate (as I am) so I'd recommend not doing this, to better get your point across later.
Very ironic considering you're claiming things I've never said. I've seen numerous "lols" in your post, which is presumably your attempt to put me down as a moron. I also noticed you are trying to gaslight me in your post a multitude of times. Your intelligence is showing.
You might want to take a walk outside, cool your head and take a chill pill. The entire world is not against you. You can simply state agree to disagree and be done with it. Not sure why you feel the need to kick me in the ground because I don't agree with you.
So unless you have something constructive to say about my opinion on the matter instead of me personally, I rather not be replied to.
Filopyon said: So basically what you're pleading for is adding shows to the database because people confuse them to be anime, so we add them to the database just so people know it's not anime? Considering how stupid people are, I guess we need to add every single Cartoon to the database because they might think every cartoon = anime. See where this is going? Where do you draw the line? Who draws the lines, you? Not to mention, people will be more likely to mistake such shows for anime if they are added to an anime database. |
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Reply to Estefan
Well, the site https://gaudiy.com/en/ and the promo video on it look kinda avant garde I guess.
Not sure what to think of it.
They have some rather big names among their partners (https://site.gaudiy.com/en/product), who hopefully have an interest to keep the existing users/livestock, and hopefully prevent too fancy innovations/escapades.
Not sure what to think of it.
They have some rather big names among their partners (https://site.gaudiy.com/en/product), who hopefully have an interest to keep the existing users/livestock, and hopefully prevent too fancy innovations/escapades.
| @Estefan I agree, their site is the opposite of generic. At least we know, they can do custom things. |
Reply to Tropisch
"AI is the future" hahaha what the fuck. The whole point I liked this site is that it hadn't cucked out to AI billshit. I can't wait to see this site go down in flames while people retort unironically "AI is the future"...
| @Tropisch To be fair I genuinely cannot think of like ANY way they can shove AI slop into MAL, just because of how the site fundamentally works. Maybe gaudiy will find a way but as someone who's had a fair amount of experience with stupid websites shoving AI in my face, I can't seem to figure out how'd they do it for MAL. ALSO: Considering MAL seems to have genuine competition from other sites and unlike say YouTube isn't beholdent to complacency as a monopoly, maybe shit won't get so bad. Shitty changes only really happen a lot with monopolies in certain spaces :/ |
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Reply to WeaponArchitect
@Tropisch To be fair I genuinely cannot think of like ANY way they can shove AI slop into MAL, just because of how the site fundamentally works. Maybe gaudiy will find a way but as someone who's had a fair amount of experience with stupid websites shoving AI in my face, I can't seem to figure out how'd they do it for MAL.
ALSO: Considering MAL seems to have genuine competition from other sites and unlike say YouTube isn't beholdent to complacency as a monopoly, maybe shit won't get so bad. Shitty changes only really happen a lot with monopolies in certain spaces :/
ALSO: Considering MAL seems to have genuine competition from other sites and unlike say YouTube isn't beholdent to complacency as a monopoly, maybe shit won't get so bad. Shitty changes only really happen a lot with monopolies in certain spaces :/
| @WeaponArchitect there was the suggestion bot April fools.... that could become real... |
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Reply to deg
>making Gaudiy the sole owner of MAL
and some of the staff current and old are saying this web3/ai company is not the majority owner of mal
>What's the #1 improvement you want to see? (You can only pick 1!)
where is the planned countdown for this page https://myanimelist.net/anime/season
im using livechart and anilist for countdown at the moment
and some of the staff current and old are saying this web3/ai company is not the majority owner of mal
>What's the #1 improvement you want to see? (You can only pick 1!)
where is the planned countdown for this page https://myanimelist.net/anime/season
im using livechart and anilist for countdown at the moment
| @deg i second the countdown! livechart is great but itd be nice to have it all here. as well as showing how many episodes are currently out for those ongoing series |
Kineta said: With that in mind: What's the #1 improvement you want to see? Add an option to use English Anime titles everywhere on the site. Also, add an option to browse high-quality underrated Manga that don’t have Anime adaptations. |
𝗆𝗋𝗋𝗉 𝗆𝗋𝗋𝗉 !! :3  |
| I see a lot of people wanting a new UI, but honestly, the UI is fine as is. A revamp would take years and likely be a trade-off of good and bad. Incremental improvements where required are great and welcome, but an overhaul feels like a waste of time and money. |
| I'd like to see improved filters on the site so I can filter characters, anime, and people in the industry (VAs, Mangaka, Animators...) in the top lists. |
| I already use browser plugins to block the ads and most of the other crap that's shoved in my face here, my request is that they don't add more (not really a request though, I'll either block anything else that's added or just leave if I can't). |
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Reply to Lost_Viking
I already use browser plugins to block the ads and most of the other crap that's shoved in my face here, my request is that they don't add more (not really a request though, I'll either block anything else that's added or just leave if I can't).
Lost_Viking said: block the ads Let's be reasonable here alright? How the server costs are gonna be covered? I am sure you don't want 5 minutes to load a page and that how the money from the ads are used. Be thankful that we don't have pop hyperlink ads that open tabs every 2 seconds |
Reply to Atromentina
I want to see Scott Pilgrim Takes Off added to the database. Thanks!
| @Atromentina Is it that difficult to read the rules of the website you are using (https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=141101)?: I. Anime Additions Additions to MyAnimeList's Anime DB must fit within the following scope: I.1 Country of Origin Animated works must be created: in Japan for the Japanese market (anime) in Korea for the Korean market (aeni) in China, Hong Kong, and Taiwan for their respective markets (donghua) as a joint production between Japan/Korea/China/Taiwan and another country, for both markets |
Reply to Shishio-kun
@Filopyon
I'm not saying to add Bob's Burgers or Ed Edd and Eddy, wtf lol? I literally addressed this concern about cartoons in my post lol. If you're going to ignore a lot of my post, it's very clear you just want to read what you want to read. It seems you already have this strawman in your head about non-existent users who wants to add My Little Pony level cartoons to the database top ten alongside anime you like, as it's a concern you brought up, but that's not me. Wtf? Again, I addressed this.
No one confuses those American cartoons with "true" anime. But, I am in favor of adding a select few of the very different animeish shows that users often confuse with anime and we make distinctions about their non-anime origin here. Same with Chinese "anime" rampant on the site. btw I also believe they should be kept from the rankings. It would be insane to have THIS in the top ten lol or even Castlevania.
https://myanimelist.net/anime/45056/Chihuo_Yuzhou/pics
Concerning the anime-ish shows like CV and Scott Pilgrim, which was within my original point, not Bob's Burgers lol, I'm ok with just adding adding a select few (as stated) alongside true anime here and the site pointing out their non-anime status on their page. While they aren't anime, a lot consider them so and confuse them with it. MAL database should be an authority and top Google search for these.
It's MyANIMElist not MyCARTOONlist!!! Yeah. This argument again. But the problem is, overwhelming numbers consider these anime lol. You go out and interact with users online and this is what you hear everywhere. We can address these series as such and properly categorize them here (South Korean animation, etc). Also, same with the Chinese cartoons already here. The Shanghai Studios Foodiverse series should have a clear Chinese animation label by its title if it's going to have a page here.
There is far more MAL competition than Anilist. A bit misrepresentative of my point, I feel.
When you make stuff up and misrepresent others disingenuously, it only negates your own point. I'm not being condescending to you, but you are clearly very passionate (as I am) so I'd recommend not doing this, to better get your point across later.
Most important imo
I'm also addressing the reasons users said they leave the site for others; you're dismissing actual user's concerns with "good riddance" because you're threatened by a strawman. My post was to (1) add the backlog of legit anime/manga waiting to be added to bring those users around along with (2) selectively add the anime-ish shows, which you zeroed in on. But.. "good riddance"? Just because users want to add series they think are anime? wtf lol I'd rethink such a stance. It's possible to want a more pure MAL, as you do, without these motivations and tactics. This way, you can probably convince more people to see things your way. Or, you may find you actually change your stance when it's based on honesty and consideration of others instead of "FUCK THOSE PEOPLE" lol.
I think many users would do this for free actually! haha. But finding trustworthy ones.. I guess you'd have to pay :D
I'm not saying to add Bob's Burgers or Ed Edd and Eddy, wtf lol? I literally addressed this concern about cartoons in my post lol. If you're going to ignore a lot of my post, it's very clear you just want to read what you want to read. It seems you already have this strawman in your head about non-existent users who wants to add My Little Pony level cartoons to the database top ten alongside anime you like, as it's a concern you brought up, but that's not me. Wtf? Again, I addressed this.
No one confuses those American cartoons with "true" anime. But, I am in favor of adding a select few of the very different animeish shows that users often confuse with anime and we make distinctions about their non-anime origin here. Same with Chinese "anime" rampant on the site. btw I also believe they should be kept from the rankings. It would be insane to have THIS in the top ten lol or even Castlevania.
https://myanimelist.net/anime/45056/Chihuo_Yuzhou/pics
Concerning the anime-ish shows like CV and Scott Pilgrim, which was within my original point, not Bob's Burgers lol, I'm ok with just adding adding a select few (as stated) alongside true anime here and the site pointing out their non-anime status on their page. While they aren't anime, a lot consider them so and confuse them with it. MAL database should be an authority and top Google search for these.
It's MyANIMElist not MyCARTOONlist!!! Yeah. This argument again. But the problem is, overwhelming numbers consider these anime lol. You go out and interact with users online and this is what you hear everywhere. We can address these series as such and properly categorize them here (South Korean animation, etc). Also, same with the Chinese cartoons already here. The Shanghai Studios Foodiverse series should have a clear Chinese animation label by its title if it's going to have a page here.
There is far more MAL competition than Anilist. A bit misrepresentative of my point, I feel.
When you make stuff up and misrepresent others disingenuously, it only negates your own point. I'm not being condescending to you, but you are clearly very passionate (as I am) so I'd recommend not doing this, to better get your point across later.
Most important imo
I'm also addressing the reasons users said they leave the site for others; you're dismissing actual user's concerns with "good riddance" because you're threatened by a strawman. My post was to (1) add the backlog of legit anime/manga waiting to be added to bring those users around along with (2) selectively add the anime-ish shows, which you zeroed in on. But.. "good riddance"? Just because users want to add series they think are anime? wtf lol I'd rethink such a stance. It's possible to want a more pure MAL, as you do, without these motivations and tactics. This way, you can probably convince more people to see things your way. Or, you may find you actually change your stance when it's based on honesty and consideration of others instead of "FUCK THOSE PEOPLE" lol.
deg said:
with 10 billion yen investment or 70 million dollars surely they can allocate some few of that to actually paying database moderators (current database moderators are just volunteers) to expand the database to anime style shows like you mentioned
with 10 billion yen investment or 70 million dollars surely they can allocate some few of that to actually paying database moderators (current database moderators are just volunteers) to expand the database to anime style shows like you mentioned
I think many users would do this for free actually! haha. But finding trustworthy ones.. I guess you'd have to pay :D
Shishio-kun said: But the problem is, overwhelming numbers consider these anime lol Who gives a damn?. These are the rules of the anime that can be added in the database(https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=141101): I. Anime Additions Additions to MyAnimeList's Anime DB must fit within the following scope: I.1 Country of Origin Animated works must be created: in Japan for the Japanese market (anime) in Korea for the Korean market (aeni) in China, Hong Kong, and Taiwan for their respective markets (donghua) as a joint production between Japan/Korea/China/Taiwan and another country, for both markets ------------------------------------------------------------------- You agreed to those rules when you people created this account so you now you can't demand for the rules to be changed |
Reply to ReaperCreeper
St0rmblade said:
Better database maintenance and moderation. Thousands of entries (especially for manga) are pending for years, this is not normal. This is #1 thing that should be solved by MAL, everything else is secondary.
Yeah, this.Better database maintenance and moderation. Thousands of entries (especially for manga) are pending for years, this is not normal. This is #1 thing that should be solved by MAL, everything else is secondary.
Yubisoft said:
Here is one of many personal examples of me waiting for a bloody light novel to be accept since the damn 2022 :
https://myanimelist.net/forum/?goto=post&topicid=60876&id=71448620
I made a submission for a oneshot in 2016 and they only got around to it last year.Here is one of many personal examples of me waiting for a bloody light novel to be accept since the damn 2022 :
https://myanimelist.net/forum/?goto=post&topicid=60876&id=71448620
| @ReaperCreeper 2016? Damn. They have 12 manga mods that none of them are professionals and as I said only the minority do their job properly and the rest either they are arrogant pricks(I wish I could name them here) or log in every 6 months to work on more than 4000 thousand entries. It's a disaster and extremely weird that they haven't made this problem on of their most important priorities. |
| Adding a +1 to the calls not to change the UI. I have no idea why some complain about the UI; use Anilist or one of the other countless alternatives with a "modern" UI if you want it so badly. Please don't destroy one of the last refuges of good user interface left on the internet. If this occurs I'll move to AniDB with the quickness. Some are suggesting an option to keep the old one, but 99% of the time when this happens said option is later removed and the userbase is forced onto the new one anyway. Seen it happen too many times. |
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| Not Sony... anyone but them... *sigh* Just revert the review system to pre-emojis if you can. |
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| I really want more stats and a complete history of episodes watched, not just one that loses watch history after 30 days. I don’t want Scott Pilgrim on the site though. |
Reply to Yubisoft
@Atromentina
Is it that difficult to read the rules of the website you are using (https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=141101)?:
I. Anime Additions
Additions to MyAnimeList's Anime DB must fit within the following scope:
I.1 Country of Origin
Animated works must be created:
in Japan for the Japanese market (anime)
in Korea for the Korean market (aeni)
in China, Hong Kong, and Taiwan for their respective markets (donghua)
as a joint production between Japan/Korea/China/Taiwan and another country, for both markets
Is it that difficult to read the rules of the website you are using (https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=141101)?:
I. Anime Additions
Additions to MyAnimeList's Anime DB must fit within the following scope:
I.1 Country of Origin
Animated works must be created:
in Japan for the Japanese market (anime)
in Korea for the Korean market (aeni)
in China, Hong Kong, and Taiwan for their respective markets (donghua)
as a joint production between Japan/Korea/China/Taiwan and another country, for both markets
| @Yubisoft Is it that difficult to turn on the irony detector? |
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