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Apr 28, 4:18 PM
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I don't mind a little fan service but I'm not a huge fan of it. I just don't like when it takes me out of the story or when all of the female characters in a show are constantly subjected to it. I understand that the main audience is young japanese men/teenagers though so I guess it's to be expected.
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I can literally pull up articles accusing Euphoria of being pornography and exploitive. It's has gotten critiqued plenty due to the fact it's focused on HS characters.

Well duh, it's a nukige by CLOCK-UP, what did you expect?
@thewiru Oh yeah forgot about that, no I am talking about the popular live action TV show not the VN/hentai. The one that has Zendaya in it.
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Fine, I'll bite, I think the ever-present fanservice is probably one of the worst things about anime. For me, it practically ruins the part of whatever I'm watching and more often than not I just find myself wanting to completely skip the scene.

One of the reasons for my actual hatred of this practice is quite simply that I don't need everything in my life to be sexualised. Not everything you watch has to be sexually arousing to keep your attention, right? It's useless and could just be replaced with a more pretty shot/scene... And it's not only in anime intended for adults, shonen as well contains way too much sexual content for the intended demographic!

Constant fanservice also contributes to an oversexualisation of women as a whole (Yes, men are also sexualised in anime, but just way less). Though I'm not a woman and thus can't really speak for them, it can be rather damaging. In anime, women are often objectified, seen as something that simply exists for men's sexual pleasure, which can lead to real-world objectification as well. Not to mention the sexualisation of children in anime - my God.

As to why fanservice in anime is not okay and fanservice in western media is:
I'll start off by saying neither of them are fine and objectification is inherently a bad thing, both of the movies you listed are from 1982 and we've (mostly) moved on from the commodification of women nowadays. Fanservice in anime is often more extreme in nature than that in a western movie, I think. Where, in western media, most of what you'll get is some character being promiscuously clothed and showing some cleavage, in anime there's a lot more to be found. Classic examples in Neon Genesis Evangelion, with that damned Rei shower scene and the like come to mind. Unless you're Eric Prydz, western artists are way less likely to have long shots of some character's ass than their Japanese counterparts.
@bingusmingus Well said. The fan service towards male characters is nowhere near as common or as oversexualized as female characters. As a woman, it can be kind of jarring to see those scenes in an otherwise not sexual anime and so many of the characters are minors.
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@perseii There's still nudity in movies, i'm sure, i just haven't watched enough modern television or film to give examples. The Friday the 13th 2009 remake had a lot of sex scenes, 50 shades of gray came out fairly recently
@TheBlockernator More exploitative slasher movies, and a movie that's basically soft porn for bored moms.

If you want to understand why people complain about fanservice in anime, picture this:
Lord of the Ring, but Legolas is a bimbo, and Gandalf is a loli. Aragorn falls on Legolas' tits every 5 minutes, and every important action scene/discussion is peppered with awkward camera angles to peek under Gandalf's robes.

@Piromysl Raunchy comedies have already been mentionned, it's not what most people who diss fanservice have a problem with. Besides, South Park? We're losing the plot here.
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lying that Japanese aiming fanservice at kids is rather disingenuous.

*coughs* It's not like Pokemon has that banned beach episode where James (yes, James) grows giant tits and tries to beat Misty in a bikini competition. Really fun episode, tho.
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Sometimes it just feels unnecessary. What if my mom walks in on it? 😂. Especially when the storyline is good yet the fanservice is crazy-

It kinda makes me uncomfortable as woman- 😭 [I'm okay with anime women and men showing off built muscles but not when they animate those jiggle physics or somethin']
@Cherie_758 you realise the anime you are talking about are for Japanese who aren't as big fictional pruders or they air during adult times meaning you're meant to have moved out your parents house when you watch them. tv series and western games like last of us part 2 or baldurs gate 3 have mocapped sex scenes but thats somehow ok with the same crowd who hates anime fanservice.
and no, ecchi isn't better than fanservice. ecchi is too much while normal casual fanservice is for people with patrician taste.
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wow this thread is full of american grifters who think FLCL was good because of it's realism and not because it's animation to the extreme ie absolved of the confines of realism.

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ou wouldn't understand because you're a porn addict.


No i'm not, i just wonder why there's a big fuss about fanservice in anime but not in other mediums
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It is always people outside trying to change media made for others. We did see the feminist demonize sexy girls in games. Kind of funny seeing the western layoffs from those decisions while gooner games like Marvel Rivals profit to the moon.
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Honestly, I hate both regular fanservice and anime fanservice. I just find sexual content in general to be uncomfortable and unnecessary most of the time. But when it comes to anime fanservice, I think the reason so many people have an even stronger reaction is because it usually involves minors, and that’s a huge issue.
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@TheBlockernator More exploitative slasher movies, and a movie that's basically soft porn for bored moms.

If you want to understand why people complain about fanservice in anime, picture this:
Lord of the Ring, but Legolas is a bimbo, and Gandalf is a loli. Aragorn falls on Legolas' tits every 5 minutes, and every important action scene/discussion is peppered with awkward camera angles to peek under Gandalf's robes.

@Piromysl Raunchy comedies have already been mentionned, it's not what most people who diss fanservice have a problem with. Besides, South Park? We're losing the plot here.
Piromysl said:
lying that Japanese aiming fanservice at kids is rather disingenuous.

*coughs* It's not like Pokemon has that banned beach episode where James (yes, James) grows giant tits and tries to beat Misty in a bikini competition. Really fun episode, tho.
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If you want to understand why people complain about fanservice in anime, picture this:
Lord of the Ring, but Legolas is a bimbo, and Gandalf is a loli. Aragorn falls on Legolas' tits every 5 minutes, and every important action scene/discussion is peppered with awkward camera angles to peek under Gandalf's robes.




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You should not ask such questions, it's not logical. But some people just want to invert morality.
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I just hate when we have people bitching about fanservice in ecchi shows on the forums. Heck, even the reviews aren't safe at times, I see people say "the fanservice ruins the show" the fuck are you watching an ecchi for then?
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I don't complain about all sexual fanservice, but the difference between those that I complain and those that I don't is not in whether or not it's in an anime or manga. It's in how it's done. Some of them get in the way of the story and the character. In an ecchi anime it is what it is, but in other genres it can get very annoying and make it feel like we can't escape it.

I can laugh at the boobs in front of the camera if the matches the tone of the anime. I can laugh at a comedy anime where the guy falls into a girl's chest, copes a feel and get punched. I can eye roll and move on from a forced panty shot. But if the guy just randomly grabs the girl's chest in the middle of the street because of "circumstances", she blushes, he apologises and we just move on in what was supposed to be a serious story, that's literally ruining the story. I can't take it seriously after that.

Similar thing with sexual fanservice designs. I don't mind all sexy designs and I can be even more tolerant for some genres, but some of the designs don't match the character and the context. It gets in the way of immersion. For example, out of all The Witcher 2 female characters, the only design that annoys me is Saskia. She's probably the most covered woman in that game and her design doesn't even really counts as fanservice. But she's the only woman on that game that isn't interested in being sexy, doesn't need sexy clothes to feel confident and should cover up for practical reasons since she's a knight. I wouldn't have minded if her casual clothes were like that, but it's her armor. Her heart is the least protected part of her body and this isn't the sort of setting where not covering the chest doesn't make difference in the protection.

I will also complain when I'm the target of the fanservice. I've seen some ridiculous clothes on male characters in romance manhwa. Notable mention to the one where ML usually wears conservative clothes, but went to a ball in a shirt with a boob window, shocking all the other characters at how inappropriate and ridiculous it was, because that was the knights' uniform shirt under the armour and he didn't have time to change clothes before going to the ball. And to the one where ML wore the ugliest painted on shirt with an opening that went almost to the belt while outside in snowy place. They are romance for adult women so fanservice is expected and wanted, but we can do fanservice without being ridiculous.
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Because people think any animated media is meant for kids.
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@BilboBaggins365 well I don't live in a shit hole country where there is education is entangled with left wing poltics. I can have my views and don't face prejudice over it.

Also the audacity to think you have to be left to have right views. I think you need to talk to more people.
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Ultra unpopular opinion: I think most people like fanservice. Looking at popular works, there's always a degree of fanservice, even in popular works. I mean, let's look at anime and then media outside of Asia.

Anime/manga: a lot of popular and mainstream anime has fanservice: One Piece, Dragonball, Fairy Tail, Bleach, Naruto, Hajime no Ipo, Berserk, Demon Slayer, One Punch Man, etc. And if you think series aimed at women are safe, think again: Nana, Paradise Kiss, Life, Ayashi no Ceres, Pink, Between the Sheets (Erica Sakurazawa), Moonlight Flowers, etc. Josei is a demographic aimed at women, and it's famous for smut. There's an entire subreddit dedicated to it.

Outside of Asia:
- Savage Beauty: a South African show with several sex scenes and sexual moments
- Blood and Water: another South African show with fanservice. A few characters are on the swim team, a running joke with one of the characters is that she has big boobs and is teasing/seducing a shy male character, plus there's even a sexy car wash scene
- Dexter: American show that shows sex scenes and shirtless women
- Game of Thrones has ... Okay, they have a lot of stuff! And that was a mainstream show. Even my mom watched it.
- One of them Days is a movie that's rather new. It sexualizes several female characters.
- Bridgerton is a British show with sexual acts every season
- Dancing on Glass is a European show (Spain) that has fanservice
- Always a Witch is a Latin American show that has shown characters in bikinis

Around the world, there's shows with fanservice and/or sex scenes. A lot of the popular anime have them. People say they hate fanservice, but a lot of popular shows have them.
Apr 28, 6:43 PM
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I don't mind them, even though I go more for the story lines nothing wrong with the little eye candy every now and then. 😁
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Because people think any animated media is meant for kids.
@RainyEvenings Honestly... I actually think this is it. Aside from obviously adult cartoons, like Family Guy, South Park, Rick and Morty, etc., Americans tend to view cartoons as something for kids. So when an animation, that isn't an obvious adult animation, has sexual content, they get outraged. Even though they're okay with it in other works.
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No matter how many times this question gets asked, it's going to be the same answers. For the most part, people don't like fanservice in anime because of the age of the characters being sexualized. Some also find it distracting from the story, a cheap way for a series to acquire engagement, and/ or don't enjoy anything sex-related in general. Although I'm just providing the opinions of anti-fanservice people that I've seen.
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@BilboBaggins365 well I don't live in a shit hole country where there is education is entangled with left wing poltics. I can have my views and don't face prejudice over it.

Also the audacity to think you have to be left to have right views. I think you need to talk to more people.
WaterMage said:
well I don't live in a shit hole country where there is education is entangled with left wing poltics. I can have my views and don't face prejudice over it.
I bet.

WaterMage said:
Also the audacity to think you have to be left to have right views. I think you need to talk to more people.
I think you need some reading comprehension. Where did I argue that? For your information, I actually do have quite a few center/right wing views. I am saying that chalking up the approval of sexual imagery into some dumb culture war battle of the woke vs the unwoke is dumb and reductive.

thewiru said:
Porn addiction is literally not real, BTW.
I mean I am for ethical porn, as another harmless thing in our society however, that is kinda ridiculous. You can get addicted to everything, and everything in life is about balance. The guys spending hours of their life, everyday watching porn do have an addiction, and they need to stop/cut back.
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WaterMage said:
well I don't live in a shit hole country where there is education is entangled with left wing poltics. I can have my views and don't face prejudice over it.
I bet.

WaterMage said:
Also the audacity to think you have to be left to have right views. I think you need to talk to more people.
I think you need some reading comprehension. Where did I argue that? For your information, I actually do have quite a few center/right wing views. I am saying that chalking up the approval of sexual imagery into some dumb culture war battle of the woke vs the unwoke is dumb and reductive.

thewiru said:
Porn addiction is literally not real, BTW.
I mean I am for ethical porn, as another harmless thing in our society however, that is kinda ridiculous. You can get addicted to everything, and everything in life is about balance. The guys spending hours of their life, everyday watching porn do have an addiction, and they need to stop/cut back.
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This is me being a bit pedantic, but I'm using the official meaning of "addiction", while what you're thinking of is "compulsion".
"Addiction" is for when someone does it to external chemicals.

What happens to porn is that people use it compulsively in order to cope with something.
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Western 2000s comedy movies, sitcoms to a certain point had either dialogue based or visual fan services. Anime can go further and some can have too many scenes but I mean it is pretty clear how much anime OVAs or tv standards of any era, any country all differ of expectations.

People's morals, interests, hobbies, what they are ok of themes/settings/characterisation and so on. It's up to them if they hate it or not.

If others are ok with it being explored in media and it's well conveyed or still fits standards if it has to for the platforms it's on makes sense, depends what platform and what rules but still.

I don't relate to characters, I don't care to, but to me anything can be explored and I'm fine with it. How they handle it. The visuals can be gross but I don't have to like it but respect it or understand what they were going for with it to showcase it.

If people can still tell the difference of fiction that's fine, if it's more then that well then yeah people balancing it. What is acting, what is attractive, what is this and that. Working things out.

Why they did fan service, how much creativity they used or how lazy they go with it. It all varies over the years, which shows, etc.

You can have Game of Thrones still following tv standards or ratings of the mature/adults only, that and compared to streaming, or about as allowed as high end ecchi anime which by tags isn't clear, by age ratings somewhat but not exactly).

Testament of a Sister New Devil's OVAs go way further then the anime/manga chapters do. That's on the studio's creativity there. It varies per show, per studio, what they feature and what they don't. How a series has material and all that.

Cultural differences, it's animated and not live action or what westerners think.

To me anime can go either way. The tags only go so far for anime compared to Hentai anyway.

If people don't read tags, descriptions or go oh this is popular or oh this youtuber said this, then they need to read the room.

If many of us pick up on tropes, we have self awareness or are more informed of structure in shows.

If it's a short form like Dogeza or Tawawa on Monday it's clear of it's point.

To me Inukai's Dog is nothing new but to normies, oh my what is that. Like ecchi has been doing this for years it's just underground to most people.

Interspecies Reviewers did it fair.

Many others have in the manga side of things I've read of character relationships, some with magic, others more particular weird relationships, all sorts. Depends what they are going for.

Hentai can be tame or it can be all in your face. It varies. Per era, what content, etc. Some are darker then others. Some go with their ideas to an extent or extreme.

Shows vary.

Isekai or action shounen yeah sure on occasion.

But major ecchi series make it well known it's the point of the show. If viewers aren't aware enough that's on them.

Sometimes for story, sometimes for jokes, sometimes for powering up, it varies.

Even OVAs can go further then the main series episodes, so the anime studios get way more creative sometimes.
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Sometimes it kill the mood... For example fan service in fire force is "forced" and one piece have unnecessary fan service... To put it in one word .. fan service is "Japanese woke culture
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@BilboBaggins365
This is me being a bit pedantic, but I'm using the official meaning of "addiction", while what you're thinking of is "compulsion".
"Addiction" is for when someone does it to external chemicals.

What happens to porn is that people use it compulsively in order to cope with something.
@thewiru If you don't mind me being pedantic too, you're right that "porn addiction" "doesn't exist". It's a controversial term used in some research papers and support organisations, but not recognised by the main medical organisations. However, "gambling addiction" is recognised as an addictive disorder instead of an impulse-control one in the DSM-5 despite not involving external chemicals.
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@thewiru If you don't mind me being pedantic too, you're right that "porn addiction" "doesn't exist". It's a controversial term used in some research papers and support organisations, but not recognised by the main medical organisations. However, "gambling addiction" is recognised as an addictive disorder instead of an impulse-control one in the DSM-5 despite not involving external chemicals.
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Fair enough, it makes it easier to convey a message.
I just have issues with it being used with porn in general, as research has shown that is more of a moral issue than a medical one: People who "feel they consume way too much" actually consume roughly the same amount as those who feel they're "on the average". it's just that they feel more guilty about it.
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Sometimes it kill the mood... For example fan service in fire force is "forced" and one piece have unnecessary fan service... To put it in one word .. fan service is "Japanese woke culture
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Fanservice is added because males are the demographics, and the mangakas likely enjoy TnA. I would support woke agenda if they were funding ecchi in media. Lol
Most men are horny and straight. Humanity loves lewd stuff in general, and that includes even fiction to women. I see ecchi shaming more like kink shaming except the kink's are just mainstream tastes.
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WaterMage said:
well I don't live in a shit hole country where there is education is entangled with left wing poltics. I can have my views and don't face prejudice over it.
I bet.

WaterMage said:
Also the audacity to think you have to be left to have right views. I think you need to talk to more people.
I think you need some reading comprehension. Where did I argue that? For your information, I actually do have quite a few center/right wing views. I am saying that chalking up the approval of sexual imagery into some dumb culture war battle of the woke vs the unwoke is dumb and reductive.

thewiru said:
Porn addiction is literally not real, BTW.
I mean I am for ethical porn, as another harmless thing in our society however, that is kinda ridiculous. You can get addicted to everything, and everything in life is about balance. The guys spending hours of their life, everyday watching porn do have an addiction, and they need to stop/cut back.
@BilboBaggins365 you did say "right" views. No politically motivated views are right btw left or right.

I always see people complain about fanservice and everything somewhat controversial anime are always from woke moralist implementing their "values" to shame the anime and their viewers.
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Fair enough, it makes it easier to convey a message.
I just have issues with it being used with porn in general, as research has shown that is more of a moral issue than a medical one: People who "feel they consume way too much" actually consume roughly the same amount as those who feel they're "on the average". it's just that they feel more guilty about it.
@thewiru I don't have much opinion on whether or not the porn problem should be considered an addiction or an impulse-control disorder. A problem is a problem, not matter the name. It just annoyed that you were being incorrect on your definition of addiction while being pedantic on it.

But if I may add my opinion, I think that being the average amount isn't always an indication of healthy amount. The average amount might impact them more than the average person. Or the average person is also consuming an unhealthy amount and they just don't recognise the problem. We need to look at the actual impact to define if it's just moral panic or a real problem.

I also notice that you only mentioned a comparison to people that "feel they're on the average". I didn't look at the research, but are those people really on the average in the first place?
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@BilboBaggins365 you did say "right" views. No politically motivated views are right btw left or right.

I always see people complain about fanservice and everything somewhat controversial anime are always from woke moralist implementing their "values" to shame the anime and their viewers.
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you did say "right" views. No politically motivated views are right btw left or right.
This is what I said

Yeah go talk to people in the real world. Go talk to those who actually have right views, IRL and see if this is just about being "woke". You would unironically have a better time on a ultra left wing college campus.
We were talking about how each political side of the aisle views sexual expression in media. And yeah, if you go and ask a lot of anti woke people, a lot of individuals who are incredibly religious, they would say they view it as a sin, and that it distracts you from doing your duty of having a proper family. That is what a lot of "anti woke people" actually believe. I talk to people who hold those views on the regular.

There are plenty of those on the left that are very pro sexual expression etc. They have various hang ups, some don't at all, some do view it as evil however, if I was a betting man, I guarantee you would find more in the anti woke side, that want a porn ban, than the left. I mean you can see this playing out in the USA lol. Even in a lot of other Western countries, this populist rhetoric is catching on. It's not always religious in nature either, plenty of men argue porn weakens you so, you shouldn't engage in for that reason.

Though again, I never said anything about other issues. Nor did I argue you should be "left wing" in all issues to be right. I didn't say anything about what was better. Frankly seeing political discourse in that light is frankly arrogant and narrowminded.

I only argued that left wing people are in fact more likely to defend sexual content than those on the right. Just because you have feminists who believe sexual content is exploitive or woke people that don't like how porn depicts things doesn't change the fact the right in a lot of countries is dominated by people who think it's straight up immoral. The right in most Western countries, at least aren't some ultra libertarians or whatever nonsense. They largely are either right wing populists or Social Conservatives and both aren't going to respond well to sexual content in media.
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@BilboBaggins365 true that religious people hate porn more. But be real in western society the number of religious society is decreasing at very fast rate. Maybe it's changing slowly but they aren't on internet or not vocal enough. And the only way I can see what western people think is through internet. Where all I see people mainly woke moralist go mad schizo everytime some women skins are shown.

Also I don't really care what those two clown political institution does with their laws. They try to show how different they are but when comes to discriminating against people's individual right to consume they are same.
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Why do people hate anime fanservice so much? Especially compared to other media.


lol Not often other forms of media entertainment pull stuff off like this...



Not that I am complaining about the above image, just even live action Japanese TV shows even from the 70s and 80s wouldn't just have the camera man typically laying on the floor directly right under a girls skirt while filming. lol

While shit like this doesn't personally bother me (it actually makes it hilarious when they pull this kind of random stuff off in Anime to me), I can totally understand why others would feel indifferent or even appalled about being exposed to having a school girls crotch shoved right in their face, even if it's just animated fiction. lol
@ColourWheel The example is terrible. It's from a hentai, and if they're making fun of their own clichés and stereotypes, exaggeration is obviously part of it.
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@thewiru I don't have much opinion on whether or not the porn problem should be considered an addiction or an impulse-control disorder. A problem is a problem, not matter the name. It just annoyed that you were being incorrect on your definition of addiction while being pedantic on it.

But if I may add my opinion, I think that being the average amount isn't always an indication of healthy amount. The average amount might impact them more than the average person. Or the average person is also consuming an unhealthy amount and they just don't recognise the problem. We need to look at the actual impact to define if it's just moral panic or a real problem.

I also notice that you only mentioned a comparison to people that "feel they're on the average". I didn't look at the research, but are those people really on the average in the first place?
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A problem is a problem, not matter the name. It just annoyed that you were being incorrect on your definition of addiction while being pedantic on it.

Hum, I guess you're correct, I'll stop doing this.
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I didn't look at the research, but are those people really on the average in the first place?

It's been a while since I saw the graphs, but yes, I think I recall that people who self-described as watching an average amount did indeed watch an average amount.
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Honestly, I hate both regular fanservice and anime fanservice. I just find sexual content in general to be uncomfortable and unnecessary most of the time. But when it comes to anime fanservice, I think the reason so many people have an even stronger reaction is because it usually involves minors, and that’s a huge issue.
@Wisecatmax07 ‘Involves minors’, such heavy words for what are just drawings lol.
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Prideful_Lion said:
No matter how many times this question gets asked, it's going to be the same answers. For the most part, people don't like fanservice in anime because of the age of the characters being sexualized. Some also find it distracting from the story, a cheap way for a series to acquire engagement, and/ or don't enjoy anything sex-related in general. Although I'm just providing the opinions of anti-fanservice people that I've seen.


So, some people dislike fanservice for a social justice cause (sex promotes the objectification of women), others hate it for literary elitism cause (sex is a vulgar and inferior art), and some hate it for spiritual reasons (sex is a vice that corrupts the mind). Doesn’t all of that just sound like pure bullshit from the antis crowd?
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Lewd fanservice can be great but a lot of times it's just poorly executed. Personally I think it's important to have standards for the lewd content you consume as well, simply putting tits and ass on the screen shouldn't be enough to excite you, it needs more flavor than that
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@ColourWheel The example is terrible. It's from a hentai, and if they're making fun of their own clichés and stereotypes, exaggeration is obviously part of it.
Gnza said:
@ColourWheel The example is terrible. It's from a hentai, and if they're making fun of their own clichés and stereotypes, exaggeration is obviously part of it.


Though this kind of stuff doesn't just happen in Hentai. I found the image you are criticizing when doing a random image search not even knowing it was even from some "Hentai" title. lol

The fact that the original image I posted is making fun of a pretty common cliché dealing with camera angles in Japanese Anime only proves it happens enough in this medium to even poke fun of it. lol









So even if you are criticizing the use of my original example, claiming it's because it's from some "Hentai" so you likely think it doesn't count, it still serves as an exemplary example in my opinion. lol

I was simply using a tame example to post previously where I could have literally posted any number of random images more graphic and explicit that I found doing a quick image search. Where it would seem like there are almost countless examples in Japanese Anime where the camera is practically shoved directly straight up against an animated fictional girls perineum. lol
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Gnza said:
@ColourWheel The example is terrible. It's from a hentai, and if they're making fun of their own clichés and stereotypes, exaggeration is obviously part of it.


Though this kind of stuff doesn't just happen in Hentai. I found the image you are criticizing when doing a random image search not even knowing it was even from some "Hentai" title. lol

The fact that the original image I posted is making fun of a pretty common cliché dealing with camera angles in Japanese Anime only proves it happens enough in this medium to even poke fun of it. lol









So even if you are criticizing the use of my original example, claiming it's because it's from some "Hentai" so you likely think it doesn't count, it still serves as an exemplary example in my opinion. lol

I was simply using a tame example to post previously where I could have literally posted any number of random images more graphic and explicit that I found doing a quick image search. Where it would seem like there are almost countless examples in Japanese Anime where the camera is practically shoved directly straight up against an animated fictional girls perineum. lol
ColourWheel said:
So even if you are criticizing the use of my original example, claiming it's because it's from some "Hentai" so you likely think it doesn't count, it still serves as an exemplary example in my opinion. lol

I mean, the other image you posted was from Mouse, an ecchi series.
Like, of course an ecchi series would have scenes like that, it's an ecchi series.
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ColourWheel said:
So even if you are criticizing the use of my original example, claiming it's because it's from some "Hentai" so you likely think it doesn't count, it still serves as an exemplary example in my opinion. lol

I mean, the other image you posted was from Mouse, an ecchi series.
Like, of course an ecchi series would have scenes like that, it's an ecchi series.
thewiru said:
I mean, the other image you posted was from Mouse, an ecchi series.
Like, of course an ecchi series would have scenes like that, it's an ecchi series.


That should be irrelevant since "Ecchi" is not genre label or theme even used in Japan. It's almost completely made up by western fandom. But I edited my post anyways and posted a few more examples from titles that are obviously not "Ecchi" or "Hentai". lol

1st it doesn't count because it's "hentai" then it doesn't count because it's "Ecchi"? Hope this gives you people more perspective...







All above images, NOT "Hentai", NOT "Ecchi". lol
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thewiru said:
I mean, the other image you posted was from Mouse, an ecchi series.
Like, of course an ecchi series would have scenes like that, it's an ecchi series.


That should be irrelevant since "Ecchi" is not genre label or theme even used in Japan. It's almost completely made up by western fandom. But I edited my post anyways and posted a few more examples from titles that are obviously not "Ecchi" or "Hentai". lol

1st it doesn't count because it's "hentai" then it doesn't count because it's "Ecchi"? Hope this gives you people more perspective...







All above images, NOT "Hentai", NOT "Ecchi". lol
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ColourWheel said:
That should be irrelevant since "Ecchi" is not genre label or theme even used in Japan. It's almost completely made up by western fandom.

"A rose by any other name"
They use the term "ero-anime" there, which encompasses both ecchi and hentai. My point stands: That's like watching porn and complaining that there's sex in it.
ColourWheel said:

Not that I am complaining about the above image, just even live action Japanese TV shows even from the 70s and 80s wouldn't just have the camera man typically laying on the floor directly right under a girls skirt while filming. lol

They would if they could, they couldn't because of legislation and network regulations.
Anime ecchi was mostly in OVAs and Movies for a reason, that only changed from 1997 onwards when the "short form late-light anime" became a thing.
What makes you think that live-action was exempt from this?
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@TheBlockernator More exploitative slasher movies, and a movie that's basically soft porn for bored moms.

If you want to understand why people complain about fanservice in anime, picture this:
Lord of the Ring, but Legolas is a bimbo, and Gandalf is a loli. Aragorn falls on Legolas' tits every 5 minutes, and every important action scene/discussion is peppered with awkward camera angles to peek under Gandalf's robes.

@Piromysl Raunchy comedies have already been mentionned, it's not what most people who diss fanservice have a problem with. Besides, South Park? We're losing the plot here.
Piromysl said:
lying that Japanese aiming fanservice at kids is rather disingenuous.

*coughs* It's not like Pokemon has that banned beach episode where James (yes, James) grows giant tits and tries to beat Misty in a bikini competition. Really fun episode, tho.
@Deathko Of course people do not have problem with "raunchy comedies" because those are not Japanese. You may have entire movie series all about teenagers banging eachothers, but anime is too much. Bish, please.
There is absolutely no denying that xenophobia is the factor here. All you need as a proof is to look at random anime announcement and see tourists saying xenophobic shit like "Japan is capitol or pedophilia" and other dumb stuff like this. (No, it is not true.)
It kinda reminds me of how people who defended "Cuties" still had a problem with anime/manga fanservice.
https://www.vice.com/en/article/cuties-netflix-review-controversial-marketing/
https://sybillapatrizia.com/VICE-The-Dark-Side-of-Manga

And why are we supposed to give leniency to South Park and other western shows, which also sexualizes little kids?

Deathko said:
*coughs* It's not like Pokemon has that banned beach episode where James (yes, James) grows giant tits and tries to beat Misty in a bikini competition. Really fun episode, tho.


I also forgot to mention that cheerypicking one scene from 30 years ago is also disingenuous.
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@ColourWheel
ColourWheel said:
That should be irrelevant since "Ecchi" is not genre label or theme even used in Japan. It's almost completely made up by western fandom.

"A rose by any other name"
They use the term "ero-anime" there, which encompasses both ecchi and hentai. My point stands: That's like watching porn and complaining that there's sex in it.
ColourWheel said:

Not that I am complaining about the above image, just even live action Japanese TV shows even from the 70s and 80s wouldn't just have the camera man typically laying on the floor directly right under a girls skirt while filming. lol

They would if they could, they couldn't because of legislation and network regulations.
Anime ecchi was mostly in OVAs and Movies for a reason, that only changed from 1997 onwards when the "short form late-light anime" became a thing.
What makes you think that live-action was exempt from this?
thewiru said:
"A rose by any other name"
They use the term "ero-anime" there, which encompasses both ecchi and hentai. My point stands: That's like watching porn and complaining that there's sex in it.


While they do have other classifications in Japan, the irony about this is "Mouse" isn't even classified as real "Ero-Anime" there. lol

Real "Ero-Anime" is typically much more graphic and more along the lines of how westerners view "Erotica" or even "Hentia". Examples such as; "La Blue Girl", "Cool Devices", "Bible Black", etc...

A kid in Japan would be totally allowed to buy a DVD copy of "Mouse" even being under the age of 13 there. Where typically one has to be at least around the age of 18 to buy anything classified there as real "Ero-Anime" in japan. I would freaken laugh my ass off if I ever saw some place in Japan carding some kid there if they were trying to buy contemporary Anime such as copies of title like "Vermeil in Gold", "The Legendary Hero Is Dead!", or even "Strike Witches: Road to Berlin" on Physical media. lol

thewiru said:
They would if they could, they couldn't because of legislation and network regulations.
Anime ecchi was mostly in OVAs and Movies for a reason, that only changed from 1997 onwards when the "short form late-light anime" became a thing.
What makes you think that live-action was exempt from this?


When did I ever claim contrary to this? I didn't, so not sure why you are even trying claim I ever did. lol

ColourWheel said:
Japanese TV shows even from the 70s and 80s wouldn't just have the camera man typically laying on the floor directly right under a girls skirt while filming.


This was simply originally just an observation I was pointing out, but even Live Japanese films and Live action Japanese general entertainment that goes straight to home video still generally doesn't have camera men laying directly right under a girls crotch while filming, unlike Japanese Anime (you would be hard pressed to even find just one actual example to the contrary). lol

Either way this has nothing to really do with legislation or network regulations either. Full upper female nudity was even featured in popular regular live action TV series aired nationally in Japan even dating back in the 70s such as "Za Supagaru" (ザ・スーパーガール The Super Girl). If live action filming crews wanted to they could totally get away laying on the ground filming directly up zooming in-between a girls legs, they just typically don't do that kind of thing in live action filming. lol
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@bingusmingus Well said. The fan service towards male characters is nowhere near as common or as oversexualized as female characters. As a woman, it can be kind of jarring to see those scenes in an otherwise not sexual anime and so many of the characters are minors.
@MysteriousSquash women can never pearl clutch about minors when they glaze series about shipping minors together or with older men like hxh, jjk, haikyuu, black butler, jojo, aot, mha, and so on.
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@BilboBaggins365 true that religious people hate porn more. But be real in western society the number of religious society is decreasing at very fast rate. Maybe it's changing slowly but they aren't on internet or not vocal enough. And the only way I can see what western people think is through internet. Where all I see people mainly woke moralist go mad schizo everytime some women skins are shown.

Also I don't really care what those two clown political institution does with their laws. They try to show how different they are but when comes to discriminating against people's individual right to consume they are same.
@WaterMage don't fall for the grifter rhetoric. simply see what feminists have tried to do to anime in the UN. anti anime bills are alsp bipartisan. the "satanic panic" had a large component of "we need to protect women" lol.
kvetching about fanservice in anime is worse than people who cried about gta or mk. nonetheless "sex positive feminism" has never applied to male hobbies or tastes.
sex negative feminism is no different than evangengelical puritanism when it comes to fanservice.
and no "just watch porn" isn't a good talking point because these sex positive fags don't think porn addiction is real.
fanservice men like = literally rape o algo
just see how much female goonerbait goes under the radar because no one gives a shit about female media the way women have male orientated shit rent free in their head.
a good example is how nobara took a break from the story and no one cared because the female fanbase for jjk were simply gooners for gojo or shipping underage boys with older men.
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thewiru said:
"A rose by any other name"
They use the term "ero-anime" there, which encompasses both ecchi and hentai. My point stands: That's like watching porn and complaining that there's sex in it.


While they do have other classifications in Japan, the irony about this is "Mouse" isn't even classified as real "Ero-Anime" there. lol

Real "Ero-Anime" is typically much more graphic and more along the lines of how westerners view "Erotica" or even "Hentia". Examples such as; "La Blue Girl", "Cool Devices", "Bible Black", etc...

A kid in Japan would be totally allowed to buy a DVD copy of "Mouse" even being under the age of 13 there. Where typically one has to be at least around the age of 18 to buy anything classified there as real "Ero-Anime" in japan. I would freaken laugh my ass off if I ever saw some place in Japan carding some kid there if they were trying to buy contemporary Anime such as copies of title like "Vermeil in Gold", "The Legendary Hero Is Dead!", or even "Strike Witches: Road to Berlin" on Physical media. lol

thewiru said:
They would if they could, they couldn't because of legislation and network regulations.
Anime ecchi was mostly in OVAs and Movies for a reason, that only changed from 1997 onwards when the "short form late-light anime" became a thing.
What makes you think that live-action was exempt from this?


When did I ever claim contrary to this? I didn't, so not sure why you are even trying claim I ever did. lol

ColourWheel said:
Japanese TV shows even from the 70s and 80s wouldn't just have the camera man typically laying on the floor directly right under a girls skirt while filming.


This was simply originally just an observation I was pointing out, but even Live Japanese films and Live action Japanese general entertainment that goes straight to home video still generally doesn't have camera men laying directly right under a girls crotch while filming, unlike Japanese Anime (you would be hard pressed to even find just one actual example to the contrary). lol

Either way this has nothing to really do with legislation or network regulations either. Full upper female nudity was even featured in popular regular live action TV series aired nationally in Japan even dating back in the 70s such as "Za Supagaru" (ザ・スーパーガール The Super Girl). If live action filming crews wanted to they could totally get away laying on the ground filming directly up zooming in-between a girls legs, they just typically don't do that kind of thing in live action filming. lol
ColourWheel said:
When did I ever claim contrary to this? I didn't, so not sure why you are even trying claim I ever did. lol

The wording made it sound like the reason you didn't have shots like those in the 70's and 80's were out of choice.
ColourWheel said:
Either way this has nothing to really do with legislation or network regulations. Full upper female nudity was even featured in popular regular live action TV series aired nationally in Japan even dating back in the 70s such as "Za Supagaru" (ザ・スーパーガール The Super Girl).

Those types of regulations were never very coherent or logical (Remember that, to this day, both pornography and prostitution are both legal and illegal at the same time in Japan).
Remember that at one point pubes were no-go, but you could import straight up CP from Denmark there.

But if we assume otherwise, then why were there not such shots?
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ColourWheel said:
When did I ever claim contrary to this? I didn't, so not sure why you are even trying claim I ever did. lol

The wording made it sound like the reason you didn't have shots like those in the 70's and 80's were out of choice.
ColourWheel said:
Either way this has nothing to really do with legislation or network regulations. Full upper female nudity was even featured in popular regular live action TV series aired nationally in Japan even dating back in the 70s such as "Za Supagaru" (ザ・スーパーガール The Super Girl).

Those types of regulations were never very coherent or logical (Remember that, to this day, both pornography and prostitution are both legal and illegal at the same time in Japan).
Remember that at one point pubes were no-go, but you could import straight up CP from Denmark there.

But if we assume otherwise, then why were there not such shots?
thewiru said:
But if we assume otherwise, then why were there not such shots?


No clue, but no one is preventing them from doing such things, they just typically do not ever do it in Japanese live action filming unless it's actual JAV.


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thewiru said:
But if we assume otherwise, then why were there not such shots?


No clue, but no one is preventing them from doing such things, they just typically do not ever do it in Japanese live action filming unless it's actual JAV.
@ColourWheel because animation created levity which mocap or live action can never get away with. it's why the desire to ground animation on reality is nonsense.
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therealnagora said:
Obviously the target audience isn't going to complain; or even notice that anything odd is happening.
You're getting REEEEALLY close to the point.
therealnagora said:
why it might cause people who have to live with it every day of their lives to roll their eyes and dismiss anime as slop for teenage boys.
...OK, they're free to do so?
therealnagora said:
They're the ones you need to ask
They're... free to just not watch anime if they don't want to.
@thewiru Cop outs galore. And off-topic too.
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@WaterMage don't fall for the grifter rhetoric. simply see what feminists have tried to do to anime in the UN. anti anime bills are alsp bipartisan. the "satanic panic" had a large component of "we need to protect women" lol.
kvetching about fanservice in anime is worse than people who cried about gta or mk. nonetheless "sex positive feminism" has never applied to male hobbies or tastes.
sex negative feminism is no different than evangengelical puritanism when it comes to fanservice.
and no "just watch porn" isn't a good talking point because these sex positive fags don't think porn addiction is real.
fanservice men like = literally rape o algo
just see how much female goonerbait goes under the radar because no one gives a shit about female media the way women have male orientated shit rent free in their head.
a good example is how nobara took a break from the story and no one cared because the female fanbase for jjk were simply gooners for gojo or shipping underage boys with older men.
@zoomerReviewer that's why I am taking about. The hypocrisy with them is unreal. Shipping underage boy and adult girl fine but not the opposite. Literally worst kind of people out there. Anything controversial "muh pEdOphiLiA" "muh women rights".
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