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Apr 29, 12:15 PM

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i hate fanservice in everything tbh. if someone wanted to see fanservice just go watch porn instead ๐Ÿ˜ญ
Apr 29, 12:18 PM

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sheesh, the anti crowd is at it again.
Apr 29, 12:21 PM

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@Deathko Does sexual content in non-explicit genred works really draw consumers in.. Or rather, draw them away.. The last show he worked on was a ratings disaster.. The one before it did so poorly that Netflix dropped it after one season..


giantpudding said:
@giantpudding Oooh that's why they keep the lolicon posts up lol

I don't know about @Mako995 specifically, but the MAL moderator team tends to have a pro (pedo)sexual bias in general.. Some users have accused the moderators of censoring their posts and even suspending them for having a critical view on lolicon/shotacon content..
this_shit_again said:
I don't know about @Mako995 specifically, but the MAL moderator team tends to have a pro (pedo)sexual bias in general.. Some users have accused the moderators of censoring their posts and even suspending them for having a critical view on lolicon/shotacon content..

I think it's mostly in the past? But yeah, it used to b really obvious. Around 2016 you could write long winded rants full of insults about women, blacks, muslims, jews, trans, homosexuals, etc and never even get warned, but god forbid you made a slightly caustic joke at lolicons' expense, it was straight to the gulag.
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Apr 29, 12:23 PM

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Deathko said:
the closest to naked tits in the whole show


How about episode 17 of the second season?



It just stroke me as odd to proclaim City Hunter as tits free, when it clearly isn't.

Fanservice is always welcome. In all genres. It makes every anime better than it otherwise would be.
And I'm always disappointed when I watch some anime with a reputation for fanservice (for example Mahou Shoujo ni Akogarete) and then there isn't even that much or good fanservice in it! Such a letdown.
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Deathko said:
the closest to naked tits in the whole show


How about episode 17 of the second season?



It just stroke me as odd to proclaim City Hunter as tits free, when it clearly isn't.

Fanservice is always welcome. In all genres. It makes every anime better than it otherwise would be.
And I'm always disappointed when I watch some anime with a reputation for fanservice (for example Mahou Shoujo ni Akogarete) and then there isn't even that much or good fanservice in it! Such a letdown.
@TransferUser Number of the ep RN, I need it for... some personal research.

"Fanservice is always welcome. In all genres. It makes every anime better than it otherwise would be."
Plain fucking no. Would The Thing be a better movie if it had random tits every 5 minutes? If your answer tothis question is "yes, of course", then I'm sorry for your taste.
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@thewiru Cop outs galore. And off-topic too.
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Totally on-topic, actually.
Your whole comment seemed like "threats": "Well, this change doesn't happen, I guess my group won't be watching it", and I just like "...OK? Go ahead".
The fact that you're using the term "cop out", as in "avoiding responsibility" already says much: What "responsibility" is there to be avoided? You talk of your position as it was the "natural" and "obvious" one that doesn't need to be backed up by arguments, but the opposite position as one that's needs to be justified 100% of the time.
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The reason i am watching anime is not to study female anatomy. I am not served with skin or bunching physics.

About other media : Vietnamese massage videos - there are tens of thousands of them with dorillions of views. In most of those videos the girls who give the massages are in some very tight or revealing dresses ! yet the 2 most watched videos are dudes on dudes street massages and the rest of the popular ones are trying to avoid showing female anatomy as much as possible.

In case you didn't get it : those are asmr videos where cute Asian girls in tight dresses give massages to (mostly) men who lie down and the most popular videos are the least fanservicy ones. Why can't anime take a hint ?
@Asangbanne Tbf I don't see how Vietnamese massage videos and Japanese animation relate.

As someone who enjoys both Japanese and Korean ASMR, they serve an entirely different purpose (iyashikei) from anime as entertainment. The girls aren't even on-screen most of the time.

Even anime itself has a spectrum broad enough to cater to iyashikei, ecchi fan service or completely different types such as series packed with action or hyper-emotional romance that have zero or next-to-zero fan service.

Asangbanne said:
Why can't anime take a hint ?

Anime doesn't need to change, though it is changing -and fast- partly due to western influence and censorship such as this, to erase its culture. Some anime freedom that once made its charm might disappear soon due to cancel culture, and the world will only have tears left.
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This post is gonna be locked soon :(

I have that feeling.

I hope i'm wrong.

I just wanted to have a genuine discussion.
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People are free to like and dislike whatever they choose. My question is why do antis have to be so vocal about it? Do you stand in the ice cream isle and berate people who buy flavors you don't like?
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People are free to like and dislike whatever they choose. My question is why do antis have to be so vocal about it? Do you stand in the ice cream isle and berate people who buy flavors you don't like?
@camay1997 Thread: "why do people who don't like random fanservice..."

"HOW DARE THEY SPEAK THEIR MINDS!?"

I dunno, don't ask us then, I'm not the one making threads about it ๐Ÿ˜ญ๐Ÿ˜ญ๐Ÿ˜ญ
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As much as I groan whenever a new thread like this drops. [and I've been active for only half-a-year XD] - It's entertaining as heck.

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@Deathko Does sexual content in non-explicit genred works really draw consumers in.. Or rather, draw them away.. The last show he worked on was a ratings disaster.. The one before it did so poorly that Netflix dropped it after one season..


giantpudding said:
@giantpudding Oooh that's why they keep the lolicon posts up lol

I don't know about @Mako995 specifically, but the MAL moderator team tends to have a pro (pedo)sexual bias in general.. Some users have accused the moderators of censoring their posts and even suspending them for having a critical view on lolicon/shotacon content..
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Dandadan was a big hit with gooners. Fanservice scares away some while drawing in others. It filters out certain people that are best kept out. In my book.
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@therealnagora
Totally on-topic, actually.
Your whole comment seemed like "threats": "Well, this change doesn't happen, I guess my group won't be watching it", and I just like "...OK? Go ahead".
The fact that you're using the term "cop out", as in "avoiding responsibility" already says much: What "responsibility" is there to be avoided? You talk of your position as it was the "natural" and "obvious" one that doesn't need to be backed up by arguments, but the opposite position as one that's needs to be justified 100% of the time.
@thewiru Your reading comprehension is not good. Your reading of my post is completely deluded and you seem not to have understood that the topic is why do some people hate fanservice. It was not "should people hate fanservice?" or "should people that don't like things shut up about it and just avoid those things?"

You have projected all sorts of views onto what I said which were not there. And you placed me into a group which I specifically said I was not a member of. You even put quotes around words that didn't appear in my post in an effort to construct a strawman that you can virtue signal by defeating with your irrelevant wittering.

Your asinine posts are a constant irritation on this site but even for you this has been a particularly worthless contribution.
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@Sports_Friday well I am not in for political extremism specially on the left. If thats your fair enough but I just don't agree with you and I am not in for moral virtue signalling nor woke policies. Also there's a thing called religionsim and different culture for different lands so same values doesn't hold everywhere. So trying to shame them for liking things is alright.

And I don't really care for what people on twitter think it's just that for common people introducing something new with negetive wrong perception is not good nah. Like a random people who have no idea sees Mushoku Tensie is being called Diddy Tensie which is wrong and false makes me uncomfortable as fan. Not like it diminishies my liking anyway. But it's that that.
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well I am not in for political extremism specially on the left. If thats your fair enough but I just don't agree with you and I am not in for moral virtue signalling nor woke policies.


My first problem with this is how vague this is, what is "woke policies" and "political extremism" on the left it doesn't mean anything if it's not defined it's an amorphous culture war buzz word. As far as I know as someone that lives in the US and follows politics, the "extreme" left wants to give people healthcare and the extreme right wants to extrajudicially disappear people. There is just no comparison.

WaterMage said:
Also there's a thing called religionsim and different culture for different lands so same values doesn't hold everywhere. So trying to shame them for liking things is alright.


WaterMage said:
Like a random people who have no idea sees Mushoku Tensie is being called Diddy Tensie which is wrong and false makes me uncomfortable as fan.


These are literally contradictory statements, what am I missing? Am i misinterpreting you or something? Is shaming people good or bad? You can shame them for being woke but they cant call your anime "diddy tensei"? "Diddy Tensei" is also low key funny but it's also just not that serious like Mushoku Tensei is clearly still very popular even outside of japan. It's like you said it doesn't even diminish people's liking that much, most people would have already made up their minds about something so polarizing.

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If thats your fair enough but I just don't agree with you and I am not in for moral virtue signalling nor woke policies.


WaterMage said:
And I don't really care for what people on twitter think


These feel like two more contradicting statements considering you said earlier in the thread you are not from the US but clearly get your information on US politics from culture warriors on twitter/other social media. Like not to be rude my man but it is just factually wrong, there is no woke policy it's not a thing, if you think there is then be more specific in your complaints and give concrete examples.
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@thewiru Your reading comprehension is not good. Your reading of my post is completely deluded and you seem not to have understood that the topic is why do some people hate fanservice. It was not "should people hate fanservice?" or "should people that don't like things shut up about it and just avoid those things?"

You have projected all sorts of views onto what I said which were not there. And you placed me into a group which I specifically said I was not a member of. You even put quotes around words that didn't appear in my post in an effort to construct a strawman that you can virtue signal by defeating with your irrelevant wittering.

Your asinine posts are a constant irritation on this site but even for you this has been a particularly worthless contribution.
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You have projected all sorts of views onto what I said which were not there. And you placed me into a group which I specifically said I was not a member of. You even put quotes around words that didn't appear in my post in an effort to construct a strawman that you can virtue signal by defeating with your irrelevant wittering.

Well, I'm so sorry that earlier in that same day I saw people on Twitter using the same type of argument, with the same wording, that think the way I wrote, and thought you were using the same logic.
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Your asinine posts are a constant irritation on this site but even for you this has been a particularly worthless contribution.

I'm sorry that you feel this way.
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So, let's just accept this as a fatality and indulge, while never supporting the 40% trying to genuinely move the bar higher than the belt, gotcha.


You seem to be under the impression that Anime would be better off without sexual fanservice, seemingly stating it ruins the story when you have yet to even lay out even one specific example. Either way that's simply just a personal opinion and not some fact either. As if Anime would simply lacked any fanservice that some how it would make it inherently better, since you seem to be claiming it some how distracts from what you are obviously more interested in which seems to be just a story. Where really lack of fanservice maybe better for a person like you, without you even realizing that you are just an extreme minority of such an opinion to begin with. If fanservice in Anime was truly actually dragging this industry down, then I think producers and studios would have stopped having such things featured in Japanese Anime decades ago. lol

Basically, there was never some arbitrary bar to begin with. Japanese Anime has always been more than just about having some serious story to display. People simply just expect way too much from a medium that was never originally suppose to be that serious to begin with. You want just a good serious story, then go just read books exclusively instead. Then you won't have to ever deal with some fictional animated characters crotch being randomly shoved up in your face, unlike what could be expected when randomly selecting any Japanese Anime to watch blindly. lol
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So, let's just accept this as a fatality and indulge, while never supporting the 40% trying to genuinely move the bar higher than the belt, gotcha.


You seem to be under the impression that Anime would be better off without sexual fanservice, seemingly stating it ruins the story when you have yet to even lay out even one specific example. Either way that's simply just a personal opinion and not some fact either. As if Anime would simply lacked any fanservice that some how it would make it inherently better, since you seem to be claiming it some how distracts from what you are obviously more interested in which seems to be just a story. Where really lack of fanservice maybe better for a person like you, without you even realizing that you are just an extreme minority of such an opinion to begin with. If fanservice in Anime was truly actually dragging this industry down, then I think producers and studios would have stopped having such things featured in Japanese Anime decades ago. lol

Basically, there was never some arbitrary bar to begin with. Japanese Anime has always been more than just about having some serious story to display. People simply just expect way too much from a medium that was never originally suppose to be that serious to begin with. You want just a good serious story, then go just read books exclusively instead. Then you won't have to ever deal with some fictional animated characters crotch being randomly shoved up in your face, unlike what could be expected when randomly selecting any Japanese Anime to watch blindly. lol
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f fanservice in Anime was truly actually dragging this industry down, then I think producers and studios would have stopped featuring such a thing in Japanese Anime decades ago. lol

To be fair, but I'm probably not the best to talk about this since my experience with 2020s shows is limited, it seems to me that sexual fanservice is on the decline in mainstream shows. Frieren, Dungeon Meshi, and the bits I saw from Demon Slayer seemed relatively light on the typical fanservice found in earlier mainstream shows.
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How often do you converse with people about Western shows/movies vs anime?

People always complain about things they don't like. If a show they were hoping was going to be more serious and had an interesting sounding plot ends up treating the women as sex objects obviously they're going to be annoyed by it. I think it's mostly just a case of "I was hoping this wasn't porn". There are ecchi shows where it's very obvious what the intent is and those deter people not into that from even starting them, the issue is when a show doesn't seem like it's about that but then has ecchi in it randomly that makes them mad. If that happens less with Western media maybe they're just better at making it clear to people that lewd stuff will occur?
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Some anime I can bare watching them like Ikkitousen series. I can dig it. Unfortunately, it weirdly doesn’t work for me when I watch Senran Kagura. Senran Kagura killed any meaning in ninja aspect for me.

What else?…… Anyway, some ecchi are fine. Some can’t stomach them. Preferences, preferences.
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As much as I groan whenever a new thread like this drops. [and I've been active for only half-a-year XD] - It's entertaining as heck.

@Szczelajo same lol. It's almost a shame those threads get locked.

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I just wanted to have a genuine discussion.

I'd love that too, but people always get heated about this and start throwing insults at each other.
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Hol shit I just took a nap in my bath, wasn't expecting to come back and find a fucking warzone >.>
@Deathko

Joechip was so salty he went through the trouble find my discord server to spam trans porn in it, lol...
Anyway, before people accuse me of the usual "ya got pink geegles" strawman, I must also admit that modern shows as Frieren are a step in the right direction. I don't hate everything. I am in fact pleased that it won popularity. I do hope your perception is accurate and sexual fanservice is in a serious state of decline.

Though, I remain cautiously optimistic, in a world where franchises like Mushoku Tensei and Made in abyss still make figures. And those are TV series, not OAVs confined to the video market for a fringe of unsavory weirdos...


Basically, there was never some arbitrary bar to begin with.


There is, since it's what it takes to make you more likely to care about a show. You see Mushoku Tensei, above? It was originally created as a fan novel. If we let the bizarros take the wheel, this is what the medium is going to delve into...
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@Lawgun Heavenly delusion flopped sorry
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Heavenly delusion


Sadly it didn't flop enough for me personally.
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f fanservice in Anime was truly actually dragging this industry down, then I think producers and studios would have stopped featuring such a thing in Japanese Anime decades ago. lol

To be fair, but I'm probably not the best to talk about this since my experience with 2020s shows is limited, it seems to me that sexual fanservice is on the decline in mainstream shows. Frieren, Dungeon Meshi, and the bits I saw from Demon Slayer seemed relatively light on the typical fanservice found in earlier mainstream shows.
Deathko said:
To be fair, but I'm probably not the best to talk about this since my experience with 2020s shows is limited, it seems to me that sexual fanservice is on the decline in mainstream shows. Frieren, Dungeon Meshi, and the bits I saw from Demon Slayer seemed relatively light on the typical fanservice found in earlier mainstream shows.


lol One must be blind if they think something like even Frieren lacks any type of sexualized fanservice. Points to the loli miniskirt demon in complete sexual fetish wear. lol Choice of costumes totally counts as fanservice and even choice of character designs. The author could have easily stayed clear of portraying any characters as female loli demons. lol



It's just some fanservice is more tolerable to others and only bitch and whine if it's shit they don't like to see. lol
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This post is gonna be locked soon :(

I have that feeling.

I hope i'm wrong.

I just wanted to have a genuine discussion.
@TheBlockernator

What discussion did you expect? I can only angrily rant about how some pandering stuff should have stayed confined in the video market. And I am annoyed precisely because the gooner folks still play victim instead of trying to repent. I must remind you again: shows with weird fetishes like Chainsaw Man and Made in Abyss are still madly popular. Gooners are definitively NOT the minority Zarutaku deceptively makes it out to be. On the contrary, they're the new gatekeepers in town and they gaslight us, anti, for not having the same vision of how artful the medium should strive to be.

Are you expecting me to smile and have me to confess that I am proud to be an anime fan after venting here?
Because you know this will not happen.
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@ColourWheel I did say "light". Besides... I dunno, it's not a goddamn latex suit or something like that. I've been in parts of the world where the average woman shows more skin than that in summer, it's not "fanservice"

At least it didn't have a god damn imouto like SAO or BakeMonogatari
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Deathko said:
To be fair, but I'm probably not the best to talk about this since my experience with 2020s shows is limited, it seems to me that sexual fanservice is on the decline in mainstream shows. Frieren, Dungeon Meshi, and the bits I saw from Demon Slayer seemed relatively light on the typical fanservice found in earlier mainstream shows.


lol One must be blind if they think something like even Frieren lacks any type of sexualized fanservice. Points to the loli miniskirt demon in complete sexual fetish wear. lol Choice of costumes totally counts as fanservice and even choice of character designs. The author could have easily stayed clear of portraying any characters as female loli demons. lol



It's just some fanservice is more tolerable to others and only bitch and whine if it's shit they don't like to see. lol
@ColourWheel

As I said above, I hate fanservice but I bear with it when it doesn't derail the plot too much. The example you provide illustrate the point I talked about above. I like Frieren in spite of it, not because it has it. Let's say I consider it a minor point of contention, than when you take an innocuous story premise and center it around sexual fetishes, like too many web novels and light novels tend to do.
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extreme" left wants to give people healthcare and the extreme right wants to extrajudicially disappear people. There is just no comparison.

If that what you really think then obviously your opinions are HEAVILY scewed. Also only in America something like Universal healthcare is a politically divisive thing. And obviously this isn't a buzz word. All the bads can't be from one side. Like allowing criminals to ramapent on streets.
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there is no woke policy it's not a thing, if you think there is then be more specific in your complaints and give concrete examples.

No gender politics with 1000 variety each day right wing propaganda. Allowing men into women sports very justifiable. Extreme feminism of shaming men and racist discrimination (against whites) are all hoax. Obviously some parts are maybe inflated in social media for outside world but some definitely is real I really don't want to get into these here. But it certainly exist.
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These are literally contradictory statements, what am I missing? Am i misinterpreting you or something? Is shaming people good or bad? You can shame them for being woke but

Well people can have their opinions even it's wrong and annoying but if you say meaningless wrong stuff they should also get criticized. Where am I wrong? Also why woke is shame if it doesn't exist according to you.
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@ColourWheel

As I said above, I hate fanservice but I bear with it when it doesn't derail the plot too much. The example you provide illustrate the point I talked about above. I like Frieren in spite of it, not because it has it. Let's say I consider it a minor point of contention, than when you take an innocuous story premise and center it around sexual fetishes, like too many web novels and light novels tend to do.
@sorcery first time I saw someone complaining about Aura uniform. A get up which is not very uncommon for demons in fantasy genre.
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@ColourWheel

As I said above, I hate fanservice but I bear with it when it doesn't derail the plot too much. The example you provide illustrate the point I talked about above. I like Frieren in spite of it, not because it has it. Let's say I consider it a minor point of contention, than when you take an innocuous story premise and center it around sexual fetishes, like too many web novels and light novels tend to do.
@sorcery first time I saw someone complaining about Aura uniform. A get up which is not very uncommon for demons in fantasy genre.
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@Deathko

Joechip was so salty he went through the trouble find my discord server to spam trans porn in it, lol...
Anyway, before people accuse me of the usual "ya got pink geegles" strawman, I must also admit that modern shows as Frieren are a step in the right direction. I don't hate everything. I am in fact pleased that it won popularity. I do hope your perception is accurate and sexual fanservice is in a serious state of decline.

Though, I remain cautiously optimistic, in a world where franchises like Mushoku Tensei and Made in abyss still make figures. And those are TV series, not OAVs confined to the video market for a fringe of unsavory weirdos...


Basically, there was never some arbitrary bar to begin with.


There is, since it's what it takes to make you more likely to care about a show. You see Mushoku Tensei, above? It was originally created as a fan novel. If we let the bizarros take the wheel, this is what the medium is going to delve into...
@sorcery Frieren got popular since the main character is a loli, for someone who has an anti-loli stance, its ironic you call it a "step in the right direction". And before you ask, I'm not attracted to lolis, you just assumed someone likes fanservice is a lolicon by default while sometimes its true, sometimes its not like several people who like fanservice are into mature characters for example. I don't care what people do with stuff which doesn't exist like any normal person. They are not doing anything illegal. I think you should protect real kids instead of an unrealistic Anime girl which you don't follow your own worlds since you said you don't mind if a highschool girl look like an adult, you know if you want to protect "underage" characters, it doesn't matter if the character look older than their age since they are still minors on canon. You are contradicting youself. Several 18 yo characters on canon don't look like their age and they are not even lolis. And lolis has nothing to do with age considering you Frieren is a loli. Who are you to tell people what should like in fiction especially in fanservice and what not?

You attack Anime fans for their fictional tastes, you're the same as the people who claimed video games promote violence from the 2000s. Anime is freedom of speech and Anime fans and gamers were so attacked in the same way.
ToumaTachibanaApr 29, 2:22 PM
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@sorcery Frieren got popular since the main character is a loli, for someone who has an anti-loli stance, its ironic you call it a "step in the right direction". And before you ask, I'm not attracted to lolis, you just assumed someone likes fanservice is a lolicon by default while sometimes its true, sometimes its not like several people who like fanservice are into mature characters for example. I don't care what people do with stuff which doesn't exist like any normal person. They are not doing anything illegal. I think you should protect real kids instead of an unrealistic Anime girl which you don't follow your own worlds since you said you don't mind if a highschool girl look like an adult, you know if you want to protect "underage" characters, it doesn't matter if the character look older than their age since they are still minors on canon. You are contradicting youself. Several 18 yo characters on canon don't look like their age and they are not even lolis. And lolis has nothing to do with age considering you Frieren is a loli. Who are you to tell people what should like in fiction especially in fanservice and what not?

You attack Anime fans for their fictional tastes, you're the same as the people who claimed video games promote violence from the 2000s. Anime is freedom of speech and Anime fans and gamers were so attacked in the same way.
@Nurguburu Yo wtf Frieren clearly looks in her early 20s

I am so confused at some of the arguments in this thread.
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@sorcery first time I saw someone complaining about Aura uniform. A get up which is not very uncommon for demons in fantasy genre.
@WaterMage This person will have a melt down if they see 1 inch of a woman's skin
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This post is gonna be locked soon :(

I see no reason for further discussions anyway, so mods should just lock it.

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I just wanted to have a genuine discussion.

Yeah, not gonna happen in these kinds of thread. lol
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@Nurguburu Yo wtf Frieren clearly looks in her early 20s

I am so confused at some of the arguments in this thread.
@Deathko Like I said, lolis has nothing to do with "age". It means young-looking girl characters and is associated with moe, or affection for fictional characters. Maybe Frieren doesn't act childish but she's a loli in appearance. Tatsumaki from OPM and Tsukuyomi Komoe from Toaru Majutsu no Index are also lolis. Tatsumaki has a childish personality along with her appearance and Tsukuyomi Komoe smokes and drink beer. Tatsumaki is the face of OPM fanservice along with her sister.
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@sorcery Frieren got popular since the main character is a loli, for someone who has an anti-loli stance, its ironic you call it a "step in the right direction". And before you ask, I'm not attracted to lolis, you just assumed someone likes fanservice is a lolicon by default while sometimes its true, sometimes its not like several people who like fanservice are into mature characters for example. I don't care what people do with stuff which doesn't exist like any normal person. They are not doing anything illegal. I think you should protect real kids instead of an unrealistic Anime girl which you don't follow your own worlds since you said you don't mind if a highschool girl look like an adult, you know if you want to protect "underage" characters, it doesn't matter if the character look older than their age since they are still minors on canon. You are contradicting youself. Several 18 yo characters on canon don't look like their age and they are not even lolis. And lolis has nothing to do with age considering you Frieren is a loli. Who are you to tell people what should like in fiction especially in fanservice and what not?

You attack Anime fans for their fictional tastes, you're the same as the people who claimed video games promote violence from the 2000s. Anime is freedom of speech and Anime fans and gamers were so attacked in the same way.
@Nurguburu

Then again, as many dishonest soft brains like you tend to do, you misconstrue my arguments to give your side the good role. There's no anime fan like a closet pedo playing victim. That's for sure. I don't have inherent problems with kids and lolis being in my entertainment. In fact, one of my all time favorite OAV series, Utsunomiko, has a loli goddess in it.

That being said, it's not what draws me in, it's where the plot goes and what the anime makes with it. Because of guys like you, I am forced to tolerate what I hate to appreciate more palatable aspects. I have problems when these characters are there because people need them and look forward to see them sexualized. The premise of story centered around the point of view of an elf seeing her companions slowly wither and die is where it's at for me. I woudn't give a fuck is Frieren looked like an Obaasan, as long as the story has kernel of interest in it besides groin pats.

I give you a F for the effort.


@WaterMage

I am not venting about this specifically. I know it's as old as sliced bread. It doesn't mean I have to love or like it.
As I said, I can tolerate fanservicey costume design. And in a way, this one is not such a thematically jarring sight for demons, to be honest. After all, they also embody concepts in relation to temptation of the flesh.
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Number of the ep RN

As I said in the line above the pictures: episode 17 of the second season. The timestamp is 7:39:125.

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Would The Thing be a better movie if it had random tits every 5 minutes?

Since when is there an anime adaptation of The Thing? You should probably work on your reading comprehension a bit...
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Summary of this thread:

"You like japanese raunchy comedies so you must like fanservice in your random battle shonen show!" -...
"Japan doesn't make raunchy comedies!" -make up your mind ffs
"There's a dress in Frieren, and Frieren looks 12yo!" -wa?
"Jurassic Park would be a better movie if the raptors had melons" -(yes this is hyperbole, but it's a funny one, cut me some slack)
"You don't like sexual fanservice in your random battle shonen because you're RACIST!1!1!1!" -yes, obviously
"People who enjoy fanservice are basically PDD" -holy cow...



4 pages of bickering about sexual comedies and fucking 50 shades of grey (lmao). Meanwhile nobody's willing to discuss valid criticism like what @zombiepegasus raised above, besides "fanservice makes everything better (citation needed)" and a really dumb meme posted by @thewiru

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Deathko said:
Number of the ep RN

As I said in the line above the pictures: episode 17 of the second season. The timestamp is 7:39:125.

Deathko said:
Would The Thing be a better movie if it had random tits every 5 minutes?

Since when is there an anime adaptation of The Thing? You should probably work on your reading comprehension a bit...
@TransferUser Woops, I got distracted by Saeko (^:

But why would anime be different from live action? I'm genuinely confused. If random tits makes LoGH better, surely it can make Blade Runner better too, no? I'm very confused at the logic behind random titties = good for anime, but not for western movies.

Are you saying anime has no literary value whatsoever so it needs some eye candy to lure weak minds?

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Take this from someone with DxD as one of their favourite shows unironically. Fanservice can be good. It can be great even. The hatred of fanservice comes from it being in places where it really shouldn't be. E.g. a show filled with "lolis" shouldn't have fanservice tbh. A show tagged ecchi and filled with busty women? Who cares, the person watching should know what they're getting into.

To simplify, fanservice is fine, I personally don't mind it. People who *do* mind it usually only dislike it for being flat out inappropriate or being done in a way that makes no sense (breaks the tension for example or sexualises a character that looks young) and to be honest - I dislike it in those particular instances sometimes as well. UNLESS I've clicked on a show with awareness that it's an ecchi/erotica/hentai or it's pretty clear there will be fanservice in which case naturally no right to complain there.
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@Deathko

Joechip was so salty he went through the trouble find my discord server to spam trans porn in it, lol...
Anyway, before people accuse me of the usual "ya got pink geegles" strawman, I must also admit that modern shows as Frieren are a step in the right direction. I don't hate everything. I am in fact pleased that it won popularity. I do hope your perception is accurate and sexual fanservice is in a serious state of decline.

Though, I remain cautiously optimistic, in a world where franchises like Mushoku Tensei and Made in abyss still make figures. And those are TV series, not OAVs confined to the video market for a fringe of unsavory weirdos...


Basically, there was never some arbitrary bar to begin with.


There is, since it's what it takes to make you more likely to care about a show. You see Mushoku Tensei, above? It was originally created as a fan novel. If we let the bizarros take the wheel, this is what the medium is going to delve into...
@sorcery yeah yeah Mushoku Tensie baaaaddd it has no right to exist how can two consulting people have seegs it hurt me so much. Let's blame rhe smaller one and throw pedophilia where it doesn't even apply.


Also wtf is a fan novel don't make things up due your blind hatred. Only bizaro is you going mad after seeing skin of women.
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If that happens less with Western media maybe they're just better at making it clear to people that lewd stuff will occur?

Sounds like anime with fan service need a content warning like Goblin Slayer :P
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@Deathko Like I said, lolis has nothing to do with "age". It means young-looking girl characters and is associated with moe, or affection for fictional characters. Maybe Frieren doesn't act childish but she's a loli in appearance. Tatsumaki from OPM and Tsukuyomi Komoe from Toaru Majutsu no Index are also lolis. Tatsumaki has a childish personality along with her appearance and Tsukuyomi Komoe smokes and drink beer. Tatsumaki is the face of OPM fanservice along with her sister.
@Nurguburu Tatsumaki is a loli, Frieren CLEARLY isn't. Looking younger than your age =/= loli. Looking underage = loli. A 50yo woman who looks like a 30yo woman is not a loli.

Neither the origin of the term, nor its common usage match your definition.

Also, off-topic but the correct, patrician pick for OPM isn't Fubuki/Tatsumaki, it's Super Sado (^:


@TheNoo preach. That's too much common sense for this thread tho, nobody's going to answer your post T____T
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@sorcery yeah yeah Mushoku Tensie baaaaddd it has no right to exist how can two consulting people have seegs it hurt me so much. Let's blame rhe smaller one and throw pedophilia where it doesn't even apply.


Also wtf is a fan novel don't make things up due your blind hatred. Only bizaro is you going mad after seeing skin of women.
@WaterMage


Pathetic. You don't even known that Mushoku Tensei was originally published in Shลsetsuka ni narล by a chronic masturbator like yourself. Sad, really.
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@WaterMage Yo, better to ignore sorcery to avoid this to escalate more. All his comments are insults and baiting. I reported all his comments to staff already. I think everything I have to said about fanservice was already said from my part.
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Summary of this thread:

"You like japanese raunchy comedies so you must like fanservice in your random battle shonen show!" -...
"Japan doesn't make raunchy comedies!" -make up your mind ffs
"There's a dress in Frieren, and Frieren looks 12yo!" -wa?
"Jurassic Park would be a better movie if the raptors had melons" -(yes this is hyperbole, but it's a funny one, cut me some slack)
"You don't like sexual fanservice in your random battle shonen because you're RACIST!1!1!1!" -yes, obviously
"People who enjoy fanservice are basically PDD" -holy cow...



4 pages of bickering about sexual comedies and fucking 50 shades of grey (lmao). Meanwhile nobody's willing to discuss valid criticism like what @zombiepegasus raised above, besides "fanservice makes everything better (citation needed)" and a really dumb meme posted by @thewiru

MAL. MAL never changes



Deathko said:
and a really dumb meme posted by @thewiru

I posted like 4 different dumb memes, you're gonna need to be a bit more specific.
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Pathetic. You don't even known that Mushoku Tensei was originally published in Shลsetsuka ni narล by a chronic masturbator like yourself. Sad, really.
@sorcery that site is about web novel and nothing to do with porn get your info correct than throwing insults. Its still active to this day and getting anime adaptations which probably makes you cry to sleep everyday.

Also thinking Mushoku Tensie is goon material is most idiotic thing said on this shitshow of a thread.
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@Nurguburu Tatsumaki is a loli, Frieren CLEARLY isn't. Looking younger than your age =/= loli. Looking underage = loli. A 50yo woman who looks like a 30yo woman is not a loli.

Neither the origin of the term, nor its common usage match your definition.

Also, off-topic but the correct, patrician pick for OPM isn't Fubuki/Tatsumaki, it's Super Sado (^:


@TheNoo preach. That's too much common sense for this thread tho, nobody's going to answer your post T____T
@Deathko lmfao, yeah that's a good point. These types of threads are usually the worst kinds to join in on when I really think about it, there's always at least one person who will argue the other side no matter how clear your opinions is so I doubt I'll come back to this one XD
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@WaterMage Yo, better to ignore sorcery to avoid this to escalate more. All his comments are insults and baiting. I reported all his comments to staff already. I think everything I have to said about fanservice was already said from my part.
@Nurguburu nah I don't take baits that easily but I am so shocked to see each time some one being confidently so worng.
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People hate fanservice specifically in anime because they're racists who hate Japanese people. They don't mind when Westerners have fanservice in their TV because they only think it's bad when Japanese people do it.
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@sorcery that site is about web novel and nothing to do with porn get your info correct than throwing insults. Its still active to this day and getting anime adaptations which probably makes you cry to sleep everyday.

Also thinking Mushoku Tensie is goon material is most idiotic thing said on this shitshow of a thread.
@WaterMage


Such disingenuous serpents you are. Crooking my words to win an argument. Where have I said Shลsetsuka ni narล is a website specifically created for that? Nowhere. Instead, my exact point was saying that popular fan novels like Moshuko Tensei are the reflections of what you are: fringe weirdos enabling and feeding fetishistic tastelessnesss.

The cream of the cream is hiding behind the mods. As I said, there's no anime fan like a closet pedo playing victim. And the fact that authorities are on your side absolutely confirms my point that you are the now effective gatekeepers in town.
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